Re: [gentoo-user] Realistic Install timeframe
On Fri, 21 Mar 2003 10:26:28 -0500 Trey Sizemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was thinking of installing Gentoo on my maching starting this afternoon. My machine in a PII400 with 512M RAM, ATI All-inWonder 128 video, CD-RW, 48X CD, Iiyama 450. Would it be realistic if I started install (my first Gentoo install - currently dual-booting WinXP and Libranet 2.7) at stage 1 this afternoon, that I could have a functioning (KDE, email, browser) up and running by tomorrow sometime? If so, I'll probably give it a try. Thanks. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list I run Gentoo on a pIII 700 mobile with 512 mb on a 5400 hd, I start at stage 3, get my system up as far as I can to boot into it normaly and then I run an emerge -e world. For Fluxbox, Xfree 4.3.0, Win4Lin, Sylpheed, Phoenix and Xine, it takes a total of about 7 hrs. doing it this way takes me less userinput while still have everything optimized for my system. after my boot in my Gentoo system, I run emerge -ef world for about 10 minutes in one terminal, and when Perl is downloaded, I start emerge -e world in another terminal. This way, all the files are already there when the compiling is started. runs like a charm. KDE 3.1 took me about 22 hrs to compile on this system. You could start with kdebase first (takes about 5 hrs) and then add packages as you need them. (kdegames, kdenetwork etc etc) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Realistic Install timeframe
I was thinking of installing Gentoo on my maching starting this afternoon. My machine in a PII400 with 512M RAM, ATI All-inWonder 128 video, CD-RW, 48X CD, Iiyama 450. Would it be realistic if I started install (my first Gentoo install - currently dual-booting WinXP and Libranet 2.7) at stage 1 this afternoon, that I could have a functioning (KDE, email, browser) up and running by tomorrow sometime? If so, I'll probably give it a try. I'm afraid not, only if you use binary packages. I would set aside a full weekend for it. Gwendolyn. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Realistic Install timeframe
On Fri, 2003-03-21 at 16:26, Trey Sizemore wrote: I was thinking of installing Gentoo on my maching starting this afternoon. My machine in a PII400 with 512M RAM, ATI All-inWonder 128 video, CD-RW, 48X CD, Iiyama 450. Would it be realistic if I started install (my first Gentoo install - currently dual-booting WinXP and Libranet 2.7) at stage 1 this afternoon, that I could have a functioning (KDE, email, browser) up and running by tomorrow sometime? If so, I'll probably give it a try. Thanks. I just upgraded to KDE 3.1.1 tonight. It took around 15 hours to compile everything on a P4 2.0GHz with 1GB Ram. When I installed Gentoo, I took a weekend for it. I used the first day just for bootstrap (not a lenghty process in itself, but I needed time to setup the partitions, configure the kernel and other stuff). Then I went stage 3 during the night. On sunday morning I had a bootable system at stage 3. I then emerged X, Gmome, Evolution, Mozilla and Emacs. If I remember well, it took about one day to complete the task. On Monday morning all I had to do was to install from CD the f90 compiler I use at work and I had an 'usable' (in n00b sense) system. After that, I emerged the rest of my system during the following days. -- Arturo di Gioia web: http://www.ing.unitn.it/~digioia/ PGP public key: http://www.ing.unitn.it/~digioia/files/adg_gpg_pub.asc Instructions for using my e-mail address: http://netiquette.info/ Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments: http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Realistic Install timeframe
I was thinking of installing Gentoo on my maching starting this afternoon. My machine in a PII400 with 512M RAM, ATI All-inWonder 128 video, CD-RW, 48X CD, Iiyama 450. Would it be realistic if I started install (my first Gentoo install - currently dual-booting WinXP and Libranet 2.7) at stage 1 this afternoon, that I could have a functioning (KDE, email, browser) up and running by tomorrow sometime? If so, I'll probably give it a try. Thanks. If you need your machine useable by tomorrow, but don't want to wait for KDE, Evolution, Mozilla, etc. to compile, why not first install some lightweight apps, then go ahead and start using your system while the big boys compile in the background? If you were to use fluxbox|openbox|enlightenment as your temporary window manager, mutt|sylpheed as your temporary email app, and phoenix-bin as your temporary web browser, I imagine you could be up tomorrow no problem. Mozilla, KDE, etc. could compile after that. Just an idea... Doug Gorley | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Realistic Install timeframe
On Fri, 2003-03-21 at 10:26, Trey Sizemore wrote: I was thinking of installing Gentoo on my maching starting this afternoon. My machine in a PII400 with 512M RAM, ATI All-inWonder 128 video, CD-RW, 48X CD, Iiyama 450. Would it be realistic if I started install (my first Gentoo install - currently dual-booting WinXP and Libranet 2.7) at stage 1 this afternoon, that I could have a functioning (KDE, email, browser) up and running by tomorrow sometime? If so, I'll probably give it a try. I've done a recent install on an AMD K6-2/500/384M with 30G 7200RPM drive. From a Stage 1 tarball to a complete KDE3.1 desktop took almost four days of continuous running (5 days wallclock). -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Realistic Install timeframe
On Friday 21 March 2003 10:26 am, Trey Sizemore wrote: I was thinking of installing Gentoo on my maching starting this afternoon. My machine in a PII400 with 512M RAM, ATI All-inWonder 128 video, CD-RW, 48X CD, Iiyama 450. Would it be realistic if I started install (my first Gentoo install - currently dual-booting WinXP and Libranet 2.7) at stage 1 this afternoon, that I could have a functioning (KDE, email, browser) up and running by tomorrow sometime? If so, I'll probably give it a try. Thanks. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list You COULD install from the GRP CD images. That should get you up and running in the time frame you're talking about. The disadvantage is that you will be loosing a lot of the individual optomizations that make Gentoo special. With the GRP precompiled binaries, you can install an X server and KDE in minutes instead of days but it is likely that an emerge -u world will take quite a while (24 hours perhaps) but at least the machine will be usable durring that time. Somebody that has installed from GRP should jump in here and correct me if I'm wrong -- Regards, Ernie 100% Microsoft and Intel free -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Realistic Install timeframe
Using the GRP CD images and starting from a stage3 tarball the individual package downloads, updates, and compiling the kernel on an AthlonXP 2100 with a Gig of ram and a 640k DSL line take 5-7 hours. Actually, don't quote me on the time... I go to bed and its done when I wake up. ;0) Unfortunately I have yet to make it past the reboot after finishing the kernel compile, but that's just because this is such a huge learning curve for me. I am rather curious though why gentoo takes so long to compile and setup verses some of the other distros? Is it simply that we get to compile our custom kernel and the others just give you a kernel compiled the way they want, or is there more to it than that? -Original Message- From: Ernie Schroder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 11:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Realistic Install timeframe On Friday 21 March 2003 10:26 am, Trey Sizemore wrote: I was thinking of installing Gentoo on my maching starting this afternoon. My machine in a PII400 with 512M RAM, ATI All-inWonder 128 video, CD-RW, 48X CD, Iiyama 450. Would it be realistic if I started install (my first Gentoo install - currently dual-booting WinXP and Libranet 2.7) at stage 1 this afternoon, that I could have a functioning (KDE, email, browser) up and running by tomorrow sometime? If so, I'll probably give it a try. Thanks. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list You COULD install from the GRP CD images. That should get you up and running in the time frame you're talking about. The disadvantage is that you will be loosing a lot of the individual optomizations that make Gentoo special. With the GRP precompiled binaries, you can install an X server and KDE in minutes instead of days but it is likely that an emerge -u world will take quite a while (24 hours perhaps) but at least the machine will be usable durring that time. Somebody that has installed from GRP should jump in here and correct me if I'm wrong -- Regards, Ernie 100% Microsoft and Intel free -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Realistic Install timeframe
On a p2 400, i would realisticly count on 2+ days for a fully functional KDE, mainly XFree86 and mozilla are the culprets for most of the time needed. On Fri, 2003-03-21 at 10:11, Graham, Steve wrote: Using the GRP CD images and starting from a stage3 tarball the individual package downloads, updates, and compiling the kernel on an AthlonXP 2100 with a Gig of ram and a 640k DSL line take 5-7 hours. Actually, don't quote me on the time... I go to bed and its done when I wake up. ;0) Unfortunately I have yet to make it past the reboot after finishing the kernel compile, but that's just because this is such a huge learning curve for me. I am rather curious though why gentoo takes so long to compile and setup verses some of the other distros? Is it simply that we get to compile our custom kernel and the others just give you a kernel compiled the way they want, or is there more to it than that? -Original Message- From: Ernie Schroder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 11:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Realistic Install timeframe On Friday 21 March 2003 10:26 am, Trey Sizemore wrote: I was thinking of installing Gentoo on my maching starting this afternoon. My machine in a PII400 with 512M RAM, ATI All-inWonder 128 video, CD-RW, 48X CD, Iiyama 450. Would it be realistic if I started install (my first Gentoo install - currently dual-booting WinXP and Libranet 2.7) at stage 1 this afternoon, that I could have a functioning (KDE, email, browser) up and running by tomorrow sometime? If so, I'll probably give it a try. Thanks. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list You COULD install from the GRP CD images. That should get you up and running in the time frame you're talking about. The disadvantage is that you will be loosing a lot of the individual optomizations that make Gentoo special. With the GRP precompiled binaries, you can install an X server and KDE in minutes instead of days but it is likely that an emerge -u world will take quite a while (24 hours perhaps) but at least the machine will be usable durring that time. Somebody that has installed from GRP should jump in here and correct me if I'm wrong -- Aaron M. Matteson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.loreland.com Fear is the mind killer. Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration. -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GCS/GCC d s: a- C+ UL+++ P++ L+++ E W++ N o- K w-- ! M- V--PS PE+ Y+ PGP++ t+ 5+++ X+ R- tv+ b++ DI++ D++ G e* h* r++ y++ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] Realistic Install timeframe
Trey Sizemore wrote: I was thinking of installing Gentoo on my maching starting this afternoon. My machine in a PII400 with 512M RAM, ATI All-inWonder 128 video, CD-RW, 48X CD, Iiyama 450. Would it be realistic if I started install (my first Gentoo install - currently dual-booting WinXP and Libranet 2.7) at stage 1 this afternoon, that I could have a functioning (KDE, email, browser) up and running by tomorrow sometime? If so, I'll probably give it a try. Thanks. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list IMHO, no. KDE could take you up to 24 hours to build. (It did on my laptop and it's a 1GH PIII. =C= -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Realistic Install timeframe
On Friday 21 March 2003 18:52, Ernie Schroder wrote: You COULD install from the GRP CD images. That should get you up and running in the time frame you're talking about. The disadvantage is that you will be loosing a lot of the individual optomizations that make Gentoo special. With the GRP precompiled binaries, you can install an X server and KDE in minutes instead of days but it is likely that an emerge -u world will take quite a while (24 hours perhaps) but at least the machine will be usable durring that time. Somebody that has installed from GRP should jump in here and correct me if I'm wrong I used GRP on one instance to kickstart my gentoo install. While needing still a lot of merging the GRP made my system usable fast. This enabled me to do other things while gentoo was upgrading. For me this was invaluable. Paul -- Paul de Vrieze Researcher Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.devrieze.net pgp0.pgp Description: signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Realistic Install timeframe
On Friday 21 March 2003 21:08, Matthew Kennedy wrote: I always install from stage1 and I never wait for it to compile. Consider building everything you need from which ever stage in a chroot'ed environment on your existing GNU/Linux distribution. This way you can still be productive while your build proceeds. When its done, tar it up and reboot to install it. Down-time for me each time I do this about 20 minutes (the time to reboot and unpack it). Of course this is a viable solution. The only problem is that it doesn't work if there is no previous linux distro, just some NTFS partition you don't even know of what it contains. Paul -- Paul de Vrieze Researcher Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.devrieze.net pgp0.pgp Description: signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Realistic Install timeframe
On Fri, 2003-03-21 at 15:38, Robert Claeson wrote: Kwan Lowe wrote: I've done a recent install on an AMD K6-2/500/384M with 30G 7200RPM drive. From a Stage 1 tarball to a complete KDE3.1 desktop took almost four days of continuous running (5 days wallclock). Does starting from stage 1 buy you much vs starting from stage 2 or 3? I've not noticed any radical changes, but I've not benchmarked anything. KDE3.1 does have some noticeable speedups versus KDE 3.0, however. There doesn't seem to be a huge difference between a similarly configured RH8.0 box running KDE3.1; but again, this is only my perception. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Realistic Install timeframe
I know of the stage 1-3 tarballs that can be used, but what is GRP? This sounds faster, but I'm not sure what it is. GRP stands for Gentoo Reference Platform. It is a set of prebuild packages that optionally comes with the 1.4_rc2 liveCD. One can just use emerge -K kde to install the whole of kde without compiling. (albeight it is an old version, and not personalized) It speeds up getting the system in a useable state. That means you can use the system while you get it in an uptodate state. Paul -- Paul de Vrieze Researcher Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.devrieze.net pgp0.pgp Description: signature
