[RESULT][VOTE] Release of Apache Tephra-0.9.0-incubating [rc1]

[Poorna Chandra]

Hi all,

After being open for over 72 hours, the vote for releasing Apache Tephra
0.9.0-incubating passed with 5 binding +1s and no 0 or -1.

Binding +1s:
James Taylor
Alan Gates
Lars Hofhansl
Justin Mclean
Henry Saputra

As suggested by Justin I have added appendix to the LICENSE file for the
next release.

Thanks to everyone who voted!

Thanks,
Poorna.


On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 10:14 PM, Henry Saputra 
wrote:

> Signature files look good
> Hash files look good
> NOTICE file looks good
> LICENSE file looks good
> DISCLAIMER file exists
> Source compiled
> No executables in source artiafcts
>
> +1 (Binding)
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 10:44 PM, Poorna Chandra 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > This is a call for a vote on releasing Apache Tephra 0.9.0-incubating,
> > release candidate 1. This is the second release of Tephra.
> >
> > Apache Tephra community has voted and approved the release.
> >
> > Vote thread:
> > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-tephra-
> > dev/201609.mbox/%3CCAC9o21R4KR-e%3DmzCsefvokpQWykOXTTnWt%
> > 2BZwt0CjiZz1MsqAg%40mail.gmail.com%3E
> >
> > Result thread:
> > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-tephra-
> > dev/201609.mbox/%3CCAC9o21Q9RJqDAo9n_AJWKaPm9_9iM4JoOL0bK9uh2thhS5Jn1g%
> > 40mail.gmail.com%3E
> >
> > The source tarball, including signatures, digests, etc. can be found at:
> > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/tephra/0.9.
> > 0-incubating-rc1/src
> >
> > The tag to be voted upon is v0.9.0-incubating:
> > https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=incubator-tephra.
> > git;a=shortlog;h=refs/tags/v0.9.0-incubating
> >
> > The release hash is db235cdfa0d40d4e31bcd19ab350e9961719c79e:
> > https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=incubator-tephra.
> git;a=commit;h=
> > db235cdfa0d40d4e31bcd19ab350e9961719c79e
> >
> > The Nexus Staging URL:
> > https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachetephra-1004
> >
> > Release artifacts are signed with the following key:
> > http://people.apache.org/keys/committer/poorna
> >
> > KEYS file available:
> > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/tephra/KEYS
> >
> > For information about the contents of this release, see:
> > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/tephra/0.9.
> > 0-incubating-rc1/CHANGES.txt
> >
> > Please vote on releasing this package as Apache Tephra 0.9.0-incubating
> >
> > The vote will be open for 72 hours.
> >
> > [ ] +1 Release this package as Apache Tephra 0.9.0-incubating
> > [ ] +0 no opinion
> > [ ] -1 Do not release this package because ...
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Poorna.
> >
>

Re: [VOTE] Release of Apache Tephra-0.9.0-incubating [rc1]

[Henry Saputra]

Signature files look good
Hash files look good
NOTICE file looks good
LICENSE file looks good
DISCLAIMER file exists
Source compiled
No executables in source artiafcts

+1 (Binding)


On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 10:44 PM, Poorna Chandra  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> This is a call for a vote on releasing Apache Tephra 0.9.0-incubating,
> release candidate 1. This is the second release of Tephra.
>
> Apache Tephra community has voted and approved the release.
>
> Vote thread:
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-tephra-
> dev/201609.mbox/%3CCAC9o21R4KR-e%3DmzCsefvokpQWykOXTTnWt%
> 2BZwt0CjiZz1MsqAg%40mail.gmail.com%3E
>
> Result thread:
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-tephra-
> dev/201609.mbox/%3CCAC9o21Q9RJqDAo9n_AJWKaPm9_9iM4JoOL0bK9uh2thhS5Jn1g%
> 40mail.gmail.com%3E
>
> The source tarball, including signatures, digests, etc. can be found at:
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/tephra/0.9.
> 0-incubating-rc1/src
>
> The tag to be voted upon is v0.9.0-incubating:
> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=incubator-tephra.
> git;a=shortlog;h=refs/tags/v0.9.0-incubating
>
> The release hash is db235cdfa0d40d4e31bcd19ab350e9961719c79e:
> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=incubator-tephra.git;a=commit;h=
> db235cdfa0d40d4e31bcd19ab350e9961719c79e
>
> The Nexus Staging URL:
> https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachetephra-1004
>
> Release artifacts are signed with the following key:
> http://people.apache.org/keys/committer/poorna
>
> KEYS file available:
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/tephra/KEYS
>
> For information about the contents of this release, see:
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/tephra/0.9.
> 0-incubating-rc1/CHANGES.txt
>
> Please vote on releasing this package as Apache Tephra 0.9.0-incubating
>
> The vote will be open for 72 hours.
>
> [ ] +1 Release this package as Apache Tephra 0.9.0-incubating
> [ ] +0 no opinion
> [ ] -1 Do not release this package because ...
>
> Thanks,
> Poorna.
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

[Mark Struberg]

Yes. Current state 14/ 303000 imported.
LieGrue,
Strub

> Am 19.09.2016 um 00:03 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga 
> :
> 
> This is the applicable repo to be cloning:
> 
> hg clone http://hg.netbeans.org/main/
> 
> See the related FAQ on the NetBeans Wiki:
> 
> http://wiki.netbeans.org/DevFaqAccessSourcesUsingMercurial
> 
> Gj
> 
> On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 11:42 PM, Mark Struberg 
> wrote:
> 
>> quick update.
>> 
>> 
>> hg cloned it locally and now batch importing over here.
>> The hg clone took me 3 hours and the import is now running for 4 hours.
>> 
>> Maybe that is the problem why github failed.
>> 
>> I'm now at 89000/303000 in the import step.
>> 
>> If I succeed then I'll push it to github.
>> 
>> LieGrue,
>> strub
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sunday, 18 September 2016, 18:24, Mark Struberg
>>  wrote:
 btw, I tried to import the netbeans-core repo from hg into github and
>> it failed.
>>> Now trying to manually import it...
>>> 
>>> Did anybody else do that?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> LieGrue,
>>> strub
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sunday, 18 September 2016, 18:22, Dennis E. Hamilton
>>>  wrote:
> +1
 
 
>  -Original Message-
>  From: Greg Stein [mailto:gst...@gmail.com]
>  Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 00:46
>  To: general@incubator.apache.org
>  Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal
> 
>  On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 9:54 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <
>  geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Can we be specific about what info is needed, or what further
>>> details
>> specifically, before going into a vote for acceptance of the
>>> proposal?
>  My
>> concern is that each question we answer is answered by further
>  questions to
>> answer. Maybe we could do a phone conference with the NetBeans
>> infrastructure side together with the Apache infrastructure side.
>  Maybe we
>> can work through the infrastructure challenges during incubation.
> 
>  Generally speaking, Apache would prefer to slow things down and use a
>  mailing list, rather than to have a phone conference. The email is
>  documented for everybody to review, to participate, and to record for
>  future examination. A phone conference probably wouldn't resolve
>>> many
>  questions/concerns anyway, simply because much of that comes from
>  considered thought. A phone call is "THINK NOW. RESPOND. OOPS.
>>> MISSED
>  YOUR
>  CHANCE." ... Mailing lists give people time to think.
> 
>  There is no rush, no dates, no deadlines at the ASF. It may take
>>> longer
>  via
>  mailing lists, but it means that the larger community can be
>> involved,
>  can
>  review, and can be archived.
> 
>  If one question turns into three ... well, that is deliberation. As
>  David
>  noted else-thread, we rarely get such a large, well-established
>  community
>  arriving at the Incubator. That necessitates a bit more inquiry than
>  most
>  other entrants receive. Layers of the onion get peeled, and new
>  questions
>  arrive. More layers unpeeled ...
> 
>  And to point to the elephant in the room: I bet there are people
>  concerned
>  given the recent misadventures of AOO [and Oracle's donations of
>>> these
>  two
>  projects]. Personally, I think it is hogwash, and don't believe
>>> any
>  concern
>  applies here, as the communities and the userbase are very different.
>  BUT,
>  temporally, there is a conflation of the donations of these two
>  projects. I
>  suspect that will cause a few people to slow down and ask more
>  questions.
> 
>  Cheers,
>  -g
 
 
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Re: [VOTE] MADlib v1.9.1-rc2

[John D. Ament]

+1 binding

While the release contents look odd, they're not wrong.  We'll need to sort
out the rest via legal prior to graduation.

I would appreciate if the podling did start tracking a project specific
goal of resolving the BSD licensing switch over to Apache License.

John

On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 12:40 AM Frank McQuillan 
wrote:

> Hello Incubator PMC,
>
> The Apache MADlib (incubating) community has voted on and approved the
> proposal to release MADlib v1.9.1-rc2.
>
> The voting result is available at:
>
> https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-madlib-dev/201609.mbox/%3CCAKBQfzT0pw1%3DP-KWuZVsAwORdHdz792WvUtR-DbM%2BH8EkiZdSA%40mail.gmail.com%3E
>
> This is the 3rd release for Apache MADlib (incubating).
>
> The main goals of this release are:
> * new modules (1-class SVM for novelty detection, prediction metrics,
> sessionization, pivoting)
> * improvements to existing modules (class weights in SVM, overlapping
> patterns in path)
> * performance improvements (path)
> * platform updates (PostgreSQL 9.5 and 9.6)
> * bug fixes
> * doc improvements
>
> For more information including release notes, please see:
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MADLIB/MADlib+1.9.1
>
> To run check RAT, please do:
>
> $mvn verify
>
> first to get the correct RAT output.  Look inside of pom.xml to see the
> classes of exceptions we're managing there for RAT.
>
> We're voting on the source (tag):
> rc/1.9.1-rc2
>
> Source Files:
>
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/madlib/1.9.1-incubating-rc2
>
> Commit to be voted upon:
>
> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=incubator-madlib.git;a=commit;h=e1c99c1538dc124c9b323ba76382ba2af05c6892
>
> KEYS file containing PGP Keys we use to sign the release:
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/madlib/KEYS
>
> Please vote:
>
> [ ] +1  approve
> [ ] +0  no opinion
> [ ] -1  disapprove (and reason why)
>
> *** The vote will be open until Friday Sept 9 at 6 pm Pacific time. ***
>

Re: [VOTE] Release of Apache Tephra-0.9.0-incubating [rc1]

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

+1 binding

I checked:
- file name include incubating
- signature and hash correct
- LICENSE has minor issue
- NOTICE is good
- no unexpected binaries in file
- all source files has ASF header
- can compile from source

 LICENSE is missing appendix please fix for next release.

Thanks,
Justin

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Re: [VOTE] MADlib v1.9.1-rc2

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

+1 binding

I assume the header/licensing situation will be sorted out before graduation.

I checked:
- artefact contains incubating
- signatures and hashes correct
- LICENSE good - although short form (pointer to license text is preferred).
- NOTICE ok
- Not sure if all files have correct headers 700 files are missing headers and 
some of those have changed since last release. Only 35 have ASF headers.
- no unexpended binary files
- can compile from source.

Minor issue NOTICE probably has unneeded copyright line from BSD license. i.e. 
"Portions Copyright (c) 2010-2013 by Regents of the University of California. 
All rights reserved.”

Thanks,
Justin


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Re: [VOTE] Release of Apache Tephra-0.9.0-incubating [rc1]

[larsh]

+1
- Built from v0.9.0-incubating tag.- ran tests. All pass.- all good
-- Lars

  From: Poorna Chandra 
 To: general@incubator.apache.org 
 Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 10:44 PM
 Subject: [VOTE] Release of Apache Tephra-0.9.0-incubating [rc1]
   
Hi all,

This is a call for a vote on releasing Apache Tephra 0.9.0-incubating,
release candidate 1. This is the second release of Tephra.

Apache Tephra community has voted and approved the release.

Vote thread:
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-tephra-dev/201609.mbox/%3CCAC9o21R4KR-e%3DmzCsefvokpQWykOXTTnWt%2BZwt0CjiZz1MsqAg%40mail.gmail.com%3E

Result thread:
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-tephra-dev/201609.mbox/%3CCAC9o21Q9RJqDAo9n_AJWKaPm9_9iM4JoOL0bK9uh2thhS5Jn1g%40mail.gmail.com%3E

The source tarball, including signatures, digests, etc. can be found at:
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/tephra/0.9.0-incubating-rc1/src

The tag to be voted upon is v0.9.0-incubating:
https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=incubator-tephra.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/tags/v0.9.0-incubating

The release hash is db235cdfa0d40d4e31bcd19ab350e9961719c79e:
https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=incubator-tephra.git;a=commit;h=db235cdfa0d40d4e31bcd19ab350e9961719c79e

The Nexus Staging URL:
https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachetephra-1004

Release artifacts are signed with the following key:
http://people.apache.org/keys/committer/poorna

KEYS file available:
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/tephra/KEYS

For information about the contents of this release, see:
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/tephra/0.9.0-incubating-rc1/CHANGES.txt

Please vote on releasing this package as Apache Tephra 0.9.0-incubating

The vote will be open for 72 hours.

[ ] +1 Release this package as Apache Tephra 0.9.0-incubating
[ ] +0 no opinion
[ ] -1 Do not release this package because ...

Thanks,
Poorna.


   

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

[Geertjan Wielenga]

This is the applicable repo to be cloning:

hg clone http://hg.netbeans.org/main/

See the related FAQ on the NetBeans Wiki:

http://wiki.netbeans.org/DevFaqAccessSourcesUsingMercurial

Gj

On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 11:42 PM, Mark Struberg 
wrote:

> quick update.
>
>
> hg cloned it locally and now batch importing over here.
> The hg clone took me 3 hours and the import is now running for 4 hours.
>
> Maybe that is the problem why github failed.
>
> I'm now at 89000/303000 in the import step.
>
> If I succeed then I'll push it to github.
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sunday, 18 September 2016, 18:24, Mark Struberg
>  wrote:
> > > btw, I tried to import the netbeans-core repo from hg into github and
> it failed.
> > Now trying to manually import it...
> >
> > Did anybody else do that?
> >
> >
> > LieGrue,
> > strub
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>  On Sunday, 18 September 2016, 18:22, Dennis E. Hamilton
> >  wrote:
> >>  > +1
> >>
> >>
> >>>   -Original Message-
> >>>   From: Greg Stein [mailto:gst...@gmail.com]
> >>>   Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 00:46
> >>>   To: general@incubator.apache.org
> >>>   Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal
> >>>
> >>>   On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 9:54 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> >>>   geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>   > Hi all,
> >>>   >
> >>>   > Can we be specific about what info is needed, or what further
> > details
> >>>   > specifically, before going into a vote for acceptance of the
> > proposal?
> >>>   My
> >>>   > concern is that each question we answer is answered by further
> >>>   questions to
> >>>   > answer. Maybe we could do a phone conference with the NetBeans
> >>>   > infrastructure side together with the Apache infrastructure side.
> >>>   Maybe we
> >>>   > can work through the infrastructure challenges during incubation.
> >>>   >
> >>>
> >>>   Generally speaking, Apache would prefer to slow things down and use a
> >>>   mailing list, rather than to have a phone conference. The email is
> >>>   documented for everybody to review, to participate, and to record for
> >>>   future examination. A phone conference probably wouldn't resolve
> > many
> >>>   questions/concerns anyway, simply because much of that comes from
> >>>   considered thought. A phone call is "THINK NOW. RESPOND. OOPS.
> > MISSED
> >>>   YOUR
> >>>   CHANCE." ... Mailing lists give people time to think.
> >>>
> >>>   There is no rush, no dates, no deadlines at the ASF. It may take
> > longer
> >>>   via
> >>>   mailing lists, but it means that the larger community can be
> involved,
> >>>   can
> >>>   review, and can be archived.
> >>>
> >>>   If one question turns into three ... well, that is deliberation. As
> >>>   David
> >>>   noted else-thread, we rarely get such a large, well-established
> >>>   community
> >>>   arriving at the Incubator. That necessitates a bit more inquiry than
> >>>   most
> >>>   other entrants receive. Layers of the onion get peeled, and new
> >>>   questions
> >>>   arrive. More layers unpeeled ...
> >>>
> >>>   And to point to the elephant in the room: I bet there are people
> >>>   concerned
> >>>   given the recent misadventures of AOO [and Oracle's donations of
> > these
> >>>   two
> >>>   projects]. Personally, I think it is hogwash, and don't believe
> > any
> >>>   concern
> >>>   applies here, as the communities and the userbase are very different.
> >>>   BUT,
> >>>   temporally, there is a conflation of the donations of these two
> >>>   projects. I
> >>>   suspect that will cause a few people to slow down and ask more
> >>>   questions.
> >>>
> >>>   Cheers,
> >>>   -g
> >>
> >>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

[Mark Struberg]

quick update. 


hg cloned it locally and now batch importing over here.
The hg clone took me 3 hours and the import is now running for 4 hours. 

Maybe that is the problem why github failed.

I'm now at 89000/303000 in the import step. 

If I succeed then I'll push it to github.

LieGrue,
strub





> On Sunday, 18 September 2016, 18:24, Mark Struberg 
>  wrote:
> > btw, I tried to import the netbeans-core repo from hg into github and it 
> > failed.
> Now trying to manually import it...
> 
> Did anybody else do that?
> 
> 
> LieGrue,
> strub
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>  On Sunday, 18 September 2016, 18:22, Dennis E. Hamilton 
>  wrote:
>>  > +1
>> 
>> 
>>>   -Original Message-
>>>   From: Greg Stein [mailto:gst...@gmail.com]
>>>   Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 00:46
>>>   To: general@incubator.apache.org
>>>   Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal
>>> 
>>>   On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 9:54 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <
>>>   geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>   > Hi all,
>>>   >
>>>   > Can we be specific about what info is needed, or what further 
> details
>>>   > specifically, before going into a vote for acceptance of the 
> proposal?
>>>   My
>>>   > concern is that each question we answer is answered by further
>>>   questions to
>>>   > answer. Maybe we could do a phone conference with the NetBeans
>>>   > infrastructure side together with the Apache infrastructure side.
>>>   Maybe we
>>>   > can work through the infrastructure challenges during incubation.
>>>   >
>>> 
>>>   Generally speaking, Apache would prefer to slow things down and use a
>>>   mailing list, rather than to have a phone conference. The email is
>>>   documented for everybody to review, to participate, and to record for
>>>   future examination. A phone conference probably wouldn't resolve 
> many
>>>   questions/concerns anyway, simply because much of that comes from
>>>   considered thought. A phone call is "THINK NOW. RESPOND. OOPS. 
> MISSED
>>>   YOUR
>>>   CHANCE." ... Mailing lists give people time to think.
>>> 
>>>   There is no rush, no dates, no deadlines at the ASF. It may take 
> longer
>>>   via
>>>   mailing lists, but it means that the larger community can be involved,
>>>   can
>>>   review, and can be archived.
>>> 
>>>   If one question turns into three ... well, that is deliberation. As
>>>   David
>>>   noted else-thread, we rarely get such a large, well-established
>>>   community
>>>   arriving at the Incubator. That necessitates a bit more inquiry than
>>>   most
>>>   other entrants receive. Layers of the onion get peeled, and new
>>>   questions
>>>   arrive. More layers unpeeled ...
>>> 
>>>   And to point to the elephant in the room: I bet there are people
>>>   concerned
>>>   given the recent misadventures of AOO [and Oracle's donations of 
> these
>>>   two
>>>   projects]. Personally, I think it is hogwash, and don't believe 
> any
>>>   concern
>>>   applies here, as the communities and the userbase are very different.
>>>   BUT,
>>>   temporally, there is a conflation of the donations of these two
>>>   projects. I
>>>   suspect that will cause a few people to slow down and ask more
>>>   questions.
>>> 
>>>   Cheers,
>>>   -g
>> 
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Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

[Mark Struberg]

btw, I tried to import the netbeans-core repo from hg into github and it failed.
Now trying to manually import it...

Did anybody else do that?


LieGrue,
strub




> On Sunday, 18 September 2016, 18:22, Dennis E. Hamilton 
>  wrote:
> > +1
> 
> 
>>  -Original Message-
>>  From: Greg Stein [mailto:gst...@gmail.com]
>>  Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 00:46
>>  To: general@incubator.apache.org
>>  Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal
>> 
>>  On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 9:54 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <
>>  geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>  > Hi all,
>>  >
>>  > Can we be specific about what info is needed, or what further details
>>  > specifically, before going into a vote for acceptance of the proposal?
>>  My
>>  > concern is that each question we answer is answered by further
>>  questions to
>>  > answer. Maybe we could do a phone conference with the NetBeans
>>  > infrastructure side together with the Apache infrastructure side.
>>  Maybe we
>>  > can work through the infrastructure challenges during incubation.
>>  >
>> 
>>  Generally speaking, Apache would prefer to slow things down and use a
>>  mailing list, rather than to have a phone conference. The email is
>>  documented for everybody to review, to participate, and to record for
>>  future examination. A phone conference probably wouldn't resolve many
>>  questions/concerns anyway, simply because much of that comes from
>>  considered thought. A phone call is "THINK NOW. RESPOND. OOPS. MISSED
>>  YOUR
>>  CHANCE." ... Mailing lists give people time to think.
>> 
>>  There is no rush, no dates, no deadlines at the ASF. It may take longer
>>  via
>>  mailing lists, but it means that the larger community can be involved,
>>  can
>>  review, and can be archived.
>> 
>>  If one question turns into three ... well, that is deliberation. As
>>  David
>>  noted else-thread, we rarely get such a large, well-established
>>  community
>>  arriving at the Incubator. That necessitates a bit more inquiry than
>>  most
>>  other entrants receive. Layers of the onion get peeled, and new
>>  questions
>>  arrive. More layers unpeeled ...
>> 
>>  And to point to the elephant in the room: I bet there are people
>>  concerned
>>  given the recent misadventures of AOO [and Oracle's donations of these
>>  two
>>  projects]. Personally, I think it is hogwash, and don't believe any
>>  concern
>>  applies here, as the communities and the userbase are very different.
>>  BUT,
>>  temporally, there is a conflation of the donations of these two
>>  projects. I
>>  suspect that will cause a few people to slow down and ask more
>>  questions.
>> 
>>  Cheers,
>>  -g
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RE: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

+1

> -Original Message-
> From: Greg Stein [mailto:gst...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 00:46
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal
> 
> On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 9:54 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Can we be specific about what info is needed, or what further details
> > specifically, before going into a vote for acceptance of the proposal?
> My
> > concern is that each question we answer is answered by further
> questions to
> > answer. Maybe we could do a phone conference with the NetBeans
> > infrastructure side together with the Apache infrastructure side.
> Maybe we
> > can work through the infrastructure challenges during incubation.
> >
> 
> Generally speaking, Apache would prefer to slow things down and use a
> mailing list, rather than to have a phone conference. The email is
> documented for everybody to review, to participate, and to record for
> future examination. A phone conference probably wouldn't resolve many
> questions/concerns anyway, simply because much of that comes from
> considered thought. A phone call is "THINK NOW. RESPOND. OOPS. MISSED
> YOUR
> CHANCE." ... Mailing lists give people time to think.
> 
> There is no rush, no dates, no deadlines at the ASF. It may take longer
> via
> mailing lists, but it means that the larger community can be involved,
> can
> review, and can be archived.
> 
> If one question turns into three ... well, that is deliberation. As
> David
> noted else-thread, we rarely get such a large, well-established
> community
> arriving at the Incubator. That necessitates a bit more inquiry than
> most
> other entrants receive. Layers of the onion get peeled, and new
> questions
> arrive. More layers unpeeled ...
> 
> And to point to the elephant in the room: I bet there are people
> concerned
> given the recent misadventures of AOO [and Oracle's donations of these
> two
> projects]. Personally, I think it is hogwash, and don't believe any
> concern
> applies here, as the communities and the userbase are very different.
> BUT,
> temporally, there is a conflation of the donations of these two
> projects. I
> suspect that will cause a few people to slow down and ask more
> questions.
> 
> Cheers,
> -g


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Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

[Greg Stein]

On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 9:54 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <
geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Can we be specific about what info is needed, or what further details
> specifically, before going into a vote for acceptance of the proposal? My
> concern is that each question we answer is answered by further questions to
> answer. Maybe we could do a phone conference with the NetBeans
> infrastructure side together with the Apache infrastructure side. Maybe we
> can work through the infrastructure challenges during incubation.
>

Generally speaking, Apache would prefer to slow things down and use a
mailing list, rather than to have a phone conference. The email is
documented for everybody to review, to participate, and to record for
future examination. A phone conference probably wouldn't resolve many
questions/concerns anyway, simply because much of that comes from
considered thought. A phone call is "THINK NOW. RESPOND. OOPS. MISSED YOUR
CHANCE." ... Mailing lists give people time to think.

There is no rush, no dates, no deadlines at the ASF. It may take longer via
mailing lists, but it means that the larger community can be involved, can
review, and can be archived.

If one question turns into three ... well, that is deliberation. As David
noted else-thread, we rarely get such a large, well-established community
arriving at the Incubator. That necessitates a bit more inquiry than most
other entrants receive. Layers of the onion get peeled, and new questions
arrive. More layers unpeeled ...

And to point to the elephant in the room: I bet there are people concerned
given the recent misadventures of AOO [and Oracle's donations of these two
projects]. Personally, I think it is hogwash, and don't believe any concern
applies here, as the communities and the userbase are very different. BUT,
temporally, there is a conflation of the donations of these two projects. I
suspect that will cause a few people to slow down and ask more questions.

Cheers,
-g

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

[Mark Struberg]

If we have a proper maven build and set up a Jenkins nightly build, then we 
have the same from repository.a.o.
We do this for many projects already.


LieGrue,
strub




> On Sunday, 18 September 2016, 9:39, Niclas Hedhman  wrote:
> > AGES ago (~2002), I was running a project that used the openapi.org which
> is the RCP part of NetBeans. At that time, we had a job that downloaded the
> nightly builds to be tested and incorporated into our continuous build. The
> nightly, compared to source tree, had the advantage of being tested before
> published. If test failed, there were no build (IIRC).
> 
> So, "developers" could be broader, but that is potentially always the 
> case
> "pull from source tree"...
> 
> Niclas
> 
> 
> On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Alex Harui  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>>  On 9/17/16, 8:54 AM, "Jochen Theodorou"  
> wrote:
>> 
>>  >On 17.09.2016 10:23, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>>  >> Nightly builds is all that's needed, indeed, no one needs to 
> announce
>>  >>them,
>>  >> they should simply be available. Agreed it's important to 
> distinguish
>>  >> between nightly builds and official releases, that's exactly 
> how
>>  >>NetBeans
>>  >> works currently. The #1 requirement here is that there should be 
> nightly
>>  >> builds and that is supported, from your response here.
>>  >
>>  >may I ask for whom and what the nightly builds are in your case? If it
>>  >is for developers only there should be no problem.
>> 
>>  Where "developers" is the folks contributing to the code in 
> Apache, not
>>  users of the code.
>>  IIRC, there are also restrictions on how folks find out about the
>>  "nightly" builds.  It can't be listed in the release info on 
> the web site,
>>  for example.
>> 
>>  -Alex
>> 
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Re: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans Incubator Proposal

[Niclas Hedhman]

AGES ago (~2002), I was running a project that used the openapi.org which
is the RCP part of NetBeans. At that time, we had a job that downloaded the
nightly builds to be tested and incorporated into our continuous build. The
nightly, compared to source tree, had the advantage of being tested before
published. If test failed, there were no build (IIRC).

So, "developers" could be broader, but that is potentially always the case
"pull from source tree"...

Niclas

On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Alex Harui  wrote:

>
>
> On 9/17/16, 8:54 AM, "Jochen Theodorou"  wrote:
>
> >On 17.09.2016 10:23, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> >> Nightly builds is all that's needed, indeed, no one needs to announce
> >>them,
> >> they should simply be available. Agreed it's important to distinguish
> >> between nightly builds and official releases, that's exactly how
> >>NetBeans
> >> works currently. The #1 requirement here is that there should be nightly
> >> builds and that is supported, from your response here.
> >
> >may I ask for whom and what the nightly builds are in your case? If it
> >is for developers only there should be no problem.
>
> Where "developers" is the folks contributing to the code in Apache, not
> users of the code.
> IIRC, there are also restrictions on how folks find out about the
> "nightly" builds.  It can't be listed in the release info on the web site,
> for example.
>
> -Alex
>
>
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