Re: Translations of Jakarta
Hi Henri, Thanks for a whole bunch of stuff to discuss! I guess the logo issue should be put top priority. # Actually, I didn't realize we had an English top page until you pointed it out. :) We'll get back to you in a while... Until then, On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 21:52:10 -0500 (EST), Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 10 Jan 2005, Shinobu Kawai wrote: Hi Henri, Trademarks/branding also worry me a bit. Do we have to do anything to give you permission to use the Feather etc (Apache have been increasingly protecting it recently). If we stick with the current lf, it looks like an Apache site, but with no actual affiliation to Apache, so I suspect that someday I'll get a browbeating from the board. When you said use the Feather, did you mean the use of the Jakarta logo (http://jakarta.apache.org/images/jakarta-logo.gif) or the actual feather in the image of the Ja-Jakarta logo (http://www.jajakarta.org/images/jajakarta.png)? Maybe both? Yep, both pretty much. As far as I understand, trademarks and logos etc need to be actively defended to keep them; so while there's no obvious issue with you guys using it, somebody who is using it for evil purposes can point to your use and claim that Apache is not defending its brand properly. I assume the solution is for us to make sure there's permission for you to use the logo etc. One more question. Are there any restrictions to using jakarta-site2 (or a modification of it) to build sites for non-ASF projects? If not, I don't see any problems with having the same lf. Or am I missing a point? No problem with using it I think, the only issues that need to be figured out properly are the branding/logos, I think. I've a fair number of suggestions for, at least, the English translation of your homepage to do with trying to avoid confusion on the navigation, I'll add some to the end of this email. My current thoughts are that the best way for translation sites to continue are much along the lines that they currently do. Largely independent communities who are helping to spread the Apache/Jakarta brand. We would ensure that there is a liaison to the Apache/Jakarta community (for example I would put your name/email down somewhere as the liaison to the JaJakarta group); we would get the ASF legal people to write something simple giving permission to 'use the feather' and the name 'jakarta' provided a timely response to requests; and we'd link to your site from ours. I need to pitch this idea to the pmc/board etc, but it seems reasonable. -- Suggestions for JaJakarta: This is from the English page as I don't speak any Japanese, but a lot of it may carry over. First off, some suggestions of improvements to the text: --- Welcome to the Ja-Jakarta Project The Ja-Jakarta project is a Japanese user group who use various Java products provided by the Apache Software Foundation, in particular its Jakarta project. Our purpose is to: * Translate Jakarta documentation into Japanese * Internationalize Apache products and provide feedback them to the Jakarta project * Promote Jakarta products in Japan About Our Web Site The content of our web site is written in Japanese. If you would like to see it, you should add ja (japanese) to your web browser's language setting (Firefox users need to install a Language Menu extension.). The Japanese top page is here. - Hoepfully that's all okay. Just a bit of improvement with regards to the bastard child of French and German that we all know as English. The navbar is where I'm concerned there is going to be confusion between Jakarta and JaJakarta: s/Check it out!!/News/ s/News/JaJakarta News/ s/Subprojects/Translations/ The names of the Apache projects should be more detailed nowadays. Apache Ant, Jakarta Cactus, Apache Struts, Jakarta Velocity etc. Although it adds to the length, it would be nice to have changes (at least for the English version) for: s/Get Involved/Get Involved in JaJakarta/ s/Project Management/JaJakarta Management/ The Jakarta News page (honke.html) hasn't had an update since last May. The favicon.ico would probably be better if it was the pink flower and not pikachu (or something that looks similar at this screen size :) ). Lastly, the book advert is a little out of character for an Apache project. It does list JaJakarta as one of the authors, which is pretty cool, but aren't there other Japanese books on Apache Java projects that you could list too? Even if you list JaJakarta first. Basically looking to make sure you can't be accused of using the Apache brand to sell the book. -- Thoughts? Hen Best regards, -- Shinobu -- Shinobu Kawai Yoshida [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [site] Removing things
Alas ... I would be very sad if my two-and-a-half-year efforts could *not* be appreciated. My personal -1 to #8 (non-SUN-related translations only, though) -- Tetsuya On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 20:50:28 -0500 (EST) (Subject: [site] Removing things) Henri Yandell wrote: Next up is to clean up various bits on the large front page. Here's the list of changes. For each one, if I don't hear a -1 by Tuesday I'll go ahead and make the change. 1) Rewrite of the welcome message to the welcome message at http://www.apache.org/~bayard/mock-jakarta-frontpage.html. Including additions to the products table as shown in the mock. 2) Removal of the elsewhere news section. Point redirects to news/index.html. 3) Remove License renewal and news blog from Headlines section. Rename Headlines to News. 4) Removal of Graduated from the left navbar. 5) Removal of Related table at the bottom of the index. 6) Move Legal link to the bottom of the page (with the copyright), as shown in mock. 7) Removal of Our Mission. Redirect to front page. 8) Removal of links to Japanese/Korean translations. Hen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [site] Removing things
On Wed, 12 Jan 2005, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: Alas ... I would be very sad if my two-and-a-half-year efforts could *not* be appreciated. Dug a bit further. Due to the wonders of fonts on this Windows box, I'd only seen '??' for the links to your translations and thought that all your site does is translate the front page. Now I see that some of the underlying projects are translated, sorry. I'll hold off removing the translations for the moment. I'll add jajakarta in though. My personal -1 to #8 (non-SUN-related translations only, though) 8) Removal of links to Japanese/Korean translations. non-SUN? What's the relationship between jajakarta and terra-intl btw? I see that you mention it at the bottom of the page. Hen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [site] Removing things
Dug a bit further. Due to the wonders of fonts on this Windows box, I'd only seen '??' for the links to your translations and thought that all your site does is translate the front page. Personally, BCEL translation was very hard (I bought two books on byte-code engine for that translation :-) to accomplish. # http://jakarta.terra-intl.com/bcel/manual.html What's the relationship between jajakarta and terra-intl btw? I see that you mention it at the bottom of the page. Nothing, nothing. We once proposed the cross-links each other. Currently jakarta.terra-intl.com links directly to the each translation pages of jajakarta.org (according to that promise), and jajakarta.org does *not* to ours. -- That's all about. # ONE-WAY, ONE-WAY. -- Tetsuya. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [site] Removing things
Hi Tetsuya, Personally, BCEL translation was very hard (I bought two books on byte-code engine for that translation :-) to accomplish. # http://jakarta.terra-intl.com/bcel/manual.html It's kind of amazing that you did all of your translations single-handed. What's the relationship between jajakarta and terra-intl btw? I see that you mention it at the bottom of the page. Nothing, nothing. We once proposed the cross-links each other. Currently jakarta.terra-intl.com links directly to the each translation pages of jajakarta.org (according to that promise), and jajakarta.org does *not* to ours. -- That's all about. # ONE-WAY, ONE-WAY. Ooh, that's terrible. I'll make sure we get the links up. # Actually, I was also wondering about the relationship. I wasn't there when it happened. I also recently noticed that we both have translations of jakarta-commons. Haven't looked further into which components, but it would be a pity if we had duplications. Best regards, -- Shinobu -- Shinobu Kawai Yoshida [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [site] Removing things
On Fri, 7 Jan 2005, Henri Yandell wrote: 1) Rewrite of the welcome message to the welcome message at http://www.apache.org/~bayard/mock-jakarta-frontpage.html. Including additions to the products table as shown in the mock. DONE 2) Removal of the elsewhere news section. Point redirects to news/index.html. NOT DONE. 3) Remove License renewal and news blog from Headlines section. Rename Headlines to News. DONE. Additionally I've changed 'News Status' to News in the RHS nav, and removed the elsewhere news from the front page. I've promoted the ApacheCon advert to a top level headline. 4) Removal of Graduated from the left navbar. NOT DONE. Per Martin's -1. I have changed it to Ex-Jakarta as he suggested. 5) Removal of Related table at the bottom of the index. DONE. It now lives at http://jakarta.apache.org/site/java_at_apache.html, though I've not linked that page in yet. 6) Move Legal link to the bottom of the page (with the copyright), as shown in mock. DONE. 7) Removal of Our Mission. Redirect to front page. DONE. 8) Removal of links to Japanese/Korean translations. NOT DONE as per Tetsuya's -1. I've added Ja-Jakarta in and made it a separate section. Hen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Jakarta Wiki] Updated: SiteInfo
Date: 2005-01-11T20:07:31 Editor: HenriYandell Wiki: Jakarta Wiki Page: SiteInfo URL: http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta/SiteInfo no comment Change Log: -- @@ -12,17 +12,17 @@ a. Switch to three-column display - '''DONE''' a. Modification of XSL system to support mockup. - '''DONE''' a. Use of CSS. - '''DONE''' - 1. Tighter front page, [http://www.apache.org/~bayard/mock-jakarta-frontpage.html Mock] (tighter welcome message, new text under Products) - ''Hen on Tuesday'' + 1. Tighter front page (tighter welcome message, new text under Products) - '''DONE'' 1. Delete content: - a. Remove licence renewal and news blog from Headlines section. Rename Headlines to News. - ''Hen on Tuesday'' + a. Remove licence renewal and news blog from Headlines section. Rename Headlines to News. -'''DONE''' a. Vendor page a. Acknowledgements page - Redirect to http://www.apache.org/foundation/thanks.html - a. Elsewhere news - ''Hen on Tuesday'' - a. Our Mission - ''Hen on Tuesday'' + a. Elsewhere news - ''Hen'' + a. Our Mission -'''DONE''' a. Newsletter Editor page a. Reference library - a. Related project table - ''Hen on Tuesday'' - 1. Rename Graduated to Ex-Jakarta. - ''Hen on Wednesday'' + a. Related project table -'''DONE''' (site/java_at_apache.html) + 1. Rename Graduated to Ex-Jakarta. - '''DONE''' 1. Flatten Project Guidelines and all the other 'how to' pages into a shallower structure. 1. Removal of silly pages: a. jon.html (and images) @@ -33,13 +33,13 @@ a. methodology.html (nothing links to this) a. jakarta-site-*.html (4 pages, with various links to them; however the content is bad) 1. Move JSPA stuff to www.apache.org. ''Geir''. - 1. Move Legal link from navbar to bottom of page. - ''Hen on Tuesday'' + 1. Move Legal link from navbar to bottom of page. -'''DONE''' 1. Migrate to Subversion - [Site2 Conversion Instructions]. ''Tim''. 1. Migration of reference pages into Foundation. ''Robert'' - '''ONGOING''' 2. Improvement of download pages. Creation of cgi pages. 3. [EMAIL PROTECTED] considerations. Indexing systems for javadoc, jars, downloads etc. IRC channel? 4. SVN information in addition to CVS information. - 5. Translation sites. What to do about them. Remove links. - ''Hen on Tuesday'' + 5. Translation sites. What to do about them. 6. Removal of information that may be found at [http://www.apache.org/dev/], the Incubator or other ASF locations. 7. Posting of board reports to the site. 8. Move 'In Memoriam' to the whoweare.html page in Feb 2005. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Jakarta Wiki] Updated: SiteInfo
Date: 2005-01-11T20:08:21 Editor: HenriYandell Wiki: Jakarta Wiki Page: SiteInfo URL: http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta/SiteInfo no comment Change Log: -- @@ -12,7 +12,7 @@ a. Switch to three-column display - '''DONE''' a. Modification of XSL system to support mockup. - '''DONE''' a. Use of CSS. - '''DONE''' - 1. Tighter front page (tighter welcome message, new text under Products) - '''DONE'' + 1. Tighter front page (tighter welcome message, new text under Products) - '''DONE''' 1. Delete content: a. Remove licence renewal and news blog from Headlines section. Rename Headlines to News. -'''DONE''' a. Vendor page - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[site] Friday removals
On Friday I plan to do the following to the site: * Remove jon.html + images * Remove love.html * Remove idiot.html * Remove os.html * Remove methodology.html * Remove jakarta-site-*.html Very little, if anything links to them from within the site. I've no clue if other parts of the sites link to them. I'll put a redirect in for jakarta-site-* to README.txt, but all of the rest will just start doing 404's. In the meantime, I'll start work on my ideas for a new download page. -1's, grumbles, ideas, etc :) Same as before, each item has to be -1'd for me to not do it on Friday. Hen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Jakarta Wiki] Updated: SiteInfo
Date: 2005-01-11T20:17:59 Editor: HenriYandell Wiki: Jakarta Wiki Page: SiteInfo URL: http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta/SiteInfo Friday plans Change Log: -- @@ -25,13 +25,13 @@ 1. Rename Graduated to Ex-Jakarta. - '''DONE''' 1. Flatten Project Guidelines and all the other 'how to' pages into a shallower structure. 1. Removal of silly pages: - a. jon.html (and images) - a. love.html - a. idiot.html - a. os.html + a. jon.html (and images) - ''Hen on Friday'' + a. love.html - ''Hen on Friday'' + a. idiot.html - ''Hen on Friday'' + a. os.html - ''Hen on Friday'' 1. Removal of dead pages: - a. methodology.html (nothing links to this) - a. jakarta-site-*.html (4 pages, with various links to them; however the content is bad) + a. methodology.html (nothing links to this) - ''Hen on Friday'' + a. jakarta-site-*.html (4 pages, with various links to them; however the content is bad) - ''Hen on Friday'' 1. Move JSPA stuff to www.apache.org. ''Geir''. 1. Move Legal link from navbar to bottom of page. -'''DONE''' 1. Migrate to Subversion - [Site2 Conversion Instructions]. ''Tim''. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Jakarta Wiki] Updated: SiteInfo
Date: 2005-01-11T20:18:37 Editor: HenriYandell Wiki: Jakarta Wiki Page: SiteInfo URL: http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta/SiteInfo Oops, signing up for the download improvements too. Change Log: -- @@ -36,7 +36,7 @@ 1. Move Legal link from navbar to bottom of page. -'''DONE''' 1. Migrate to Subversion - [Site2 Conversion Instructions]. ''Tim''. 1. Migration of reference pages into Foundation. ''Robert'' - '''ONGOING''' - 2. Improvement of download pages. Creation of cgi pages. + 2. Improvement of download pages. Creation of cgi pages. - ''Hen'' 3. [EMAIL PROTECTED] considerations. Indexing systems for javadoc, jars, downloads etc. IRC channel? 4. SVN information in addition to CVS information. 5. Translation sites. What to do about them. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
