[gentoo-dev] Re: How to speed up maintenance and other Gentoo work?
Hi, (Mail sent to gentoo-dev gentoo-scm, please Fu2 gentoo-scm only) On Sat, Mar 07, 2009 at 06:29:08PM -0800, Robin H. Johnson wrote: On Sat, Mar 07, 2009 at 07:57:02PM -0500, Caleb Cushing wrote: On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Alec Warner anta...@gentoo.org wrote: People are working on the whole 'replace cvs with git' thing on the gentoo-scm list. I'm supposedly on that list and I haven't gotten a message all week? is it low traffic? or do I have a subscription/other problem. It's fairly low traffic. The last discussion was just under 2 weeks ago, was about how Manifests would need to be changed to cut down on merge conflicts. The last proposal on that was to consider a form of slim Manifest for developers only (it would still be a full form going to rsync), where objects in git were not explicitly tracked in the Manifest, but rather but signed commits (not tags), as their checksums were tracked by the DVCS anyway. Additionally, there is this pending item on a Git resource usage bug that hurts badly during the initial clone: http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-scm/msg_df7c98ec7d2e313856bec31769df407f.xml Following this discussion on the dev list, it appears that some of us missed the 'replace cvs with git' project going on here (on gentoo-scm). As it's very time consuming to find the relevant previous threads. So, could someone give us more information of the state of the project ? (general expected workflow, technical issues, etc) A brief abstract would be very much appreciated. I've read the above link. Now, I know about the Manifest issue. Also, did you had information on how git hosted overlays work ? Thanks, -- Nicolas Sebrecht
[gentoo-dev] Re: How to speed up maintenance and other Gentoo work?
On Sat, Mar 07, 2009 at 02:22:00AM -0500, Caleb Cushing wrote: On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 7:50 AM, Nicolas Sebrecht nicolas.s-...@laposte.net wrote: Give a git access to the developpers beside the current CVS ? or replace cvs with git... oh and you can replace rsync too... because git is faster there as well. Provide a git only access today is not serious. Some developpers may not want to learn/switch to git. It could be a long term goal, however. I'm not thinking of internal tools efficiency. It's all about workflow. Also, rsync just do what it has to do the right way. Git does not fit to that kind of job. -- Nicolas Sebrecht
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: How to speed up maintenance and other Gentoo work?
On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:22 PM, Caleb Cushing xenoterrac...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 7:50 AM, Nicolas Sebrecht nicolas.s-...@laposte.net wrote: Give a git access to the developpers beside the current CVS ? or replace cvs with git... oh and you can replace rsync too... because git is faster there as well. People are working on the whole 'replace cvs with git' thing on the gentoo-scm list. -- Caleb Cushing http://xenoterracide.blogspot.com
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: How to speed up maintenance and other Gentoo work?
On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Alec Warner anta...@gentoo.org wrote: People are working on the whole 'replace cvs with git' thing on the gentoo-scm list. I'm supposedly on that list and I haven't gotten a message all week? is it low traffic? or do I have a subscription/other problem. -- Caleb Cushing http://xenoterracide.blogspot.com
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: How to speed up maintenance and other Gentoo work?
On Sat, Mar 07, 2009 at 07:57:02PM -0500, Caleb Cushing wrote: On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Alec Warner anta...@gentoo.org wrote: People are working on the whole 'replace cvs with git' thing on the gentoo-scm list. I'm supposedly on that list and I haven't gotten a message all week? is it low traffic? or do I have a subscription/other problem. It's fairly low traffic. The last discussion was just under 2 weeks ago, was about how Manifests would need to be changed to cut down on merge conflicts. The last proposal on that was to consider a form of slim Manifest for developers only (it would still be a full form going to rsync), where objects in git were not explicitly tracked in the Manifest, but rather but signed commits (not tags), as their checksums were tracked by the DVCS anyway. Additionally, there is this pending item on a Git resource usage bug that hurts badly during the initial clone: http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-scm/msg_df7c98ec7d2e313856bec31769df407f.xml -- Robin Hugh Johnson Gentoo Linux Developer Infra Guy E-Mail : robb...@gentoo.org GnuPG FP : 11AC BA4F 4778 E3F6 E4ED F38E B27B 944E 3488 4E85 pgp5sSjR9Ckc7.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-dev] Re: How to speed up maintenance and other Gentoo work?
On Wed, 04 Mar 2009 04:01:36 +0200 Mart Raudsepp l...@gentoo.org wrote: I'm collecting ideas from the wider development and contributing community on how to help maintainers and contributors get work done quicker, or rephrased - how to get more done in the limited time we have. This basically means ideas for tools, scripts, or functionality in some hypothetical centralized maintainer helper website or GUI/CLI program that would help save time in taking care of some of the gruntwork that gets done by maintainers right now manually or by scripts that don't get shared and re-used and generalized as much as they could. Then afterwards I can sort through the suggestions/ideas, try to make a summary and arrange some of them to actually happen. One tool I used a lot before metadata.xml USE flags sprung up everywhere was metagen (in the tree under apps-portage), written by pythonhead. For anyone who hasn't used it, it's a commandline util written in python (surprise!) for generating metadata.xml. You can give it a herd, maintainer name/email, maintainer description, package description, etc., and it will hock out a xml loogie for you. I've been meaning to update it for USE flags (and whatever else we're stuffing into xml these days) as a learn-python project, but like all my learn-* projects it's never gotten anywhere. Maybe someone with the requisite skills and boredom level might be interested in poking at it. -- gcc-porting, by design, by neglect treecleaner, for a fact or just for effect wxwidgets @ gentoo EFFD 380E 047A 4B51 D2BD C64F 8AA8 8346 F9A4 0662 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-dev] Re: How to speed up maintenance and other Gentoo work?
Ryan Hill dirtye...@gentoo.org posted 20090306194452.6b5bf...@halo.dirtyepic.sk.ca, excerpted below, on Fri, 06 Mar 2009 19:44:52 -0600: You can give [metagen] a herd, maintainer name/email, maintainer description, package description, etc., and it will hock out a xml loogie for you. LOL. Never seen it described quite /that/ way before, but it's... interesting! =:^) I've been meaning to update it [...] as a learn-python project, but like all my learn-* projects it's never gotten anywhere. You to, eh? (For me, the dev-manual, etc, and perhaps ultimately, Gentoo-dev, is on that list, too.) Well, one thing's for sure, a long list /does/ tend to be a decently effective boredom repellent... What's frustrating is that as one gets older (42 here), it's no longer possible to work all day and study/play all nite for 36 hours at a stretch, and be effective at both, as it used to be. But the internal scheduler doesn't seem to understand that so keeps adding stuff to that todo list as if it were! So all you youngun's out there, pick it up while you can! Oh, and [waving cane] GET OFF MY LAWN!! -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master. Richard Stallman
Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: How to speed up maintenance and other Gentoo work?
On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 7:50 AM, Nicolas Sebrecht nicolas.s-...@laposte.net wrote: Give a git access to the developpers beside the current CVS ? or replace cvs with git... oh and you can replace rsync too... because git is faster there as well. -- Caleb Cushing http://xenoterracide.blogspot.com
[gentoo-dev] Re: How to speed up maintenance and other Gentoo work?
On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 04:01:36AM +0200, Mart Raudsepp wrote: I'm collecting ideas from the wider development and contributing community on how to help maintainers and contributors get work done quicker, or rephrased - how to get more done in the limited time we have. Give a git access to the developpers beside the current CVS ? -- Nicolas Sebrecht
