[RESULT][VOTE] Merge dev lists
[Relaying result to all lists] The vote to merge dev lists at Jakarta has passed with the following binding votes cast: 5 +1s: Felipe Leme Daniel Savarese Vadim Gritsenko Rahul Akolkar Stephen Colebourne 2 +0s: Sebastian Bazley Rony Flatscher 2 -1s: Thomas Vandahl Torsten Curdt I also count 4 non-binding +1s (Mark Murphy, Venkat Krishnamurthy, Henri Yandell, Jörg Schaible) and 3 non-binding -1s (Hanson Char, Giuseppe, Tim Cronin). Two non-binding +1s were cast by folks who until recently were on the PMC (bayard, joehni) so perhaps not giving their votes enough credit is getting too technical here. We'll encourage simple conventions (as Commons was mentioned, for example) to make filtering email, searching archives etc. as convenient as we can on a shared list. Hope is that will alleviate to some extent the primary concern of those who've voted against. I will open an INFRA ticket for this merge in a week or so (after I post another heads up note with more details, dev mailing list conventions etc. to the lists). Thanks to everyone who voted. -Rahul On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Rahul Akolkar wrote: > [Suggestion is to please reply to the gene...@jakarta list only] > > This is a vote to consolidate the development lists at Jakarta into > one development and one notifications list. For background including > timing, anticipated benefits and some discussion, see proposal [1] > thread. > > [ ] +1 > [ ] -1 > > While not required, it'd be nice if anyone voting against could > briefly state the reason(s). And you're ofcourse welcome to vote +/-0 > if you really want. > > Vote will run atleast 72 hours and will close no sooner than Thursday 5 pm > EST. > > TIA. > -Rahul > > [1] (long, possibly fragmented URL below) > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/jakarta-general/200910.mbox/%3cce1f2ea80910091443t5cad1db0na0663c416cb83...@mail.gmail.com%3e > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@jakarta.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Merge dev lists
Rahul Akolkar wrote: This is a vote to consolidate the development lists at Jakarta into one development and one notifications list. For background including timing, anticipated benefits and some discussion, see proposal [1] thread. +1 Subject to encouraging a Commons style prefixing system for emails, eg [jmeter] or [oro]. Stephen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@jakarta.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Merge dev lists
Please start a new email thread if you need to reply (VOTE threads have special significance and its important to keep unrelated posts out of these threads). See below ... On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Xavier Delgado wrote: > Hello, > > I'm flatted to be in your list, but I don't see how neither why I'm into. > Could you leave my mail from the list? > As mentioned in the email footer below, send email to general-unsubscr...@jakarta.apache.org and reply to the confirmation email that gets sent out. If that doesn't work, send an email to the list moderators (at general-ow...@jakarta.apache.org ). -Rahul > Thank you very much. > > Xavier Delgado. > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@jakarta.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@jakarta.apache.org > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@jakarta.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Merge dev lists
Hello, I'm flatted to be in your list, but I don't see how neither why I'm into. Could you leave my mail from the list? Thank you very much. Xavier Delgado. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@jakarta.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Merge dev lists
Henri Yandell wrote: > Non-binding +1. > > Whether or not the projects find they like being on one list or not, > it will be good. If it's not liked, then it's another reason to go > TLP. +1 (non-binding) - Jörg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@jakarta.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Merge dev lists
Non-binding +1. Whether or not the projects find they like being on one list or not, it will be good. If it's not liked, then it's another reason to go TLP. --- as an aside, I thought I'd look at svn activity --- Number of commits so far this year: jmeter 481 bsf 143 cactus 97 jcs 63 bcel 15 We already know that ecs, oro and regexp are in the close to attic situation, so no commits is no surprise. Whether they go Attic, or whether they go to Commons for a slow maintenance can Comparing to TLPs: http://www.svnsearch.org/svnsearch/repos/ASF/search?from=20090101&to=20091231 JMeter is about 66% down the list, ranking alongside Struts for developer activity. It's all Sebb. BSF is about 80% down the list, ranking alongside Roller for developer activity. It's Sebb and Ant. Cactus is a bit further down, ranking as a little more active than mod_perl, mod_tcl and logging. It's Petar with a few commits from Sebb. JCS is with stdcxx, just below logging. It's Aaron. BCEL would be at the bottom of the list with Xalan. It's Dave. Reason for that is to show that on their own, the Jakarta subprojects are hardly abnormal. Looking at the ones I mention: Roller is 3 committers, very much centered on 1 committer. Struts has 2 highly active committers with a long tail of other committers. mod_perl is 8 committers. mod_tcl is 3 committers. logging is 3 committers. stdcxx is 2 committers. So the big difference is not the activity of each subproject, but that each one is 1 committer shy of being a TLP. Hen On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Rahul Akolkar wrote: > [Suggestion is to please reply to the gene...@jakarta list only] > > This is a vote to consolidate the development lists at Jakarta into > one development and one notifications list. For background including > timing, anticipated benefits and some discussion, see proposal [1] > thread. > > [ ] +1 > [ ] -1 > > While not required, it'd be nice if anyone voting against could > briefly state the reason(s). And you're ofcourse welcome to vote +/-0 > if you really want. > > Vote will run atleast 72 hours and will close no sooner than Thursday 5 pm > EST. > > TIA. > -Rahul > > [1] (long, possibly fragmented URL below) > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/jakarta-general/200910.mbox/%3cce1f2ea80910091443t5cad1db0na0663c416cb83...@mail.gmail.com%3e > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@jakarta.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@jakarta.apache.org > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@jakarta.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Merge dev lists
Given that I'm awaiting a clarification and this is a close vote, I'll extend the voting period by atleast another day. IOW, last call to vote :-) Counting my own +1, we currently have the following binding votes summary so far: 4 +1s 1 +0 2 -1s 1 awaiting clarification I also count 2 non-binding +1s and 3 non-binding -1s. -Rahul On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Rahul Akolkar wrote: > [Suggestion is to please reply to the gene...@jakarta list only] > > This is a vote to consolidate the development lists at Jakarta into > one development and one notifications list. For background including > timing, anticipated benefits and some discussion, see proposal [1] > thread. > > [ ] +1 > [ ] -1 > > While not required, it'd be nice if anyone voting against could > briefly state the reason(s). And you're ofcourse welcome to vote +/-0 > if you really want. > > Vote will run atleast 72 hours and will close no sooner than Thursday 5 pm > EST. > > TIA. > -Rahul > > [1] (long, possibly fragmented URL below) > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/jakarta-general/200910.mbox/%3cce1f2ea80910091443t5cad1db0na0663c416cb83...@mail.gmail.com%3e > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@jakarta.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Merge dev lists
Hi Rony, Please see clarification request below. On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 2:23 AM, Rony G. Flatscher wrote: > > sebb wrote: >> On 19/10/2009, Rahul Akolkar wrote: >> >>> [Suggestion is to please reply to the gene...@jakarta list only] >>> >>> This is a vote to consolidate the development lists at Jakarta into >>> one development and one notifications list. For background including >>> timing, anticipated benefits and some discussion, see proposal [1] >>> thread. >>> >>> [ ] +1 >>> [ ] -1 >>> >> >> +0. >> >> I follow BSF-dev and JMeter-dev and both are fairly quiet, so as far >> as I'm concerned they could be merged into a common dev list. >> >> However, I'm wondering if it's the right time to do this. AIUI there >> is talk of moving some of the Jakarta projects to Commons - why not do >> that first and see what's left? >> > +1 > Please clarify whether by that +1 you mean to: (a) agree with what sebb said above and are also voting +0, (b) agree with what sebb said above but have not cast a vote, (c) cast a +1 vote, (d) something else altogether :-) -Rahul - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@jakarta.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Merge dev lists
sebb wrote: > On 19/10/2009, Rahul Akolkar wrote: > >> [Suggestion is to please reply to the gene...@jakarta list only] >> >> This is a vote to consolidate the development lists at Jakarta into >> one development and one notifications list. For background including >> timing, anticipated benefits and some discussion, see proposal [1] >> thread. >> >> [ ] +1 >> [ ] -1 >> > > +0. > > I follow BSF-dev and JMeter-dev and both are fairly quiet, so as far > as I'm concerned they could be merged into a common dev list. > > However, I'm wondering if it's the right time to do this. AIUI there > is talk of moving some of the Jakarta projects to Commons - why not do > that first and see what's left? > +1
Re: [VOTE] Merge dev lists
I generally want to stay out of this vote thread till it runs its course and I do appreciate the viewpoints expressed so far. Since there is a question posed here, I'll try to respond briefly below ... On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 6:00 PM, sebb wrote: > On 19/10/2009, Rahul Akolkar wrote: >> [Suggestion is to please reply to the gene...@jakarta list only] >> >> This is a vote to consolidate the development lists at Jakarta into >> one development and one notifications list. For background including >> timing, anticipated benefits and some discussion, see proposal [1] >> thread. >> >> [ ] +1 >> [ ] -1 > > +0. > > I follow BSF-dev and JMeter-dev and both are fairly quiet, so as far > as I'm concerned they could be merged into a common dev list. > > However, I'm wondering if it's the right time to do this. AIUI there > is talk of moving some of the Jakarta projects to Commons - why not do > that first and see what's left? > IMO: We will pursue that, we know what will be left. The bits that may move out contribute hardly any dev traffic so it doesn't change the equation here very much. This is absolutely a good time to do this. Jakarta is now at a point where this is feasible (i.e. enough bits have moved out that the collective dev traffic is mild compared to some other projects). In doing this level of flattening, it allows us to overcome one of the biggest shortcomings of the canonical umbrella project with dev nooks and crannies. Other motivations as mentioned elsewhere. -Rahul - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@jakarta.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Merge dev lists
-1 As explained before. > Only subscribed to 1 project. If consolidation on dev happens then > there will be no good way to filter out emails I don't care about. Same here. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@jakarta.apache.org
RE: [VOTE] Merge dev lists
+1 Ye -Original Message- From: Rahul Akolkar [mailto:rahul.akol...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 4:02 PM To: Jakarta General List Cc: bcel-...@jakarta.apache.org; bsf-...@jakarta.apache.org; cactus-...@jakarta.apache.org; ecs-...@jakarta.apache.org; jcs-...@jakarta.apache.org; jmeter-...@jakarta.apache.org; oro-...@jakarta.apache.org; regexp-...@jakarta.apache.org; slide-...@jakarta.apache.org; Jakarta Project Management Committee List Subject: [VOTE] Merge dev lists [Suggestion is to please reply to the gene...@jakarta list only] This is a vote to consolidate the development lists at Jakarta into one development and one notifications list. For background including timing, anticipated benefits and some discussion, see proposal [1] thread. [ ] +1 [ ] -1 While not required, it'd be nice if anyone voting against could briefly state the reason(s). And you're ofcourse welcome to vote +/-0 if you really want. Vote will run atleast 72 hours and will close no sooner than Thursday 5 pm EST. TIA. -Rahul [1] (long, possibly fragmented URL below) http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/jakarta-general/200910.mbox/%3cce1f 2ea80910091443t5cad1db0na0663c416cb83...@mail.gmail.com%3e - To unsubscribe, e-mail: jcs-dev-unsubscr...@jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: jcs-dev-h...@jakarta.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@jakarta.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Merge dev lists
At 4:02 PM -0400 10/19/09, Rahul Akolkar wrote: [Suggestion is to please reply to the gene...@jakarta list only] This is a vote to consolidate the development lists at Jakarta into one development and one notifications list. For background including timing, anticipated benefits and some discussion, see proposal [1] thread. [ ] +1 [ ] -1 +1 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@jakarta.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Merge dev lists
-1 Too much noise to signal ratio - not everyone is interested in every Jakarta projects. Notification list consolidation seems fine, but probably not dev. On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Rahul Akolkar wrote: > [Suggestion is to please reply to the gene...@jakarta list only] > > This is a vote to consolidate the development lists at Jakarta into > one development and one notifications list. For background including > timing, anticipated benefits and some discussion, see proposal [1] > thread. > > [ ] +1 > [ ] -1 > > While not required, it'd be nice if anyone voting against could > briefly state the reason(s). And you're ofcourse welcome to vote +/-0 > if you really want. > > Vote will run atleast 72 hours and will close no sooner than Thursday 5 pm > EST. > > TIA. > -Rahul > > [1] (long, possibly fragmented URL below) > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/jakarta-general/200910.mbox/%3cce1f2ea80910091443t5cad1db0na0663c416cb83...@mail.gmail.com%3e > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: jcs-dev-unsubscr...@jakarta.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: jcs-dev-h...@jakarta.apache.org > >
Re: [VOTE] Merge dev lists
-1 The reasons Rahul explained are certainly valid for developers subscribed to more than one dev list. In my case, being subscribed to only JMeter dev list, I don't see advantages in having all prjs in the same list; on the contrary, I'll get more "useless" messages. But of course this is only my opinion. Whatever decision will be taken, I'll be part of the dev list. Giuseppe Rahul Akolkar wrote: [Suggestion is to please reply to the gene...@jakarta list only] This is a vote to consolidate the development lists at Jakarta into one development and one notifications list. For background including timing, anticipated benefits and some discussion, see proposal [1] thread. [ ] +1 [ ] -1 While not required, it'd be nice if anyone voting against could briefly state the reason(s). And you're ofcourse welcome to vote +/-0 if you really want. Vote will run atleast 72 hours and will close no sooner than Thursday 5 pm EST. TIA. -Rahul [1] (long, possibly fragmented URL below) http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/jakarta-general/200910.mbox/%3cce1f2ea80910091443t5cad1db0na0663c416cb83...@mail.gmail.com%3e - To unsubscribe, e-mail: jmeter-dev-unsubscr...@jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: jmeter-dev-h...@jakarta.apache.org . - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@jakarta.apache.org
RE: [VOTE] Merge dev lists
-1 I Only subscribed to 1 project. If consolidation on dev happens then there will be no good way to filter out emails I don't care about. -Original Message- From: Rahul Akolkar [mailto:rahul.akol...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 3:02 PM To: Jakarta General List Cc: bcel-...@jakarta.apache.org; bsf-...@jakarta.apache.org; cactus-...@jakarta.apache.org; ecs-...@jakarta.apache.org; jcs-...@jakarta.apache.org; jmeter-...@jakarta.apache.org; oro-...@jakarta.apache.org; regexp-...@jakarta.apache.org; slide-...@jakarta.apache.org; Jakarta Project Management Committee List Subject: [VOTE] Merge dev lists [Suggestion is to please reply to the gene...@jakarta list only] This is a vote to consolidate the development lists at Jakarta into one development and one notifications list. For background including timing, anticipated benefits and some discussion, see proposal [1] thread. [ ] +1 [ ] -1 While not required, it'd be nice if anyone voting against could briefly state the reason(s). And you're ofcourse welcome to vote +/-0 if you really want. Vote will run atleast 72 hours and will close no sooner than Thursday 5 pm EST. TIA. -Rahul [1] (long, possibly fragmented URL below) http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/jakarta-general/200910.mbox/%3c ce1f2ea80910091443t5cad1db0na0663c416cb83...@mail.gmail.com%3e - To unsubscribe, e-mail: jcs-dev-unsubscr...@jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: jcs-dev-h...@jakarta.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@jakarta.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Merge dev lists
On 19/10/2009, Rahul Akolkar wrote: > [Suggestion is to please reply to the gene...@jakarta list only] > > This is a vote to consolidate the development lists at Jakarta into > one development and one notifications list. For background including > timing, anticipated benefits and some discussion, see proposal [1] > thread. > > [ ] +1 > [ ] -1 +0. I follow BSF-dev and JMeter-dev and both are fairly quiet, so as far as I'm concerned they could be merged into a common dev list. However, I'm wondering if it's the right time to do this. AIUI there is talk of moving some of the Jakarta projects to Commons - why not do that first and see what's left? > While not required, it'd be nice if anyone voting against could > briefly state the reason(s). And you're ofcourse welcome to vote +/-0 > if you really want. > > Vote will run atleast 72 hours and will close no sooner than Thursday 5 pm > EST. > > TIA. > -Rahul > > [1] (long, possibly fragmented URL below) > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/jakarta-general/200910.mbox/%3cce1f2ea80910091443t5cad1db0na0663c416cb83...@mail.gmail.com%3e > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@jakarta.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Merge dev lists
On Oct 19, 2009, at 4:02 PM, Rahul Akolkar wrote: [Suggestion is to please reply to the gene...@jakarta list only] This is a vote to consolidate the development lists at Jakarta into one development and one notifications list. For background including timing, anticipated benefits and some discussion, see proposal [1] thread. [X] +1 [ ] -1 While not required, it'd be nice if anyone voting against could briefly state the reason(s). And you're ofcourse welcome to vote +/-0 if you really want. Vote will run atleast 72 hours and will close no sooner than Thursday 5 pm EST. Regexp list has no traffic, and I don't have any objections if it were folded into general. Vadim - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@jakarta.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Merge dev lists
Rahul Akolkar wrote: > [Suggestion is to please reply to the gene...@jakarta list only] > > This is a vote to consolidate the development lists at Jakarta into > one development and one notifications list. For background including > timing, anticipated benefits and some discussion, see proposal [1] > thread. > > [ ] +1 > [X] -1 I'm only following JCS and I'm not interested in being flooded with anything more. Sorry. Bye, Thomas. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@jakarta.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Merge dev lists
In message , Rahul Akolkar writes: >This is a vote to consolidate the development lists at Jakarta into >one development and one notifications list. For background including >timing, anticipated benefits and some discussion, see proposal [1] >thread. [X] +1 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@jakarta.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Merge dev lists
+1 On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Rahul Akolkar wrote: > This is a vote to consolidate the development lists at Jakarta into > one development and one notifications list. For background including > timing, anticipated benefits and some discussion, see proposal [1] > thread. > > [X] +1 > [ ] -1 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@jakarta.apache.org
[VOTE] Merge dev lists
[Suggestion is to please reply to the gene...@jakarta list only] This is a vote to consolidate the development lists at Jakarta into one development and one notifications list. For background including timing, anticipated benefits and some discussion, see proposal [1] thread. [ ] +1 [ ] -1 While not required, it'd be nice if anyone voting against could briefly state the reason(s). And you're ofcourse welcome to vote +/-0 if you really want. Vote will run atleast 72 hours and will close no sooner than Thursday 5 pm EST. TIA. -Rahul [1] (long, possibly fragmented URL below) http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/jakarta-general/200910.mbox/%3cce1f2ea80910091443t5cad1db0na0663c416cb83...@mail.gmail.com%3e - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@jakarta.apache.org
