Re: [site] Kill the vendor support page
Will Glass-Husain wrote: Specifically, if the vendors are Jakarta committers, and they find the pages useful, we should consider keeping it. Isn't Multitask Dion Gillhard for instance? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [site] Kill the vendor support page
What we did with Lucene was to move the hard-coded committer maintained list of projects and products that use Lucene to the wiki. Let the community self-maintain this sort of thing. +1 to moving it to the Jakarta wiki. Erik On Feb 7, 2006, at 8:17 PM, Henri Yandell wrote: As per the previous email, I'd like to raise the question of killing the vendor support page. With Tomcat moving to TLP, there's even less Jakarta support here than before. Mainly it's Ant, Struts, Log4j, Tomcat and HTTP Server. Alternatively, we could attempt to make it a Java support page for Apache products, or even talk to someone - probably the board, maybe prc - about having an Apache version of this. However, I think that doing it ourselves is probably outside our scope and I suspect there won't be a huge amount of interest Apache-wide to having such a database of vendors. Any thoughts? Hen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [site] Kill the vendor support page
+1 if the vendors wanna be on our Wiki, i say we let 'em do it. On 2/8/06, Erik Hatcher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What we did with Lucene was to move the hard-coded committer maintained list of projects and products that use Lucene to the wiki. Let the community self-maintain this sort of thing. +1 to moving it to the Jakarta wiki. Erik On Feb 7, 2006, at 8:17 PM, Henri Yandell wrote: As per the previous email, I'd like to raise the question of killing the vendor support page. With Tomcat moving to TLP, there's even less Jakarta support here than before. Mainly it's Ant, Struts, Log4j, Tomcat and HTTP Server. Alternatively, we could attempt to make it a Java support page for Apache products, or even talk to someone - probably the board, maybe prc - about having an Apache version of this. However, I think that doing it ourselves is probably outside our scope and I suspect there won't be a huge amount of interest Apache-wide to having such a database of vendors. Any thoughts? Hen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [site] Kill the vendor support page
I'd be ok with a Wiki page. Ideally with a link from the Jakarta home page. We just have to keep an eye on it to make sure it stays appropriate. We've moved the Powered By Velocity page to the Wiki-- it gets updated regularly by third parties -- and there have been no problems. WILL - Original Message - From: Nathan Bubna [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jakarta General List general@jakarta.apache.org Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [site] Kill the vendor support page +1 if the vendors wanna be on our Wiki, i say we let 'em do it. On 2/8/06, Erik Hatcher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What we did with Lucene was to move the hard-coded committer maintained list of projects and products that use Lucene to the wiki. Let the community self-maintain this sort of thing. +1 to moving it to the Jakarta wiki. Erik On Feb 7, 2006, at 8:17 PM, Henri Yandell wrote: As per the previous email, I'd like to raise the question of killing the vendor support page. With Tomcat moving to TLP, there's even less Jakarta support here than before. Mainly it's Ant, Struts, Log4j, Tomcat and HTTP Server. Alternatively, we could attempt to make it a Java support page for Apache products, or even talk to someone - probably the board, maybe prc - about having an Apache version of this. However, I think that doing it ourselves is probably outside our scope and I suspect there won't be a huge amount of interest Apache-wide to having such a database of vendors. Any thoughts? Hen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [site] Kill the vendor support page
+1 (as one of the vendors) for moving to the Wiki with a link from the Jakarta home page as Will suggested, rather than killing it altogether. We integrate Jakarta (along with many of the other Apache projects) into just about everything we build. We also recommend these projects to our clients all the time. Tom Quoting Will Glass-Husain [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'd be ok with a Wiki page. Ideally with a link from the Jakarta home page. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [site] Kill the vendor support page
Do we remove the people who list support for non-Jakarta products, or is our vendor wiki page for all of the ASF? Hen On Wed, 8 Feb 2006, Tom Evans wrote: +1 (as one of the vendors) for moving to the Wiki with a link from the Jakarta home page as Will suggested, rather than killing it altogether. We integrate Jakarta (along with many of the other Apache projects) into just about everything we build. We also recommend these projects to our clients all the time. Tom Quoting Will Glass-Husain [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'd be ok with a Wiki page. Ideally with a link from the Jakarta home page. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [site] Kill the vendor support page
Henri- My suggestions is to frame this page as primarily Jakarta-support related, but allow people to list support for any Apache or Java product.As long as the page doesn't look to spam-like there's really not a downside. If tomcat.apache.org puts up a similar page, we could revise this. question to Tom-- do actually get business from customers who go to this page? Just wondering. WILL - Original Message - From: Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jakarta General List general@jakarta.apache.org Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [site] Kill the vendor support page Do we remove the people who list support for non-Jakarta products, or is our vendor wiki page for all of the ASF? Hen On Wed, 8 Feb 2006, Tom Evans wrote: +1 (as one of the vendors) for moving to the Wiki with a link from the Jakarta home page as Will suggested, rather than killing it altogether. We integrate Jakarta (along with many of the other Apache projects) into just about everything we build. We also recommend these projects to our clients all the time. Tom Quoting Will Glass-Husain [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'd be ok with a Wiki page. Ideally with a link from the Jakarta home page. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [site] Kill the vendor support page
Hi Will, Arguably, we don't land many new clients from a web page referral alone. However, we have been able to build new client relationships based on inquiries that originated with Jakarta and other OSS projects we recommend and support. Often we simply provide some pro bono coaching via telephone where we direct IT folks back to the project(s) and/or help them engage with the community. Other times these relationships lead to a more traditional systems integration project (via RFP, etc.). We think this type of role is mutually beneficial for both Jakarta and SI vendors like Tachometry. On the other hand, we also want to be good team players, so I won't whine (too much) about killing the vendor page. :-) Tom Will Glass-Husain wrote: question to Tom-- do actually get business from customers who go to this page? Just wondering. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[site] Kill the vendor support page
As per the previous email, I'd like to raise the question of killing the vendor support page. With Tomcat moving to TLP, there's even less Jakarta support here than before. Mainly it's Ant, Struts, Log4j, Tomcat and HTTP Server. Alternatively, we could attempt to make it a Java support page for Apache products, or even talk to someone - probably the board, maybe prc - about having an Apache version of this. However, I think that doing it ourselves is probably outside our scope and I suspect there won't be a huge amount of interest Apache-wide to having such a database of vendors. Any thoughts? Hen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [site] Kill the vendor support page
+1 to kill it. On 2/7/06, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As per the previous email, I'd like to raise the question of killing the vendor support page. With Tomcat moving to TLP, there's even less Jakarta support here than before. Mainly it's Ant, Struts, Log4j, Tomcat and HTTP Server. Alternatively, we could attempt to make it a Java support page for Apache products, or even talk to someone - probably the board, maybe prc - about having an Apache version of this. However, I think that doing it ourselves is probably outside our scope and I suspect there won't be a huge amount of interest Apache-wide to having such a database of vendors. Any thoughts? Hen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Davanum Srinivas : http://wso2.com/blogs/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [site] Kill the vendor support page
Well, there's not many people on it. I'd solicit their opinion. Do they actually get business from this page? If not, then definitely kill it. If such people do get business from this page, I'm less certain. Specifically, if the vendors are Jakarta committers, and they find the pages useful, we should consider keeping it. People donate lots of time to Jakarta and open source. It seems a good cause to help them bring in more consulting work, and low harm to Jakarta for sponsoring a page on such a very non-commercial site. WILL - Original Message - From: Davanum Srinivas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jakarta General List general@jakarta.apache.org Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [site] Kill the vendor support page +1 to kill it. On 2/7/06, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As per the previous email, I'd like to raise the question of killing the vendor support page. With Tomcat moving to TLP, there's even less Jakarta support here than before. Mainly it's Ant, Struts, Log4j, Tomcat and HTTP Server. Alternatively, we could attempt to make it a Java support page for Apache products, or even talk to someone - probably the board, maybe prc - about having an Apache version of this. However, I think that doing it ourselves is probably outside our scope and I suspect there won't be a huge amount of interest Apache-wide to having such a database of vendors. Any thoughts? Hen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Davanum Srinivas : http://wso2.com/blogs/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
