New Project

2003-02-25 Thread Federico
Hi,
we are five italian programmers and we have finished some days ago Puff, a http 
cache proxy written in java that have some interesting features like a spider that 
prefetch the web links and an option to convert all images to black and white one to 
have a speeder connection for the client. This software is free licensed (we haven't 
already choosed what type but this is free however!!) and we think to jakarta 
subprojects.
If it is possible tell us how we have to send it, the documentation and what ever you 
want.

Best regards

Paparoni Federico 


Re: New Project

2003-02-25 Thread Jon Scott Stevens
on 2003/2/25 10:07 AM, Federico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi,
 we are five italian programmers and we have finished some days ago Puff, a
 http cache proxy written in java that have some interesting features like a
 spider that prefetch the web links and an option to convert all images to
 black and white one to have a speeder connection for the client. This software
 is free licensed (we haven't already choosed what type but this is free
 however!!) and we think to jakarta subprojects.
 If it is possible tell us how we have to send it, the documentation and what
 ever you want.
 
 Best regards
 
 Paparoni Federico

Fyi,

http://Noodle.tigris.org/

would serve as a great framework to build such a proxy.

-jon

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Re: New Project

2003-02-25 Thread Federico


 Fyi,

 http://Noodle.tigris.org/

 would serve as a great framework to build such a proxy.

 -jon

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 StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment
 314 11th Street @ Folsom /\ San Francisco
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Maybe you don't understand me. We have already finished the proxy's heart
and we have written our classes almost like Noodle ever if we didn't know
it.

Federico


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Re: New Project

2003-02-25 Thread Santiago Gala
Federico wrote:
Fyi,

http://Noodle.tigris.org/

would serve as a great framework to build such a proxy.

-jon

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314 11th Street @ Folsom /\ San Francisco
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Maybe you don't understand me. We have already finished the proxy's heart
I cannot compute finished + software together.

software is like a live creature, more so a project.

You are really starting, now that you are planning to have true users 
and go out to the real world ;-)

Regards,
 Santiago
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Re: New Project

2003-02-25 Thread Nick Chalko
Federico wrote:

Hi,
we are five italian programmers and we have finished some days ago Puff, a http 
cache proxy written in java that have some interesting features like a spider that prefetch the 
web links and an option to convert all images to black and white one to have a speeder 
connection for the client. This software is free licensed (we haven't already choosed what type 
but this is free however!!) and we think to jakarta subprojects.
If it is possible tell us how we have to send it, the documentation and what ever you 
want.
Best regards

Paparoni Federico 

 

http://jakarta.apache.org/site/newproject.html

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 Ant + autodownloadable build plugins + needed jars autodownload.
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Re: New Project

2003-02-25 Thread Federico
From the website of Jakarta:

The proposal for a new subproject must submitted to the Jakarta General
mailing list, where the PMC conducts business. All discussion regarding the
proposal will occur the General list, including the final vote. 

Uhm?! Loop?!

Federico
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 Federico wrote:

 Hi,
 we are five italian programmers and we have finished some days ago
Puff, a http cache proxy written in java that have some interesting
features like a spider that prefetch the web links and an option to convert
all images to black and white one to have a speeder connection for the
client. This software is free licensed (we haven't already choosed what type
but this is free however!!) and we think to jakarta subprojects.
 If it is possible tell us how we have to send it, the documentation and
what ever you want.
 
 Best regards
 
 Paparoni Federico
 
 
 
 http://jakarta.apache.org/site/newproject.html

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Re: New Project

2003-02-25 Thread Henri Yandell



On Tue, 25 Feb 2003, Santiago Gala wrote:

 Federico wrote:

  Maybe you don't understand me. We have already finished the proxy's heart

 I cannot compute finished + software together.

s/finished/of release\/alpha\/beta quality/

Hen


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Re: New Project

2003-02-25 Thread Santiago Gala
Federico wrote:
I cannot compute finished + software together.

software is like a live creature, more so a project.

You are really starting, now that you are planning to have true users
and go out to the real world ;-)
Regards,
 Santiago


Sorry for my english but probably in my language I can tell you better about
this project,
that is already in the world not real but academic because this started
from a project
for an exam.
I was thinking that just programming is not at all the difficult part of 
a software project. I have written thousands of lines of code that where 
never used, because the project died by lack of funding and I was not 
able to carry the code to other projects, because the company wanted for 
me to pay the whole cost of something that was essentially useles, as it 
was much cheaper to rewrite it.

This, by the way, was the revelation, that convinced me to the Open 
Source Ways, a bit in the same way of the printer driver story that 
I've heard RMS tell.

A project requires:

* A Vision
* A need fulfilled (the itch)
* Users that will like the way how it works (for one reason or the 
other, be it simplicity of design, economy of resources, stability, 
cost, or even features ;-)
+ Management to keep it evolving and avoid it falling into pieces in the 
contrast between the needs of the users and the needs of the design
* Some brand that makes it easy for people to remember it exists
* Documentation
* A evolving developer team to fix bugs, document and re-structure code 
on a continuous base
* ... and a bit of code

You seem to have the itch ( a caching proxy in java), and a name 
Puff (I like it a lot). You seem to be a group. This is what you have.

Do you have the rest of the things? Is it competitive in design, ideas, 
simpliticy, etc?

You should look for similar projects and study their status and design.

For instance, a proxy need a http client implementation (as well as an 
http server implementation).

You could look at how tomcat implements its server-to-client 
connections, and look at 
http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/httpclient/index.html for an http client.

When you have a clear idea of where your project stands (better, 
lacking, a good part but..., cleaner design, etc.) you can go back to 
these communities, or here, and argue for your position.

If the people in httpclient or in other projects (tomcat looks too big 
as a starting point, but...) gets convinced that your code is good, then 
you have a starting point. If they don't, and you still think you have 
something good, keep on trying.

Now, I got serious. Sorry for the previous joke

Regards,
 Santiago
P.S.) If you have problems with the english to express you, but you 
believe that the project is worth it, you can try sending mail to some 
Italian commiters or members (look at the people.html page in Apache) in 
Italian, or even to me (I'm Spanish, but I think I'll understand it).

Federico



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Re: New Project

2003-02-25 Thread Jon Scott Stevens
on 2003/2/25 11:44 AM, Federico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Maybe you don't understand me. We have already finished the proxy's heart
 and we have written our classes almost like Noodle ever if we didn't know
 it.
 
 Federico

Too bad you wasted your time then. =)

-jon


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