Re: [Gendergap] List of lists of women
Yes, that is a possible approach John. But I was speaking about comparing all the biographies between different Wikipedias and discover missing females bios in each one. By the way, I'm not interested any more in developing tools or statistics for this movement. I recently discovered that WikiWomenCamp[1] is going to exclude men from participating. I unsubscribe from this mailing list. Good luck. [1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiWomenCamp 2012/2/12 John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 3:44 AM, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote: .. By the way, I'm interested in searching for missing female biographies comparing Wikipedia biographical corpora in an automated way and make some lists of red links. I will think about that. I've made an attempt at doing this by using a PD Australian book that included female bios. Of the 21 female bios I could find, 10 didnt appear to have have a WP bio. ;-( https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Index_talk:Johns%27s_notable_Australians_1908.djvu I see two women at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Missing_encyclopedia_articles/DNB,_people_prominent_in_ODNB and many more in the pages at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:DNBFooter The full text of DNB is available on Wikisource: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:WikiProject_DNB/Djvu_files -- John Vandenberg ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] List of lists of women
It is a good work Sarah. But I don't understand why those lists where women are separated from men are needed. I think that the only reason is that there are persons who would need to read only about female chessplayers, female ..., etc. But in the same fashion, there are persons who need to read only about male chessplayers. We can see as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Lists_of_men is less populated than http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Lists_of_women Probably you would say that the male version of that lists are the regular one. But we can see that the female astronauts that are included here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_female_astronauts are also here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_astronauts_by_name (see ♀ symbol), but there is no a List of male astronauts. If we are going to take this approach, we have to start lists for both gender, separated and joined. By the way, I'm interested in searching for missing female biographies comparing Wikipedia biographical corpora in an automated way and make some lists of red links. I will think about that. 2012/2/8 Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com Hi everyone, A few of us came together on the WikiWomen's History Month page to create a List of Lists of Women on English Wikipedia. Plenty of red links throughout the lists included, and yes everything is covered involving women! Even women pirates... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lists_of_women I know we'd love to see a similar collection in other languages, and use them as tools for figuring out what other lists need to be created, but also what articles need to be made. Also, please take a look at our English WikiWomen's History Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiWomen's_History_Month We have more events that have been added, so please get involved, online or offline! There are also discussions on the talk page. Looking forward to seeing some great things happen in March, Sarah -- *Sarah Stierch* *Wikimedia Foundation Community Fellow* Support the sharing of free knowledge around the world: donate todayhttps://donate.wikimedia.org/ ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Statistics about gender gap
Here is the accumulate by project family http://toolserver.org/~emijrp/wmcharts/wmchart0013.html Wikiquote, Wikisource and Wikiversity are the winners. 2012/2/2 John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 11:05 AM, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/2/2 Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com ... What else are people seeing in their chosen languages that might be interesting? Anything surprising? No. Only a few examples where women are 15-25% of edits some days but in small Wikipedias or sister projects. They are not representative. I think (hope..) you might find a high female participate rate even if you aggregate across all of the Wikisource projects. -- John Vandenberg ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] [cultural-partners] WikiWomenCamp: National perspectives on women and the movement (x-posted, apologies)
2012/2/1 Béria Lima beria.l...@wikimedia.pt I can't answer for her, but I believe she was only gathering data. Since she isn't Brazilian or Indian or Dutch, maybe might be difficult for her to know what is excatly relevant or not. The problem here is that you musn't try to fix a bias or imbalance (in this case: gender gap) when you don't understand the problem features and the details of every human group. I put in my list correct Brazil's and Portugal's entry, but I still didn't find time to do so, but please - If anyone has the time, do it for your country (and for mine if you have spare time) :-) _ *Béria Lima* Wikimedia Portugal http://wikimedia.pt (351) 963 953 042 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 1 February 2012 13:51, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: I suspect people have been hesitant to remove the information because it's not clear why it was added in the first place; on the whole, Wikimedians are content collectors rather than content removers, unless they are very comfortable that the information being removed is of no significant value or is actively harmful. Having a quick glance, I see comments like no women were elected to Arbcom for projects that don't have Arbcoms, and references to no women on projects that don't exist for that language group. As the majority of the data was completed by Laura (thanks for all your research!), perhaps she could help the list to understand what the intention was in including some of this information. Risker/Anne Risker/Anne On 1 February 2012 10:41, Béria Lima beria.l...@wikimedia.pt wrote: Again, I would like to point that meta is a wiki and all of us have usernames there. So I would suggest all of you to *be bold *and correct what is not correct in your opinion. _ *Béria Lima* Wikimedia Portugal http://wikimedia.pt (351) 963 953 042 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 1 February 2012 13:18, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com wrote: Laura - Thanks for asking for more contributions. I was wondering what was going on, since the project has seemed a bit quiet lately! Glad to know it's catching steam again. I made some edits a few months ago to the US section. (See comments below) On 2/1/12 5:18 AM, Lodewijk wrote: Perhaps it would be helpful if you could add some explanation why you are collecting this information, what you want to make clear. Because as I explained before to you privately (and I see nothing has changed) at least for the Netherlands the stats that have been put up are almost hilarious. Lots of percentages, but every Dutch person will be able to tell you that many of them are of no meaning (Ripuarian is not a language spoken at any significant level in the Netherlands, Zealandic is considered mainly a dialect and has 1 admin, of course there are no Dutch women in the enwiki arbcom, because to my best knowledge there are no Dutch people in there at all at this moment, and I would wonder why there are no Dutch female admins on the Portuguese Wikinews...) I am not sure if it is just me, but reading this page ( http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiWomenCamp/FAQ/Perspectives/Netherlands ) I would almost think that this is a parody of something - I can't tell if it is the same in other countries. I've also been highly confused by these statistics. It confused me so much that I acted boldy and removed them from the United States section. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiWomenCamp/FAQ/Perspectives#United_States When I started to see information on how there were no Portuguese women involved in Algerian Wikipedia I was like why would there be? and is this information here? I rewrote the majority of the section to just discuss women's roles in the United States - at WMF, as fellows, as researchers, as Wikimedians and active editors, etc. I created a list of people who are active US Wikimedians who are known to be women (didn't want to make assumptions about anyone) and some of the cool things they've been doing. Of course, these are limited to people I know, so I hope others are added (as someone did me). I also removed the US related on Wikipedia in regards to the subject matter (which was added back). I wasn't really sure why netball would be featured because it's not popular in America at all, so to me it doesn't really tell us anything, but it's not popular. Same with roller derby. (But other women's sports aren't discussed?) So I guess if someone has interest in discussing American women's sports, this area has room for expansion, or IMHO removal. And the list of popular biographies makes sense - Amy Winehouse
Re: [Gendergap] [cultural-partners] WikiWomenCamp: National perspectives on women and the movement (x-posted, apologies)
No. You just want to write a book with no rigor. 2012/2/1 Béria Lima beria.l...@wikimedia.pt We are not trying to fix gender gap here (here means: WWCamp ) Emijrp. _ *Béria Lima* Wikimedia Portugal http://wikimedia.pt (351) 963 953 042 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 1 February 2012 18:03, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/2/1 Béria Lima beria.l...@wikimedia.pt I can't answer for her, but I believe she was only gathering data. Since she isn't Brazilian or Indian or Dutch, maybe might be difficult for her to know what is excatly relevant or not. The problem here is that you musn't try to fix a bias or imbalance (in this case: gender gap) when you don't understand the problem features and the details of every human group. I put in my list correct Brazil's and Portugal's entry, but I still didn't find time to do so, but please - If anyone has the time, do it for your country (and for mine if you have spare time) :-) _ *Béria Lima* Wikimedia Portugal http://wikimedia.pt (351) 963 953 042 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 1 February 2012 13:51, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: I suspect people have been hesitant to remove the information because it's not clear why it was added in the first place; on the whole, Wikimedians are content collectors rather than content removers, unless they are very comfortable that the information being removed is of no significant value or is actively harmful. Having a quick glance, I see comments like no women were elected to Arbcom for projects that don't have Arbcoms, and references to no women on projects that don't exist for that language group. As the majority of the data was completed by Laura (thanks for all your research!), perhaps she could help the list to understand what the intention was in including some of this information. Risker/Anne Risker/Anne On 1 February 2012 10:41, Béria Lima beria.l...@wikimedia.pt wrote: Again, I would like to point that meta is a wiki and all of us have usernames there. So I would suggest all of you to *be bold *and correct what is not correct in your opinion. _ *Béria Lima* Wikimedia Portugal http://wikimedia.pt (351) 963 953 042 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos* On 1 February 2012 13:18, Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.comwrote: Laura - Thanks for asking for more contributions. I was wondering what was going on, since the project has seemed a bit quiet lately! Glad to know it's catching steam again. I made some edits a few months ago to the US section. (See comments below) On 2/1/12 5:18 AM, Lodewijk wrote: Perhaps it would be helpful if you could add some explanation why you are collecting this information, what you want to make clear. Because as I explained before to you privately (and I see nothing has changed) at least for the Netherlands the stats that have been put up are almost hilarious. Lots of percentages, but every Dutch person will be able to tell you that many of them are of no meaning (Ripuarian is not a language spoken at any significant level in the Netherlands, Zealandic is considered mainly a dialect and has 1 admin, of course there are no Dutch women in the enwiki arbcom, because to my best knowledge there are no Dutch people in there at all at this moment, and I would wonder why there are no Dutch female admins on the Portuguese Wikinews...) I am not sure if it is just me, but reading this page ( http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiWomenCamp/FAQ/Perspectives/Netherlands ) I would almost think that this is a parody of something - I can't tell if it is the same in other countries. I've also been highly confused by these statistics. It confused me so much that I acted boldy and removed them from the United States section. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiWomenCamp/FAQ/Perspectives#United_States When I started to see information on how there were no Portuguese women involved in Algerian Wikipedia I was like why would there be? and is this information here? I rewrote the majority of the section to just discuss women's roles in the United States - at WMF, as fellows, as researchers, as Wikimedians and active editors, etc. I created a list of people who are active US Wikimedians who are known to be women (didn't want to make assumptions about anyone) and some of the cool things they've been doing. Of course, these are limited to people I know, so I hope others are added (as someone did me). I
[Gendergap] Statistics about gender gap
Hi all; Is there any up-to-date statistical tools monitoring gender gap? I have started this basic one[1], and I'm thinking about an analysis of male-female biographies ratio between Wikipedias. Suggestions and links to tools are welcome. Regards, emijrp [1] http://toolserver.org/~emijrp/wmcharts/wmchart0010.html ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] Statistics about gender gap
2012/2/2 Sarah Stierch sarah.stie...@gmail.com On 2/1/12 5:39 PM, Sarah wrote: That's very interesting, thank you (and somewhat depressing). Sarah ___ Yeah, it just shows that we need to take action. We need to take action if a low number of women means a bias in encyclopedic contents. Not just because numbers are low. That is why I want to count how many female biographies there are and other measures to discover if it exists a bias in content. Imagine if every Wikimedia contributor on this list, took a few hours and invited a friend, colleague or family member to contribute to a Project? We have to invite men and women. Every editor is welcome. By the way, you can't invite 1000 women that a day after leave because they don't understand how to edit (usability) or other reason. First, you have to understand why women leave. When you solves that, every woman that arrives, will continue editing forever. You won't need to invite them. As someone who has done a survey that just continued to solidify the depressing state of women and Wikimedia, and thinks about it probably more than a person should...I just get sick of it at this point. I want to see increase, damnit. :( No more same old bad news. Well, it may be sad, but we have to study this from a calm side. I think it's funny to see that WikiNews has no women. Even though *This Month in GLAM* and *The Signpost* both have contributors. Also interesting that Commons has a steady amount of women who make edits. I think I could probably name them all off the top of my head. OrI wonder how many of those women are new contributors who upload an image and then never come back (since you have to have an account to upload). What else are people seeing in their chosen languages that might be interesting? Anything surprising? No. Only a few examples where women are 15-25% of edits some days but in small Wikipedias or sister projects. They are not representative. Anyplace on Wiki where women really do dominate in this data? No. -Sarah Regards, Emily -- *Sarah Stierch* *Wikimedia Foundation Community Fellow* Support the sharing of free knowledge around the world: donate todayhttps://donate.wikimedia.org/ ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] A Spanish book from 1845...
Yes, I will contact Spanish wikisource. Regards. 2012/1/7 Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com Hi Emijrp, Looks like a great find! It seems to me that transcribing these volumes onto Wikisource would be a great step toward getting them used as sources for Wikipedia articles. In case you (or somebody else on the list) are not familiar with Wikisource, it's basically a place where you can: * start with scanned books (like those you linked below) * transcribe them (using a combination of Optical Character Recognition and manual transcription) * match up the transcribed pages with the scanned images (for an example, see: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page%3AEnglish_Caricaturists_and_Graphic_Humourists_of_the_nineteenth_century.djvu/56) The advantages are many, but here are a few: * Once a book is transcribed, it's easy to use a tool like translate.google.com to get a rough translation into another language * It's possible to use wikilinks to Wikipedia articles, Wiktionary definitioins, etc. to add context * It's possible to make small readability/usability improvements on the original, like neatly aligned bullet lists, linkable footnotes, etc. So, it might be interesting to start transcribing one of these volumes to Wikisource as a first step toward using them in Wikipedia. There are some very sophisticated tools that automate a lot of the process; I'm not a great expert myself, but if you'd like, I could see if there's a Spanish speaker who could guide you through the process of uploading these to Spanish Wikisource. -Pete [[User:Peteforsyth]] on English Wikipedia, Wikisource, etc. On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 5:39 AM, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote: ...with biographies about females, 3 volumes: - Volume 1: http://books.google.es/books?id=zhxCuOr0gRECpg=PR3hl=es - Volume 2: http://books.google.es/books?id=VBZt5xlN4L0Cprintsec=frontcoverhl=essource=gbs_ge_summary_rcad=0 - Volume 3: http://books.google.es/books?id=ETgBQAAJprintsec=frontcoverhl=essource=gbs_ge_summary_rcad=0 Perhaps it deserves an entry here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:MISSING ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] [Foundation-l] Fundraising is for men
2011/12/1 Carol Moore carolmoor...@verizon.net On 11/29/2011 5:19 PM, emijrp wrote: So, the first step would be to try and figure out if women are visiting the site and not editing or just not visiting at all, before saying nonsense about sexism and Wikipedia community. Fundraising from women is an interesting topic. You may think comments about sexism and the Wikipedia community are nonsense, but guess what. Women who take a lot of sexist nonsense AT wikipedia sure aren't going to donate TO wikipedia, are they? Also, since women in general are busier with work AND family responsibilities, so often the women who have the most time to edit are unemployed, disabled, retired or otherwise on limited incomes. [citation needed] Furthermore, editing Wikipedia only requires 30 minutes a day/week. I'm sure all women waste more time watching TV. But watching TV is funnier for most the people. In the other hand, looks like women in all ages have time to waste in Facebook http://www.kenburbary.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Image1_thumb3.png And gender balance is fifty-fifty. Finally, if the reason for the low female editors proportion is time, how can Wikipedia solve that? Are we going to pay to female editors for their time? I can think of a few. Besides a ten spot here and a ten spot there, we can't give large amounts of money. But there are women with big bucks out there giving lots to women-friendly organizations left and right. We must make Wikipedia women friendly to get their money. You are wrong. To see donation banners and to donate only reading is required, not editing. Are you going to say that only poor women read Wikipedia? By they way, making Wikipedia women friendly? What does that mean? Is that a new politically correct science? Better, make Wikipedia friendly to disabled people, the great forgotten excluded people group. For example, blind people can't sign up because of Wikipedia captcha (there is no sound captcha https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4845). That is a real barrier which Wikimedia Foundation have to solve putting resources. Where is the accessibility mailing list? Accessibility is a recommendation by W3C since 1997, and we are in the top ten websites, as WMF likes to boast. Anyway, putting down one of the main concerns of this list as nonsense is not helpful. Sure. For your information, this mailing list is a insult to the real excluded people. Thanks. ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
Re: [Gendergap] [Foundation-l] Fundraising is for men
2011/11/29 Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com On 29 November 2011 21:51, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote: Dear all; We have heard many times that most Wikipedians are male, but have you heard about gender and fundraising? Some data from a 2010 study[1] and a 2011 German study[2] (question 20th of 22). People have said that Wikipedia is a sexist place which excludes women to edit. Looks like women neither are interested on editing nor funding free knowledge. Is WMF working to increase female donors just like female editors? I think the first step would be to try and figure out if women are visiting the site and not donating or just not visiting at all. So, the first step would be to try and figure out if women are visiting the site and not editing or just not visiting at all, before saying nonsense about sexism and Wikipedia community. You would also want to make sure there really is a significant imbalance and that it's not just that men are more likely to fill out the survey form. That affects to all surveys, again. Looks like people only care about surveys which say what they want to read. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundatio...@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
