Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list
On 6/25/06, Donnie Berkholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This topic has come up in the past, and I'd like to revive it once again. The gentoo-dev list has gotten a lower and lower signal to noise ratio over the past year or two, and it's difficult to dig out the stuff that's truly required reading. What's noise to you is signal to others. For example, my interest is servers, so all of your X.org posts are mostly noise to me, but to others it's essential signal. Same goes for the scientific re-org recently discussed. And I'm sure the same goes for PHP webapp stuff. I propose that all need-to-know announcements and decisions be posted to a separate, moderated (or restricted posting) gentoo-dev-announce list to ensure that no developers lose track of what really matters. I think a -dev-announce ML is a good idea, with reply-to set to -dev. But I also think you're over-exaggerating the situation by a long way, sorry. Best regards, Stu -- PS: If anyone needs anything posting on -announce, I'm one of the people you can bribe :) -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Resignation
* Jory A. Pratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Hi, snip As I have been swamped with emails, private messages and phone calls from certain people, I will retract my resignation for the final time. I'm fairly new to Gentoo, but I'd like to help. So, what shall I do ? cu -- - Enrico Weigelt== metux IT service phone: +49 36207 519931 www: http://www.metux.de/ fax: +49 36207 519932 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cellphone: +49 174 7066481 - -- DSL ab 0 Euro. -- statische IP -- UUCP -- Hosting -- Webshops -- - -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list
* Stuart Herbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: On 6/25/06, Donnie Berkholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This topic has come up in the past, and I'd like to revive it once again. The gentoo-dev list has gotten a lower and lower signal to noise ratio over the past year or two, and it's difficult to dig out the stuff that's truly required reading. What's noise to you is signal to others. For example, my interest is servers, so all of your X.org posts are mostly noise to me, but to others it's essential signal. Same goes for the scientific re-org recently discussed. And I'm sure the same goes for PHP webapp stuff. ACK. So it seems more worth, splitting off several larger topics, ie. X.org development to separate lists, or even better discuss things that are not really gentoo specific (ie. bug-fixing within the package) on the upstream's list(s). (At this point, I'd like to remind you on my distro independent QM project ...) I propose that all need-to-know announcements and decisions be posted to a separate, moderated (or restricted posting) gentoo-dev-announce list to ensure that no developers lose track of what really matters. I think a -dev-announce ML is a good idea, with reply-to set to -dev. ACK. Such an list could be useful. *BUT*: it doesn't make any sense just talking about it. Simply do it or forget it. Only talking is nonsense. If I was admin @gentoo.org, I would have set it up even before writing this mail. cu -- - Enrico Weigelt== metux IT service phone: +49 36207 519931 www: http://www.metux.de/ fax: +49 36207 519932 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cellphone: +49 174 7066481 - -- DSL ab 0 Euro. -- statische IP -- UUCP -- Hosting -- Webshops -- - -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Removing gnophone from tree
* Gustavo Felisberto [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Gnophone is upstream dead. Does not build in amd64 (and probably other arches) failling on configure. Does anyone have an amd64 box I could play a little bit with ? I'd like to have a look at it. cu -- - Enrico Weigelt== metux IT service phone: +49 36207 519931 www: http://www.metux.de/ fax: +49 36207 519932 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cellphone: +49 174 7066481 - -- DSL ab 0 Euro. -- statische IP -- UUCP -- Hosting -- Webshops -- - -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list
Stuart Herbert wrote: But I also think you're over-exaggerating the situation by a long way, sorry. I don't think so. As I understand it, it's not the amount of threads that makes the noise, it's mainly all the sub-sub-sub-sub-threads. -- Kind Regards, Simon Stelling Gentoo/AMD64 Developer -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list
Lance Albertson wrote: I'd rather not create a -core-announce. The amount of times those types of things come up on the list are rare. It would be easier to have an standard subject heading (maybe ANNOUNCEMENT:) that people can use in their filters. If devs start abusing it, then we'll vote them off the island :) Bad idea, IMHO. That people are unable to change the subject line even when we're no longer discussing an upcoming project but choice of pet doesn't have to be proved again. Please, create a seperate announcement list, it would make things helluvalot nicer. -- Kind Regards, Simon Stelling Gentoo/AMD64 Developer -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list
On 6/27/06, Enrico Weigelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (At this point, I'd like to remind you on my distro independent QM project ...) Never heard of it, sorry. *BUT*: it doesn't make any sense just talking about it. Simply do it or forget it. Only talking is nonsense. If I was admin @gentoo.org, I would have set it up even before writing this mail. That's not the way we like to do things, when they affect all of our developers. We prefer to sound out opinion first before acting. Best regards, Stu -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list
On 6/27/06, Simon Stelling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think so. As I understand it, it's not the amount of threads that makes the noise, it's mainly all the sub-sub-sub-sub-threads. As long as they're about Gentoo, they're not 'noise' to everyone. I confess I don't read every email on -dev, but I haven't seen all that many emails that are completely off-topic. Best regards, Stu -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list
On Mon, 2006-06-26 at 13:10 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote: Chris Gianelloni wrote: - Create a new list (gentoo-core-announce ?) Reading: dev-only Posting: dev-only, reply-to set to gentoo-core This is the reference list of things (policy, decisions and discussions in progress) all developers must know about. Agree with -(core|dev)-announce. - Keep -core and -dev, as non-required reading Agree, but with the caveat that devs must still be at least subscribed to -core even if they choose not to read it. This way, you could have a -dev-announce that also refers to something private on -core if need be. Now, do we really need it to be -core-announce? Not really. In fact, at one point we'd come up with both a -core-announce and a -dev-announce, with -core-announce being for more sensitive information. I'm having a tough time thinking of sensitive information that all devs must know about (i.e., that would qualify for -core-announce). Same here, which was why we eventually dropped to only a single announce list in our discussions. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering - Strategic Lead x86 Architecture Team Games - Developer Gentoo Linux signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Resignation
On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 13:07:45 +0200 Enrico Weigelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I have been swamped with emails, private messages and phone calls from certain people, I will retract my resignation for the final time. I'm fairly new to Gentoo, but I'd like to help. So, what shall I do ? You can start by not hijacking mailing list threads. Or am I the only one failing to see how is this connected to Jory's (retracted) resignation ? Kind regards, -- Andrej Ticho Kacian ticho at gentoo dot org Gentoo Linux Developer - net-mail, antivirus, sound, x86 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Resignation
* Andrej Kacian [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 13:07:45 +0200 Enrico Weigelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I have been swamped with emails, private messages and phone calls from certain people, I will retract my resignation for the final time. I'm fairly new to Gentoo, but I'd like to help. So, what shall I do ? You can start by not hijacking mailing list threads. Or am I the only one failing to see how is this connected to Jory's (retracted) resignation ? Perhaps there's some misunderstanding ? (I have to admit, I didn't read all this traffic here, so maybe I missed something ...) As far as I understood the situation: * He's frustrated about several things (I missed the details), so doesn't like to maintain the mozilla herd anylonger and is going to leave -dev. * Now several people convinced him to stay and continue his work here. Now me: * I'm offering my help. But: * I'm fairly new here and not familar with the development and qm process yet, so I need some assistance. Anything still onclear on my last posting ? cu -- - Enrico Weigelt== metux IT service phone: +49 36207 519931 www: http://www.metux.de/ fax: +49 36207 519932 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cellphone: +49 174 7066481 - -- DSL ab 0 Euro. -- statische IP -- UUCP -- Hosting -- Webshops -- - -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Resignation
On Tuesday 27 June 2006 09:21, Andrej Kacian wrote: On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 13:07:45 +0200 Enrico Weigelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I have been swamped with emails, private messages and phone calls from certain people, I will retract my resignation for the final time. I'm fairly new to Gentoo, but I'd like to help. So, what shall I do ? You can start by not hijacking mailing list threads. Or am I the only one failing to see how is this connected to Jory's (retracted) resignation ? you cant blame him for seeing part of a thread that was forwarded out and really, his reply makes sense -mike pgpfqgfO8xOGJ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Resignation
On Tuesday 27 June 2006 10:03, Enrico Weigelt wrote: * I'm fairly new here and not familar with the development and qm process yet, so I need some assistance. http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/handbook/handbook.xml?part=1chap=2 -mike pgpM4ocdwy8G1.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-dev] Assigning bugs to treecleaners
I'd prefer if you are going to remove a package and you want treecleaners to do it; either talk to a treecleaners project member on irc or via the alias first, or just assign it to maintainer-needed and CC treecleaners. I don't want a million bugs assigned to treecleaners. The point of the project is to make the tree better by either fixing packages or removing them which means I do need to sit down for about 20 minutes with each package and evaluate whether it's worth it to fix or not (even if you are it's present maintainer and you want it gone). Right now the team is just me, and IMHO I'd rather have a managable set of packages ready to get punted then to have people giving last rites but never removing it, aka making it a pain to manage due to volume. Also see a few guidelines[1] that I threw up on the project page. Also, we are looking for more people to join the project ;) [1] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/qa/treecleaners/ -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Assigning bugs to treecleaners
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alec Warner wrote: I'd prefer if you are going to remove a package and you want treecleaners to do it; either talk to a treecleaners project member on irc or via the alias first, or just assign it to maintainer-needed and CC treecleaners. snip [1] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/qa/treecleaners/ I have to admit - I'd never heard of the project until now (so maybe I'm not alone...?). Maybe we should do something once a quarter or so in the GWN listing current projects...? (that's right, i'm recommending the special centerfold issue of the gwn a few times a year ;) ~mcummings -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEoUnUq1ztTp5/Ti4RApyHAKC/Na1gkOvHEGlvNOCJedM58xYCxwCfQjdz 2a2rhpvj0dn7HTZyxGZBrzA= =QctJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Resignation
On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 16:03:32 +0200 Enrico Weigelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But: * I'm fairly new here and not familar with the development and qm process yet, so I need some assistance. Anything still onclear on my last posting ? My apologies, Enrico, for snapping out on you. Kind regards, -- Andrej Ticho Kacian ticho at gentoo dot org Gentoo Linux Developer - net-mail, antivirus, sound, x86 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-dev] ChangeLog added to default-linux/x86
I am sending this out (and cross-posting it) to let everyone know that I have just added a ChangeLog to default-linux/x86 to track changes. Anyone who makes any changes to the default-linux/x86 profile, or any of the sub-profiles, should make a ChangeLog entry. It works perfectly fine with echangelog so it should be easy to update. This will help us keep track of changes, especially USE flag changes, and also changes to use.mask and package.mask settings. The amd64 team has already done this, and I recommend that other architectures do it, too. Thanks, -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering - Strategic Lead x86 Architecture Team Games - Developer Gentoo Linux signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-dev] Assigning bugs to treecleaners
As long as it doesn't involve spanky I think we won't lose all our users because they suddenly became blind. Its the first time I've heard of the project as well. I knew that there were a few people going through and removing stuff but... (that's right, i'm recommending the special centerfold issue of the gwn a few times a year ;) -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Assigning bugs to treecleaners
I have to admit - I'd never heard of the project until now (so maybe I'm not alone...?). same for me (i'm a new dev, but i have been reading and learning www.gentoo.org for a while now :) ) IMHO this seems a good idea. The portage tree is growing every week, every month, and it doesn't really suit for the very little systems (embedded linux) nowadays. Furthermore, with the old 2.0-portage, the syncing and caching had become really long. So this project sounds sane. It's rather new, isn't it ? cheers -- Raphael Marichez aka Falco pgpcFnu8ItlBO.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] Assigning bugs to treecleaners
Michael Cummings wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alec Warner wrote: I'd prefer if you are going to remove a package and you want treecleaners to do it; either talk to a treecleaners project member on irc or via the alias first, or just assign it to maintainer-needed and CC treecleaners. snip [1] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/qa/treecleaners/ I have to admit - I'd never heard of the project until now (so maybe I'm not alone...?). Maybe we should do something once a quarter or so in the GWN listing current projects...? (that's right, i'm recommending the special centerfold issue of the gwn a few times a year ;) http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/38744/focus=38744 ~mcummings -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEoUnUq1ztTp5/Ti4RApyHAKC/Na1gkOvHEGlvNOCJedM58xYCxwCfQjdz 2a2rhpvj0dn7HTZyxGZBrzA= =QctJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] gentoo-dev-announce list
Stuart Herbert wrote: On 6/25/06, Donnie Berkholz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This topic has come up in the past, and I'd like to revive it once again. The gentoo-dev list has gotten a lower and lower signal to noise ratio over the past year or two, and it's difficult to dig out the stuff that's truly required reading. What's noise to you is signal to others. For example, my interest is servers, so all of your X.org posts are mostly noise to me, but to others it's essential signal. Same goes for the scientific re-org recently discussed. And I'm sure the same goes for PHP webapp stuff. Exactly. More stuff you don't care about is more noise. I agree with that too. Rather than reading 50 posts about X crap, wouldn't you rather just look at a single announcement? I propose that all need-to-know announcements and decisions be posted to a separate, moderated (or restricted posting) gentoo-dev-announce list to ensure that no developers lose track of what really matters. I think a -dev-announce ML is a good idea, with reply-to set to -dev. But I also think you're over-exaggerating the situation by a long way, sorry. I'm glad you have your opinion. I don't have the time to sit and browse through all the arguments between 2-3 people that go on for 50-100 posts or more as they fall more and more off-topic, so I would like to know if there's any conclusion without wasting my time on that. My options are either missing important announcements or creating this list. I would prefer the list. Thanks, Donnie signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[gentoo-dev] Slimming down the portage tree [WAS: Assigning bugs to treecleaners]
* Raphael Marichez [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: IMHO this seems a good idea. The portage tree is growing every week, every month, and it doesn't really suit for the very little systems (embedded linux) nowadays. Furthermore, with the old 2.0-portage, the syncing and caching had become really long. So this project sounds sane. It's rather new, isn't it ? Why can't we just move the patches and other files besides the ebuilds somewhere else ? Why can't they be downloaded on-demand ? If portage was written in some other language than python (ie. java), I would have fixed this even before even writing this mail. It could be so easy: * the whole portage tree is available via some fast download protocol, ie. http (perhaps w/ additional md5 checks). * before passing the files to the patch command, it is checked whether they are there, or better: look beyon a list of prefixes (ie. first the portage tree itself and last the download cache) if they could be found. if not found, fetch'em and use the destination location. * people who don't wanna have all patches sync'ed down, just add another exlude regex and are done with it. cu -- - Enrico Weigelt== metux IT service phone: +49 36207 519931 www: http://www.metux.de/ fax: +49 36207 519932 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cellphone: +49 174 7066481 - -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Slimming down the portage tree [WAS: Assigning bugs to treecleaners]
Enrico Weigelt wrote: * Raphael Marichez [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: IMHO this seems a good idea. The portage tree is growing every week, every month, and it doesn't really suit for the very little systems (embedded linux) nowadays. Furthermore, with the old 2.0-portage, the syncing and caching had become really long. So this project sounds sane. It's rather new, isn't it ? Why can't we just move the patches and other files besides the ebuilds somewhere else ? Why can't they be downloaded on-demand ? The point isn't space (we have plenty). The point is package foo has no maintainer and has problems. With no one to fix the issues, the package should be removed (to give users a decent experience by avoiding broken packages) and to increase security (by punting packages with security problems but have no one to fix them). It is all about manpower, I don't see a technical solution here. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] Assigning bugs to treecleaners
On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 17:54:02 +0200 Raphael Marichez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMHO this seems a good idea. The portage tree is growing every week, every month, and it doesn't really suit for the very little systems (embedded linux) nowadays. Furthermore, with the old 2.0-portage, the syncing and caching had become really long. If you want to sync just part of the tree, look into setting '--exclude' or '--exclude-from' options via PORTAGE_RSYNC_EXTRA_OPTS in make.conf. See rsync(1) and make.conf(5). Never tried it myself, but it should work. -- Kevin F. Quinn signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-dev] help
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Assigning bugs to treecleaners
If you want to sync just part of the tree, look into setting '--exclude' or '--exclude-from' options via PORTAGE_RSYNC_EXTRA_OPTS in make.conf. See rsync(1) and make.conf(5). Never tried it myself, but it should work. i'm using it on my laptop and it works very well :) i've saved 320Mo ! but a single decrease of 20% can't compensate for an annual increase of about 10~20% (PS: France wins 3-1 :D ) cheers -- Raphael Marichez aka Falco pgpE6OSSk4a1z.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] 1/2 OT: Comprehensive Source Database
Hi folks, I've done some works meanwhile: + primary database structure + a few scanners (gtk, apache2, linux-kernel, gnome) + some small webfrontend + an quick download url redirector For more information see: http://sourcefarm.metux.de/ cu -- - Enrico Weigelt== metux IT service phone: +49 36207 519931 www: http://www.metux.de/ fax: +49 36207 519932 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cellphone: +49 174 7066481 - -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] help
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dan Podeanu wrote: help help: help [-s] [pattern ...] Display helpful information about builtin commands. If PATTERN is specified, gives detailed help on all commands matching PATTERN, otherwise a list of the builtins is printed. The -s option restricts the output for each builtin command matching PATTERN to a short usage synopsis. (couldn't resist - send this to [EMAIL PROTECTED]) ~mcummings -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEoZ/Sq1ztTp5/Ti4RAq9eAKCYn8wr+KEv7OzKiTIO+eYZAXDNLwCgjVYR BgaFDZwDSP7JC0254RUglCo= =dOOm -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-dev] GCC 4.1.1 testing/stablization and glibc 2.4
OK, guys, I was speaking with vapier earlier about the possibility of getting gcc 4.1.1 stable for the 2006.1 release. We've managed to build some release media with it, and are planning on doing more testing with it. What we really need is for more people to test this on various platforms and to get all of the bugs worked out that we can. We're already ramping up our release cycle, and would like to get this included, so we don't have to wait until 2007 for a release with = GCC 4.1 in it. We are also testing glibc 2.4, which will likely go to stable on the supporting architectures during the release cycle. We always welcome more testing, though. =] -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering - Strategic Lead x86 Architecture Team Games - Developer Gentoo Linux signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-dev] help
/me gives some help to Dan sorry -- [] -- Raphael Marichez aka Falco pgp2puNJzRcLr.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] GCC 4.1.1 testing/stablization and glibc 2.4
On Tuesday 27 June 2006 18:32, Donnie Berkholz wrote: Chris Gianelloni wrote: OK, guys, I was speaking with vapier earlier about the possibility of getting gcc 4.1.1 stable for the 2006.1 release. We've managed to build some release media with it, and are planning on doing more testing with it. What we really need is for more people to test this on various platforms and to get all of the bugs worked out that we can. We're already ramping up our release cycle, and would like to get this included, so we don't have to wait until 2007 for a release with = GCC 4.1 in it. That would be really cool. I'm already been testing both this and the glibc on the ~1500 packages installed on my x86, plus the Pegasos ppc and iBook I've got around. I'll do the same on sparc as soon as it shows up in ~arch there. the trouble is we need these packages in arch now, not ~arch :) -mike pgpN5WA07mliU.pgp Description: PGP signature
