Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 +1 (binding) Past the 72 hour notation below but I didn't see a final tally. On Jun 10, 2011, at 12:02 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE] As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an Apache Incubator project. At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here is a link to the document in the wiki: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recallrev=207 As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to scan and review the archives for this month: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser Please cast your votes: [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation This vote will close 72 hours from now. - Sam Ruby = OpenOffice.org - An open productivity environment = == Abstract == !OpenOffice.org is comprised of six personal productivity applications: a word processor (and its web-authoring component), spreadsheet, presentation graphics, drawing, equation editor, and database. !OpenOffice.org is released on Windows, Solaris, Linux and Macintosh operation systems, with more [[http://porting.openoffice.org/|communities]] joining, including a mature [[http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/|FreeBSD port]]. !OpenOffice.org is localized, supporting over 110 languages worldwide. == Proposal == Apache !OpenOffice.org will continue the mission pursued by the !OpenOffice.org project while under the sponsorship of Sun and Oracle, namely: To create, as a community, the leading international office suite that will run on all major platforms and provide access to all functionality and data through open-component based APIs and an XML-based file format. In addition to to building the !OpenOffice.org product, as an end-user facing product with many existing individual and corporate users, this project will also be active in supporting end-users via tutorials, user forums, document template repositories, etc. The project will also work to further enable !OpenOffice.org to be used as a programmable module in document automation scenarios. == Background == !OpenOffice.org was launched as an open source project by Sun Microsystems in June 2000. !OpenOffice.org was originally developed under the name of StarOffice by Star Division, a German company, which was acquired by Sun Microsystems in 1999. Sun released this as open source in 2000. !OpenOffice.org is the leading alternative to MS-Office available. Its most recent major version, the 3.x series saw over [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|100 million downloads]] in its first year. The [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|most recent estimates]] suggest a market share on the order of 8-15%. The !OpenOffice source is written in C++ and delivers language-neutral and scriptable functionality. This source technology introduces the next-stage architecture, allowing use of the suite elements as separate applications or as embedded components in other applications. Numerous other features are also present including XML-based file formats based on the vendor-neutral !OpenDocument Format (ODF) standard from OASIS and other resources. == Rationale == !OpenOffice.org core development would continue at Apache following the contribution by Oracle, in accordance with Apache bylaws and its usual open development processes. Both Oracle and ASF agree that the !OpenOffice.org development community, previously fragmented, would re-unite under ASF to ensure a stable and long term future for OpenOffice.org. ASF would enable corporate, non-profit, and volunteer stakeholders to contribute code in a collaborative fashion. Supporting tooling projects will accompany the !OpenOffice.org contribution, providing APIs for extending and customizing !OpenOffice.org. Both !OpenOffice.org and the related tooling projects support the OASIS Open Document Format, and will attract an ecosystem of developers, ISVs and Systems Integrators. ODF ensures the users of !OpenOffice.org and related solutions will own their document data, and be free to choose the application or solution that best meets their requirements. The !OpenOffice.org implementation will serve as a reference implementation of the Open Document Format standard. = Current Status = == Meritocracy == We understand the intention and value of meritocracy at Apache. We are particularly gratified to learn, during the discussion on this proposal, that there is a strong role for non-coders
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
On 6/15/2011 9:58 PM, Matt Hogstrom wrote: +1 (binding) Past the 72 hour notation below but I didn't see a final tally. Then you missed the note. [Hint: search for the subject RESULT] ---BeginMessage--- On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: Binding votes are ones that are cast by Incubator PMC members. Quorum is 3 binding +1 yes votes. Once quorum is met, if more +1 votes are received than -1, the vote carries. Otherwise, the vote fails. Vote started on Friday, June 10th at 12:02pm EDT: http://s.apache.org/VgS Voting is now closed. Quorum was achieved, and the vote passes. Voting results: --- Summary --- Binding: +1: 41 --: 1 -0: 1 -1: 5 Non-binding: +1: 45 +0: 2 ±0: 1 -0: 1 -1: 8 --- Details --- Binding: +1 aadamchikAndrus Adamchik +1 adc Alan Cabrera +1 akarasuluAlex Karasulu -- antelder Anthony Elder +1 ate Ate Douma +1 bdelacretaz Bertrand Delacretaz +1 bimargulies Benson Margulies +1 brettBrett Porter +1 clr Craig Russell +1 curcuru Shane Curcuru +1 danese Danese Cooper +1 dims Davanum Srinivas +1 dirkxDirk-Willem van Gulik +1 elecharnyEmmanuel Lecharny -0 gnodet Guillaume Nodet +1 grobmeierChristian Grobmeier +1 gstein Greg Stein +1 jim Jim Jagielski +1 joes Joe Schaefer +1 jukkaJukka Zitting +1 jvermillard Julien Vermillard +1 kevanKevan Lee Miller +1 leosimonsLeo Simons +1 lresende Luciano Resende +1 marrsMarcel Offermans +1 marvin Marvin Humphrey +1 mattmann Chris Mattmann +1 mturkMladen Turk -1 niallp Niall Pemberton +1 nick Nick Burch -1 niclas Par Niclas Hedhman +1 noel Noel J. Bergman +1 noirin Noirin Plunkett +1 paulsKarl Pauls -1 psteitz Phil Steitz +1 rdonkin Robert Burrell Donkin +1 rgardler Ross Duncan Gardler +1 rgoers Ralph Goers +1 rhirsch Richard Hirsch +1 rubysSam Ruby -1 sanjiva Sanjiva Weerawarana +1 sdeboy Scott Deboy +1 stoddard Bill Stoddard +1 struberg Mark Struberg -1 twilliamsTim Williams +1 upayaviraUpayavira +1 wroweWilliam A. Rowe Jr. +1 zwoopLeif Hedstrom Non-binding: +1 aaf Alexei Fedotov +0 aku Andreas Kuckartz +1 asavory Andrew Savory +1 bayard Henri Yandell +1 damjan Damjan Jovanovic (v) +1 eric Eric Charles +1 edwardsmjMike Edwards +1 florent Florent André (v) +1 jkosin James Kosin -1 stevel Steve Loughran +1 mikemccand Michael McCandless -1 niq Nick Kew +1 ngn Niklas Gustavsson +1 rickhall Richard S. Hall -0 seelmann Stefan Seelmann +1 scottbw Scott Wilson +1 sgalaSantiago Gala +1 svanderwaal Sander van der Waal +1 wave Dave Fisher (v) +1 yegorYegor Kozlov (v) +1 --- Eric Bachard (v) +1 --- Mathias Bauer (v) -1 --- Thorsten Behrens +1 --- Stephan Bergmann (v) +1 --- Raphael Bircher (v) +1 --- Andy Brown (v) +1 --- Alexandro Colorado (v) -1 --- Keith Curtis -1 --- Florian Effenberger +1 --- Roman H. Gelbort (v) +1 --- Pedro Giffuni +1 --- Larry Gusaas +1 --- Daniel Haischt +1 --- Dennis E. Hamilton (v) +1 --- Don Harbison (v) +1 --- Kazunari Hirano (v) +1 --- Christoph Jopp +1 --- Steve Lee (v) +1 --- Dieter Loeschky (v) +1 --- Ian Lynch (v) +1 --- Carl Marcum (v) +1 --- Marcus +1 --- Ingrid von der Mehden (v) -1 --- Volker Merschmann +0 --- Cor Nouws +1 --- Simon Phipps ±0 --- Manfred A. Reiter +1 --- Phillip Rhodes (v) +1 --- Andrew Rist (v) +1 --- Jürgen Schmidt (v) -1 --- André Schnabel +1 --- Jomar Silva (v) +1 --- Louis Suárez-Potts (v) +1 --- Malte Timmermann (v) +1 --- Jochen Wiedmann +1 --- Donald Whytock -1 --- Simos Xenitellis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org ---End Message--- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
On 10/06/11 17:02, Sam Ruby wrote: *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE] As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an Apache Incubator project. At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here is a link to the document in the wiki: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recallrev=207 As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to scan and review the archives for this month: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser Please cast your votes: [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation I may have missed the vote it being over a weekend and me not checking my mail until work hours, but being in GMT0BST I think I'm still in time. I've also read through the other votes to help shape my own. -1 (non binding) * This may not foster an OSS community -just split a growing one in a way that benefits two large vendors (Oracle, IBM) rather than the world as a whole. In particular, a large chunk of the ongoing LibreOffice team are against this proposal, and I'd be happier being on good terms with the rest of the OSS world than with anyone else. * A code dump without the oracle engineering team is going to be a hard thing to work with. If the majority of people who work on the ASF codebase are IBM FTEs, the knowledge of the codebase doesn't spread, and when IBM decide to re-assign the engineers (as has happened with Axis and Harmony), the knowledge of the code will go away. Sanjiva can vouch for that, having helped pick up the pieces of one of those projects (and done a good job of it :) * It's a mass-market consumer OSS project on a par with firefox, not the developer-centric tooling or server-side platforms we've historically been involved in. If my mother has a problem with OpenOffice on her (Ubuntu 10.4) laptop, I can't tell her to download SVN trunk and debug the problem then submit a patch, as she can't even get the font settings right in Yahoo! mail to stop it sending emails out in Courier 36. * Although it's key download bandwidth may be on Windows, it is the key office-compatible platform in the Linux world, which is why I run it on all my office PCs. That bandwidth doesn't get measured, as it comes from the RHEL, CentOS, Ubuntu, SuSE and, um, Oracle repositories. Linux hasn't suffered by being GPL, and IBM are happy to work within that license constraint, so why not say you want to stay on the trunk of the open-office derivative works? Embrace GPL! * I don't see why the ASF should do Oracle any favours, not given their past behaviour w.r.t the Java TCK, and their apparent willingness to sue google on what may be apparent patent issues within the Apache codebase. You can't sue someone over one bit of code and then at the same time say let's be friends, on what may be just a way to gain some tax kickback by donating a half-dead brand to an open source project. * I've not been happy with some of the discussions here were some of the evangelists of the proposal -who have never been seen on any ASF project I've ever encountered- suddenly seem to be knowledgeable about Apache's goals and intentions that myself. I get the feeling the ASF is being used as one of those pawns in a technology cold war we'll trade Cuba for Hungary. Case in point: press releases announced this before anything else, implies to me a propaganda effort rather than progress. The momentum is with TdF, that's where its home should be, and the ASF, Oracle and IBM should accept and acknowledge that fact. -Steve - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
+1 (non-binding) Greetings Raphael Am 10.06.11 18:02, schrieb Sam Ruby: *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE] As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an Apache Incubator project. At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here is a link to the document in the wiki: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recallrev=207 As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to scan and review the archives for this month: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser Please cast your votes: [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation This vote will close 72 hours from now. - Sam Ruby = OpenOffice.org - An open productivity environment = == Abstract == !OpenOffice.org is comprised of six personal productivity applications: a word processor (and its web-authoring component), spreadsheet, presentation graphics, drawing, equation editor, and database. !OpenOffice.org is released on Windows, Solaris, Linux and Macintosh operation systems, with more [[http://porting.openoffice.org/|communities]] joining, including a mature [[http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/|FreeBSD port]]. !OpenOffice.org is localized, supporting over 110 languages worldwide. == Proposal == Apache !OpenOffice.org will continue the mission pursued by the !OpenOffice.org project while under the sponsorship of Sun and Oracle, namely: To create, as a community, the leading international office suite that will run on all major platforms and provide access to all functionality and data through open-component based APIs and an XML-based file format. In addition to to building the !OpenOffice.org product, as an end-user facing product with many existing individual and corporate users, this project will also be active in supporting end-users via tutorials, user forums, document template repositories, etc. The project will also work to further enable !OpenOffice.org to be used as a programmable module in document automation scenarios. == Background == !OpenOffice.org was launched as an open source project by Sun Microsystems in June 2000. !OpenOffice.org was originally developed under the name of StarOffice by Star Division, a German company, which was acquired by Sun Microsystems in 1999. Sun released this as open source in 2000. !OpenOffice.org is the leading alternative to MS-Office available. Its most recent major version, the 3.x series saw over [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|100 million downloads]] in its first year. The [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|most recent estimates]] suggest a market share on the order of 8-15%. The !OpenOffice source is written in C++ and delivers language-neutral and scriptable functionality. This source technology introduces the next-stage architecture, allowing use of the suite elements as separate applications or as embedded components in other applications. Numerous other features are also present including XML-based file formats based on the vendor-neutral !OpenDocument Format (ODF) standard from OASIS and other resources. == Rationale == !OpenOffice.org core development would continue at Apache following the contribution by Oracle, in accordance with Apache bylaws and its usual open development processes. Both Oracle and ASF agree that the !OpenOffice.org development community, previously fragmented, would re-unite under ASF to ensure a stable and long term future for OpenOffice.org. ASF would enable corporate, non-profit, and volunteer stakeholders to contribute code in a collaborative fashion. Supporting tooling projects will accompany the !OpenOffice.org contribution, providing APIs for extending and customizing !OpenOffice.org. Both !OpenOffice.org and the related tooling projects support the OASIS Open Document Format, and will attract an ecosystem of developers, ISVs and Systems Integrators. ODF ensures the users of !OpenOffice.org and related solutions will own their document data, and be free to choose the application or solution that best meets their requirements. The !OpenOffice.org implementation will serve as a reference implementation of the Open Document Format standard. = Current Status = == Meritocracy == We understand the intention and value of meritocracy at Apache. We are particularly gratified to learn, during the discussion on this proposal, that there is a strong role for non-coders to participate in this meritocracy and as they demonstrate their sustained commitment and merit, to take on additional community responsibilities. The initial
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
-1 As a foundation, we are optimized to support delivery of open source code, it seems to me OOo and its user/community/the public would be best served by an organization built for the delivery of a finished end-user product. OOo would be such an anomaly for us I fear would lead to an embarrassing chapter. --tim On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 12:02 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE] As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an Apache Incubator project. At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here is a link to the document in the wiki: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recallrev=207 As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to scan and review the archives for this month: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser Please cast your votes: [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation This vote will close 72 hours from now. - Sam Ruby = OpenOffice.org - An open productivity environment = == Abstract == !OpenOffice.org is comprised of six personal productivity applications: a word processor (and its web-authoring component), spreadsheet, presentation graphics, drawing, equation editor, and database. !OpenOffice.org is released on Windows, Solaris, Linux and Macintosh operation systems, with more [[http://porting.openoffice.org/|communities]] joining, including a mature [[http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/|FreeBSD port]]. !OpenOffice.org is localized, supporting over 110 languages worldwide. == Proposal == Apache !OpenOffice.org will continue the mission pursued by the !OpenOffice.org project while under the sponsorship of Sun and Oracle, namely: To create, as a community, the leading international office suite that will run on all major platforms and provide access to all functionality and data through open-component based APIs and an XML-based file format. In addition to to building the !OpenOffice.org product, as an end-user facing product with many existing individual and corporate users, this project will also be active in supporting end-users via tutorials, user forums, document template repositories, etc. The project will also work to further enable !OpenOffice.org to be used as a programmable module in document automation scenarios. == Background == !OpenOffice.org was launched as an open source project by Sun Microsystems in June 2000. !OpenOffice.org was originally developed under the name of StarOffice by Star Division, a German company, which was acquired by Sun Microsystems in 1999. Sun released this as open source in 2000. !OpenOffice.org is the leading alternative to MS-Office available. Its most recent major version, the 3.x series saw over [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|100 million downloads]] in its first year. The [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|most recent estimates]] suggest a market share on the order of 8-15%. The !OpenOffice source is written in C++ and delivers language-neutral and scriptable functionality. This source technology introduces the next-stage architecture, allowing use of the suite elements as separate applications or as embedded components in other applications. Numerous other features are also present including XML-based file formats based on the vendor-neutral !OpenDocument Format (ODF) standard from OASIS and other resources. == Rationale == !OpenOffice.org core development would continue at Apache following the contribution by Oracle, in accordance with Apache bylaws and its usual open development processes. Both Oracle and ASF agree that the !OpenOffice.org development community, previously fragmented, would re-unite under ASF to ensure a stable and long term future for OpenOffice.org. ASF would enable corporate, non-profit, and volunteer stakeholders to contribute code in a collaborative fashion. Supporting tooling projects will accompany the !OpenOffice.org contribution, providing APIs for extending and customizing !OpenOffice.org. Both !OpenOffice.org and the related tooling projects support the OASIS Open Document Format, and will attract an ecosystem of developers, ISVs and Systems Integrators. ODF ensures the users of !OpenOffice.org and related solutions will own their document data, and be free to choose the application or solution that best meets their requirements. The !OpenOffice.org implementation will serve as a reference implementation of the Open Document Format standard. = Current Status = == Meritocracy == We understand the intention and value
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
+1 (non-binding) Regards, Dieter Am 10.06.11 18:02, schrieb Sam Ruby: *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE] As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an Apache Incubator project. At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here is a link to the document in the wiki: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recallrev=207 As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to scan and review the archives for this month: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser Please cast your votes: [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation This vote will close 72 hours from now. - Sam Ruby = OpenOffice.org - An open productivity environment = == Abstract == !OpenOffice.org is comprised of six personal productivity applications: a word processor (and its web-authoring component), spreadsheet, presentation graphics, drawing, equation editor, and database. !OpenOffice.org is released on Windows, Solaris, Linux and Macintosh operation systems, with more [[http://porting.openoffice.org/|communities]] joining, including a mature [[http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/|FreeBSD port]]. !OpenOffice.org is localized, supporting over 110 languages worldwide. == Proposal == Apache !OpenOffice.org will continue the mission pursued by the !OpenOffice.org project while under the sponsorship of Sun and Oracle, namely: To create, as a community, the leading international office suite that will run on all major platforms and provide access to all functionality and data through open-component based APIs and an XML-based file format. In addition to to building the !OpenOffice.org product, as an end-user facing product with many existing individual and corporate users, this project will also be active in supporting end-users via tutorials, user forums, document template repositories, etc. The project will also work to further enable !OpenOffice.org to be used as a programmable module in document automation scenarios. == Background == !OpenOffice.org was launched as an open source project by Sun Microsystems in June 2000. !OpenOffice.org was originally developed under the name of StarOffice by Star Division, a German company, which was acquired by Sun Microsystems in 1999. Sun released this as open source in 2000. !OpenOffice.org is the leading alternative to MS-Office available. Its most recent major version, the 3.x series saw over [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|100 million downloads]] in its first year. The [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|most recent estimates]] suggest a market share on the order of 8-15%. The !OpenOffice source is written in C++ and delivers language-neutral and scriptable functionality. This source technology introduces the next-stage architecture, allowing use of the suite elements as separate applications or as embedded components in other applications. Numerous other features are also present including XML-based file formats based on the vendor-neutral !OpenDocument Format (ODF) standard from OASIS and other resources. == Rationale == !OpenOffice.org core development would continue at Apache following the contribution by Oracle, in accordance with Apache bylaws and its usual open development processes. Both Oracle and ASF agree that the !OpenOffice.org development community, previously fragmented, would re-unite under ASF to ensure a stable and long term future for OpenOffice.org. ASF would enable corporate, non-profit, and volunteer stakeholders to contribute code in a collaborative fashion. Supporting tooling projects will accompany the !OpenOffice.org contribution, providing APIs for extending and customizing !OpenOffice.org. Both !OpenOffice.org and the related tooling projects support the OASIS Open Document Format, and will attract an ecosystem of developers, ISVs and Systems Integrators. ODF ensures the users of !OpenOffice.org and related solutions will own their document data, and be free to choose the application or solution that best meets their requirements. The !OpenOffice.org implementation will serve as a reference implementation of the Open Document Format standard. = Current Status = == Meritocracy == We understand the intention and value of meritocracy at Apache. We are particularly gratified to learn, during the discussion on this proposal, that there is a strong role for non-coders to participate in this meritocracy and as they demonstrate their sustained commitment and merit, to take on additional community responsibilities. The initial
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Hi, Sam Ruby wrote (10-06-11 18:02) Please cast your votes: a. - : because of the difficulties ahead, as mentioned on this list, for the OpenOffice.org product in the ASF (that may not be relevant for the AFS, but IMO are for OpenOffice.org), and since TDF for me is a more logical choice; b. + : because the many people from the OpenOffice.org project that I know and want to give the Apache OpenOffice.org a chance, which I think is fair too. Round (b-a) = +0 (non binding) Kind regards, Cor [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation This vote will close 72 hours from now. -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 12:02:44 -0400 Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: -1 (non-binding) I've agonised long and hard about this. Wouldn't it be fantastic to see Apache take on such a great trophy project? And of course we'll be best-of-friends with TDF despite perhaps a few vocal individuals? And in the worst case, incubation will show up weaknesses and rifts and the project will be reevaluated, either re-homed or pensioned off for TDF to pick over the bones. But against that, why have we been offered it in the first place? If this had happened before the split then I'd say great, but now it smells of politics. * Noone has explained why they want to donate to us in preference to TDF (the license issue doesn't wash given the history), only vague words about failing to reach agreement. * It feels like we're being handed a fait accomplit: take this project, or the kitty dies. Erm, excuse me? I expect that kind of railroading from someone who's paying for my time and effort, not from someone who expects it for free. Granted it's not easy to explain to the press that it's not a done deal, but they could at least have made the effort. * Who benefits? - Oracle and IBM have evidently decided it's in their interests. Fine. That's their business, not ours. - The competition? MS has no direct interest. Could go either way for them, as for us. - TDF? They get to cannibalise our work if they so choose. But by the same token, that's work that wasn't contributed to them in the first place. - The smaller companies? I don't hear a unified voice. - The public? More choice for the elite, confusion for the many. Too much kerfuffle in FOSS-land, better stick to MS. - ASF? That's the only one that matters to us, isn't it? * Well, we get a big trophy project, lots of attention. Good press if we make a success of it, bad press if we fail. But that's asymmetric: the good press benefits us little (we don't need it), while the bad could seriously damage the brand. * We also get a new project so big it's sure to rock the boat, bring in a new culture. Once it's in the incubator it has momentum: regardless of what happens, failure to graduate becomes an epic fail for us. * We have a huge community to absorb: we don't know that their values match ours. We do know that a number of them with Apache-like values of *community* and *open development* split off and formed TDF. So perhaps those who *don't* share such values are overrepresented in the non-TDF community? We may be faced with individuals who are absolutely key to OOO yet incompatible with ASF, so we can neither take them on nor exclude them. * It's outside our core competence. This kind of takeover has been damaging for many ambitious corporations. Having said all that, if we do accept it for incubation then I'll be actively doing my best to make it a success. -- Nick Kew Available for work, contract or permanent. http://www.webthing.com/~nick/cv.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
[DISCUSS] how to add many committers to a new project (was: Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation)
Hey hey, On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: +1 binding. Given the sheer number of committers involved in this podling there will be some work to do trying to gel a coherent development community out of the group. While I am optimistic, I am reminded of Roy's cautions about piling on [1] to a prospective podling, and am not entirely convinced that it's necessarily a good thing that we promote the idea of getting in on the ground floor wrt new podlings. [1]- http://s.apache.org/VT5 Perhaps one approach the podling could take at the guidance of its mentors is to create accounts on demand. I.e. first order of business is getting basic infrastructure up (I think everyone is looking forward to having traffic on general@incubator back to normal -:) ), next up is getting the initial code import. Next after that you start adding in the people that have sent in CLAs and are wanting to touch the code/website/etc. That's what harmony did. It helped the project get into a mode of voting in new people frequently, and it also helped make visible to the project that it was ok if you didn't show up on day 0. cheers... Leo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] how to add many committers to a new project (was: Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation)
If you read Roy's thread you'd have known that what you're suggesting was put forth by Noel, and Roy responded by basically saying that putting mentors in charge of a codebase they did not work on was a mistake: http://s.apache.org/3h4 - Original Message From: Leo Simons m...@leosimons.com To: general@incubator.apache.org Sent: Mon, June 13, 2011 12:31:00 PM Subject: [DISCUSS] how to add many committers to a new project (was: Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation) Hey hey, On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: +1 binding. Given the sheer number of committers involved in this podling there will be some work to do trying to gel a coherent development community out of the group. While I am optimistic, I am reminded of Roy's cautions about piling on [1] to a prospective podling, and am not entirely convinced that it's necessarily a good thing that we promote the idea of getting in on the ground floor wrt new podlings. [1]- http://s.apache.org/VT5 Perhaps one approach the podling could take at the guidance of its mentors is to create accounts on demand. I.e. first order of business is getting basic infrastructure up (I think everyone is looking forward to having traffic on general@incubator back to normal -:) ), next up is getting the initial code import. Next after that you start adding in the people that have sent in CLAs and are wanting to touch the code/website/etc. That's what harmony did. It helped the project get into a mode of voting in new people frequently, and it also helped make visible to the project that it was ok if you didn't show up on day 0. cheers... Leo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
I see this is too late to count but I offer my thoughts anyway. It was already late before it lurked in an outbox for a while. [-1] (non-binding) Vote to reject the OpenOffice.org PROPOSAL I reject the proposal not the community or the project. I am still a bit of an open source newb and do not have a long history with either the code base, IP issues or the community. Please be free to correct or work around my misapprehensions. Please accept my remarks as offered in the spirit of contribution to the proposal's goal of continuing the creation, as a community, [of] the leading international office suite. I am a TDF contributor but that is not the reason I reject the proposal as it stands. I am powerfully drawn to contribute to ASF and the OO project, despite my preference for an LGPL license. [1] I do not see the primary goals and interests of the Apache OpenOffice.org community and the TDF community as divergent. I believe that all open source branches of the OpenOffice family tree (linked by their still mostly common code base) will thrive best when they all thrive. The primary reasons I must reject this proposal (not the project!) come from my understanding of ASF and from a few years of maintenance development on a large old app: 1) The Rationale doesn't work for me at all: Both Oracle and ASF agree that the OpenOffice.org development community, previously fragmented, would re-unite under ASF to ensure a stable and long term future for OpenOffice.org. -1A) This sentence speaks for ASF. I have seen several emails where this is frowned upon within the Apache community, but I will assume the true Sponsor (the Incubator) can speak as ASF through the proposal (back to itself?). A bit convoluted for the Rationale. More to the point is TDF's first value: We commit ourselves to eliminate the digital divide in society by giving everyone access to office productivity tools free of charge to enable them to participate as full citizens in the 21st century. -- http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Next_Decade_Manifesto -1B) The 're-uniting a fragmented development community' meme is disingenuous or just plain wrong. The permissive nature of the Apache license is called pragmatic because it is intended to allow and encourage a variety of proprietary downstream development branches: this is a fragmentation of development effort, nu? Also, LibreOffice development with its maturing timed release schedule and replacement of OpenOffice in many Linux distros is neither a figment nor a fragment. -1C) The Rationale for the project might simply change 'agree' to 'intend' and 'would re-unite' to 'could re-unite' to break down the resemblance to the Borg's infamous 'assumed close' technique. [2] 2) The Meritocracy section is broken. Apache was chosen specifically because Oracle as contributor, and IBM as Sponsor [...] want to encourage this style of development for the project. Leaving aside the veracity, what does IBM as Sponsor mean? The Incubator site says the Sponsor must be part of Apache - here the true Sponsor is the Apache Incubator. And I don't think 'IBM as Sponsor of ASF' works either. Open, democratic and transparent aren't about style - they are requirements for success and graduation. 3) The missings: 3A) Initial Goals section: It is sudden (tho' not surprising), a bit of a mess, all new and there is a lot to sort out. The Initial Goals could be a series of assertions of 'by when' critical aspects will get sorted out. -- Accessible, buildable repo: Unless it's just about to happen, this is initial goal 1. -- If the build system, code, artwork, etc have IP issues that make a dev repo unavailable then they become goal 0. -- Germ of Release Plan: Release what? when? OK, then: By when goals set = initial goal -- Idea of Core Team: how many FTers? From where? How many others to balance as community? Enough in #? Enough in coverage? How many community + non-sponsored developers to balance that into a community project? (by when have #s) 3B) There is other suggested content here -- http://incubator.apache.org/guides/proposal.html -- that appears to be germane in this case of a large, established (OO has code older than Apache) project with a history checkered by 'management issues'. 3C) The Community section is missing translators, help/doc and only lists users and only infers the presence of national orgs with supporter[sic], promoters, trainers, consultants, e.g., an extended ecosystem. In fact, the whole Community section reads like a business analysis: it speaks almost entirely about various releases. And as either a business analysis or community description it fails to mention the centralizing OOo brand. The flaws in Rationale, Meritocracy and Community with missing Initial Goals all add up to this stopper: -- The proposal doesn't just have hat problems, it looks like the case of The Wrong Trousers. [3] The proposal has existed a couple weeks and drawn
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
+1 Mike McCandless http://blog.mikemccandless.com On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 3:45 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: [X] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation (non-binding) Comment: While I favor focusing on the reference implementation for ODF, as my previous comments reflect, I believe that and related scope decisions about releases and deployment are a matter for the podling to work through. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
[ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation +/- 0 (non binding) I am still going back and forth, on whether or not. against: I understand very well most of the arguments from André https://mail.google.com/mail/?shva=1#inbox/1307a4afb87824f5 Please see here http://openoffice.org/projects/de/lists/users/archive as the number of messages on the user mailing list is going down. We are today by more or less 1/10th of the emails peak, we had on the german userlist. I assume that the user did notice the wrangling over OOo, and they were looking for alternatives. A product should be released asap, ore OOo will loose more users. I saw emails here during incubation which were not answere because IMHO the questions were distressing. I heard here some caustically notes, inappropriate to build a community. Nearly the whole and very active community in Brasil switched to LO. A lot of very brilliant and active members of the german community are working now at LO, doing a very good job. in favor: On the other side, a lot of brilliant hackers are joining the project, and I see a lot of experienced and honorable Hamburg-people ;-). conclusion: Are ASF people aware, that How the ASF works has to be rewritten? A new role has to be created? Enduser, because not every user of OOo did what a ASF user has to do (i mean user in terms of contributor). IMHO, OOo and LO must find a way out of divide et impera. I think it's not neccessary to explain who else might be interested in a riven and broken community. Doing the same things twice is not economic, it is inefficent and worse it's stupid. Manfred - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
+1 [binding] Alex - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Hi, On 10 June 2011 17:02, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an Apache Incubator project. +1 (non-binding) Andrew. -- asav...@apache.org / cont...@andrewsavory.com http://www.andrewsavory.com/
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an Apache Incubator project. +1 (non-binding) /niklas - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
+1 non-bindung From Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net Subject[VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation Date Fri, 10 Jun 2011 16:02:44 GMT Please cast your votes: [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
+1 binding. Given the sheer number of committers involved in this podling there will be some work to do trying to gel a coherent development community out of the group. While I am optimistic, I am reminded of Roy's cautions about piling on [1] to a prospective podling, and am not entirely convinced that it's necessarily a good thing that we promote the idea of getting in on the ground floor wrt new podlings. [1]- http://s.apache.org/VT5 - Original Message From: Niklas Gustavsson nik...@protocol7.com To: general@incubator.apache.org Sent: Sun, June 12, 2011 11:21:26 AM Subject: Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an Apache Incubator project. +1 (non-binding) /niklas - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
[X] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation (binding) - Shane - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
[X] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation (binding) On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 11:12 PM, IngridvdM ingrid...@gmx-topmail.de wrote: [x] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation (non-binding) I would like to humbly beg you people from Apache for giving a chance to those who are willing to join you. I am deeply sorry that we are bringing a big political dispute with us. My hope is that the community that was so heavily divided last year will be able to reunite on your neutral ground. :-) And I'd like to thanks everyone who took the time to contribute to the discussion here on list and to express their opinion through this VOTE Robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
[x] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation (non-binding) I would like to see a future for OOo and i hope that this can be a new start. A few words to myself because i wasn't really visible here on the list so far. My name is Juergen Schmidt (jsc) and I have worked on the project since 1997. Probably some of you know me already, i am the API and Extensions project lead and currently also a member of the OOo community council. A more detailed introduction will follow soon. Juergen On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE] As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an Apache Incubator project. At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here is a link to the document in the wiki: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recallrev=207 As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to scan and review the archives for this month: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser Please cast your votes: [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation This vote will close 72 hours from now. - Sam Ruby = OpenOffice.org - An open productivity environment = == Abstract == !OpenOffice.org is comprised of six personal productivity applications: a word processor (and its web-authoring component), spreadsheet, presentation graphics, drawing, equation editor, and database. !OpenOffice.org is released on Windows, Solaris, Linux and Macintosh operation systems, with more [[http://porting.openoffice.org/|communities]] joining, including a mature [[http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/|FreeBSD port]]. !OpenOffice.org is localized, supporting over 110 languages worldwide. == Proposal == Apache !OpenOffice.org will continue the mission pursued by the !OpenOffice.org project while under the sponsorship of Sun and Oracle, namely: To create, as a community, the leading international office suite that will run on all major platforms and provide access to all functionality and data through open-component based APIs and an XML-based file format. In addition to to building the !OpenOffice.org product, as an end-user facing product with many existing individual and corporate users, this project will also be active in supporting end-users via tutorials, user forums, document template repositories, etc. The project will also work to further enable !OpenOffice.org to be used as a programmable module in document automation scenarios. == Background == !OpenOffice.org was launched as an open source project by Sun Microsystems in June 2000. !OpenOffice.org was originally developed under the name of StarOffice by Star Division, a German company, which was acquired by Sun Microsystems in 1999. Sun released this as open source in 2000. !OpenOffice.org is the leading alternative to MS-Office available. Its most recent major version, the 3.x series saw over [[ http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|100million downloads]] in its first year. The [[ http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|mostrecent estimates]] suggest a market share on the order of 8-15%. The !OpenOffice source is written in C++ and delivers language-neutral and scriptable functionality. This source technology introduces the next-stage architecture, allowing use of the suite elements as separate applications or as embedded components in other applications. Numerous other features are also present including XML-based file formats based on the vendor-neutral !OpenDocument Format (ODF) standard from OASIS and other resources. == Rationale == !OpenOffice.org core development would continue at Apache following the contribution by Oracle, in accordance with Apache bylaws and its usual open development processes. Both Oracle and ASF agree that the !OpenOffice.org development community, previously fragmented, would re-unite under ASF to ensure a stable and long term future for OpenOffice.org. ASF would enable corporate, non-profit, and volunteer stakeholders to contribute code in a collaborative fashion. Supporting tooling projects will accompany the !OpenOffice.org contribution, providing APIs for extending and customizing !OpenOffice.org. Both !OpenOffice.org and the related tooling projects support the OASIS Open Document Format, and will attract an ecosystem of developers, ISVs and Systems Integrators. ODF ensures the users of !OpenOffice.org and related solutions will own their document data, and be free to choose the application or solution that best meets their requirements. The !OpenOffice.org
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Sorry, I used a wrong mail address and then resent my vote with the correct one; please ignore this mail. Regards, Mathias On 12.06.2011 15:51, Mathias Bauer wrote: +1 (non-binding) Regards, Mathias On 10.06.2011 18:02, Sam Ruby wrote: *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE] As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an Apache Incubator project. At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here is a link to the document in the wiki: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recallrev=207 As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to scan and review the archives for this month: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser Please cast your votes: [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation This vote will close 72 hours from now. - Sam Ruby = OpenOffice.org - An open productivity environment = == Abstract == !OpenOffice.org is comprised of six personal productivity applications: a word processor (and its web-authoring component), spreadsheet, presentation graphics, drawing, equation editor, and database. !OpenOffice.org is released on Windows, Solaris, Linux and Macintosh operation systems, with more [[http://porting.openoffice.org/|communities]] joining, including a mature [[http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/|FreeBSD port]]. !OpenOffice.org is localized, supporting over 110 languages worldwide. == Proposal == Apache !OpenOffice.org will continue the mission pursued by the !OpenOffice.org project while under the sponsorship of Sun and Oracle, namely: To create, as a community, the leading international office suite that will run on all major platforms and provide access to all functionality and data through open-component based APIs and an XML-based file format. In addition to to building the !OpenOffice.org product, as an end-user facing product with many existing individual and corporate users, this project will also be active in supporting end-users via tutorials, user forums, document template repositories, etc. The project will also work to further enable !OpenOffice.org to be used as a programmable module in document automation scenarios. == Background == !OpenOffice.org was launched as an open source project by Sun Microsystems in June 2000. !OpenOffice.org was originally developed under the name of StarOffice by Star Division, a German company, which was acquired by Sun Microsystems in 1999. Sun released this as open source in 2000. !OpenOffice.org is the leading alternative to MS-Office available. Its most recent major version, the 3.x series saw over [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|100 million downloads]] in its first year. The [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|most recent estimates]] suggest a market share on the order of 8-15%. The !OpenOffice source is written in C++ and delivers language-neutral and scriptable functionality. This source technology introduces the next-stage architecture, allowing use of the suite elements as separate applications or as embedded components in other applications. Numerous other features are also present including XML-based file formats based on the vendor-neutral !OpenDocument Format (ODF) standard from OASIS and other resources. == Rationale == !OpenOffice.org core development would continue at Apache following the contribution by Oracle, in accordance with Apache bylaws and its usual open development processes. Both Oracle and ASF agree that the !OpenOffice.org development community, previously fragmented, would re-unite under ASF to ensure a stable and long term future for OpenOffice.org. ASF would enable corporate, non-profit, and volunteer stakeholders to contribute code in a collaborative fashion. Supporting tooling projects will accompany the !OpenOffice.org contribution, providing APIs for extending and customizing !OpenOffice.org. Both !OpenOffice.org and the related tooling projects support the OASIS Open Document Format, and will attract an ecosystem of developers, ISVs and Systems Integrators. ODF ensures the users of !OpenOffice.org and related solutions will own their document data, and be free to choose the application or solution that best meets their requirements. The !OpenOffice.org implementation will serve as a reference implementation of the Open Document Format standard. = Current Status = == Meritocracy == We understand the intention and value of meritocracy at Apache. We are particularly gratified to learn, during the discussion on this proposal, that there is a strong role for non-coders to participate in this meritocracy and as they demonstrate their sustained
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Sorry, this was a mistake, I used a wrong mail address; ignore this posting, please. regards, Mathias On 12.06.2011 15:51, Mathias Bauer wrote: +1 (non-binding) Regards, Mathias On 10.06.2011 18:02, Sam Ruby wrote: *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE] As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an Apache Incubator project. At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here is a link to the document in the wiki: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recallrev=207 As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to scan and review the archives for this month: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser Please cast your votes: [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation This vote will close 72 hours from now. - Sam Ruby = OpenOffice.org - An open productivity environment = == Abstract == !OpenOffice.org is comprised of six personal productivity applications: a word processor (and its web-authoring component), spreadsheet, presentation graphics, drawing, equation editor, and database. !OpenOffice.org is released on Windows, Solaris, Linux and Macintosh operation systems, with more [[http://porting.openoffice.org/|communities]] joining, including a mature [[http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/|FreeBSD port]]. !OpenOffice.org is localized, supporting over 110 languages worldwide. == Proposal == Apache !OpenOffice.org will continue the mission pursued by the !OpenOffice.org project while under the sponsorship of Sun and Oracle, namely: To create, as a community, the leading international office suite that will run on all major platforms and provide access to all functionality and data through open-component based APIs and an XML-based file format. In addition to to building the !OpenOffice.org product, as an end-user facing product with many existing individual and corporate users, this project will also be active in supporting end-users via tutorials, user forums, document template repositories, etc. The project will also work to further enable !OpenOffice.org to be used as a programmable module in document automation scenarios. == Background == !OpenOffice.org was launched as an open source project by Sun Microsystems in June 2000. !OpenOffice.org was originally developed under the name of StarOffice by Star Division, a German company, which was acquired by Sun Microsystems in 1999. Sun released this as open source in 2000. !OpenOffice.org is the leading alternative to MS-Office available. Its most recent major version, the 3.x series saw over [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|100 million downloads]] in its first year. The [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|most recent estimates]] suggest a market share on the order of 8-15%. The !OpenOffice source is written in C++ and delivers language-neutral and scriptable functionality. This source technology introduces the next-stage architecture, allowing use of the suite elements as separate applications or as embedded components in other applications. Numerous other features are also present including XML-based file formats based on the vendor-neutral !OpenDocument Format (ODF) standard from OASIS and other resources. == Rationale == !OpenOffice.org core development would continue at Apache following the contribution by Oracle, in accordance with Apache bylaws and its usual open development processes. Both Oracle and ASF agree that the !OpenOffice.org development community, previously fragmented, would re-unite under ASF to ensure a stable and long term future for OpenOffice.org. ASF would enable corporate, non-profit, and volunteer stakeholders to contribute code in a collaborative fashion. Supporting tooling projects will accompany the !OpenOffice.org contribution, providing APIs for extending and customizing !OpenOffice.org. Both !OpenOffice.org and the related tooling projects support the OASIS Open Document Format, and will attract an ecosystem of developers, ISVs and Systems Integrators. ODF ensures the users of !OpenOffice.org and related solutions will own their document data, and be free to choose the application or solution that best meets their requirements. The !OpenOffice.org implementation will serve as a reference implementation of the Open Document Format standard. = Current Status = == Meritocracy == We understand the intention and value of meritocracy at Apache. We are particularly gratified to learn, during the discussion on this proposal, that there is a strong role for non-coders to participate in this meritocracy and as they demonstrate their sustained commitment and merit, to
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Btw, your mails appear to be sent twice to the ML. I recognized that before already... Cheers Daniel On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Mathias Bauer nospamfor...@gmx.de wrote: Sorry, this was a mistake, I used a wrong mail address; ignore this posting, please. regards, Mathias On 12.06.2011 15:51, Mathias Bauer wrote: +1 (non-binding) Regards, Mathias On 10.06.2011 18:02, Sam Ruby wrote: *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE] As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an Apache Incubator project. At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here is a link to the document in the wiki: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recallrev=207 As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to scan and review the archives for this month: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser Please cast your votes: [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation This vote will close 72 hours from now. - Sam Ruby = OpenOffice.org - An open productivity environment = == Abstract == !OpenOffice.org is comprised of six personal productivity applications: a word processor (and its web-authoring component), spreadsheet, presentation graphics, drawing, equation editor, and database. !OpenOffice.org is released on Windows, Solaris, Linux and Macintosh operation systems, with more [[http://porting.openoffice.org/|communities]] joining, including a mature [[http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/|FreeBSD port]]. !OpenOffice.org is localized, supporting over 110 languages worldwide. == Proposal == Apache !OpenOffice.org will continue the mission pursued by the !OpenOffice.org project while under the sponsorship of Sun and Oracle, namely: To create, as a community, the leading international office suite that will run on all major platforms and provide access to all functionality and data through open-component based APIs and an XML-based file format. In addition to to building the !OpenOffice.org product, as an end-user facing product with many existing individual and corporate users, this project will also be active in supporting end-users via tutorials, user forums, document template repositories, etc. The project will also work to further enable !OpenOffice.org to be used as a programmable module in document automation scenarios. == Background == !OpenOffice.org was launched as an open source project by Sun Microsystems in June 2000. !OpenOffice.org was originally developed under the name of StarOffice by Star Division, a German company, which was acquired by Sun Microsystems in 1999. Sun released this as open source in 2000. !OpenOffice.org is the leading alternative to MS-Office available. Its most recent major version, the 3.x series saw over [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|100 million downloads]] in its first year. The [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|most recent estimates]] suggest a market share on the order of 8-15%. The !OpenOffice source is written in C++ and delivers language-neutral and scriptable functionality. This source technology introduces the next-stage architecture, allowing use of the suite elements as separate applications or as embedded components in other applications. Numerous other features are also present including XML-based file formats based on the vendor-neutral !OpenDocument Format (ODF) standard from OASIS and other resources. == Rationale == !OpenOffice.org core development would continue at Apache following the contribution by Oracle, in accordance with Apache bylaws and its usual open development processes. Both Oracle and ASF agree that the !OpenOffice.org development community, previously fragmented, would re-unite under ASF to ensure a stable and long term future for OpenOffice.org. ASF would enable corporate, non-profit, and volunteer stakeholders to contribute code in a collaborative fashion. Supporting tooling projects will accompany the !OpenOffice.org contribution, providing APIs for extending and customizing !OpenOffice.org. Both !OpenOffice.org and the related tooling projects support the OASIS Open Document Format, and will attract an ecosystem of developers, ISVs and Systems Integrators. ODF ensures the users of !OpenOffice.org and related solutions will own their document data, and be free to choose the application or solution that best meets their requirements. The !OpenOffice.org implementation will serve as a reference implementation of the Open Document Format standard. = Current Status = == Meritocracy == We understand the
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
+1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation (binding) -Bertrand, who agrees with Dirk. On Sunday, June 12, 2011, Dirk-Willem van Gulik di...@webweaving.org wrote: *: who is in a - what the hack mood - and thinks that get this code base in a state where people can start hacking is better than let it bitrot any further. And fully trust the incubator process to attic the code jettison the community if it is non functional. In which case we have at least one copy of this code base under a very liberal license for other communities to use as a starting point. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
I vote -1 for the reasons I said here: http://markmail.org/message/w5vtsa5nbarmnqxo Niall On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE] As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an Apache Incubator project. At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here is a link to the document in the wiki: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recallrev=207 As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to scan and review the archives for this month: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser Please cast your votes: [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation This vote will close 72 hours from now. - Sam Ruby = OpenOffice.org - An open productivity environment = == Abstract == !OpenOffice.org is comprised of six personal productivity applications: a word processor (and its web-authoring component), spreadsheet, presentation graphics, drawing, equation editor, and database. !OpenOffice.org is released on Windows, Solaris, Linux and Macintosh operation systems, with more [[http://porting.openoffice.org/|communities]] joining, including a mature [[http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/|FreeBSD port]]. !OpenOffice.org is localized, supporting over 110 languages worldwide. == Proposal == Apache !OpenOffice.org will continue the mission pursued by the !OpenOffice.org project while under the sponsorship of Sun and Oracle, namely: To create, as a community, the leading international office suite that will run on all major platforms and provide access to all functionality and data through open-component based APIs and an XML-based file format. In addition to to building the !OpenOffice.org product, as an end-user facing product with many existing individual and corporate users, this project will also be active in supporting end-users via tutorials, user forums, document template repositories, etc. The project will also work to further enable !OpenOffice.org to be used as a programmable module in document automation scenarios. == Background == !OpenOffice.org was launched as an open source project by Sun Microsystems in June 2000. !OpenOffice.org was originally developed under the name of StarOffice by Star Division, a German company, which was acquired by Sun Microsystems in 1999. Sun released this as open source in 2000. !OpenOffice.org is the leading alternative to MS-Office available. Its most recent major version, the 3.x series saw over [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|100 million downloads]] in its first year. The [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|most recent estimates]] suggest a market share on the order of 8-15%. The !OpenOffice source is written in C++ and delivers language-neutral and scriptable functionality. This source technology introduces the next-stage architecture, allowing use of the suite elements as separate applications or as embedded components in other applications. Numerous other features are also present including XML-based file formats based on the vendor-neutral !OpenDocument Format (ODF) standard from OASIS and other resources. == Rationale == !OpenOffice.org core development would continue at Apache following the contribution by Oracle, in accordance with Apache bylaws and its usual open development processes. Both Oracle and ASF agree that the !OpenOffice.org development community, previously fragmented, would re-unite under ASF to ensure a stable and long term future for OpenOffice.org. ASF would enable corporate, non-profit, and volunteer stakeholders to contribute code in a collaborative fashion. Supporting tooling projects will accompany the !OpenOffice.org contribution, providing APIs for extending and customizing !OpenOffice.org. Both !OpenOffice.org and the related tooling projects support the OASIS Open Document Format, and will attract an ecosystem of developers, ISVs and Systems Integrators. ODF ensures the users of !OpenOffice.org and related solutions will own their document data, and be free to choose the application or solution that best meets their requirements. The !OpenOffice.org implementation will serve as a reference implementation of the Open Document Format standard. = Current Status = == Meritocracy == We understand the intention and value of meritocracy at Apache. We are particularly gratified to learn, during the discussion on this proposal, that there is a strong role for non-coders to participate in this meritocracy and as they demonstrate their
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Please ignore my vote below (duplicate). I first used the wrong email address, which is not subscribed, then used the correct one, and didn't expect that someone would moderate the list and let the first one through... Malte. On 11.06.2011 17:59, Malte Timmermann wrote: +1 (non-binding) Malte. On 10.06.2011 19:05, Sam Ruby wrote: [X] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation - Sam Ruby - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
+1 Ralph On Jun 10, 2011, at 9:02 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE] As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an Apache Incubator project. At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here is a link to the document in the wiki: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recallrev=207 As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to scan and review the archives for this month: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser Please cast your votes: [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation This vote will close 72 hours from now. - Sam Ruby = OpenOffice.org - An open productivity environment = == Abstract == !OpenOffice.org is comprised of six personal productivity applications: a word processor (and its web-authoring component), spreadsheet, presentation graphics, drawing, equation editor, and database. !OpenOffice.org is released on Windows, Solaris, Linux and Macintosh operation systems, with more [[http://porting.openoffice.org/|communities]] joining, including a mature [[http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/|FreeBSD port]]. !OpenOffice.org is localized, supporting over 110 languages worldwide. == Proposal == Apache !OpenOffice.org will continue the mission pursued by the !OpenOffice.org project while under the sponsorship of Sun and Oracle, namely: To create, as a community, the leading international office suite that will run on all major platforms and provide access to all functionality and data through open-component based APIs and an XML-based file format. In addition to to building the !OpenOffice.org product, as an end-user facing product with many existing individual and corporate users, this project will also be active in supporting end-users via tutorials, user forums, document template repositories, etc. The project will also work to further enable !OpenOffice.org to be used as a programmable module in document automation scenarios. == Background == !OpenOffice.org was launched as an open source project by Sun Microsystems in June 2000. !OpenOffice.org was originally developed under the name of StarOffice by Star Division, a German company, which was acquired by Sun Microsystems in 1999. Sun released this as open source in 2000. !OpenOffice.org is the leading alternative to MS-Office available. Its most recent major version, the 3.x series saw over [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|100 million downloads]] in its first year. The [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|most recent estimates]] suggest a market share on the order of 8-15%. The !OpenOffice source is written in C++ and delivers language-neutral and scriptable functionality. This source technology introduces the next-stage architecture, allowing use of the suite elements as separate applications or as embedded components in other applications. Numerous other features are also present including XML-based file formats based on the vendor-neutral !OpenDocument Format (ODF) standard from OASIS and other resources. == Rationale == !OpenOffice.org core development would continue at Apache following the contribution by Oracle, in accordance with Apache bylaws and its usual open development processes. Both Oracle and ASF agree that the !OpenOffice.org development community, previously fragmented, would re-unite under ASF to ensure a stable and long term future for OpenOffice.org. ASF would enable corporate, non-profit, and volunteer stakeholders to contribute code in a collaborative fashion. Supporting tooling projects will accompany the !OpenOffice.org contribution, providing APIs for extending and customizing !OpenOffice.org. Both !OpenOffice.org and the related tooling projects support the OASIS Open Document Format, and will attract an ecosystem of developers, ISVs and Systems Integrators. ODF ensures the users of !OpenOffice.org and related solutions will own their document data, and be free to choose the application or solution that best meets their requirements. The !OpenOffice.org implementation will serve as a reference implementation of the Open Document Format standard. = Current Status = == Meritocracy == We understand the intention and value of meritocracy at Apache. We are particularly gratified to learn, during the discussion on this proposal, that there is a strong role for non-coders to participate in this meritocracy and as they demonstrate their sustained commitment and merit, to take on
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
[X] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation (binding). -- Regards, Cordialement, Emmanuel Lécharny www.iktek.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Hi, I am wearing my OOo-hat here, and this is my vote: [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation [X ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation I have contributed to OpenOffice.org for several years and I doubt that the project will find the needed resources at Apache. Bye Volker - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
[DISCUSSION] (was: RE: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation)
-Original Message- From: Volker Merschmann [mailto:merschm...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, 11 June 2011 6:49 PM To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation Hi, I am wearing my OOo-hat here, and this is my vote: [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation [X ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation I have contributed to OpenOffice.org for several years and I doubt that the project will find the needed resources at Apache. Hi Volker, Please tell us what sort of 'resources' are you talking about, examples please, are these infrastructure resources? If so, as an infra person here at the ASF I would like some insight into what people think we dont have or cannot handle. I have been researching myself online and with other folks including OOo infra admins and so far I havent found anything to make me think that this cannot be done at an infrastructure level. Gav... Bye Volker - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSSION] (was: RE: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation)
Hi Gavin, Op 11-6-2011 10:59, Gavin McDonald schreef: -Original Message- From: Volker Merschmann [mailto:merschm...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, 11 June 2011 6:49 PM To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation Hi, I am wearing my OOo-hat here, and this is my vote: [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation [X ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation I have contributed to OpenOffice.org for several years and I doubt that the project will find the needed resources at Apache. Hi Volker, Please tell us what sort of 'resources' are you talking about, examples please, are these infrastructure resources? If so, as an infra person here at the ASF I would like some insight into what people think we don’t have or cannot handle. I'm not answering for Volker, but personally I see a big problem in the fact that the installation packages of OpenOffice.org as we know it today contain numerous external (mostly LGPL) libraries and binaries that are not ASL licensed and not covered under the Oracle grant. As I understand, it is strict ASF policy not to distribute binaries containing non-ASL source, and it will be far from trivial to replace those dependencies. Therefore I expect that, even if OpenOffice.org can be built and distributed under these restrictions, it will be severely crippled for a long time to come. I foresee that many (prospective) OpenOffice.org-users will lose interest and that we won't be able to regain the momentum. -- Vriendelijke groet, Simon Brouwer. | http://nl.openoffice.org | http://www.opentaal.org | - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an Apache Incubator project. +1 from me (binding). cheers, Leo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
+0 (non-binding) I would likely have voted +1 if there were no existing Open Source community behind LibreOffice. The alleged(!) necessity to remove/replace LGPL libraries not covered by the Oracle grant will not result in an improved free office suite but only in delays and further incompatibilities with LibreOffice. Cheers, Andreas --- [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
-1 (non-binding) Within the discussion several reasons that might support a -1 vote were named, many have been addressed or may be addresed by the podling. I still feel obligated to vote -1 because (even if the podling advances to a Apache TLP) this will be the end of OpenOffice.org as it is seen within the market. Actually OpenOffice.org is an application with a user base of 50Mio to 100Mio users. And these users have their hands on the software day by day - so this is really different from zlib, which hardly any of it's users would know by name. Many administrations and companies have choosen OpenOffice.org as their office suite (we are speaking of installation from 10 up to 50k and more seats). There is a market around OpenOffice.org (books, support offerings, trainings, software integrations with mid-range ERP systems, even SAP is aware of the fact that OOo exists and had to deliver some ways of integration). All this market is about *OpenOffice.org* it is *not* about derivates. Although Rob tried to give the impression that there are oh so many OOo derivates, the reality is, that the Office marked is ~89% MSO, 10% OOo and 1% for all the others. Even the better known derivates of OOo (StarOffice and Symphony) are far behind the visibility of the OpenOffice.org brand. Rob did also an interesting analysis, that there is no need to come up quite fast with a new version of OOo, because there has been almost a year between the previous versions. While the fact is true, my resumee is different. During the last two years, we already saw the OOo marked in an uncertain situation - planned versions had been delayed for several reasons, nobody was able to answer, what the future would bring. Users and adopters became anxious. OpenOffice.org 3.4 was scheduled for May/June 2011 - yet another delay will not help the marked to prosper. Instead the OOo marked will go from stagnation to shrink. Even if the podling will be able to produce a new version quite soon, it will be very different from the software we currently know as OpenOffice.org (at least from what I understand to be Apache's guidelines for software distribution). Integration to third party components needs to be rewritten or dropped - even simple things like preinstalled dictionaries (sounds really a no-brainer to a developer) are crucial for the marked that the current OOo addresses. So to me, there is an extremely high risk that the Apache project will not fullfill the expectations of the current OOo user base. Although fully in line with the Apache guidelines and philosophy, it might fail, because 99.99% of the users are not interested in policy and guidelines - they just are interested in what they get (and if it is not Coke it is no Cola). I hope, this will not reflect to Apache's reputation after all. All that said, I perfectly know that the OOo project cannot continue like it did the last ten years, so something needs to change. And although I am opposed to the project here at Apache I owe respect to anyone who is going to drive this and will be around to give input if needed. regards, André PS.: As I did not yet send an introduction to the list, some information - Working with Office Suites since 1988 - Joined the OOo project in 2002, starting with user support and documentations - Co-Lead at the Germanophone project (having a great time with Manfred and felt very sad when he left) - later Project lead for Quality assurance (quite active in bug handling and one of the first non-Sunnies to work on the scripts for test automation) - elected Member of the OOo Community Council for several years (e.g. reworking the CC's bylaws for it's current version) - coordinating the German Localization efforts (and doing about 50% of the UI translations since OOo 3.0) - representing OOo and giving talks at at least 4 public events per year (like CEBit, LinuxTag, LinuxDay, OOoCon) - founding member, member of the initial board and now member of the supervisory board of FrODev (former OOoDeV) - founding member of The Document Foundation, member of the interim Steering Committe, member of the Membership Committee Although my premise when entering OOo was that I will do anything but coding (as I do enough coding during my day job) there are ~20 Lines of code in OOo written by me :) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 12:02 AM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation -1. I think by accepting this ASF is risking quite a lot of flak and reputational damage. We have too much baggage from IBM/Oracle in recent past, to be played like this. Not seeing the deal being struck between this and Harmony, or ignoring it, is a great injustice to those individuals that put in their sweat in Harmony. I sincerely think that this incubation will fail. I think IBM will spend most 'innovation' in their downstream project and quite quickly we will have a disrupted OpenOffice.org landscape, without any shippable binaries for many platforms. FTR, I hope that TDF will reconsider the stance on the Apache License and joins this effort as an equal partner, in which case I applaud those who made this happen and I would stand corrected. Prove me wrong!! Cheers -- Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer http://www.qi4j.org - New Energy for Java I live here; http://tinyurl.com/3xugrbk I work here; http://tinyurl.com/24svnvk I relax here; http://tinyurl.com/2cgsug - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Yes, and I also like to correct my previous statement: I actually meant that ALL votes are welcome (not only +1)! LieGrue, strub --- On Fri, 6/10/11, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name wrote: From: Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name Subject: Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation To: general@incubator.apache.org Date: Friday, June 10, 2011, 10:43 PM Mark Struberg wrote on Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 23:09:21 +0100: PS: I fear there is a misunderstanding regarding binding vs non-binding votes. Binding votes can only be cast by a IncubatorPMC member [1]. But of course, also non-binding +1 are welcome ;) I'm going to be less roundabout: Roman's vote is not binding since he's not on the IPMC. --- On Fri, 6/10/11, Roman H. Gelbort ro...@piensalibre.com.ar wrote: From: Roman H. Gelbort ro...@piensalibre.com.ar Subject: Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation To: general@incubator.apache.org Date: Friday, June 10, 2011, 6:13 PM El 10/06/11 14:17, Roman H. Gelbort escribió: +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation and binding -- --- Prof. Román H. Gelbort No busquemos aplicaciones que reemplacen aplicaciones, sino aplicaciones que resuelvan problemas específicos... http://www.piensalibre.com.ar --- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
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This is such a difficult call. Will OOo at Apache take off sufficiently to contribute something of value to the ecosystem, or will it fail, taking goodwill with it? Will it create division in the community, or does that division already exist, and creating the podling will simply make the fact of a division clearer, and therefore easier to work with? Without the ability to see the future, I cannot fully answer these questions. However, reading all of the threads on the topic, I come to the conclusion that it is worth a try. Therefore, I vote +1, and wish all participants well and hope we can make something excellent from this opportunity, something that benefits all within the wider OOo community. So +1 to this proposal. Upayavira On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 12:02 -0400, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE] As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an Apache Incubator project. At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here is a link to the document in the wiki: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recallrev=207 As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to scan and review the archives for this month: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser Please cast your votes: [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation This vote will close 72 hours from now. - Sam Ruby = OpenOffice.org - An open productivity environment = == Abstract == !OpenOffice.org is comprised of six personal productivity applications: a word processor (and its web-authoring component), spreadsheet, presentation graphics, drawing, equation editor, and database. !OpenOffice.org is released on Windows, Solaris, Linux and Macintosh operation systems, with more [[http://porting.openoffice.org/|communities]] joining, including a mature [[http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/|FreeBSD port]]. !OpenOffice.org is localized, supporting over 110 languages worldwide. == Proposal == Apache !OpenOffice.org will continue the mission pursued by the !OpenOffice.org project while under the sponsorship of Sun and Oracle, namely: To create, as a community, the leading international office suite that will run on all major platforms and provide access to all functionality and data through open-component based APIs and an XML-based file format. In addition to to building the !OpenOffice.org product, as an end-user facing product with many existing individual and corporate users, this project will also be active in supporting end-users via tutorials, user forums, document template repositories, etc. The project will also work to further enable !OpenOffice.org to be used as a programmable module in document automation scenarios. == Background == !OpenOffice.org was launched as an open source project by Sun Microsystems in June 2000. !OpenOffice.org was originally developed under the name of StarOffice by Star Division, a German company, which was acquired by Sun Microsystems in 1999. Sun released this as open source in 2000. !OpenOffice.org is the leading alternative to MS-Office available. Its most recent major version, the 3.x series saw over [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|100 million downloads]] in its first year. The [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|most recent estimates]] suggest a market share on the order of 8-15%. The !OpenOffice source is written in C++ and delivers language-neutral and scriptable functionality. This source technology introduces the next-stage architecture, allowing use of the suite elements as separate applications or as embedded components in other applications. Numerous other features are also present including XML-based file formats based on the vendor-neutral !OpenDocument Format (ODF) standard from OASIS and other resources. == Rationale == !OpenOffice.org core development would continue at Apache following the contribution by Oracle, in accordance with Apache bylaws and its usual open development processes. Both Oracle and ASF agree that the !OpenOffice.org development community, previously fragmented, would re-unite under ASF to ensure a stable and long term future for OpenOffice.org. ASF would enable corporate, non-profit, and volunteer stakeholders to contribute code in a collaborative fashion. Supporting tooling projects will accompany the !OpenOffice.org contribution, providing APIs for extending and customizing !OpenOffice.org. Both !OpenOffice.org and the related tooling
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
-1 (non-binding) As stated elsewhere [1], this incubator, combined with the disruption and delay it's causing to the OOo ecosystem, does not add enough unique value to what we already have a TDF to justify the effort. (I'm referring to the existing proposal's mission statement [2], not to the (quite sensible) visions invididuals have presented here) [1] http://blog.thebehrens.net/2011/06/11/licensing-questions-and-the-ecosystem/ [2] http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal#Proposal Cheers, -- Thorsten pgpCzgEcfSDnv.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Hi Sam, On Jun 10, 2011, at 9:02 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: [X] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation (binding). Good luck! Cheers, Chris ++ Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. Senior Computer Scientist NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ ++ Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA ++ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
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+1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation (non-binding) At first I thought beeing on the committers list would imply my approval of the proposal. But now I'd like to give the reasons for my vote as so many others did: (All just my point of view as an suburban inhabitant of the old OOo community) TDF was and is important for the OpenOffice.org community and did and does a great job. TDF came into existence just as many people of the OOo community saw the project and the community in danger - to give a new home to OOo. But still other parts of the community remain some kind of homeless. So I think before the different parts of the community could collaborate, approximate or even reunite, the homeless need a new home and I do not see another place now - especially no better one - as the ASF. Looking at the discussion of the last days I see many valid arguments on both sides and a level of approximation I would not have considered possible before. So please let that evolve and don't cancel it before it has begun. I would find it sad to see only parts of the experience represented on the committers list ( not my little bit ;-) ) beeing lost for OOo. My understanding of the Apache Incubator is that it is a place to see in reality if all the might-be and if is valid or not (might be wrong with it?). So I would be curious to see the things coming. Thank you for your time Christoph - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
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+1 (non-binding) /-/-/-/-/-/ Scott Wilson - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
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+1 (non-binding) Malte. On 10.06.2011 19:05, Sam Ruby wrote: [X] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation - Sam Ruby - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
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+1 (non-binding) Malte. On 10.06.2011 19:05, Sam Ruby wrote: [X] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation - Sam Ruby - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
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[x] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation Eric On 10/06/11 18:02, Sam Ruby wrote: *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE] As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an Apache Incubator project. At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here is a link to the document in the wiki: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recallrev=207 As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to scan and review the archives for this month: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser Please cast your votes: [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation This vote will close 72 hours from now. - Sam Ruby = OpenOffice.org - An open productivity environment = == Abstract == !OpenOffice.org is comprised of six personal productivity applications: a word processor (and its web-authoring component), spreadsheet, presentation graphics, drawing, equation editor, and database. !OpenOffice.org is released on Windows, Solaris, Linux and Macintosh operation systems, with more [[http://porting.openoffice.org/|communities]] joining, including a mature [[http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/|FreeBSD port]]. !OpenOffice.org is localized, supporting over 110 languages worldwide. == Proposal == Apache !OpenOffice.org will continue the mission pursued by the !OpenOffice.org project while under the sponsorship of Sun and Oracle, namely: To create, as a community, the leading international office suite that will run on all major platforms and provide access to all functionality and data through open-component based APIs and an XML-based file format. In addition to to building the !OpenOffice.org product, as an end-user facing product with many existing individual and corporate users, this project will also be active in supporting end-users via tutorials, user forums, document template repositories, etc. The project will also work to further enable !OpenOffice.org to be used as a programmable module in document automation scenarios. == Background == !OpenOffice.org was launched as an open source project by Sun Microsystems in June 2000. !OpenOffice.org was originally developed under the name of StarOffice by Star Division, a German company, which was acquired by Sun Microsystems in 1999. Sun released this as open source in 2000. !OpenOffice.org is the leading alternative to MS-Office available. Its most recent major version, the 3.x series saw over [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|100 million downloads]] in its first year. The [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|most recent estimates]] suggest a market share on the order of 8-15%. The !OpenOffice source is written in C++ and delivers language-neutral and scriptable functionality. This source technology introduces the next-stage architecture, allowing use of the suite elements as separate applications or as embedded components in other applications. Numerous other features are also present including XML-based file formats based on the vendor-neutral !OpenDocument Format (ODF) standard from OASIS and other resources. == Rationale == !OpenOffice.org core development would continue at Apache following the contribution by Oracle, in accordance with Apache bylaws and its usual open development processes. Both Oracle and ASF agree that the !OpenOffice.org development community, previously fragmented, would re-unite under ASF to ensure a stable and long term future for OpenOffice.org. ASF would enable corporate, non-profit, and volunteer stakeholders to contribute code in a collaborative fashion. Supporting tooling projects will accompany the !OpenOffice.org contribution, providing APIs for extending and customizing !OpenOffice.org. Both !OpenOffice.org and the related tooling projects support the OASIS Open Document Format, and will attract an ecosystem of developers, ISVs and Systems Integrators. ODF ensures the users of !OpenOffice.org and related solutions will own their document data, and be free to choose the application or solution that best meets their requirements. The !OpenOffice.org implementation will serve as a reference implementation of the Open Document Format standard. = Current Status = == Meritocracy == We understand the intention and value of meritocracy at Apache. We are particularly gratified to learn, during the discussion on this proposal, that there is a strong role for non-coders to participate in this meritocracy and as they demonstrate their sustained commitment and merit, to take on additional community responsibilities. The initial developers are very familiar with open source development, both at Apache and
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+1 (non-binding) - Don Harbison Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote on 06/10/2011 12:02:44 PM: Please cast your votes: [ X] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation This vote will close 72 hours from now. - Sam Ruby
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+1 (binding) Dick On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 10:06 PM, donald_harbi...@us.ibm.com wrote: +1 (non-binding) - Don Harbison Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote on 06/10/2011 12:02:44 PM: Please cast your votes: [ X] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation This vote will close 72 hours from now. - Sam Ruby - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
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[x] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation (non-binding) I would like to humbly beg you people from Apache for giving a chance to those who are willing to join you. I am deeply sorry that we are bringing a big political dispute with us. My hope is that the community that was so heavily divided last year will be able to reunite on your neutral ground. Thanks! Ingrid von der Mehden - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
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+1 (non-binding). I'm not concerned by any the ASF don't do XYZ - there's very little centralization and the pressure will mostly be on the Incubator and then later members@ to ensure 'the Apache way' isn't closeted to programmers. It is a large project; but so what? I thought Harmony had no chance of being coded and that went very quickly, showing how well maximum openness can walk the path between corporate, startup and hobby needs. I was initially concerned by the Libre side of things. Were Oracle looking to suckerpunch Apache? Were we going to smile and take it for a random set of bytes (code over community; which we know is bad)? As I dig more I am less concerned by this. It's sad that Libre and Open would be separate, but that's a sadness that pervades our communities. Free and Open are unable to find a compromise (cf: Linuxes BSDs) and this is just more of the same. We talk about 'the community' in reference to Libre, but dual-licensing models have two communities - you can't spin one off and forget the other. So +1 to OpenOffice@Apache. It creates a contribution model to LibreOffice, without scaring away the big potential contributors with undesirable licensing. Hen On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 9:02 AM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE] As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an Apache Incubator project. At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here is a link to the document in the wiki: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recallrev=207 As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to scan and review the archives for this month: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser Please cast your votes: [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation This vote will close 72 hours from now. - Sam Ruby = OpenOffice.org - An open productivity environment = == Abstract == !OpenOffice.org is comprised of six personal productivity applications: a word processor (and its web-authoring component), spreadsheet, presentation graphics, drawing, equation editor, and database. !OpenOffice.org is released on Windows, Solaris, Linux and Macintosh operation systems, with more [[http://porting.openoffice.org/|communities]] joining, including a mature [[http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/|FreeBSD port]]. !OpenOffice.org is localized, supporting over 110 languages worldwide. == Proposal == Apache !OpenOffice.org will continue the mission pursued by the !OpenOffice.org project while under the sponsorship of Sun and Oracle, namely: To create, as a community, the leading international office suite that will run on all major platforms and provide access to all functionality and data through open-component based APIs and an XML-based file format. In addition to to building the !OpenOffice.org product, as an end-user facing product with many existing individual and corporate users, this project will also be active in supporting end-users via tutorials, user forums, document template repositories, etc. The project will also work to further enable !OpenOffice.org to be used as a programmable module in document automation scenarios. == Background == !OpenOffice.org was launched as an open source project by Sun Microsystems in June 2000. !OpenOffice.org was originally developed under the name of StarOffice by Star Division, a German company, which was acquired by Sun Microsystems in 1999. Sun released this as open source in 2000. !OpenOffice.org is the leading alternative to MS-Office available. Its most recent major version, the 3.x series saw over [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|100 million downloads]] in its first year. The [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|most recent estimates]] suggest a market share on the order of 8-15%. The !OpenOffice source is written in C++ and delivers language-neutral and scriptable functionality. This source technology introduces the next-stage architecture, allowing use of the suite elements as separate applications or as embedded components in other applications. Numerous other features are also present including XML-based file formats based on the vendor-neutral !OpenDocument Format (ODF) standard from OASIS and other resources. == Rationale == !OpenOffice.org core development would continue at Apache following the contribution by Oracle, in accordance with Apache bylaws and its usual open development processes. Both Oracle and ASF agree that the !OpenOffice.org development community, previously fragmented, would
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
[X] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation (non-binding) I like the Apache license and I think having a really free alternative is good for everyone, as much as clang vs gcc and linux vs FreeBSD. Apache is also a good fit for OO technologically and I think the incubation process will end up benefiting libreoffice by either code adoption and by providing further motivation to keep being relevant. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
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+1 - binding Regards, Alan On Jun 10, 2011, at 9:02 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE] As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an Apache Incubator project. At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here is a link to the document in the wiki: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recallrev=207 As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to scan and review the archives for this month: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser Please cast your votes: [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation This vote will close 72 hours from now. - Sam Ruby = OpenOffice.org - An open productivity environment = == Abstract == !OpenOffice.org is comprised of six personal productivity applications: a word processor (and its web-authoring component), spreadsheet, presentation graphics, drawing, equation editor, and database. !OpenOffice.org is released on Windows, Solaris, Linux and Macintosh operation systems, with more [[http://porting.openoffice.org/|communities]] joining, including a mature [[http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/|FreeBSD port]]. !OpenOffice.org is localized, supporting over 110 languages worldwide. == Proposal == Apache !OpenOffice.org will continue the mission pursued by the !OpenOffice.org project while under the sponsorship of Sun and Oracle, namely: To create, as a community, the leading international office suite that will run on all major platforms and provide access to all functionality and data through open-component based APIs and an XML-based file format. In addition to to building the !OpenOffice.org product, as an end-user facing product with many existing individual and corporate users, this project will also be active in supporting end-users via tutorials, user forums, document template repositories, etc. The project will also work to further enable !OpenOffice.org to be used as a programmable module in document automation scenarios. == Background == !OpenOffice.org was launched as an open source project by Sun Microsystems in June 2000. !OpenOffice.org was originally developed under the name of StarOffice by Star Division, a German company, which was acquired by Sun Microsystems in 1999. Sun released this as open source in 2000. !OpenOffice.org is the leading alternative to MS-Office available. Its most recent major version, the 3.x series saw over [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|100 million downloads]] in its first year. The [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|most recent estimates]] suggest a market share on the order of 8-15%. The !OpenOffice source is written in C++ and delivers language-neutral and scriptable functionality. This source technology introduces the next-stage architecture, allowing use of the suite elements as separate applications or as embedded components in other applications. Numerous other features are also present including XML-based file formats based on the vendor-neutral !OpenDocument Format (ODF) standard from OASIS and other resources. == Rationale == !OpenOffice.org core development would continue at Apache following the contribution by Oracle, in accordance with Apache bylaws and its usual open development processes. Both Oracle and ASF agree that the !OpenOffice.org development community, previously fragmented, would re-unite under ASF to ensure a stable and long term future for OpenOffice.org. ASF would enable corporate, non-profit, and volunteer stakeholders to contribute code in a collaborative fashion. Supporting tooling projects will accompany the !OpenOffice.org contribution, providing APIs for extending and customizing !OpenOffice.org. Both !OpenOffice.org and the related tooling projects support the OASIS Open Document Format, and will attract an ecosystem of developers, ISVs and Systems Integrators. ODF ensures the users of !OpenOffice.org and related solutions will own their document data, and be free to choose the application or solution that best meets their requirements. The !OpenOffice.org implementation will serve as a reference implementation of the Open Document Format standard. = Current Status = == Meritocracy == We understand the intention and value of meritocracy at Apache. We are particularly gratified to learn, during the discussion on this proposal, that there is a strong role for non-coders to participate in this meritocracy and as they demonstrate their sustained commitment and merit,
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On Fri, 10 Jun 2011, Sam Ruby wrote: Please cast your votes: I'm +1 If accepted, I'll try to help out with the podling, but alas I've not got time at the moment to take on a full mentorship role of it. Nick - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
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Please cast your votes: [ +1 ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation Danese
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[X] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation On 6/10/11 12:02 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE] As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an Apache Incubator project. At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here is a link to the document in the wiki: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recallrev=207 As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to scan and review the archives for this month: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser Please cast your votes: [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation This vote will close 72 hours from now. - Sam Ruby = OpenOffice.org - An open productivity environment = == Abstract == !OpenOffice.org is comprised of six personal productivity applications: a word processor (and its web-authoring component), spreadsheet, presentation graphics, drawing, equation editor, and database. !OpenOffice.org is released on Windows, Solaris, Linux and Macintosh operation systems, with more [[http://porting.openoffice.org/|communities]] joining, including a mature [[http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/|FreeBSD port]]. !OpenOffice.org is localized, supporting over 110 languages worldwide. == Proposal == Apache !OpenOffice.org will continue the mission pursued by the !OpenOffice.org project while under the sponsorship of Sun and Oracle, namely: To create, as a community, the leading international office suite that will run on all major platforms and provide access to all functionality and data through open-component based APIs and an XML-based file format. In addition to to building the !OpenOffice.org product, as an end-user facing product with many existing individual and corporate users, this project will also be active in supporting end-users via tutorials, user forums, document template repositories, etc. The project will also work to further enable !OpenOffice.org to be used as a programmable module in document automation scenarios. == Background == !OpenOffice.org was launched as an open source project by Sun Microsystems in June 2000. !OpenOffice.org was originally developed under the name of StarOffice by Star Division, a German company, which was acquired by Sun Microsystems in 1999. Sun released this as open source in 2000. !OpenOffice.org is the leading alternative to MS-Office available. Its most recent major version, the 3.x series saw over [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|100 million downloads]] in its first year. The [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|most recent estimates]] suggest a market share on the order of 8-15%. The !OpenOffice source is written in C++ and delivers language-neutral and scriptable functionality. This source technology introduces the next-stage architecture, allowing use of the suite elements as separate applications or as embedded components in other applications. Numerous other features are also present including XML-based file formats based on the vendor-neutral !OpenDocument Format (ODF) standard from OASIS and other resources. == Rationale == !OpenOffice.org core development would continue at Apache following the contribution by Oracle, in accordance with Apache bylaws and its usual open development processes. Both Oracle and ASF agree that the !OpenOffice.org development community, previously fragmented, would re-unite under ASF to ensure a stable and long term future for OpenOffice.org. ASF would enable corporate, non-profit, and volunteer stakeholders to contribute code in a collaborative fashion. Supporting tooling projects will accompany the !OpenOffice.org contribution, providing APIs for extending and customizing !OpenOffice.org. Both !OpenOffice.org and the related tooling projects support the OASIS Open Document Format, and will attract an ecosystem of developers, ISVs and Systems Integrators. ODF ensures the users of !OpenOffice.org and related solutions will own their document data, and be free to choose the application or solution that best meets their requirements. The !OpenOffice.org implementation will serve as a reference implementation of the Open Document Format standard. = Current Status = == Meritocracy == We understand the intention and value of meritocracy at Apache. We are particularly gratified to learn, during the discussion on this proposal, that there is a strong role for non-coders to participate in this meritocracy and as they demonstrate their sustained commitment and merit, to take on additional community responsibilities. The initial
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On 6/10/2011 11:02 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: Please cast your votes: [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation +1 [binding] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
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+1 (non-binding) -- With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями, Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов, http://dataved.ru/ +7 916 562 8095 On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 8:20 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: On 6/10/2011 11:02 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: Please cast your votes: [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation +1 [binding] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
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[X] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation (binding) On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 12:20 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: On 6/10/2011 11:02 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: Please cast your votes: [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation +1 [binding] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org -- Davanum Srinivas :: http://davanum.wordpress.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
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+1 non-binding On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE] As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an Apache Incubator project. At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here is a link to the document in the wiki: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recallrev=207 As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to scan and review the archives for this month: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser Please cast your votes: [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation This vote will close 72 hours from now. - Sam Ruby = OpenOffice.org - An open productivity environment = == Abstract == !OpenOffice.org is comprised of six personal productivity applications: a word processor (and its web-authoring component), spreadsheet, presentation graphics, drawing, equation editor, and database. !OpenOffice.org is released on Windows, Solaris, Linux and Macintosh operation systems, with more [[http://porting.openoffice.org/|communities]] joining, including a mature [[http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/|FreeBSD port]]. !OpenOffice.org is localized, supporting over 110 languages worldwide. == Proposal == Apache !OpenOffice.org will continue the mission pursued by the !OpenOffice.org project while under the sponsorship of Sun and Oracle, namely: To create, as a community, the leading international office suite that will run on all major platforms and provide access to all functionality and data through open-component based APIs and an XML-based file format. In addition to to building the !OpenOffice.org product, as an end-user facing product with many existing individual and corporate users, this project will also be active in supporting end-users via tutorials, user forums, document template repositories, etc. The project will also work to further enable !OpenOffice.org to be used as a programmable module in document automation scenarios. == Background == !OpenOffice.org was launched as an open source project by Sun Microsystems in June 2000. !OpenOffice.org was originally developed under the name of StarOffice by Star Division, a German company, which was acquired by Sun Microsystems in 1999. Sun released this as open source in 2000. !OpenOffice.org is the leading alternative to MS-Office available. Its most recent major version, the 3.x series saw over [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|100 million downloads]] in its first year. The [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|most recent estimates]] suggest a market share on the order of 8-15%. The !OpenOffice source is written in C++ and delivers language-neutral and scriptable functionality. This source technology introduces the next-stage architecture, allowing use of the suite elements as separate applications or as embedded components in other applications. Numerous other features are also present including XML-based file formats based on the vendor-neutral !OpenDocument Format (ODF) standard from OASIS and other resources. == Rationale == !OpenOffice.org core development would continue at Apache following the contribution by Oracle, in accordance with Apache bylaws and its usual open development processes. Both Oracle and ASF agree that the !OpenOffice.org development community, previously fragmented, would re-unite under ASF to ensure a stable and long term future for OpenOffice.org. ASF would enable corporate, non-profit, and volunteer stakeholders to contribute code in a collaborative fashion. Supporting tooling projects will accompany the !OpenOffice.org contribution, providing APIs for extending and customizing !OpenOffice.org. Both !OpenOffice.org and the related tooling projects support the OASIS Open Document Format, and will attract an ecosystem of developers, ISVs and Systems Integrators. ODF ensures the users of !OpenOffice.org and related solutions will own their document data, and be free to choose the application or solution that best meets their requirements. The !OpenOffice.org implementation will serve as a reference implementation of the Open Document Format standard. = Current Status = == Meritocracy == We understand the intention and value of meritocracy at Apache. We are particularly gratified to learn, during the discussion on this proposal, that there is a strong role for non-coders to participate in this meritocracy and as they demonstrate their sustained commitment and merit, to take on additional community responsibilities.
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On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 12:02 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: Please cast your votes: [X ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation This vote will close 72 hours from now. (non-binding) Phil
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-1, as I feel this is not in the best interests of the world but rather of a few powers. (Officially I'm on the incubator PMC I believe but I have not been active .. so lets chalk this up for non-binding.) Sanjiva. On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 9:32 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE] As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an Apache Incubator project. At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here is a link to the document in the wiki: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recallrev=207 As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to scan and review the archives for this month: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser Please cast your votes: [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation This vote will close 72 hours from now. - Sam Ruby = OpenOffice.org - An open productivity environment = == Abstract == !OpenOffice.org is comprised of six personal productivity applications: a word processor (and its web-authoring component), spreadsheet, presentation graphics, drawing, equation editor, and database. !OpenOffice.org is released on Windows, Solaris, Linux and Macintosh operation systems, with more [[http://porting.openoffice.org/|communities]] joining, including a mature [[http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/|FreeBSD port]]. !OpenOffice.org is localized, supporting over 110 languages worldwide. == Proposal == Apache !OpenOffice.org will continue the mission pursued by the !OpenOffice.org project while under the sponsorship of Sun and Oracle, namely: To create, as a community, the leading international office suite that will run on all major platforms and provide access to all functionality and data through open-component based APIs and an XML-based file format. In addition to to building the !OpenOffice.org product, as an end-user facing product with many existing individual and corporate users, this project will also be active in supporting end-users via tutorials, user forums, document template repositories, etc. The project will also work to further enable !OpenOffice.org to be used as a programmable module in document automation scenarios. == Background == !OpenOffice.org was launched as an open source project by Sun Microsystems in June 2000. !OpenOffice.org was originally developed under the name of StarOffice by Star Division, a German company, which was acquired by Sun Microsystems in 1999. Sun released this as open source in 2000. !OpenOffice.org is the leading alternative to MS-Office available. Its most recent major version, the 3.x series saw over [[ http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|100million downloads]] in its first year. The [[ http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|mostrecent estimates]] suggest a market share on the order of 8-15%. The !OpenOffice source is written in C++ and delivers language-neutral and scriptable functionality. This source technology introduces the next-stage architecture, allowing use of the suite elements as separate applications or as embedded components in other applications. Numerous other features are also present including XML-based file formats based on the vendor-neutral !OpenDocument Format (ODF) standard from OASIS and other resources. == Rationale == !OpenOffice.org core development would continue at Apache following the contribution by Oracle, in accordance with Apache bylaws and its usual open development processes. Both Oracle and ASF agree that the !OpenOffice.org development community, previously fragmented, would re-unite under ASF to ensure a stable and long term future for OpenOffice.org. ASF would enable corporate, non-profit, and volunteer stakeholders to contribute code in a collaborative fashion. Supporting tooling projects will accompany the !OpenOffice.org contribution, providing APIs for extending and customizing !OpenOffice.org. Both !OpenOffice.org and the related tooling projects support the OASIS Open Document Format, and will attract an ecosystem of developers, ISVs and Systems Integrators. ODF ensures the users of !OpenOffice.org and related solutions will own their document data, and be free to choose the application or solution that best meets their requirements. The !OpenOffice.org implementation will serve as a reference implementation of the Open Document Format standard. = Current Status = == Meritocracy == We understand the intention and value of meritocracy at Apache. We are particularly gratified to learn, during the discussion on
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
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+1 - richard On 6/10/11 12:02, Sam Ruby wrote: *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE] As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an Apache Incubator project. At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here is a link to the document in the wiki: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recallrev=207 As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to scan and review the archives for this month: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser Please cast your votes: [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation This vote will close 72 hours from now. - Sam Ruby = OpenOffice.org - An open productivity environment = == Abstract == !OpenOffice.org is comprised of six personal productivity applications: a word processor (and its web-authoring component), spreadsheet, presentation graphics, drawing, equation editor, and database. !OpenOffice.org is released on Windows, Solaris, Linux and Macintosh operation systems, with more [[http://porting.openoffice.org/|communities]] joining, including a mature [[http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/|FreeBSD port]]. !OpenOffice.org is localized, supporting over 110 languages worldwide. == Proposal == Apache !OpenOffice.org will continue the mission pursued by the !OpenOffice.org project while under the sponsorship of Sun and Oracle, namely: To create, as a community, the leading international office suite that will run on all major platforms and provide access to all functionality and data through open-component based APIs and an XML-based file format. In addition to to building the !OpenOffice.org product, as an end-user facing product with many existing individual and corporate users, this project will also be active in supporting end-users via tutorials, user forums, document template repositories, etc. The project will also work to further enable !OpenOffice.org to be used as a programmable module in document automation scenarios. == Background == !OpenOffice.org was launched as an open source project by Sun Microsystems in June 2000. !OpenOffice.org was originally developed under the name of StarOffice by Star Division, a German company, which was acquired by Sun Microsystems in 1999. Sun released this as open source in 2000. !OpenOffice.org is the leading alternative to MS-Office available. Its most recent major version, the 3.x series saw over [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|100 million downloads]] in its first year. The [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|most recent estimates]] suggest a market share on the order of 8-15%. The !OpenOffice source is written in C++ and delivers language-neutral and scriptable functionality. This source technology introduces the next-stage architecture, allowing use of the suite elements as separate applications or as embedded components in other applications. Numerous other features are also present including XML-based file formats based on the vendor-neutral !OpenDocument Format (ODF) standard from OASIS and other resources. == Rationale == !OpenOffice.org core development would continue at Apache following the contribution by Oracle, in accordance with Apache bylaws and its usual open development processes. Both Oracle and ASF agree that the !OpenOffice.org development community, previously fragmented, would re-unite under ASF to ensure a stable and long term future for OpenOffice.org. ASF would enable corporate, non-profit, and volunteer stakeholders to contribute code in a collaborative fashion. Supporting tooling projects will accompany the !OpenOffice.org contribution, providing APIs for extending and customizing !OpenOffice.org. Both !OpenOffice.org and the related tooling projects support the OASIS Open Document Format, and will attract an ecosystem of developers, ISVs and Systems Integrators. ODF ensures the users of !OpenOffice.org and related solutions will own their document data, and be free to choose the application or solution that best meets their requirements. The !OpenOffice.org implementation will serve as a reference implementation of the Open Document Format standard. = Current Status = == Meritocracy == We understand the intention and value of meritocracy at Apache. We are particularly gratified to learn, during the discussion on this proposal, that there is a strong role for non-coders to participate in this meritocracy and as they demonstrate their sustained commitment and merit, to take on additional community responsibilities. The initial developers are very familiar
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+1 (binding) regards, Karl On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 7:06 PM, Richard S. Hall he...@ungoverned.org wrote: +1 - richard On 6/10/11 12:02, Sam Ruby wrote: *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE] As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an Apache Incubator project. At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here is a link to the document in the wiki: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recallrev=207 As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to scan and review the archives for this month: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser Please cast your votes: [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation This vote will close 72 hours from now. - Sam Ruby = OpenOffice.org - An open productivity environment = == Abstract == !OpenOffice.org is comprised of six personal productivity applications: a word processor (and its web-authoring component), spreadsheet, presentation graphics, drawing, equation editor, and database. !OpenOffice.org is released on Windows, Solaris, Linux and Macintosh operation systems, with more [[http://porting.openoffice.org/|communities]] joining, including a mature [[http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/|FreeBSD port]]. !OpenOffice.org is localized, supporting over 110 languages worldwide. == Proposal == Apache !OpenOffice.org will continue the mission pursued by the !OpenOffice.org project while under the sponsorship of Sun and Oracle, namely: To create, as a community, the leading international office suite that will run on all major platforms and provide access to all functionality and data through open-component based APIs and an XML-based file format. In addition to to building the !OpenOffice.org product, as an end-user facing product with many existing individual and corporate users, this project will also be active in supporting end-users via tutorials, user forums, document template repositories, etc. The project will also work to further enable !OpenOffice.org to be used as a programmable module in document automation scenarios. == Background == !OpenOffice.org was launched as an open source project by Sun Microsystems in June 2000. !OpenOffice.org was originally developed under the name of StarOffice by Star Division, a German company, which was acquired by Sun Microsystems in 1999. Sun released this as open source in 2000. !OpenOffice.org is the leading alternative to MS-Office available. Its most recent major version, the 3.x series saw over [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|100 million downloads]] in its first year. The [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|most recent estimates]] suggest a market share on the order of 8-15%. The !OpenOffice source is written in C++ and delivers language-neutral and scriptable functionality. This source technology introduces the next-stage architecture, allowing use of the suite elements as separate applications or as embedded components in other applications. Numerous other features are also present including XML-based file formats based on the vendor-neutral !OpenDocument Format (ODF) standard from OASIS and other resources. == Rationale == !OpenOffice.org core development would continue at Apache following the contribution by Oracle, in accordance with Apache bylaws and its usual open development processes. Both Oracle and ASF agree that the !OpenOffice.org development community, previously fragmented, would re-unite under ASF to ensure a stable and long term future for OpenOffice.org. ASF would enable corporate, non-profit, and volunteer stakeholders to contribute code in a collaborative fashion. Supporting tooling projects will accompany the !OpenOffice.org contribution, providing APIs for extending and customizing !OpenOffice.org. Both !OpenOffice.org and the related tooling projects support the OASIS Open Document Format, and will attract an ecosystem of developers, ISVs and Systems Integrators. ODF ensures the users of !OpenOffice.org and related solutions will own their document data, and be free to choose the application or solution that best meets their requirements. The !OpenOffice.org implementation will serve as a reference implementation of the Open Document Format standard. = Current Status = == Meritocracy == We understand the intention and value of meritocracy at Apache. We are particularly gratified to learn, during the discussion on this proposal, that there is a strong role for non-coders to participate in this meritocracy and as they demonstrate their sustained
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+1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation -- --- Prof. Román H. Gelbort No busquemos aplicaciones que reemplacen aplicaciones, sino aplicaciones que resuelvan problemas específicos... http://www.piensalibre.com.ar --- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
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On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 12:02:44PM -0400, Sam Ruby wrote: [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation +1 (binding) Marvin Humphrey - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
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+1 (non-binding) Please cast your votes: [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
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Please cast your votes: [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation +1 (non-binding) Sander - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
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+1 -louis On 2011-06-10 13:41 , Sander van der Waal wrote: Please cast your votes: [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation +1 (non-binding) Sander - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
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Please cast your votes: [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation -1 (non-binding) This proposal is for the hosting of all OpenOffice.org services by the ASF, and mandates for items such as marketing, documentation and localisation which are not core competencies of the ASF. Moreover, the ASF has no other project like OOo that focuses on end-users. Furthermore, existing ASF developers have little or no prior exposure to the OOo codebase due to the licensing issue. It would make sense for the ASF to focus on an ODF reference implementation instead of undertaking the whole of OpenOffice.org, as the FSF recommends, http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-recommendations.html I believe that the ASF will be overwhelmed by the sheer amount of diverse effort that is required, if this proposal passes. Any development effort should join LibreOffice and the TDF (The Document Foundation) which gained already the attention of the community. Simos - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
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+1 --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
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+1 (binding) Cheers! -- Leif - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
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+1 binding, of course... On Jun 10, 2011, at 12:08 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote: [+1] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
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El 10/06/11 14:17, Roman H. Gelbort escribió: +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation and binding -- --- Prof. Román H. Gelbort No busquemos aplicaciones que reemplacen aplicaciones, sino aplicaciones que resuelvan problemas específicos... http://www.piensalibre.com.ar --- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
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+1 (non-binding) Andy Brown - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
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+1 (binding) On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Roman H. Gelbort ro...@piensalibre.com.ar wrote: El 10/06/11 14:17, Roman H. Gelbort escribió: +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation and binding -- --- Prof. Román H. Gelbort No busquemos aplicaciones que reemplacen aplicaciones, sino aplicaciones que resuelvan problemas específicos... http://www.piensalibre.com.ar --- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
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+1 On 10/06/2011 17:02, Sam Ruby wrote: *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE] As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an Apache Incubator project. At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here is a link to the document in the wiki: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recallrev=207 As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to scan and review the archives for this month: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser Please cast your votes: [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation This vote will close 72 hours from now. - Sam Ruby - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
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+1 On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE] As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an Apache Incubator project. At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here is a link to the document in the wiki: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recallrev=207 As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to scan and review the archives for this month: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser Please cast your votes: [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation This vote will close 72 hours from now. - Sam Ruby = OpenOffice.org - An open productivity environment = == Abstract == !OpenOffice.org is comprised of six personal productivity applications: a word processor (and its web-authoring component), spreadsheet, presentation graphics, drawing, equation editor, and database. !OpenOffice.org is released on Windows, Solaris, Linux and Macintosh operation systems, with more [[http://porting.openoffice.org/|communities]] joining, including a mature [[http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/|FreeBSD port]]. !OpenOffice.org is localized, supporting over 110 languages worldwide. == Proposal == Apache !OpenOffice.org will continue the mission pursued by the !OpenOffice.org project while under the sponsorship of Sun and Oracle, namely: To create, as a community, the leading international office suite that will run on all major platforms and provide access to all functionality and data through open-component based APIs and an XML-based file format. In addition to to building the !OpenOffice.org product, as an end-user facing product with many existing individual and corporate users, this project will also be active in supporting end-users via tutorials, user forums, document template repositories, etc. The project will also work to further enable !OpenOffice.org to be used as a programmable module in document automation scenarios. == Background == !OpenOffice.org was launched as an open source project by Sun Microsystems in June 2000. !OpenOffice.org was originally developed under the name of StarOffice by Star Division, a German company, which was acquired by Sun Microsystems in 1999. Sun released this as open source in 2000. !OpenOffice.org is the leading alternative to MS-Office available. Its most recent major version, the 3.x series saw over [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|100 million downloads]] in its first year. The [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|most recent estimates]] suggest a market share on the order of 8-15%. The !OpenOffice source is written in C++ and delivers language-neutral and scriptable functionality. This source technology introduces the next-stage architecture, allowing use of the suite elements as separate applications or as embedded components in other applications. Numerous other features are also present including XML-based file formats based on the vendor-neutral !OpenDocument Format (ODF) standard from OASIS and other resources. == Rationale == !OpenOffice.org core development would continue at Apache following the contribution by Oracle, in accordance with Apache bylaws and its usual open development processes. Both Oracle and ASF agree that the !OpenOffice.org development community, previously fragmented, would re-unite under ASF to ensure a stable and long term future for OpenOffice.org. ASF would enable corporate, non-profit, and volunteer stakeholders to contribute code in a collaborative fashion. Supporting tooling projects will accompany the !OpenOffice.org contribution, providing APIs for extending and customizing !OpenOffice.org. Both !OpenOffice.org and the related tooling projects support the OASIS Open Document Format, and will attract an ecosystem of developers, ISVs and Systems Integrators. ODF ensures the users of !OpenOffice.org and related solutions will own their document data, and be free to choose the application or solution that best meets their requirements. The !OpenOffice.org implementation will serve as a reference implementation of the Open Document Format standard. = Current Status = == Meritocracy == We understand the intention and value of meritocracy at Apache. We are particularly gratified to learn, during the discussion on this proposal, that there is a strong role for non-coders to participate in this meritocracy and as they demonstrate their sustained commitment and merit, to take on additional community responsibilities. The initial
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
+1 (non-binding) On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Yegor Kozlov yegor.koz...@dinom.ru wrote: +1 On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE] As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an Apache Incubator project. At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here is a link to the document in the wiki: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recallrev=207 As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to scan and review the archives for this month: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser Please cast your votes: [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation This vote will close 72 hours from now. - Sam Ruby = OpenOffice.org - An open productivity environment = == Abstract == !OpenOffice.org is comprised of six personal productivity applications: a word processor (and its web-authoring component), spreadsheet, presentation graphics, drawing, equation editor, and database. !OpenOffice.org is released on Windows, Solaris, Linux and Macintosh operation systems, with more [[http://porting.openoffice.org/|communities]] joining, including a mature [[http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/|FreeBSD port]]. !OpenOffice.org is localized, supporting over 110 languages worldwide. == Proposal == Apache !OpenOffice.org will continue the mission pursued by the !OpenOffice.org project while under the sponsorship of Sun and Oracle, namely: To create, as a community, the leading international office suite that will run on all major platforms and provide access to all functionality and data through open-component based APIs and an XML-based file format. In addition to to building the !OpenOffice.org product, as an end-user facing product with many existing individual and corporate users, this project will also be active in supporting end-users via tutorials, user forums, document template repositories, etc. The project will also work to further enable !OpenOffice.org to be used as a programmable module in document automation scenarios. == Background == !OpenOffice.org was launched as an open source project by Sun Microsystems in June 2000. !OpenOffice.org was originally developed under the name of StarOffice by Star Division, a German company, which was acquired by Sun Microsystems in 1999. Sun released this as open source in 2000. !OpenOffice.org is the leading alternative to MS-Office available. Its most recent major version, the 3.x series saw over [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|100 million downloads]] in its first year. The [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|most recent estimates]] suggest a market share on the order of 8-15%. The !OpenOffice source is written in C++ and delivers language-neutral and scriptable functionality. This source technology introduces the next-stage architecture, allowing use of the suite elements as separate applications or as embedded components in other applications. Numerous other features are also present including XML-based file formats based on the vendor-neutral !OpenDocument Format (ODF) standard from OASIS and other resources. == Rationale == !OpenOffice.org core development would continue at Apache following the contribution by Oracle, in accordance with Apache bylaws and its usual open development processes. Both Oracle and ASF agree that the !OpenOffice.org development community, previously fragmented, would re-unite under ASF to ensure a stable and long term future for OpenOffice.org. ASF would enable corporate, non-profit, and volunteer stakeholders to contribute code in a collaborative fashion. Supporting tooling projects will accompany the !OpenOffice.org contribution, providing APIs for extending and customizing !OpenOffice.org. Both !OpenOffice.org and the related tooling projects support the OASIS Open Document Format, and will attract an ecosystem of developers, ISVs and Systems Integrators. ODF ensures the users of !OpenOffice.org and related solutions will own their document data, and be free to choose the application or solution that best meets their requirements. The !OpenOffice.org implementation will serve as a reference implementation of the Open Document Format standard. = Current Status = == Meritocracy == We understand the intention and value of meritocracy at Apache. We are particularly gratified to learn, during the discussion on this proposal, that there is a strong role for non-coders to participate in this meritocracy and as they demonstrate their
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
-0 (binding) I concur with Sanjiva and it seems to be just a political move to me. On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 19:04, Sanjiva Weerawarana sanj...@opensource.lk wrote: -1, as I feel this is not in the best interests of the world but rather of a few powers. (Officially I'm on the incubator PMC I believe but I have not been active .. so lets chalk this up for non-binding.) Sanjiva. On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 9:32 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE] As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an Apache Incubator project. At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here is a link to the document in the wiki: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recallrev=207 As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to scan and review the archives for this month: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser Please cast your votes: [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation This vote will close 72 hours from now. - Sam Ruby = OpenOffice.org - An open productivity environment = == Abstract == !OpenOffice.org is comprised of six personal productivity applications: a word processor (and its web-authoring component), spreadsheet, presentation graphics, drawing, equation editor, and database. !OpenOffice.org is released on Windows, Solaris, Linux and Macintosh operation systems, with more [[http://porting.openoffice.org/|communities]] joining, including a mature [[http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/|FreeBSD port]]. !OpenOffice.org is localized, supporting over 110 languages worldwide. == Proposal == Apache !OpenOffice.org will continue the mission pursued by the !OpenOffice.org project while under the sponsorship of Sun and Oracle, namely: To create, as a community, the leading international office suite that will run on all major platforms and provide access to all functionality and data through open-component based APIs and an XML-based file format. In addition to to building the !OpenOffice.org product, as an end-user facing product with many existing individual and corporate users, this project will also be active in supporting end-users via tutorials, user forums, document template repositories, etc. The project will also work to further enable !OpenOffice.org to be used as a programmable module in document automation scenarios. == Background == !OpenOffice.org was launched as an open source project by Sun Microsystems in June 2000. !OpenOffice.org was originally developed under the name of StarOffice by Star Division, a German company, which was acquired by Sun Microsystems in 1999. Sun released this as open source in 2000. !OpenOffice.org is the leading alternative to MS-Office available. Its most recent major version, the 3.x series saw over [[ http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|100million downloads]] in its first year. The [[ http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|mostrecent estimates]] suggest a market share on the order of 8-15%. The !OpenOffice source is written in C++ and delivers language-neutral and scriptable functionality. This source technology introduces the next-stage architecture, allowing use of the suite elements as separate applications or as embedded components in other applications. Numerous other features are also present including XML-based file formats based on the vendor-neutral !OpenDocument Format (ODF) standard from OASIS and other resources. == Rationale == !OpenOffice.org core development would continue at Apache following the contribution by Oracle, in accordance with Apache bylaws and its usual open development processes. Both Oracle and ASF agree that the !OpenOffice.org development community, previously fragmented, would re-unite under ASF to ensure a stable and long term future for OpenOffice.org. ASF would enable corporate, non-profit, and volunteer stakeholders to contribute code in a collaborative fashion. Supporting tooling projects will accompany the !OpenOffice.org contribution, providing APIs for extending and customizing !OpenOffice.org. Both !OpenOffice.org and the related tooling projects support the OASIS Open Document Format, and will attract an ecosystem of developers, ISVs and Systems Integrators. ODF ensures the users of !OpenOffice.org and related solutions will own their document data, and be free to choose the application or solution that best meets their requirements. The !OpenOffice.org implementation will serve as a reference implementation of the Open Document Format standard. =
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
On Jun 10, 2011 9:03 AM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: ... [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation +1 (binding)
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 9:02 AM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE] As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an Apache Incubator project. At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here is a link to the document in the wiki: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recallrev=207 As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to scan and review the archives for this month: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser Please cast your votes: [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation This vote will close 72 hours from now. - Sam Ruby = OpenOffice.org - An open productivity environment = == Abstract == !OpenOffice.org is comprised of six personal productivity applications: a word processor (and its web-authoring component), spreadsheet, presentation graphics, drawing, equation editor, and database. !OpenOffice.org is released on Windows, Solaris, Linux and Macintosh operation systems, with more [[http://porting.openoffice.org/|communities]] joining, including a mature [[http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/|FreeBSD port]]. !OpenOffice.org is localized, supporting over 110 languages worldwide. == Proposal == Apache !OpenOffice.org will continue the mission pursued by the !OpenOffice.org project while under the sponsorship of Sun and Oracle, namely: To create, as a community, the leading international office suite that will run on all major platforms and provide access to all functionality and data through open-component based APIs and an XML-based file format. In addition to to building the !OpenOffice.org product, as an end-user facing product with many existing individual and corporate users, this project will also be active in supporting end-users via tutorials, user forums, document template repositories, etc. The project will also work to further enable !OpenOffice.org to be used as a programmable module in document automation scenarios. == Background == !OpenOffice.org was launched as an open source project by Sun Microsystems in June 2000. !OpenOffice.org was originally developed under the name of StarOffice by Star Division, a German company, which was acquired by Sun Microsystems in 1999. Sun released this as open source in 2000. !OpenOffice.org is the leading alternative to MS-Office available. Its most recent major version, the 3.x series saw over [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|100 million downloads]] in its first year. The [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|most recent estimates]] suggest a market share on the order of 8-15%. The !OpenOffice source is written in C++ and delivers language-neutral and scriptable functionality. This source technology introduces the next-stage architecture, allowing use of the suite elements as separate applications or as embedded components in other applications. Numerous other features are also present including XML-based file formats based on the vendor-neutral !OpenDocument Format (ODF) standard from OASIS and other resources. == Rationale == !OpenOffice.org core development would continue at Apache following the contribution by Oracle, in accordance with Apache bylaws and its usual open development processes. Both Oracle and ASF agree that the !OpenOffice.org development community, previously fragmented, would re-unite under ASF to ensure a stable and long term future for OpenOffice.org. ASF would enable corporate, non-profit, and volunteer stakeholders to contribute code in a collaborative fashion. Supporting tooling projects will accompany the !OpenOffice.org contribution, providing APIs for extending and customizing !OpenOffice.org. Both !OpenOffice.org and the related tooling projects support the OASIS Open Document Format, and will attract an ecosystem of developers, ISVs and Systems Integrators. ODF ensures the users of !OpenOffice.org and related solutions will own their document data, and be free to choose the application or solution that best meets their requirements. The !OpenOffice.org implementation will serve as a reference implementation of the Open Document Format standard. = Current Status = == Meritocracy == We understand the intention and value of meritocracy at Apache. We are particularly gratified to learn, during the discussion on this proposal, that there is a strong role for non-coders to participate in this meritocracy and as they demonstrate their sustained commitment and merit, to take on additional community responsibilities. The initial
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
+1 There are many reasons that this project might fail at Apache. These reasons have been brought up and discussed enough that I feel comfortable giving the project the chance to prove that it can be successful. Craig On Jun 10, 2011, at 9:02 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE] As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an Apache Incubator project. At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here is a link to the document in the wiki: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recallrev=207 As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to scan and review the archives for this month: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser Please cast your votes: [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation Craig L Russell Secretary, Apache Software Foundation Chair, OpenJPA PMC c...@apache.org http://db.apache.org/jdo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation +1 (Non-binding) -- Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone. John Maynard Keynes (http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Keynes) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
On 2011/06/10 10:02 AM Sam Ruby wrote: [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation +1 (Non-binding) -- _ Larry I. Gusaas Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada Website: http://larry-gusaas.com An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind theirs. - Edgard Varese - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
[x] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation On 06/10/2011 06:02 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE] Please cast your votes: [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation Regards -- ^TM - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
-1 My list of 44 reasons is here: http://keithcu.com/wordpress/?p=2567 To boil it down to one: this plan as announced had several big flaws, and they still exist. Kind regards, -Keith P.S. I don't see many from LibreOffice voting against this proposal, so I joined again to vote on their behalf. P.P.S. Hopefully more register their votes on this important matter like good netizens. The cheapest thing now is to vote no so we can make a better plan.
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
-0 (binding) My concerns: - It wasn't the community that wanted to join Apache but commercial entities decided and now the community is forced to join or stay away - The OOo code base, eco system, and user base is huge and should be managed by its own foundation - A copy-left license fits well for an FOSS office suite My hopes: - Apache OOo becomes a reference implementation of ODF and provides libraries (like POI) which can be consumed - Apache is able and willing to allow 3rd parties the use of the OOo brand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
+1 (Non-binding) Thanks, Kazunari Hirano - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
+1 (binding) Sent from my mobile device (so please excuse typos) On 10 Jun 2011, at 17:02, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE] As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an Apache Incubator project. At the end of this mail, I've put a copy of the current proposal. Here is a link to the document in the wiki: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal?action=recallrev=207 As the proposal discussion threads are numerous, I encourage people to scan and review the archives for this month: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser Please cast your votes: [ ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation This vote will close 72 hours from now. - Sam Ruby = OpenOffice.org - An open productivity environment = == Abstract == !OpenOffice.org is comprised of six personal productivity applications: a word processor (and its web-authoring component), spreadsheet, presentation graphics, drawing, equation editor, and database. !OpenOffice.org is released on Windows, Solaris, Linux and Macintosh operation systems, with more [[http://porting.openoffice.org/|communities]] joining, including a mature [[http://porting.openoffice.org/freebsd/|FreeBSD port]]. !OpenOffice.org is localized, supporting over 110 languages worldwide. == Proposal == Apache !OpenOffice.org will continue the mission pursued by the !OpenOffice.org project while under the sponsorship of Sun and Oracle, namely: To create, as a community, the leading international office suite that will run on all major platforms and provide access to all functionality and data through open-component based APIs and an XML-based file format. In addition to to building the !OpenOffice.org product, as an end-user facing product with many existing individual and corporate users, this project will also be active in supporting end-users via tutorials, user forums, document template repositories, etc. The project will also work to further enable !OpenOffice.org to be used as a programmable module in document automation scenarios. == Background == !OpenOffice.org was launched as an open source project by Sun Microsystems in June 2000. !OpenOffice.org was originally developed under the name of StarOffice by Star Division, a German company, which was acquired by Sun Microsystems in 1999. Sun released this as open source in 2000. !OpenOffice.org is the leading alternative to MS-Office available. Its most recent major version, the 3.x series saw over [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|100 million downloads]] in its first year. The [[http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-openoffice-market-shares.html|most recent estimates]] suggest a market share on the order of 8-15%. The !OpenOffice source is written in C++ and delivers language-neutral and scriptable functionality. This source technology introduces the next-stage architecture, allowing use of the suite elements as separate applications or as embedded components in other applications. Numerous other features are also present including XML-based file formats based on the vendor-neutral !OpenDocument Format (ODF) standard from OASIS and other resources. == Rationale == !OpenOffice.org core development would continue at Apache following the contribution by Oracle, in accordance with Apache bylaws and its usual open development processes. Both Oracle and ASF agree that the !OpenOffice.org development community, previously fragmented, would re-unite under ASF to ensure a stable and long term future for OpenOffice.org. ASF would enable corporate, non-profit, and volunteer stakeholders to contribute code in a collaborative fashion. Supporting tooling projects will accompany the !OpenOffice.org contribution, providing APIs for extending and customizing !OpenOffice.org. Both !OpenOffice.org and the related tooling projects support the OASIS Open Document Format, and will attract an ecosystem of developers, ISVs and Systems Integrators. ODF ensures the users of !OpenOffice.org and related solutions will own their document data, and be free to choose the application or solution that best meets their requirements. The !OpenOffice.org implementation will serve as a reference implementation of the Open Document Format standard. = Current Status = == Meritocracy == We understand the intention and value of meritocracy at Apache. We are particularly gratified to learn, during the discussion on this proposal, that there is a strong role for non-coders to participate in this meritocracy and
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
Hi, [ +1 ] (non binding) Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation Thanks ! Eric Bachard -- qɔᴉɹə Education Project: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_Project Projet OOo4Kids : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Main_Page L'association EducOOo : http://www.educoo.org Blog : http://eric.bachard.org/news
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
-1 I do not think that accepting this podling is in the best interest of the ASF. Absent explicit criteria / principles governing what we accept into the Incubator, I have to apply informal judgment here and I am voting -1 for the following reasons: 0) I think the ASF has a responsibility to consider the broader community impacts of our actions. Arguments have been presented on both sides of this issue here and elsewhere. My personal conclusion is that this is not a *good thing* for the ASF to do. 1) The Incubator exists to provide a means for communities to join the ASF. I am not comfortable that this proposal is consistent with that mission. I know this proposal is not unique in representing a commercial collaboration and we have never drawn any lines defining what is acceptable / not acceptable in commercial exploitation of the ASF brand and infrastructure. Absent that, I have to apply judgment here and my personal opinion is that this proposal crosses the line. I respect and acknowledge the efforts of the ASF and other volunteers working to build a community around this proposal and should this VOTE pass, I will join the other ASF members in welcoming the new volunteers to the ASF. Please respect the VOTE subject line above and refrain from responding to this post in the same thread. Please also review the links Sam posted before repeating arguments already presented. Phil - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
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Keith Curtis wrote: -1 My list of 44 reasons is here: http://keithcu.com/wordpress/?p=2567 To boil it down to one: this plan as announced had several big flaws, and they still exist. Kind regards, -Keith P.S. I don't see many from LibreOffice voting against this proposal, so I joined again to vote on their behalf. P.P.S. Hopefully more register their votes on this important matter like good netizens. The cheapest thing now is to vote no so we can make a better plan. According to your blog, linked above, your quite willing for those that may not support LibreOffice to just go home? And lose the talent to that can help this grow even bigger. Andy - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
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Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation
I think we should give it a try. +1 (binding) LieGrue, strub PS: I fear there is a misunderstanding regarding binding vs non-binding votes. Binding votes can only be cast by a IncubatorPMC member [1]. But of course, also non-binding +1 are welcome ;) [1] http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html#incubator-pmc --- On Fri, 6/10/11, Roman H. Gelbort ro...@piensalibre.com.ar wrote: From: Roman H. Gelbort ro...@piensalibre.com.ar Subject: Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation To: general@incubator.apache.org Date: Friday, June 10, 2011, 6:13 PM El 10/06/11 14:17, Roman H. Gelbort escribió: +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation and binding -- --- Prof. Román H. Gelbort No busquemos aplicaciones que reemplacen aplicaciones, sino aplicaciones que resuelvan problemas específicos... http://www.piensalibre.com.ar --- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
