Re: [gentoo-user] Way OT - date listed for a directory in ls -l
On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 10:51:41 -0500, Michael Sullivan wrote: Under what condition is the date of a directory (shown with ls -l) updated? Is it when the directory is created, or when a file somewhere below the directory is updated or some other time? I make weekly backups of the user accounts on my server box. Because space and CD media are in limited supply (at least for me) I write the backups to CD once a month. Full backups are made on Sunday and after a new Sunday's backup has been made I edit the previous Sunday's backup and delete all files that hadn't been changed recently when that backup (the one I'm editing) was made. This is a somewhat time-consuming method. I was just wondering if the directory date could give me a clue as to the date of the most recent file updated under that directory... Try rdiff-backup, it does more or less what you are doing manually, without all the hassle or potential for error. -- Neil Bothwick They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin pgpYuFC0322uh.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] emerge -u world fails -- broke compiler?
Hello everybody,
This is another C compiler cannot create executables
error :( There's a lot of stuff in the archive about
it but nothing I've seen so far seems to suit my case.
I ran emerge --sync successfully and then tried -uv
world; it failed trying to compile sed-4.1.4
Sure enough, compiling Hello_World.c, did not produce
the .o file
Anyways, here's the /var/tmp/portage/../config.log:
This file contains any messages produced by compilers
while
running configure, to aid debugging if configure makes
a mistake.
It was created by sed configure 4.1.4, which was
generated by GNU Autoconf 2.59. Invocation command
line was
$ ./configure --prefix=/usr --host=i686-pc-linux-gnu
--mandir=/usr/share/man --infodir=/usr/share/info
--datadir=/usr/share --sysconfdir=/etc
--localstatedir=/var/lib --enable-nls
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## Platform. ##
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hostname = dayglo
uname -m = i686
uname -r = 2.6.11-gentoo-r3
uname -s = Linux
uname -v = #3 Wed Aug 3 11:42:53 Local time zone must
be set--see zic manua
/usr/bin/uname -p = AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3100+
/bin/uname -X = unknown
/bin/arch = i686
/usr/bin/arch -k = unknown
/usr/convex/getsysinfo = unknown
hostinfo = unknown
/bin/machine = unknown
/usr/bin/oslevel = unknown
/bin/universe = unknown
PATH: /sbin
PATH: /usr/sbin
PATH: /usr/lib/portage/bin
PATH: /bin
PATH: /usr/bin
PATH: /usr/local/bin
PATH: /opt/bin
PATH: /usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.3.5
PATH: /opt/ati/bin
PATH: /usr/qt/3/bin
PATH: /usr/kde/3.4/sbin
PATH: /usr/kde/3.4/bin
## --- ##
## Core tests. ##
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configure:1376: checking for a BSD-compatible install
configure:1431: result: /bin/install -c
configure:1442: checking whether build environment is
sane
configure:1485: result: yes
configure:1550: checking for gawk
configure:1566: found /bin/gawk
configure:1576: result: gawk
configure:1586: checking whether make sets $(MAKE)
configure:1606: result: yes
configure:1682: checking for i686-pc-linux-gnu-strip
configure:1711: result: no
configure:1720: checking for strip
configure:1736: found /usr/bin/strip
configure:1747: result: strip
configure:1791: checking for i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc
configure:1807: found /usr/bin/i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc
configure:1817: result: i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc
configure:2099: checking for C compiler version
configure:2102: i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc --version
/dev/null 5
i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc (GCC) 3.3.5 (Gentoo Linux
3.3.5-r1, ssp-3.3.2-3, pie-8.7.7.1)
Copyright (C) 2003 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
This is free software; see the source for copying
conditions. There is NO
warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR
A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
configure:2105: $? = 0
configure:2107: i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -v /dev/null
5
Reading specs from
/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.3.5/specs
Configured with:
/var/tmp/portage/gcc-3.3.5-r1/work/gcc-3.3.5/configure
--enable-version-specific-runtime-libs --prefix=/usr
--bindir=/usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.3.5
--includedir=/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.3.5/include
--datadir=/usr/share/gcc-data/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.3.5
--mandir=/usr/share/gcc-data/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.3.5/man
--infodir=/usr/share/gcc-data/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.3.5/info
--with-gxx-include-dir=/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.3.5/include/g++-v3
--host=i686-pc-linux-gnu --disable-altivec
--enable-nls --without-included-gettext
--enable-__cxa_atexit --enable-clocale=gnu
--with-system-zlib --disable-checking --disable-werror
--disable-libunwind-exceptions --enable-shared
--enable-threads=posix --disable-multilib
--disable-libgcj --enable-languages=c,c++
Thread model: posix
gcc version 3.3.5 (Gentoo Linux 3.3.5-r1,
ssp-3.3.2-3, pie-8.7.7.1)
configure:2110: $? = 0
configure:2112: i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -V /dev/null
5
i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc: `-V' option must have argument
configure:2115: $? = 1
configure:2138: checking for C compiler default output
file name
configure:2141: i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc -O2 -march=i686
-fomit-frame-pointer conftest.c 5
cc1: /usr/local/include: Not a directory
configure:2144: $? = 1
configure: failed program was:
| /* confdefs.h. */
|
| #define PACKAGE_NAME sed
| #define PACKAGE_TARNAME sed
| #define PACKAGE_VERSION 4.1.4
| #define PACKAGE_STRING sed 4.1.4
| #define PACKAGE_BUGREPORT [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| #define PACKAGE sed
| #define VERSION 4.1.4
| #define SED_FEATURE_VERSION 4.1
| /* end confdefs.h. */
|
| int
| main ()
| {
|
| ;
| return 0;
| }
configure:2183: error: C compiler cannot create
executables
See `config.log' for more details.
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[gentoo-user] audacity and gtk not playing nice
I had that problem a while ago, the solution is also on the gentoo wiki. In addition to the forums and bug reports, check gentoo-wiki.com whenever you've got a problem. There's TONS of valueable information there. There's a searchbar plugin for firefox. -- 8^) Laterz- ~Alvin http://CoolAJ86.Havenite.net --- I don't have any reason to take a shower anymore because there aren't any girls I like right now. ~ SlickC92 begin:vcard fn:Alvin A ONeal Jr n:ONeal;Alvin adr;dom:;;34 Fletcher Lane;Shelburne;VT;05482 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] tel;work:1.802.877.2938 tel;home:1.802.985.5277 tel;cell:1.802.578.0599 note;quoted-printable:DoB: 19860616=0D=0A= x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://coolaj86.havenite.net version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: [gentoo-user] conf.d/domainname
No, that does not mean if you want or not DHCP. Just if you want your domain name overridden when dhcp provides you one. FernandoOn 8/14/05, John Dangler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am setting up Gentoo (2.6.12-r6) on a standalone laptop with DHCP and was trying to find some input as to the OVERRIDE setting in the conf.d/domainname file. it says if I want to override DHCP, set it to 1 (default). Does this indicate if I _want_ DHCP that I should set it to something else (0) or comment it (#) ? Thanks for the input. John D
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo or Linux from Scratch - Perspectives?
Paul Hoy wrote: Hi all, This email isn't intended to troll, but to explore Linux variants that share certain characteristics. I really like Gentoo and I like that fact that it does a pretty good job at supporting Gnome, however, it's still behind other releases, such as Fedora, in terms of when it releases updates, etc. Linux from Scratch looks very interesting: it appears to rapidly support the latest updates and it has decent documentation. Does any one have any perspectives on Linux from Scratch, from a Gentoo point-of-view? Does anyone wish to share a comparison of the two? Thanks all, Paul Hi Paul, Are we really far behind? That's difficult to believe. For what packages specifically? Do you know how to unmask unstable packages (marked M or M~ at packages.gentoo.org)? Zac -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo or Linux from Scratch - Perspectives?
On Sunday August 14 2005 2:42 pm, Paul Hoy wrote: Linux from Scratch looks very interesting: it appears to rapidly support the latest updates and it has decent documentation. Does any one have any perspectives on Linux from Scratch, from a Gentoo point-of-view? Does anyone wish to share a comparison of the two? I've built both Gentoo and LFS. A side by side comparison comes up pretty much equal. Except for documentation, where Gentoo wins hands down. IMO googlegentoo=3,990,000 hits googlelfs=877,000 hits -jm -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo or Linux from Scratch - Perspectives?
On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 16:05:22 -0500, Joe Menola wrote: I've built both Gentoo and LFS. A side by side comparison comes up pretty much equal. Except for documentation, where Gentoo wins hands down. IMO What about package management? -- Neil Bothwick Bother, said Pooh, as the media exposed his sexual depravity. pgp2gt2LL9QQM.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo or Linux from Scratch - Perspectives?
On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 15:42:19 -0400, Paul Hoy wrote: I really like Gentoo and I like that fact that it does a pretty good job at supporting Gnome, however, it's still behind other releases, such as Fedora, in terms of when it releases updates, etc. Gentoo has rolling updates, so it is always up to date. If you want to run the latest of everything you will need to run a ~arch system. There are no releases for Gentoo beyond the installation live CDs. Once installed, provided you keep up to date, there is no difference between a system installed three years ago and one installed yesterday. -- Neil Bothwick Windows Error #09: Game Over. Exiting Windows. pgpu7Ej2whx5x.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo or Linux from Scratch - Perspectives?
On Sunday August 14 2005 4:22 pm, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 16:05:22 -0500, Joe Menola wrote: I've built both Gentoo and LFS. A side by side comparison comes up pretty much equal. Except for documentation, where Gentoo wins hands down. IMO What about package management? Good point, since LFS has none built in, I guess Gentoo wins here as well. -jm -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo or Linux from Scratch - Perspectives?
On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 13:12:31 -0700 Zac Medico wrote: Hi Paul, Are we really far behind? That's difficult to believe. For what packages specifically? Do you know how to unmask unstable packages (marked M or M~ at packages.gentoo.org)? Unstable does not really cut it IMHO. I am a gentoo enthusiast through and through, but plonking something in portage with a ~ beside it does not constitute a release of a recent version IMHO. Zac -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Install pcmcia-cs (during install)
The handbook instructs USE=-X emerge pcmcia-cs emerge returns: emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy pcmcia-cs Anyone know why this is returned? John D
[gentoo-user] Logitech USB headset
Has anyone had any luck with the Logitech USB headsets? I'm running 2.6.12-r4 and have enabled USB audio support and the USB devices in the Alsa section. I'm trying to get Skype to work and I've set the sound device to /dev/dsp2 (which is what appears when I plug the headset in), but I don't hear anything and I can't record anything with Sound Recorder. My user account is in the audio group, too. I'm obviously missing something, probably something stupid. -- Dan -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo or Linux from Scratch - Perspectives?
Nick Rout schreef: On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 13:12:31 -0700 Zac Medico wrote: Hi Paul, Are we really far behind? That's difficult to believe. For what packages specifically? Do you know how to unmask unstable packages (marked M or M~ at packages.gentoo.org)? Unstable does not really cut it IMHO. I am a gentoo enthusiast through and through, but plonking something in portage with a ~ beside it does not constitute a release of a recent version IMHO. OK, I'll bite. What then do you consider a release of a recent version to be constituted from? If it's been released upstream, and it's in Portage a couple of hours later, so I can install it, I don't know what more you could want what, you want a Mandrake- (or worse, still, Debian) -style wait of months before you can use the upstream version? I'll grant you that it's sometimes a little bumpy... but then you might as well be running Slack or something (not that there's anything wrong with Slackware except the appalling package management). But since I have yet to find a problem I couldn't solve in a few minutes-- and if I couldn't, it was clearly a dev issue/b.g.o issue, where I could generally count on it to be solved within hours, if not prior to my discovery-- I really can't quite see what you're on about. What would be different in the Gentoo you envision? Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo or Linux from Scratch - Perspectives?
On Sunday August 14 2005 4:37 pm, Nick Rout wrote: On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 16:05:22 -0500 Joe Menola wrote: On Sunday August 14 2005 2:42 pm, Paul Hoy wrote: Linux from Scratch looks very interesting: it appears to rapidly support the latest updates and it has decent documentation. Does any one have any perspectives on Linux from Scratch, from a Gentoo point-of-view? Does anyone wish to share a comparison of the two? I've built both Gentoo and LFS. A side by side comparison comes up pretty much equal. Except for documentation, where Gentoo wins hands down. IMO Well given that LFS is nothing but documentation ( along howto), that doesn't leave much... When an app doesn't compile, the 1 page howto doesn't help much, seeing as how you probably already followed it. -jm -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Install pcmcia-cs (during install)
John Dangler schreef: The handbook instructs ‘USE=”-X” emerge pcmcia-cs’ emerge returns: ‘emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy “pcmcia-cs” Anyone know why this is returned? John D Well, the package certainly exists: eix pcmcia * sys-apps/pcmcia-cs Available versions: ~3.2.7-r3 3.2.8 3.2.8-r2 Installed: no Homepage:http://pcmcia-cs.sourceforge.net Description: PCMCIA tools for Linux * sys-apps/pcmcia-cs-cis Available versions: ~3.2.8-r1 Installed: no Homepage:http://pcmcia-cs.sourceforge.net Description: PCMCIA CIS files for use with pcmciautils * sys-apps/pcmcia-cs-modules Available versions: 3.2.8 Installed: no Homepage:http://pcmcia-cs.sourceforge.net Description: PCMCIA modules for Linux 2.4.x * sys-apps/pcmciautils Available versions: ~004 ~005 ~006 ~007 Installed: no Homepage: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/pcmcia/ Description: PCMCIA userspace utilities for Linux kernel 2.6.13 and beyond And it certainly can be emerged with or without X: emerge -pv pcmcia-cs These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuild N] sys-apps/pcmcia-cs-3.2.8-r2 +X +gtk +gtk2 -trusted -vanilla -xforms 1,242 kB USE=-X emerge -pv pcmcia-cs These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuild N] sys-apps/pcmcia-cs-3.2.8-r2 -X +gtk +gtk2 -trusted -vanilla -xforms 1,242 kB Total size of downloads: 1,242 kB So I would suspect a typo, frankly. Or a mask, based on your profile? Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo or Linux from Scratch - Perspectives?
On Sunday 21 August 2005 22:05, Jerry McBride wrote: What and where EXACTLY is gentoo behind any other release? gcc4 since fedora switched to gcc4, all the version-number-junkies got itchy. Is not too bad, if some of them go to fedora... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo or Linux from Scratch - Perspectives?
On Sunday August 14 2005 4:38 pm, Nick Rout wrote: Unstable does not really cut it IMHO. I am a gentoo enthusiast through and through, but plonking something in portage with a ~ beside it does not constitute a release of a recent version IMHO. Can you name any version of Linux where version upgrades go directly into stable? It's all about choice...the latest n greatest or tried n true. And that's how it is in any flavor of Linux I've tried, LFS included. -jm -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] visualizar particion windows
Fernando Meira wrote: To see/access a windows partition, you should mount it. you can do something like this (assuming your windoz fs is ntfs): $ mount -t ntfs /dev/hdaX /mnt/windows where hdaX is the windoz partition. Don't forget to make /mnt/windows beforehand ($ mkdir /mnt/windows) I think dbus/hal/ivman would take care of this. Only requirenment is to have FAT compiled in the kernel (or as module.) On a side note: does anyone know how to make ivman _ignore_ a partition? I have a separate /boot partition, and ivman mounts it even when fstab says _noauto_ :( -- Norberto Bensa 4544-9692 / 15-4190-6344 Ciudad de Buenos Aires, Argentina pgpAK6doiJrxb.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo or Linux from Scratch - Perspectives?
Holly Bostick wrote: What would be different in the Gentoo you envision? I'll bit too. ;-) On the gentoo-dev list I've heard talk of a QA feedback system so that users can report WORKSFORME on unstable packages. This will provide the data necessary to help know when packages should be marked stable. Zac -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo or Linux from Scratch - Perspectives?
On Aug 14, 2005, at 5:05 PM, Joe Menola wrote: On Sunday August 14 2005 2:42 pm, Paul Hoy wrote: Linux from Scratch looks very interesting: it appears to rapidly support the latest updates and it has decent documentation. Does any one have any perspectives on Linux from Scratch, from a Gentoo point-of-view? Does anyone wish to share a comparison of the two? I've built both Gentoo and LFS. A side by side comparison comes up pretty much equal. Except for documentation, where Gentoo wins hands down. IMO googlegentoo=3,990,000 hits googlelfs=877,000 hits -jm -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list Hi Joe, What about the LFS community - did you find it helpful? Of course, the answer is probably objective. Developer types may not have to rely so much on community whereas those who have the great capacity to take forever to understand the point, like myself, require a good community. Also, I agree with you that the Gentoo documentation (most of it) is excellent; I've printed, and have read most of it. One more question, and it's the most obvious. You said that Gentoo and LFS are more or less equal. So, that begs the question: what persuaded you to stick with Gentoo? Thanks , Paul -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Logitech USB headset
Checked the output from dmesg? (dmesg |tail) And check your mixer levels :)On 8/15/05, David H. Askew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is the device muted?have you checked the volume levels ... ?On 17:49 Sun 14 Aug , Dan Anderson wrote: Has anyone had any luck with the Logitech USB headsets? I'm running 2.6.12-r4 and have enabled USB audio support and the USB devices in the Alsa section. I'm trying to get Skype to work and I've set the sound device to /dev/dsp2 (which is what appears when I plug the headset in), but I don't hear anything and I can't record anything with Sound Recorder. My user account is in the audio group, too. I'm obviously missing something, probably something stupid. -- Dan -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list--gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo or Linux from Scratch - Perspectives?
On Aug 14, 2005, at 5:33 PM, Joe Menola wrote: On Sunday August 14 2005 4:22 pm, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 16:05:22 -0500, Joe Menola wrote: I've built both Gentoo and LFS. A side by side comparison comes up pretty much equal. Except for documentation, where Gentoo wins hands down. IMO What about package management? Good point, since LFS has none built in, I guess Gentoo wins here as well. -jm -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list Hi guys, Actually, BLFS has six different package management options. Paul -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] 2005.1 basic install - restart
2005.1 / 2.6.12-r6 reboot after basic install, I get a message that says mount: wrong fstype, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda3 or too many mounted filesystems * error mounting local filesystems in fstab /dev/hda3 /tmp reiserfs noatime,notail 0 0 John D
Re: [gentoo-user] Logitech USB headset
On 8/14/05, Oscar Carlsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Checked the output from dmesg? (dmesg |tail) And check your mixer levels :) On 8/15/05, David H. Askew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is the device muted? have you checked the volume levels ... ? This is my dmesg output: usbaudio: device 2 interface 1 altsetting 1: format 0x8010 sratelo 8000 sratehi 48000 attributes 0x01 usbaudio: valid output sample rate 8000 usbaudio: valid output sample rate 48000 usbaudio: valid output sample rate 44100 usbaudio: valid output sample rate 22050 usbaudio: valid output sample rate 11025 usbaudio: device 2 interface 1 altsetting 2: format 0x0010 sratelo 8000 sratehi 48000 attributes 0x01 usbaudio: registered dsp 14,35 usbaudio: constructing mixer for Terminal 6 type 0x0301 usbaudio: warning: found 1 of 2 logical channels. usbaudio: assuming that a stereo channel connected directly to a mixer is missing in search (got Labtec headset?). Should be fine. usbaudio: registered mixer 14,32 usbaudio: constructing mixer for Terminal 11 type 0x0101 usbaudio: registered mixer 14,48 usb_audio_parsecontrol: usb_audio_state at cb6b7e80 codec_semaphore: semaphore is not ready [0x1][0x301300] codec_read 0: semaphore is not ready for register 0x2c codec_semaphore: semaphore is not ready [0x1][0x301300] codec_read 0: semaphore is not ready for register 0x2c The device is unmuted and I can now record in sound recorder (after installing alsa-oss), but I get no sound in skype. I'll have to hit the skype forums again to see what I can find. -- Dan -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo or Linux from Scratch - Perspectives?
On Aug 14, 2005, at 5:38 PM, Nick Rout wrote: On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 13:12:31 -0700 Zac Medico wrote: Hi Paul, Are we really far behind? That's difficult to believe. For what packages specifically? Do you know how to unmask unstable packages (marked M or M~ at packages.gentoo.org)? Unstable does not really cut it IMHO. I am a gentoo enthusiast through and through, but plonking something in portage with a ~ beside it does not constitute a release of a recent version IMHO. Zac -- Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list Hi Nick, Yup, I've unmasked a few packages .. openoffice_ximian, for instance. Paul -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo or Linux from Scratch - Perspectives?
See inline On Aug 14, 2005, at 5:51 PM, Holly Bostick wrote: Nick Rout schreef: On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 13:12:31 -0700 Zac Medico wrote: Hi Paul, Are we really far behind? That's difficult to believe. For what packages specifically? Do you know how to unmask unstable packages (marked M or M~ at packages.gentoo.org)? Unstable does not really cut it IMHO. I am a gentoo enthusiast through and through, but plonking something in portage with a ~ beside it does not constitute a release of a recent version IMHO. OK, I'll bite. What then do you consider a release of a recent version to be constituted from? I don't really understand your question. The most recent version to me coincides to a release date closest to whatever today is. If it's been released upstream, and it's in Portage a couple of hours later, so I can install it, I don't know what more you could want what, you want a Mandrake- (or worse, still, Debian) -style wait of months before you can use the upstream version? I don't agree with you. There are many examples where a file that has been released upstream has not found its way into Portage. I've provided examples elsewhere in this thread. You can also compare with the Fedora feedlist. I'll grant you that it's sometimes a little bumpy... but then you might as well be running Slack or something (not that there's anything wrong with Slackware except the appalling package management). I agree. I don't like like Slackware's package management either. But since I have yet to find a problem I couldn't solve in a few minutes-- and if I couldn't, it was clearly a dev issue/b.g.o issue, where I could generally count on it to be solved within hours, if not prior to my discovery-- I really can't quite see what you're on about. Perhaps you've pointed out the difference in perspectives and experience. I've run into a few problems where it has taken me longer than a merely few mintues to resolve a problem. I'm actually not on about anything. I'm interested in the differrences/similarities between LFC and Gentoo, which I stated in my original email. What would be different in the Gentoo you envision? Well, that's actually the question I'm asking. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo or Linux from Scratch - Perspectives?
Paul Hoy schreef: On Aug 14, 2005, at 5:24 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 15:42:19 -0400, Paul Hoy wrote: I really like Gentoo and I like that fact that it does a pretty good job at supporting Gnome, however, it's still behind other releases, such as Fedora, in terms of when it releases updates, etc. Gentoo has rolling updates, so it is always up to date. If you want to run the latest of everything you will need to run a ~arch system. There are no releases for Gentoo beyond the installation live CDs. Once installed, provided you keep up to date, there is no difference between a system installed three years ago and one installed yesterday. -- Neil Bothwick Windows Error #09: Game Over. Exiting Windows. Hi Neil, ~arch is a little scary for me, since it's not in the stable branch. Paul Well, that's understandable, if that's the way you are, but you (generic) can't have it both ways. If you want the latest upstream release of whatever, it's not necessarily going to be stable... all newly-released software is subject to bugs that only come out with use of the kind that only freaky ol' users can conceive. No distribution marks anything stable until it's old enough to have been worked to death to get the bugs out. Which is fine. Nobody's making anybody use ~, and if you (generic) value stability, you're already used to waiting. It's true that there is a backlog of submitted ebuilds on b.g.o... some of them are perfectly stable (but just aren't in actual Portage yet), some need some help before they'll work properly (because the ebuild writer made some mistakes along the way). I've been following the taskjuggler b.g.o ebuild for a couple of months, and that just made it into Portage yesterday. But I've had taskjuggler for a couple of months (had to hack the ebuild to get it to compile). I'm looking forward to upgrading to the new ebuild to see if all of the kinks have been ironed out. Almost all Linux software is a constantly-evolving WIP, and conforming a WIP to a distribution which itself is a WIP is a big job. The only way it can succeed in terms of being considered temporarily stable is to freeze things at some point. RedHat (Fedora) and other binary distros do this themselves (you won't get thus-and-so version of X application until they've worked out the kinks between the app and the distro). Gentoo relies on you to do this for yourself. Mask all of unstable if that's how you want it (and wait for it to propagate down). Or unmask specific programs that you're willing to deal with some possible instability in order to 'keep up with the Joneses'. Or just live wild and run completely unstable (which usually works, but can go horribly, horribly wrong on occasion-- I still haven't gotten over the PAM debacle that ate my previous Gentoo install). It's up to you. It always is, with Gentoo... which is why I love it. But I don't so much see what there is to debate about-- your system is *yours*; run it the way you want. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] where's the splash?
I setup my grub.conf so that I could see the splash screen on startup but it doesnt show. Did I miss something? grub.conf has vga=0x318 video=vesafb:mtrr,ywrap,[EMAIL PROTECTED] splash=silent was there something else I needed to do in order for this to work? John D
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo or Linux from Scratch - Perspectives?
On Aug 14, 2005, at 6:35 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote:On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 09:38:28 +1200, Nick Rout wrote: Unstable does not really cut it IMHO. I am a gentoo enthusiast throughand through, but plonking something in portage with a ~ beside it doesnot constitute a release of a recent version IMHO. They're not "unstable", they are "testing", and that only applies to theebuild itself, not the upstream package. If you want the latest versions,you need to run ~arch. Any distro that puts brand new packages (with theexception of security fixes) into its stable package tree has thrown allconcept of QA out of the window.-- Neil BothwickTop Oxymorons Number 30: Business ethics Hi Neil,Is there a way to explicitly search for ~arch releases or do I have set the ACCEPT_KEYWORDS variable in make.conf and hope for the best during emerge?PaulACCEPT_KEYWORDS variable
Re: [gentoo-user] where's the splash?
the vga= line contradicts the video= line. Try dropping the vga= argument. On Sun, 2005-08-14 at 21:03 -0400, John Dangler wrote: I setup my grub.conf so that I could see the splash screen on startup – but it doesn’t show. Did I miss something? grub.conf has “… vga=0x318 video=vesafb:mtrr,ywrap,[EMAIL PROTECTED] splash=silent” was there something else I needed to do in order for this to work? John D -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo or Linux from Scratch - Perspectives?
On Aug 14, 2005, at 7:26 PM, Joe Menola wrote: On Sunday August 14 2005 5:43 pm, Paul Hoy wrote: On Aug 14, 2005, at 5:05 PM, Joe Menola wrote: On Sunday August 14 2005 2:42 pm, Paul Hoy wrote: Linux from Scratch looks very interesting: it appears to rapidly support the latest updates and it has decent documentation. Does any one have any perspectives on Linux from Scratch, from a Gentoo point-of-view? Does anyone wish to share a comparison of the two? I've built both Gentoo and LFS. A side by side comparison comes up pretty much equal. Except for documentation, where Gentoo wins hands down. IMO googlegentoo=3,990,000 hits googlelfs=877,000 hits -jm Hi Joe, What about the LFS community - did you find it helpful? Of course, the answer is probably objective. Developer types may not have to rely so much on community whereas those who have the great capacity to take forever to understand the point, like myself, require a good community. Also, I agree with you that the Gentoo documentation (most of it) is excellent; I've printed, and have read most of it. One more question, and it's the most obvious. You said that Gentoo and LFS are more or less equal. So, that begs the question: what persuaded you to stick with Gentoo? Thanks , Paul The LFs community was very helpful, I couldn't have built a working system without them. :) I just find it easier when Goggle finds other documented problems that match mine. The size of the Gentoo user base makes this much more likely with Gentoo vs LFS. To answer the obvious...Gentoo is easier to build then LFS. LFS's style of package by package installing is great for learning the workings of Linux, and I wouldn't trade-in my experience with LFS for anything. Yes, that's what attracted me to Gentoo and to LFS/BLFS also: I'm interested in learning the inner workings of Linux. I've hacked around with Linux since the very early days of Redhat, but I still don't have a comprehensive understanding of the OS. This is despite that fact that I usually used tarballs rather than RPMs, even in Redhat and Fedora. But starting from scratch with LFS and obtaining a working Kde desktop took me (from memory) a few weeks to build. With Gentoo, I was there in a few days thanks to emerge kde-meta. Yeah, there were even some pre-compiled Linux distros in which it took a long time to get a Gnome desktop (vlos and foresight linux, for instance). Like you, it took me a few days to get a working Gnome desktop with Gentoo. -jm -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list Thanks, Joe. This is the kind of conversation I was looking for. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo or Linux from Scratch - Perspectives?
On Aug 14, 2005, at 9:01 PM, Zac Medico wrote: Paul Hoy wrote: On Aug 14, 2005, at 5:24 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 15:42:19 -0400, Paul Hoy wrote: I really like Gentoo and I like that fact that it does a pretty good job at supporting Gnome, however, it's still behind other releases, such as Fedora, in terms of when it releases updates, etc. Gentoo has rolling updates, so it is always up to date. If you want to run the latest of everything you will need to run a ~arch system. There are no releases for Gentoo beyond the installation live CDs. Once installed, provided you keep up to date, there is no difference between a system installed three years ago and one installed yesterday. -- Neil Bothwick Windows Error #09: Game Over. Exiting Windows. Hi Neil, ~arch is a little scary for me, since it's not in the stable branch. We, you do know that you can pick which ~arch packages you want, right? In most cases it's pretty safe to use a keyword masked package, especially if the masked package is not depended on by your core gentoo system. Zac -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list Hi Zac, Yes, I know how to unmask. But, when you say pick which ~arch packages..., does this mean I can search for ~arch packages too or do I have to set the ACCEPT_KEYWORDS variable? Paul -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo or Linux from Scratch - Perspectives?
Paul Hoy schreef: See inline On Aug 14, 2005, at 5:51 PM, Holly Bostick wrote: Nick Rout schreef: On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 13:12:31 -0700 Zac Medico wrote: Hi Paul, Are we really far behind? That's difficult to believe. For what packages specifically? Do you know how to unmask unstable packages (marked M or M~ at packages.gentoo.org)? Unstable does not really cut it IMHO. I am a gentoo enthusiast through and through, but plonking something in portage with a ~ beside it does not constitute a release of a recent version IMHO. OK, I'll bite. What then do you consider a release of a recent version to be constituted from? I don't really understand your question. The most recent version to me coincides to a release date closest to whatever today is. OK, so what you're saying is that an application's entry into Portage unstable does not constitute a 'release' of the package in Gentoo terms, as far as you're concerned? So until Firefox 1.0.6 and KDE 3.4.2 propagate down to stable (which could take time, admittedly), it's not actually released? Well, to each his or her own, I guess. If it's been released upstream, and it's in Portage a couple of hours later, so I can install it, I don't know what more you could want what, you want a Mandrake- (or worse, still, Debian) -style wait of months before you can use the upstream version? I don't agree with you. There are many examples where a file that has been released upstream has not found its way into Portage. I've provided examples elsewhere in this thread. You can also compare with the Fedora feedlist. Yes, I know. I'm creating a list of interesting programs I've discovered that aren't in Portage or b.g.o, to practice my ebuild writing skills. But you know, I don't give the first hairy hoot about the Fedora feedlist. This idea that 'marking' a package 'stable' is some kind of magic bullet that actually *makes* the package stable is starting to get on my nerves a bit. What Gentoo marks or doesn't mark the package, or in fact whether or not it's in Portage, generally has nothing to do with the status of the package itself. There are plenty of perfectly stable packages in Gentoo unstable, plenty of stable ebuilds (meaning that they compile the application correctly, and beyond that point it depends on the upstream stability) in b.g.o, and even a few on breakmygentoo.org. And plenty of 'stable' packages that just act wonky in various ways as upstream manages the changes in whatever they're doing (migrating to the freedesktop standard, implementing DirectX 9 support, working around video driver bugs, kernel bugs, scheduler changes, you name it). I use what I need, and I get what I need from wherever it may happen to be. Most of it comes from Portage, of course, but I've got some ebuilds in my overlay from b.g.o, a couple from Project Utopia, and some perl modules from cpan. It all works pretty well, and when it doesn't, I either ditch the package until it works a bit better, or fix it myself (and report what I had to do up the chain, if appropriate). It all looks a bit patchwork I suppose, but it's my patchwork, and so I know what sticky-out-bit goes where... most of the time. And I decide if there's going to be sticky-out-bits at all...there's no way, with an ATI card, that I'm going anywhere near the new modular X for quite a while, for example. But not because of Gentoo... because there's way too many upstream cooks for me to think they're going to concoct a 'stable' brew, *for me*, anytime soon. I said before and I do believe that the Gentoo dev team will do their very best (and that's damn good) to provide stable ebuilds that work as well as possible, but there's way too much whitewater flowing down the channel for me to believe that even they can successfully guide me through these difficult transitions. It just seems to me that if you want or expect a team of well-paid experts monitoring all possible inconveniences and smoothing them over before you even see them... well, then Fedora would be the place to be. Or SuSE. Gentoo or Ubuntu, on the other hand Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo or Linux from Scratch - Perspectives?
Paul Hoy wrote: On Aug 14, 2005, at 6:35 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 09:38:28 +1200, Nick Rout wrote: Unstable does not really cut it IMHO. I am a gentoo enthusiast through and through, but plonking something in portage with a ~ beside it does not constitute a release of a recent version IMHO. They're not unstable, they are testing, and that only applies to the ebuild itself, not the upstream package. If you want the latest versions, you need to run ~arch. Any distro that puts brand new packages (with the exception of security fixes) into its stable package tree has thrown all concept of QA out of the window. -- Neil Bothwick Top Oxymorons Number 30: Business ethics Hi Neil, Is there a way to explicitly search for ~arch releases or do I have set the ACCEPT_KEYWORDS variable in make.conf and hope for the best during emerge? Paul *ACCEPT_KEYWORDS variable* You can export variables in the shell (not generally recommended) or put them directly on the command line. ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 emerge -s foo It's best to use /etc/portage/package.keywords to keep your package specific keywords (documented in the portage manpage). Zac -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] where's the splash?
Joshua~ removing the vga= statement only makes the font size much larger on startup, but doesn't produce the splash. I also tried removing the video= but that doesn't do it, either. what else could I be missing? -Original Message- From: Joshua Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 9:28 PM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] where's the splash? the vga= line contradicts the video= line. Try dropping the vga= argument. On Sun, 2005-08-14 at 21:03 -0400, John Dangler wrote: I setup my grub.conf so that I could see the splash screen on startup - but it doesn't show. Did I miss something? grub.conf has . vga=0x318 video=vesafb:mtrr,ywrap,[EMAIL PROTECTED] splash=silent was there something else I needed to do in order for this to work? John D -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] 2005.1 basic install - restart
is it possible that this error is due to the fact that I named the partition /tmp ? -Original Message- From: John Dangler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 8:24 PM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: [gentoo-user] 2005.1 basic install - restart 2005.1 / 2.6.12-r6 reboot after basic install, I get a message that says mount: wrong fstype, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda3 or too many mounted filesystems * error mounting local filesystems in fstab /dev/hda3 /tmp reiserfs noatime,notail 0 0 John D
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo or Linux from Scratch - Perspectives?
On Aug 14, 2005, at 9:34 PM, Holly Bostick wrote: Paul Hoy schreef: See inline On Aug 14, 2005, at 5:51 PM, Holly Bostick wrote: Nick Rout schreef: On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 13:12:31 -0700 Zac Medico wrote: Hi Paul, Are we really far behind? That's difficult to believe. For what packages specifically? Do you know how to unmask unstable packages (marked M or M~ at packages.gentoo.org)? Unstable does not really cut it IMHO. I am a gentoo enthusiast through and through, but plonking something in portage with a ~ beside it does not constitute a release of a recent version IMHO. OK, I'll bite. What then do you consider a release of a recent version to be constituted from? I don't really understand your question. The most recent version to me coincides to a release date closest to whatever today is. OK, so what you're saying is that an application's entry into Portage unstable does not constitute a 'release' of the package in Gentoo terms, as far as you're concerned? So until Firefox 1.0.6 and KDE 3.4.2 propagate down to stable (which could take time, admittedly), it's not actually released? Well, to each his or her own, I guess. If it's been released upstream, and it's in Portage a couple of hours later, so I can install it, I don't know what more you could want what, you want a Mandrake- (or worse, still, Debian) -style wait of months before you can use the upstream version? I don't agree with you. There are many examples where a file that has been released upstream has not found its way into Portage. I've provided examples elsewhere in this thread. You can also compare with the Fedora feedlist. Yes, I know. I'm creating a list of interesting programs I've discovered that aren't in Portage or b.g.o, to practice my ebuild writing skills. But you know, I don't give the first hairy hoot about the Fedora feedlist. This idea that 'marking' a package 'stable' is some kind of magic bullet that actually *makes* the package stable is starting to get on my nerves a bit. It appears I may be contradicting myself, but I agree with you here. Fedora releases something as stable, but in some cases, it's far from it. NetworkManager is my favourite example. What Gentoo marks or doesn't mark the package, or in fact whether or not it's in Portage, generally has nothing to do with the status of the package itself. There are plenty of perfectly stable packages in Gentoo unstable, plenty of stable ebuilds (meaning that they compile the application correctly, and beyond that point it depends on the upstream stability) in b.g.o, and even a few on breakmygentoo.org. And plenty of 'stable' packages that just act wonky in various ways as upstream manages the changes in whatever they're doing (migrating to the freedesktop standard, implementing DirectX 9 support, working around video driver bugs, kernel bugs, scheduler changes, you name it). I use what I need, and I get what I need from wherever it may happen to be. Most of it comes from Portage, of course, but I've got some ebuilds in my overlay from b.g.o, a couple from Project Utopia, and some perl Yes, I've scanned over the instructions for creating your own ebuilds and I've experimented with the Gnome 2.12 beta ebuild put out by someone. modules from cpan. It all works pretty well, and when it doesn't, I either ditch the package until it works a bit better, or fix it myself (and report what I had to do up the chain, if appropriate). It all looks a bit patchwork I suppose, but it's my patchwork, and so I know what sticky-out-bit goes where... most of the time. And I decide if there's going to be sticky-out-bits at all...there's no way, with an ATI card, that I'm going anywhere near the new modular X for quite a while, for Yes, that is one of my great joys - having an ATI card on my Notebook. example. But not because of Gentoo... because there's way too many upstream cooks for me to think they're going to concoct a 'stable' brew, *for me*, anytime soon. I said before and I do believe that the Gentoo dev team will do their very best (and that's damn good) to provide stable ebuilds that work as well as possible, but there's way too much whitewater flowing down the channel for me to believe that even they can successfully guide me through these difficult transitions. It just seems to me that if you want or expect a team of well-paid experts monitoring all possible inconveniences and smoothing them over before you even see them... well, then Fedora would be the place to be. Or SuSE. Gentoo or Ubuntu, on the other hand Again, I don't think Fedora removes all the defects at all. SuSE doesn't either, at least for the Gnome desktop. And, believe it not, neither does Ubuntu, notably with packaging. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo or Linux from Scratch - Perspectives?
On Sunday August 14 2005 8:48 pm, Zac Medico wrote: You can export variables in the shell (not generally recommended) or put them directly on the command line. ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 emerge -s foo It's best to use /etc/portage/package.keywords to keep your package specific keywords (documented in the portage manpage). From the wiki, a handy little scripts for doing this... http://gentoo-wiki.com/Masked#Script_for_.2Fetc.2Fportage.2Fpackage.keywords -jm -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] 2005.1 basic install - restart
strange I let the system boot, and then manually mounted /tmp like : mount /dev/hda3 /tmp it worked! why wont this mount at boot ??? -Original Message- From: John Dangler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 9:49 PM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: RE: [gentoo-user] 2005.1 basic install - restart Importance: High is it possible that this error is due to the fact that I named the partition /tmp ? -Original Message- From: John Dangler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 8:24 PM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: [gentoo-user] 2005.1 basic install - restart 2005.1 / 2.6.12-r6 reboot after basic install, I get a message that says mount: wrong fstype, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda3 or too many mounted filesystems * error mounting local filesystems in fstab /dev/hda3 /tmp reiserfs noatime,notail 0 0 John D
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo or Linux from Scratch - Perspectives?
On Sun, 2005-08-14 at 18:48 -0700, Zac Medico wrote: Paul Hoy wrote: On Aug 14, 2005, at 6:35 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 09:38:28 +1200, Nick Rout wrote: Unstable does not really cut it IMHO. I am a gentoo enthusiast through and through, but plonking something in portage with a ~ beside it does not constitute a release of a recent version IMHO. They're not unstable, they are testing, and that only applies to the ebuild itself, not the upstream package. If you want the latest versions, you need to run ~arch. Any distro that puts brand new packages (with the exception of security fixes) into its stable package tree has thrown all concept of QA out of the window. -- Neil Bothwick Top Oxymorons Number 30: Business ethics Hi Neil, Is there a way to explicitly search for ~arch releases or do I have set the ACCEPT_KEYWORDS variable in make.conf and hope for the best during emerge? Paul *ACCEPT_KEYWORDS variable* You can export variables in the shell (not generally recommended) or put them directly on the command line. ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 emerge -s foo It's best to use /etc/portage/package.keywords to keep your package specific keywords (documented in the portage manpage). Zac Zac, Beauty. Just tried it and found some gnome updates. Very much appreciated. Paul -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo or Linux from Scratch - Perspectives?
On Sun, 2005-08-14 at 20:55 -0500, Joe Menola wrote: On Sunday August 14 2005 8:48 pm, Zac Medico wrote: You can export variables in the shell (not generally recommended) or put them directly on the command line. ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 emerge -s foo It's best to use /etc/portage/package.keywords to keep your package specific keywords (documented in the portage manpage). From the wiki, a handy little scripts for doing this... http://gentoo-wiki.com/Masked#Script_for_.2Fetc.2Fportage.2Fpackage.keywords -jm Joe, Very cool. Took a look at it, and I'll try it out. Thanks again. Paul -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[RESOLVED]RE: [gentoo-user] 2005.1 basic install - restart
DOH! options in fstab noaatime! corrected the spelling and all is well. -Original Message- From: John Dangler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 10:18 PM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: RE: [gentoo-user] 2005.1 basic install - restart strange I let the system boot, and then manually mounted /tmp like : mount /dev/hda3 /tmp it worked! why wont this mount at boot ??? -Original Message- From: John Dangler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 9:49 PM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: RE: [gentoo-user] 2005.1 basic install - restart Importance: High is it possible that this error is due to the fact that I named the partition /tmp ? -Original Message- From: John Dangler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 8:24 PM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: [gentoo-user] 2005.1 basic install - restart 2005.1 / 2.6.12-r6 reboot after basic install, I get a message that says mount: wrong fstype, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda3 or too many mounted filesystems * error mounting local filesystems in fstab /dev/hda3 /tmp reiserfs noatime,notail 0 0 John D
[gentoo-user] USB KVM + udev
I'm having problems with the KVM that I have and switching back and forth between machines when in X. I've checked on the forums and all the solutions are based on devfs or on a ps2 device. I have no problems switching the machines back and forth with the keyboard, but when coming back into X, the mouse will not work at all. The simple fix is to just switch out of X (ctrl-alt-whatever) and then switch back into X. This isn't a bad thing, just cumbersome, would be nice to just have it work. Am I missing a X configuration setting? or anything. XConfig right now uses /dev/usbmouse because of the following udev rule: KERNEL=mouse*,NAME=input/%k, MODE=0644, SYMLINK=usbmouse Thanks in advance, Robert -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] kernel panic - help!
I just tried to add fbspash to my grub.conf file and got a kernel panic on startup. I rebooted with the livecd but dont know how to get back into my gentoo environment. chroot doesnt work (cant find /bin/bash). Help
[gentoo-user] Beagle on Gentoo Reiserfs filesystem - Possible?
Hello, I'm confused about running Beagle on a Gentoo reiserfs filesystem. Gentoo provides a HOWTO Beagle (http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Beagle) and uses a reiserfs filesystem (included extended attributues) as an example throughout. However, the Beagle Web site states in its FAQ (http://www.beaglewiki.org/FAQ) that Beagle does not support Reiser4S: Reiser4 does not support the standard Linux extended attribute interfaces, but instead implements its own. If/when Reiser4 supports extended attributes, it will be supported. The Gentoo HOWTO wiki explains that a user should enable extended attributes for his or her filesystems, and shows how you can do so with Ext2. The author of the wiki says you can do the same with reiserfs, but I don't recall seeing the option in the kernel (when I configured it a couple of weeks ago). Finally, the Gentoo Wiki author adds the user_xattr option to the reiserfs entry in fstab. This suggests that reiserfs is supported. The fact that the option doesn't appear in the kernel, suggest that it's not. And, the fact that the Beagle Web site says reiserfs is not support Beagle also suggests that I can run Beagle on an reiserfs filesystem. Any leads, hints, suggestions, solutions, answers? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[RESOLVED] RE: [gentoo-user] kernel panic - help!
Whew! I was able to recreate the initrd correctly by editing the grub lines and got it back up Ill need to re-read the fbsplash setup and try again -Original Message- From: John Dangler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 11:37 PM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: [gentoo-user] kernel panic - help! Importance: High I just tried to add fbspash to my grub.conf file and got a kernel panic on startup. I rebooted with the livecd but dont know how to get back into my gentoo environment. chroot doesnt work (cant find /bin/bash). Help
[gentoo-user] splash and kerne panic
After emerging splashutils and doing - splash_geninitramfs -v -g /boot/fbsplash-livecd-2005.1-1024x768 -r 1024x768 livecd-2005.1 rc-update add splash default a reboot of the system produces Kernel panic not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(1,0) Any input is appreciated. Everything else in the basic install is running great! John D
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo or Linux from Scratch - Perspectives?
Jerry McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] skribis: On Sunday 14 August 2005 06:06 pm, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Sunday 21 August 2005 22:05, Jerry McBride wrote: What and where EXACTLY is gentoo behind any other release? gcc4 since fedora switched to gcc4, all the version-number-junkies got itchy. Is not too bad, if some of them go to fedora... We must not be on the same page If you WANT gcc4 you can certainly have it in Gentoo. Another thing, too, and I don't know if this is the case with Fedora, but a binary distribution isn't necessarily all compiled with the installed compiler. It probably ought to be, but it doesn't have to be. A few adventurous individuals (not I) have been using gcc4 to build ~amd64 stuff and there are still some packages that give trouble. pgpgNxWbIucmh.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] where's the splash?
John Dangler wrote: doesn't do it, either. what else could I be missing? From my /boot/grub/grub.conf --- kernel (hd0,0)/kernel-2.6.12-gentoo-r6.4 root=/dev/hda2\ video=vesafb:ywrap,mtrr,[EMAIL PROTECTED] splash=silent,theme:livecd-2005.0 CONSOLE=/dev/tty1 udev initrd (hd0,0)/splash --- -- Naga -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Beagle on Gentoo Reiserfs filesystem - Possible?
Paul Hoy Gmail wrote: Hello, I'm confused about running Beagle on a Gentoo reiserfs filesystem. Gentoo provides a HOWTO Beagle (http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Beagle) and uses a reiserfs filesystem (included extended attributues) as an example throughout. However, the Beagle Web site states in its FAQ (http://www.beaglewiki.org/FAQ) that Beagle does not support Reiser4S: Reiser4 does not support the standard Linux extended attribute [...] Any leads, hints, suggestions, solutions, answers? Could it be the difference between reiserfs and reiser4 (ie version 3.6 vs 4)? -- Naga -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Beagle on Gentoo Reiserfs filesystem - Possible?
Paul Hoy Gmail wrote: Hello, I'm confused about running Beagle on a Gentoo reiserfs filesystem. Gentoo provides a HOWTO Beagle (http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Beagle) and uses a reiserfs filesystem (included extended attributues) as an example throughout. However, the Beagle Web site states in its FAQ (http://www.beaglewiki.org/FAQ) that Beagle does not support Reiser4S: Reiser4 does not support the standard Linux extended attribute interfaces, but instead implements its own. If/when Reiser4 supports extended attributes, it will be supported. The Gentoo HOWTO wiki explains that a user should enable extended attributes for his or her filesystems, and shows how you can do so with Ext2. The author of the wiki says you can do the same with reiserfs, but I don't recall seeing the option in the kernel (when I configured it a couple of weeks ago). Finally, the Gentoo Wiki author adds the user_xattr option to the reiserfs entry in fstab. This suggests that reiserfs is supported. The fact that the option doesn't appear in the kernel, suggest that it's not. And, the fact that the Beagle Web site says reiserfs is not support Beagle also suggests that I can run Beagle on an reiserfs filesystem. Any leads, hints, suggestions, solutions, answers? Hi, Using reiserfsprogs-3.6.19 (reiser-3) and also have extended-attributes support in kernel-config (reiser-3). Haven't checked but think/remember that reiserfs-4 has it's own security/encryption things (in filesystem). IMO above wiki in for reiserfs-3 only and will work with it. Extended-attr. for reiserfs are under reiserfs-config. HTH. Rumen smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo or Linux from Scratch - Perspectives?
On Sun, Aug 14, 2005 at 03:42:19PM -0400, Paul Hoy wrote This email isn't intended to troll, but to explore Linux variants that share certain characteristics. I really like Gentoo and I like that fact that it does a pretty good job at supporting Gnome, however, it's still behind other releases, such as Fedora, in terms of when it releases updates, etc. Linux from Scratch looks very interesting: it appears to rapidly support the latest updates and it has decent documentation. Does any one have any perspectives on Linux from Scratch, from a Gentoo point- of-view? Does anyone wish to share a comparison of the two? Look at it this way, if you're competent to build Linux-From-Scratch, you should have no problems whatsoever building from tarballs the few packages you can't find in Gentoo, and putting them in /usr/local or /opt. Heck, I was doing the... ./configure --with-various-options make make install schtick back in my Redhat days. -- Walter Dnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] My musings on technology and security at http://tech_sec.blog.ca -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] How do I get larger fonts in X ?
I'm running Gentoo (of course) with Blackbox as my WM. I got a digital camera several weeks ago, and am now playing around with 2590 x 1920 sized images in Gimp. My monitor can't go quite *THAT* high, but 1600 x 1200 (for that matter 1560 x 1170) is large enough for Gimp to display its toolbox menu plus an image window at 50% (1280 x 960) without any overlapping. My only complaint is that I can barely see the fonts at that resolution. I normally run at 1152 x 864 on a 19 CRT. I'd prefer to switch my web-browsing, etc to 1560 x 1170, but I simply can't read the text. For the time-being, I've created a second user account for myself. waltdnes (my regular account) surfs the web at 1152 x 864 on display :0, and user2 (how original) works with Gimp at 1560 x 1170 on display :1. How do I boost font size across the board so I can surf the web, and do spreadsheets, etc without having to squint at higher resolutions ? -- Walter Dnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] My musings on technology and security at http://tech_sec.blog.ca -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
