Re: You make the decision (was Re: Quick! convert all your projects tomaven!)

[dion]

FWIW, I have CrossOver installed too, but not Excel installedso ya got 
me.
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eeww you're right...that sucks.  I kinda think I know where this came 
from then.  I have CrossOver Office installed with Excel 97.  (Used for 
testing HSSF).  I'll betcha I got the TrueType fonts that came with it. 
 So that would make sense why the page would look fine for me and not 
you.  (BTW OT but Office loads faster on Linux than on Windows and is way

Mr. Nicola Ken uses a sorry excuse of an operating system and is 
complacent in the fight against the forces of evil.  Or maybe he just 
LIKES rebooting a lot.  So he'd not notice that he used improper fonts. 
;-)  We'll work on fixing this.  Thanks for volunteering to help us out 
in testing.

-Andy

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>The packagelist stylesheet says: lucida, verdana, arial, sans-serif; 
>
>Looking at Lucida on my box, I have an 8 and a 10. 8 is disgustingly 
>small, and 10 is fine...and that 9 point is probably somewhere in 
>between..
>
>Let me know when it's doneI'm happy to play average user.
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>"Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Dude thats definitely your fonts.  I'll look at changing the fonts used 
>in that stylesheet and see if we can't convert to ones that display 
>better for you.  I must have picked up a font package somewhere that 
>fixed it for me.  I think you're right though that its important we use 
>fonts that work on all Linuices (Linuxes?).  I'll let you know when its 
>done if you wouldn't mind testing it. 
>
>Thanks,
>
>-Andy
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>>I'm attaching screen shots. The source code page is much worse than 
>>the javadocs. I'm at 1024x768.
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>>*"Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>*
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>>Nope.  Perhaps your font settings differ from mine or perhaps Redhat or
>>Ximan package different fonts? 
>>
>>And I'm at 1600x1200 so well... dunno what the story is.  Is anyone else
>>having trouble with this?
>>
>>http://jakarta.apache.org/poi/javadocs/
>>
>>Thanks in advance for any feedback & assistance.
>>
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>>>You mean it doesn't suck on Mozilla in your browser? The fonts are tiny
>>>and squished beyond readability in mine, is that clearer for you?
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>>>"Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>>convert all your  projects
>>
>>>to maven!)
>>>
>>>
>>>Gee thanks.  thats really constructive.  I'd like to have heard
>>>something more like "X page has X on the wrong line" or something
>>>useful.  Or even more precise aesthetic criticisms.  And I like the
>>>javadoc page...   *shrugs* (of course I think the feather on the maven
>>>page hurts my eyes against that background but *shrug* taste is
>>>subjective...)  this discussion is stupid.  Basically your 
>>>
>disinterested
>
>>>in my needs which are:
>>>
>>>1. Centaven
>>>2. with GUMP
>>>
>>>And I think continued partcipation in this discussion is a waste of my
>>>time.  I was hoping to see collaboration, but I think there is some
>>>stupid partisanship between XML and Jakarta that is frustrating.  I 
>>>
>have
>
>>>my foot firmly set on BOTH and plan to keep it that way.   Having 
>>>
>choice
>
>>>is good, but sometimes the egotistical "gee we don't like your effort
>>>lets not work with you" stuff gets kind of old.
>>>
>>>I look forward to seeing your alternative to POI.  It should be 
>>>
>amusing.
>
>>>I'm done now.
>>>
>>>-Andy
>>>
>>>[EMAIL PR

Re: You make the decision (was Re: Quick! convert all your projects tomaven!)

[dion]

The packagelist stylesheet says: lucida, verdana, arial, sans-serif; 

Looking at Lucida on my box, I have an 8 and a 10. 8 is disgustingly 
small, and 10 is fine...and that 9 point is probably somewhere in 
between..

Let me know when it's doneI'm happy to play average user.
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Dude thats definitely your fonts.  I'll look at changing the fonts used 
in that stylesheet and see if we can't convert to ones that display 
better for you.  I must have picked up a font package somewhere that 
fixed it for me.  I think you're right though that its important we use 
fonts that work on all Linuices (Linuxes?).  I'll let you know when its 
done if you wouldn't mind testing it. 

Thanks,

-Andy

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>
> I'm attaching screen shots. The source code page is much worse than 
> the javadocs. I'm at 1024x768.
>
>
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> *"Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>*
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> 05/02/02 01:20 AM
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>
>
>
> Nope.  Perhaps your font settings differ from mine or perhaps Redhat or
> Ximan package different fonts? 
>
> And I'm at 1600x1200 so well... dunno what the story is.  Is anyone else
> having trouble with this?
>
> http://jakarta.apache.org/poi/javadocs/
>
> Thanks in advance for any feedback & assistance.
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >You mean it doesn't suck on Mozilla in your browser? The fonts are tiny
> >and squished beyond readability in mine, is that clearer for you?
> >--
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> >"Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> >Subject:Re: You make the decision (was Re: Quick! 
> convert all your  projects
> >to maven!)
> >
> >
> >Gee thanks.  thats really constructive.  I'd like to have heard
> >something more like "X page has X on the wrong line" or something
> >useful.  Or even more precise aesthetic criticisms.  And I like the
> >javadoc page...   *shrugs* (of course I think the feather on the maven
> >page hurts my eyes against that background but *shrug* taste is
> >subjective...)  this discussion is stupid.  Basically your 
disinterested
> >in my needs which are:
> >
> >1. Centaven
> >2. with GUMP
> >
> >And I think continued partcipation in this discussion is a waste of my
> >time.  I was hoping to see collaboration, but I think there is some
> >stupid partisanship between XML and Jakarta that is frustrating.  I 
have
> >my foot firmly set on BOTH and plan to keep it that way.   Having 
choice
> >is good, but sometimes the egotistical "gee we don't like your effort
> >lets not work with you" stuff gets kind of old.
> >
> >I look forward to seeing your alternative to POI.  It should be 
amusing.
> > I'm done now.
> >
> >-Andy
> >
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> >>The 'Source Code' link leads to a page that is butt ugly. The javadoc
> >>
> >page is also yeachh
> >
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> >>
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> >>"Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>05/01/02 11:58 PM
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> convert
> >>
> >all your  projects
> >
> >>to maven!)
> >>
> >>
> >POI's
> >site under Linux, the stylesheets need some work :)
> >
> Now I'm intrigued.  What browser do you use?
> 
> >>>Mozilla 1.0 RC1 on Mandrake 8.2 under Gnome 1.4
> >>>
> >>Interesting.  We're using the same browser on roughly the same 
> operating
> >>system...  Can you give me some more specifics, I'd like to know 
> exactly
> >>what is appearing incorrectly for you?  I don't seem to be 
experiencing
> >>any problems.  Thanks for your help.
> >>
> Andy= RHL 7.2, Ximian Gnome, Mozilla (whatever the latest release 
> is),
> kernel 2.4.17.
> (though my laptop is still windoze because Linux isn't sup

Re: You make the decision (was Re: Quick! convert all your projects tomaven!)

[dion]

You mean it doesn't suck on Mozilla in your browser? The fonts are tiny 
and squished beyond readability in mine, is that clearer for you?
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Gee thanks.  thats really constructive.  I'd like to have heard 
something more like "X page has X on the wrong line" or something 
useful.  Or even more precise aesthetic criticisms.  And I like the 
javadoc page...   *shrugs* (of course I think the feather on the maven 
page hurts my eyes against that background but *shrug* taste is 
subjective...)  this discussion is stupid.  Basically your disinterested 
in my needs which are:

1. Centaven
2. with GUMP

And I think continued partcipation in this discussion is a waste of my 
time.  I was hoping to see collaboration, but I think there is some 
stupid partisanship between XML and Jakarta that is frustrating.  I have 
my foot firmly set on BOTH and plan to keep it that way.   Having choice 
is good, but sometimes the egotistical "gee we don't like your effort 
lets not work with you" stuff gets kind of old.

I look forward to seeing your alternative to POI.  It should be amusing. 
 I'm done now.

-Andy

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>The 'Source Code' link leads to a page that is butt ugly. The javadoc 
page is also yeachh
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>"Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>>
POI's
site under Linux, the stylesheets need some work :)

>>>Now I'm intrigued.  What browser do you use? 
>>>
>>Mozilla 1.0 RC1 on Mandrake 8.2 under Gnome 1.4
>>
>Interesting.  We're using the same browser on roughly the same operating 
>system...  Can you give me some more specifics, I'd like to know exactly 
>what is appearing incorrectly for you?  I don't seem to be experiencing 
>any problems.  Thanks for your help.
>
>>>Andy= RHL 7.2, Ximian Gnome, Mozilla (whatever the latest release is), 
>>>kernel 2.4.17.
>>>(though my laptop is still windoze because Linux isn't supported on 
>>>laptops at work)
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: You make the decision (was Re: Quick! convert all your projects tomaven!)

[dion]

The 'Source Code' link leads to a page that is butt ugly. The javadoc page is also 
yeachh
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>
>
>>>POI's
>>>site under Linux, the stylesheets need some work :)
>>>
>>Now I'm intrigued.  What browser do you use? 
>>
>Mozilla 1.0 RC1 on Mandrake 8.2 under Gnome 1.4
>
Interesting.  We're using the same browser on roughly the same operating 
system...  Can you give me some more specifics, I'd like to know exactly 
what is appearing incorrectly for you?  I don't seem to be experiencing 
any problems.  Thanks for your help.

>
>>Andy= RHL 7.2, Ximian Gnome, Mozilla (whatever the latest release is), 
>>kernel 2.4.17.
>>(though my laptop is still windoze because Linux isn't supported on 
>>laptops at work)
>>
>
>
>
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Re: You make the decision (was Re: Quick! convert all your projects tomaven!)

[dion]

> You're right.  I don't really care, but I wouldn't like to be forced to 
> not use Centipede.
Noone's forcing anyonethe differences and variations are good, imho.

> >>
> >FUD? Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt about CentipedeI don't see how. Jon
> >posted the Quick! message.
> >There are things I like about Centipede, too, e.g. the cents, and I 
think
> >there could be a lot of synergy between maven and centipede, e.g. the 
skins
> >side of things is something I'd like to see with maven, but looking @ 
> >
> So why not push Maven into Centipede?  Whats the rationalization for the 

My initial go with Maven was the reaction I got here. I was frustrated 
with Centipede, and discovered Maven. The guys there were a lot more open 
to my feedback.

> competition?  Ken can you give a few of the Maven guys CVS access and 
> Maven guys.  Can you all work together?  I've not seen a compelling 
> different approach.  The seperation seems to be ego-based so says me.

> >POI's
> >site under Linux, the stylesheets need some work :)
> >
> Now I'm intrigued.  What browser do you use? 
Mozilla 1.0 RC1 on Mandrake 8.2 under Gnome 1.4

> Andy= RHL 7.2, Ximian Gnome, Mozilla (whatever the latest release is), 
> kernel 2.4.17.
> (though my laptop is still windoze because Linux isn't supported on 
> laptops at work)



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Re: You make the decision (was Re: Quick! convert all your projects tomaven!)

[dion]

> So quick question.  If I don't like the documentation quality of say
> oh..this project: http://jakarta.apache.org/velocity/index.html --
> should I start my own project to compete with it and then create FUD
> messages saying how much it sucks while I tout my project as more mature
> even if its not quite kicked off yet?  (at least everyone I've talked to
You can do what you like, I'm not holding you back. If you're inferring
this is what I did, you're living on another planet.

> says they haven't quite gotten maven working yet -- haven't tried it
> myself...centipede suits my needs so no real motivation)
Ditto in reverse.

> Or would you rather me contribute patches to the documentation of the
> project.
Quoting you to me on 2002-03-22 on this list:
"Your message to me suggests that you think I care whether you use
centipede or not.  You are mistaken.  It works for me.  If it works for
you, cool.  If not, use whatever.  Be free.  "

[snip]
> > Marketing campaign? It's just the developer community being excited and
> > sharing with their friends.
> >
> Well tone it down to information instead of FUD+ and maybe I'll even do
> more than admire the documentation.  (nice work on the doco btw -- its a
> quality I like a lot).
FUD? Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt about CentipedeI don't see how. Jon
posted the Quick! message.
There are things I like about Centipede, too, e.g. the cents, and I think
there could be a lot of synergy between maven and centipede, e.g. the skins
side of things is something I'd like to see with maven, but looking @ POI's
site under Linux, the stylesheets need some work :)
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Re: You make the decision (was Re: Quick! convert all your projects tomaven!)

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[snip]
> I think both projects have nice advantages and features.  Maven has good
> documentation.  Centipede is easier to setup and is a bit more advanced
> in the way it generates documentation.  Its a bit alpha but I think the
I've had the opposite experience. The whole reason I got involved with
Maven was that Centipede was assuming a set of knowledge and not providing
any documentation.

> So why I applaud the effort.  I really think the marketing campaign
> could be a bit more low key and pragmatic.  Just my opinion...maybe I
> should read my tagline again before expressing it.  Flame away.
Marketing campaign? It's just the developer community being excited and
sharing with their friends.

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