Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Heads up: Your system might be broken and/or insecure due to serious patch-2.6 bug
On Samstag 05 Dezember 2009, Philip Webb wrote: Also, I never do a bald 'emerge world'. I look thro' the output of 'eix-sync', write -- with a pencil+paper -- a list of installed pkgs which have changed, run 'emerge -Dup world' to see what order of emerging is recommended, then individually 'emerge -pv pkg' -- if all looks well -- 'emerge pkg'. Yes, it takes a bit longer for my weekly update session (tomorrow Sat), but I don't risk the nightmare of reducing my system to chaos with all the extra frantic labor which would result. which f*cks up world and is a very bad idea. Really, emmerging every single package? 'world' is useless for you and cleaning unused deps a nightmare. Congratulation, you crippled your system. The easy way to avoid problems are BINPKGs. Use it and a downgrade in case of problems only takes seconds.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Baffled by Perl dependancies
On 12/4/2009 10:21 PM, Dale wrote: Thanks goodness for Konsole and being able to scroll up. Where I come from, we use | less :p Marcus
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Heads up: Your system might be broken and/or insecure due to serious patch-2.6 bug
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Samstag 05 Dezember 2009, Philip Webb wrote: Also, I never do a bald 'emerge world'. I look thro' the output of 'eix-sync', write -- with a pencil+paper -- a list of installed pkgs which have changed, run 'emerge -Dup world' to see what order of emerging is recommended, then individually 'emerge -pv pkg' -- if all looks well -- 'emerge pkg'. Yes, it takes a bit longer for my weekly update session (tomorrow Sat), but I don't risk the nightmare of reducing my system to chaos with all the extra frantic labor which would result. which f*cks up world and is a very bad idea. Really, emmerging every single package? 'world' is useless for you and cleaning unused deps a nightmare. Congratulation, you crippled your system. The easy way to avoid problems are BINPKGs. Use it and a downgrade in case of problems only takes seconds. Good catch Volker. I didn't notice that part. He needs to become very familiar with the -1 option but even that is not good in every case. If it is a package that needs to be in world, then that option shouldn't be used either otherwise a --depclean would remove it. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Baffled by Perl dependancies
Marcus Wanner wrote: On 12/4/2009 10:21 PM, Dale wrote: Thanks goodness for Konsole and being able to scroll up. Where I come from, we use | less :p Marcus That works too and I do use it sometimes. It is a must when in a plain console tho. Of course some would argue for | more too. ;-) Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Heads up: Your system might be broken and/or insecure due to serious patch-2.6 bug
On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 14:31:16 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: The easy way to avoid problems are BINPKGs. Use it and a downgrade in case of problems only takes seconds. Install demerge too and you can roll back to pre-breakage very easily. -- Neil Bothwick Old hitchhikers never die-they just throw in the towel. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Sound card is only usable by one application at a time
To say that a person only needs to hear one sound at a time is like telling someone to close one eye. Hey man, you're display's only 2D. What do you need that second eye for anyway? Regards, daid I say that because I have a bad eye. I wish I could see good with both because things sure do look different. I can't just distance for example. When the kids want to play baseball, I see the ball but it looks the same at a distance as it does just before it hits me in the forehead. Well, it is a little bigger at that point. O_o Yeah, but that's a 3D effect! ~daid
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Sound card is only usable by one application at a time
hmmm. I've managed to focus the problem: Some programs try to access to sound device called hw:0,0 and there for do not allow it to be shared. MPD was one of them, and when I changed the setting in mpd.conf to using default it works. The flash player, though, still tries to access the hardware directly. I'm not sure how to reconfigure it. I'm using the adobe player. Can anyone think of away of making all programs use default sound output rather than hw:0,0? Should I report that as a bug to the mpd package maintainer, that the default setting try to access the sound device directly? On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 6:12 AM, Joshua Murphy poiso...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 4:43 PM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/03/2009 09:08 PM, Joshua Murphy wrote: ... Lately, I've had zero issues with alsa pretty much configuring itself properly, given I'm using the in kernel alsa drivers for my systems... and it hasn't required any manual configuration of dmix or similar to function properly. Last time I used a separate sound daemon (aside from a short stent with Ubuntu on my netbook that, I think, had me using pulseaudio), I was running esound to manage audio from a headless box over my network... and ESD was playing nicely with other straight alsa apps on the same box... I discovered a few weeks ago that I could completely delete all traces of arts, pulse, *and* esd, and still I can listen to a podcast from npr.org with firefox and play an mp3 using audacious at the same time. (Which drives me totally nuts, BTW, and I did it only as a test.) As you say, alsa seems to DTRT by itself these days. The only thing I'm not sure about is whether the gnome-panel volume/mixer applet is now doing what esound used to do. If you still have esound installed you can try it yourself. Just remove the arts, esd, and pulse USE flags first, then remove any/all of those packages from the machine and revdep-rebuild. It's amazing how many packages are linked against esound and AFAICT they no longer need to be. (This applies to gnome, of course.) OTOH, I haven't tested every sound-related app on my machine, so I might be missing some important exceptions. All Gnome's volume/mixer applet does, AFAIK, is the same as alsamixer, on a less cli/ncurses interface... just volume control for the channels the card tells the driver to tell the alsa subsystem it has ;) ... it doesn't have anything more, really, to do with the actual 'mixing' than that, and it works just as well without it, as evidenced by my netbook with ratpoison, no arts, esd, pulseaudio, etc... listening to a radio stream on one aterm that's running mplayer (outputting to bare alsa) and getting prompt and proper alerts from Skype at the same time. 'Course, all the anecdotal evidence in the world won't make the problem the OP is seeing. -- Poison [BLX] Joshua M. Murphy
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Heads up: Your system might be broken and/or insecure due to serious patch-2.6 bug
2 pieces of advice to avoid such problems: (1) never use the 'testing' versions of system pkgs; (2) never run 'emerge world' without the '-p' flag. I kindly disagree. ~[arch] is testing for Gentoo ebuild. It's considered stable upstream. This was an upstream bug, not a Gentoo bug. Yes, my comments didn't respond exactly to the problem reported, but offered more general advice which might help avoid such problems. someone's got to be testing stuff and filing reports upstream. It doesn't mean you want to do it, but I really think considering ~ as a test of upstream is rather silly. The defective version of 'patch' had got into 'testing', where the only remaining problems are supposed to be in the ebuild; in fact in this case, there was still a serious problem upstream that version of 'patch' has been re-masked (I believe). Anyway, don't do testing on the machine you use for everyday computing. If you want to get into testing, use a dedicated machine for it. My point is that using things out of portage, stable or unstable, shouldn't be considered as testing, as they are upstream stable releases. Doing testing is getting the latest stuff out of git, etc. Of course, there will be bugs in upstream stable code as well, but that's life I suppose. I've been using Gentoo for more than 6 years it's never happened to me. I believe the reason is that I follow my own advice as above: I do install 'testing' versions of non-vital pkgs (eg 'eix') items which are well-supported upstream (eg KDE, kernel), but I am very cautious about installing testing versions of system pkgs whose collapse would do real damage to my everyday activities. Even when stuff is well-supported upstream, I give it a few weeks to see if there are reports anywhere of bad things happening. There's nothing wrong with running stable gentoo, but as others have commented, one ought to be careful about mixing and matching, for example, ~x86 and x86. Running a stable base system with unstable packages can also lead to a lot of problems, since the code is never really considered to run together on the same system. Although I've only been at Gentoo about half the amount of time, I've run full stable and unstable systems, and I can't say there is much difference in my experience. If I had to generalize, I'd say that on unstable I might hit more bugs, but figuring out what to do to fix the problem is usually much faster. I was planning to switch back soon, actually. One can think of ~arch as either bad because it's so-called unstable, or good because you don't wait 6 months to get something like Firefox 3.5. I use a similar approach to you, and run EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--ask --verbose If anything looks suspicious, not only will I take note with paper, but I'll likely be sure to get a fresh system backup first as well before proceeding. Regards, daid
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Heads up: Your system might be broken and/or insecure due to serious patch-2.6 bug
On Samstag 05 Dezember 2009, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 14:31:16 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: The easy way to avoid problems are BINPKGs. Use it and a downgrade in case of problems only takes seconds. Install demerge too and you can roll back to pre-breakage very easily. of course
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Heads up: Your system might be broken and/or insecure due to serious patch-2.6 bug
On 5/12/2009, Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote: Anyway, don't do testing on the machine you use for everyday computing. If you want to get into testing, use a dedicated machine for it. I've been using a separate partition on an existing machine to run a ~amd64 system for evaluation, and yesterday I got my comeuppance. I wanted to go back to an earlier backup of the test system*, so I took a backup of my home directory with its e-mail history, wiped the partition and restored the old backup followed by the home directory. Wrong. I'd mixed the home directories of the two systems and so I lost the last five weeks' worth of e-mails. And no, I hadn't been drinking or getting over-tired. Just goes to show - you can't be too careful. * The current test system had a series of KDE-4 problems, which I thought must have been caused by the patch bug, but simply remerging everything installed since then hadn't fixed them.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Sound card is only usable by one application at a time
On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 00:36:36 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote: On 12/03/2009 11:23 PM, Yoav Luft wrote: Hi, On my dell Vostro 1520, with intel hda ICH9 82801I sound card (xSTAC92HD71B3, according to /proc/asound/card0/codec), only one application can access the sound card at a time. This probably means that applications access the hardware, and not some software mixer. I tried to follow information in the alsa wiki (http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/alsa-lib/pcm_plugins.html#pcm_plugins_dmix) for setting manually dmix, but couldn't configure anything working. I could find any good documentation (and I don't have plenty of time to dig in it, it's the middle of the semester). Does anyone can help on the topic? I think all you need to do is to put the alsasound service in your default runlevel. rc-update add alsasound default At least that's what I remember doing when I tried ALSA a few months ago. You might need to reboot though so that the card is freed first. All alsasound does is to save and restore mixer settings, so you don't have to modify them by hand each time you reboot. There are a number of problems with dmix in alsa, it's one of the reasons why people keep inventing stuff like pulseaudio to work around these issues, when they should be fixing the problem itself, which is in alsa. I for one, use the ca0106 driver for an audigy card. dmix here works ok... until you play a 5.1 stream. When the surround is enabled then dmix doesn't work, and I can't play anything else. When I am in regular stereo mode I can play as many streams as I want without a problem. This is well known, reported, and it has hit a lot of people. But unfortunately, there's no fix yet. @Yoav Luft, I don't know if this is the same problem, maybe it doesn't relate at all. You should start by checking that there's no pulseaudio or something like that monopolizing the alsa output, because maybe the problem is not alsa itself. But, if alsa is running alone, I'd start by checking the alsa bug tracker and see if there's someone that has the same card/uses the same driver and has the same problem. -- Jesús Guerrero
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Sound card is only usable by one application at a time
On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 04:44:50 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote: On 12/04/2009 03:12 AM, walt wrote: Most people don't have any need for more than one application to use the sound card at the same time. I was under the impression that it's quite the opposite. For example I would still like to hear my MSN messenger go *ping* when someone talks to me while I'm listening to some mp3 and/or am playing a game. Definitely, *most* do need support for software mixing. I am not on the boat of notifications or system sounds, but most users are, and all the major desktops do enable sound notifications by default, and all the major IM programs do as well. I like austerity so I don't use these little things, but even for me this is a must. I might have many sound tracks playing at a given moment while I practice with my guitar. Heck, even for youtube this is a must, because the plugin likes to trap the sound card, and you can't even listen to another video if you have another tab with youtube on it, even if the video in that tab is not playing nor even paused. So, yes. Definitely, 99% of the users need software mixing. However, it is not true that you need pulse for that. That's what the dmix alsa plugin is for. The problem is not that alsa can't do it. The problem is that alsa is buggy as hell and should really be fixed. Or, it should be simplified to provide only the basic functionality, rip out all the crap and do it in user land, with either pulse, jack or whatever. The problem is that there are many layers like alsa and pulse that don't have a clear delimitation, they overlap functionality, duplicate code and bloat the system making it prone to bugs and stuff like this. The sound system in linux is in a pitiful state right now :P -- Jesús Guerrero
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Sound card is only usable by one application at a time
On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 23:47:18 +0200, App Des app4...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, 2009-12-04 at 00:36 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 12/03/2009 11:23 PM, Yoav Luft wrote: Hi, On my dell Vostro 1520, with intel hda ICH9 82801I sound card (xSTAC92HD71B3, according to /proc/asound/card0/codec), only one application can access the sound card at a time. This probably means that applications access the hardware, and not some software mixer. I tried to follow information in the alsa wiki (http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/alsa-lib/pcm_plugins.html#pcm_plugins_dmix) for setting manually dmix, but couldn't configure anything working. I could find any good documentation (and I don't have plenty of time to dig in it, it's the middle of the semester). Does anyone can help on the topic? I think all you need to do is to put the alsasound service in your default runlevel. rc-update add alsasound default At least that's what I remember doing when I tried ALSA a few months ago. You might need to reboot though so that the card is freed first. I think it is best to add it to the boot runlevel intead of the default. It really doesn't make any difference, unless you have one init script in the boot level that plays an mp3 file or something ;) As said on my other mail in this thread, all alsasound does is to set up the mixer settings (volumes and such), so, as long as it's started before you want to hear a sound then it's fine. It doesn't really need to be on the boot level, default is fine. But, in any case, this doesn't effect the capability to do soft mixing at all. The problem is elsewhere. -- Jesús Guerrero
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Sound card is only usable by one application at a time
On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 17:51:35 +0200, Yoav Luft yoav.l...@gmail.com wrote: hmmm. I've managed to focus the problem: Some programs try to access to sound device called hw:0,0 and there for do not allow it to be shared. MPD was one of them, and when I changed the setting in mpd.conf to using default it works. The flash player, though, still tries to access the hardware directly. I'm not sure how to reconfigure it. I'm using the adobe player. Can anyone think of away of making all programs use default sound output rather than hw:0,0? Should I report that as a bug to the mpd package maintainer, that the default setting try to access the sound device directly? Couple of questions: did you try removing whatever customizations you have done in ~/.asoundrc? If so, try to move that file elsewhere and see. Do you have more than one sound chip? If you have an embedded sound chip in your motherboard that you are not using for anything try disabling it in your BIOS setup. -- Jesús Guerrero
[gentoo-user] Re: Sound card is only usable by one application at a time
You didn't mention whether you tried running the alsasound service in order to get dmix. If enabled, it doesn't matter what sound device the apps want to open. On 12/05/2009 05:51 PM, Yoav Luft wrote: hmmm. I've managed to focus the problem: Some programs try to access to sound device called hw:0,0 and there for do not allow it to be shared. MPD was one of them, and when I changed the setting in mpd.conf to using default it works. The flash player, though, still tries to access the hardware directly. I'm not sure how to reconfigure it. I'm using the adobe player. Can anyone think of away of making all programs use default sound output rather than hw:0,0? Should I report that as a bug to the mpd package maintainer, that the default setting try to access the sound device directly? On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 6:12 AM, Joshua Murphypoiso...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 4:43 PM, waltw41...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/03/2009 09:08 PM, Joshua Murphy wrote: ... Lately, I've had zero issues with alsa pretty much configuring itself properly, given I'm using the in kernel alsa drivers for my systems... and it hasn't required any manual configuration of dmix or similar to function properly. Last time I used a separate sound daemon (aside from a short stent with Ubuntu on my netbook that, I think, had me using pulseaudio), I was running esound to manage audio from a headless box over my network... and ESD was playing nicely with other straight alsa apps on the same box... I discovered a few weeks ago that I could completely delete all traces of arts, pulse, *and* esd, and still I can listen to a podcast from npr.org with firefox and play an mp3 using audacious at the same time. (Which drives me totally nuts, BTW, and I did it only as a test.) As you say, alsa seems to DTRT by itself these days. The only thing I'm not sure about is whether the gnome-panel volume/mixer applet is now doing what esound used to do. If you still have esound installed you can try it yourself. Just remove the arts, esd, and pulse USE flags first, then remove any/all of those packages from the machine and revdep-rebuild. It's amazing how many packages are linked against esound and AFAICT they no longer need to be. (This applies to gnome, of course.) OTOH, I haven't tested every sound-related app on my machine, so I might be missing some important exceptions. All Gnome's volume/mixer applet does, AFAIK, is the same as alsamixer, on a less cli/ncurses interface... just volume control for the channels the card tells the driver to tell the alsa subsystem it has ;) ... it doesn't have anything more, really, to do with the actual 'mixing' than that, and it works just as well without it, as evidenced by my netbook with ratpoison, no arts, esd, pulseaudio, etc... listening to a radio stream on one aterm that's running mplayer (outputting to bare alsa) and getting prompt and proper alerts from Skype at the same time. 'Course, all the anecdotal evidence in the world won't make the problem the OP is seeing. -- Poison [BLX] Joshua M. Murphy
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Baffled by Perl dependancies
On Sat, 05 Dec 2009 08:12:01 -0600, Dale wrote: That works too and I do use it sometimes. It is a must when in a plain console tho. Of course some would argue for | more too. ;-) less is more, most is better :) -- Neil Bothwick Mac screen message: Like, dude, something went wrong. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Heads up: Your system might be broken and/or insecure due to serious patch-2.6 bug
On Sat, 05 Dec 2009 08:10:15 -0600, Dale wrote: Good catch Volker. I didn't notice that part. He needs to become very familiar with the -1 option but even that is not good in every case. If it is a package that needs to be in world, then that option shouldn't be used either otherwise a --depclean would remove it. He's updating, so packages that need to be in world are already there. -- Neil Bothwick I don't have any solution, but I certainly admire the problem. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Heads up: Your system might be broken and/or insecure due to serious patch-2.6 bug
091205 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Samstag 05 Dezember 2009, Philip Webb wrote: Also, I never do a bald 'emerge world'. I look thro' the output of 'eix-sync', write -- with a pencil+paper -- a list of installed pkgs which have changed, run 'emerge -Dup world' to see what order of emerging is recommended, then individually 'emerge -pv pkg' -- if all looks well -- 'emerge pkg'. Yes, it takes a bit longer for my weekly update session (tomorrow Sat), but I don't risk the nightmare of reducing my system to chaos with all the extra frantic labor which would result. which f*cks up world and is a very bad idea. Really, emerging every single package? 'world' is useless for you and cleaning unused deps a nightmare. Please read what I said hopefully think briefly before responding. If the pkg is already in 'world', it's 'emerge pkg'; if not -- the more frequent case -- , it's 'emerge -1 pkg'. That keeps everything in order (yes, you have to watch what you do). The easy way to avoid problems are BINPKGs. Use it and a downgrade in case of problems only takes seconds. Yes, I do have 'FEATURES=buildsyspkg' in 'make.conf', of course, but I've never needed to make use of those emergency files. My general point is that Gentoo is about managing your own system rather than relying on someone out there to do it for you; IMO binary distros are closer to using M$ or Apple than they are to Gentoo relying on 'emerge world' is closer to binary distros than to true Gentoo. 'world' is a less important part of Gentoo than many users believe: IIRC it was imitated from FreeBSD by Gentoo's founder in the early days. My recommendation is to put a bit more time into regular updates thereby reduce the chance that you'll need to fix a major breakdown; also as said, if you want to do real testing, use a dedicated system on another partition or (safest) another machine altogether. Otherwise, thanks for the thoughtful comments by others. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] X fails after new install
On Fri, Dec 04, 2009 at 06:36:25PM -0500, dhk wrote I started hald and rebuilt the drivers: startx still fails. I've hard-masked hal and dbus (and pam) in /etc/portage/package.mask and X runs OK. From your messages, I assume you've got some ATI card. What exactly is it? As root, can you run... lspci -v xyz.txt, and find the section in xyz.txt relating to your video card? If your system doesn't have lspci, emerge pciutils. It's been my experience with ATI that you may find 2 cards listed, so look carefully. Here's what my Dell D530 shows... 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82G33/G31 Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) Subsystem: Dell Device 020d Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 5 Memory at fdf0 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=512K] I/O ports at ff00 [size=8] Memory at d000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M] Memory at fdc0 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=1M] Capabilities: [90] Message Signalled Interrupts: Mask- 64bit- Count=1/1 Enable- Capabilities: [d0] Power Management version 2 -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Sound card is only usable by one application at a time
alsasound is on boot runlevel, so it's running. Still, some apps, like flash movies in firefox, don't behave nicely. On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 7:15 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote: You didn't mention whether you tried running the alsasound service in order to get dmix. If enabled, it doesn't matter what sound device the apps want to open. On 12/05/2009 05:51 PM, Yoav Luft wrote: hmmm. I've managed to focus the problem: Some programs try to access to sound device called hw:0,0 and there for do not allow it to be shared. MPD was one of them, and when I changed the setting in mpd.conf to using default it works. The flash player, though, still tries to access the hardware directly. I'm not sure how to reconfigure it. I'm using the adobe player. Can anyone think of away of making all programs use default sound output rather than hw:0,0? Should I report that as a bug to the mpd package maintainer, that the default setting try to access the sound device directly? On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 6:12 AM, Joshua Murphypoiso...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 4:43 PM, waltw41...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/03/2009 09:08 PM, Joshua Murphy wrote: ... Lately, I've had zero issues with alsa pretty much configuring itself properly, given I'm using the in kernel alsa drivers for my systems... and it hasn't required any manual configuration of dmix or similar to function properly. Last time I used a separate sound daemon (aside from a short stent with Ubuntu on my netbook that, I think, had me using pulseaudio), I was running esound to manage audio from a headless box over my network... and ESD was playing nicely with other straight alsa apps on the same box... I discovered a few weeks ago that I could completely delete all traces of arts, pulse, *and* esd, and still I can listen to a podcast from npr.org with firefox and play an mp3 using audacious at the same time. (Which drives me totally nuts, BTW, and I did it only as a test.) As you say, alsa seems to DTRT by itself these days. The only thing I'm not sure about is whether the gnome-panel volume/mixer applet is now doing what esound used to do. If you still have esound installed you can try it yourself. Just remove the arts, esd, and pulse USE flags first, then remove any/all of those packages from the machine and revdep-rebuild. It's amazing how many packages are linked against esound and AFAICT they no longer need to be. (This applies to gnome, of course.) OTOH, I haven't tested every sound-related app on my machine, so I might be missing some important exceptions. All Gnome's volume/mixer applet does, AFAIK, is the same as alsamixer, on a less cli/ncurses interface... just volume control for the channels the card tells the driver to tell the alsa subsystem it has ;) ... it doesn't have anything more, really, to do with the actual 'mixing' than that, and it works just as well without it, as evidenced by my netbook with ratpoison, no arts, esd, pulseaudio, etc... listening to a radio stream on one aterm that's running mplayer (outputting to bare alsa) and getting prompt and proper alerts from Skype at the same time. 'Course, all the anecdotal evidence in the world won't make the problem the OP is seeing. -- Poison [BLX] Joshua M. Murphy
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Heads up: Your system might be broken and/or insecure due to serious patch-2.6 bug
On Samstag 05 Dezember 2009, Philip Webb wrote: 091205 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Samstag 05 Dezember 2009, Philip Webb wrote: Also, I never do a bald 'emerge world'. I look thro' the output of 'eix-sync', write -- with a pencil+paper -- a list of installed pkgs which have changed, run 'emerge -Dup world' to see what order of emerging is recommended, then individually 'emerge -pv pkg' -- if all looks well -- 'emerge pkg'. Yes, it takes a bit longer for my weekly update session (tomorrow Sat), but I don't risk the nightmare of reducing my system to chaos with all the extra frantic labor which would result. which f*cks up world and is a very bad idea. Really, emerging every single package? 'world' is useless for you and cleaning unused deps a nightmare. Please read what I said hopefully think briefly before responding. If the pkg is already in 'world', it's 'emerge pkg'; if not -- the more frequent case -- , it's 'emerge -1 pkg'. That keeps everything in order (yes, you have to watch what you do). no, it isn't. you are adding deps to world file. Deps aren't there until you emerge them manually. Look up how world works. Yes, I do have 'FEATURES=buildsyspkg' in 'make.conf', of course, but I've never needed to make use of those emergency files. buildsyspkg is not enough. My general point is that Gentoo is about managing your own system rather than relying on someone out there to do it for you; there are smart ways to do so and there are stupid ways. IMO binary distros are closer to using M$ or Apple than they are to Gentoo relying on 'emerge world' is closer to binary distros than to true Gentoo. 'world' is a less important part of Gentoo than many users believe wrong in all counts. Gentoo is about 'giving good tools to get the desired result'. You are not using the tools. Instead you are working against the tools and make your life and the work of the tools a lot harder. And world is important. world is the difference between 'installed manually' and 'just a dependency'. What you are doing fucks this up. Result: portage can not figure which package was installed because you want it and which one is just a dependency that can be removed by depclean. : IIRC it was imitated from FreeBSD by Gentoo's founder in the early days. My recommendation is to put a bit more time into regular updates no, your advise is to do something stupid that results in a lot more work for no (!) reward. You gain nothing doing it your way. You just screw up your system. thereby reduce the chance that you'll need to fix a major breakdown; no. You don't reduce anything. In fact, your way increases the chances of an epic fuckup. I hope nobody is following your advise.
[gentoo-user] kde 4.3.4 crashing after login
Hi,
after yesterday's update kde won't work anymore. After login I get a
message, that plasma-desktop got an segfault.
I tried to move the .kde folders somewhere else to start from a clean
configuration, but it won't help. Starting kde as root (startx -
startkde) works somehow. I'm little out of ideas now.
Here's what I get if I start start plasma-desktop manually again:
$ DISPLAY=:0.0 plasma-desktop
QDBusObjectPath: invalid path
QLayout: Attempting to add QLayout to QWidget , which already has a
layout
Invalid D-BUS interface name 'org.kde.plasma-desktop.PlasmaApp' found
while parsing introspection
QGraphicsLinearLayout::removeAt: invalid index 0
Unrecognized character: /
Unrecognized character: /
ERROR: syntax error
QGraphicsLinearLayout::removeAt: invalid index 0
Object::connect: No such signal
SystemTray::Manager::jobStateChanged(SystemTray::Job*)
KCrash: Application 'plasma-desktop' crashing...
sock_file=/home/lea/.kde4/socket-kimmelbaer/kdeinit4__0
QDBusObjectPath: invalid path
QLayout: Attempting to add QLayout to QWidget , which already has a
layout
Invalid D-BUS interface name 'org.kde.plasma-desktop.PlasmaApp' found
while parsing introspection
QGraphicsLinearLayout::removeAt: invalid index 0
Unrecognized character: /
Unrecognized character: /
ERROR: syntax error
QGraphicsLinearLayout::removeAt: invalid index 0
Object::connect: No such signal
SystemTray::Manager::jobStateChanged(SystemTray::Job*)
If you need more information please ask, as I want to fix this as soon
as possible.
emerge --info:
Portage 2.1.7.10 (default/linux/amd64/10.0/desktop, gcc-4.4.2,
glibc-2.11-r1, 2.6.32-gentoo x86_64)
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System uname:
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Timestamp of tree: Sat, 05 Dec 2009 21:45:01 +
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file hooks iec958 ioplug ladspa lfloat linear meter mmap_emul mulaw
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[gentoo-user] adobe air working for anyone?
Has anyone gotten adobe air working? I've got an .air file (PandoraOne app) and I've installed adobe air from the ikelos overlay, but I can't figure out how to run the app. - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] kde 4.3.4 crashing after login
On Sun, 06 Dec 2009 00:26:32 +0100 Johannes Kimmel johannes.kim...@gmx.de wrote: There's a discussion on the forum about this issue currently at https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?p=6085003 Reports that downgrading hal to 0.5.13-r2 fixes the issue (it did for me). signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Looking for x86 or AMD64 disassembler
G'day, I'm looking for a disassembler so that I can see the underlying assembly code in a variety of files, for example elf executables, DOS executables, binary files (such as the master boot record (MBR)), etc. Portage doesn't seem to include any, leastways eix hasn't revealed any to me. Searching google for disassemblers, I find a variety exist, but I haven't yet encountered any with ebuilds. If needs be, I can build direct from source or create a wrapper ebuild for the build. What do you all recommend for disassemblers? Are there any good ones for Gentoo? Regards, David
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Heads up: Your system might be broken and/or insecure due to serious patch-2.6 bug
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 05 Dec 2009 08:10:15 -0600, Dale wrote: Good catch Volker. I didn't notice that part. He needs to become very familiar with the -1 option but even that is not good in every case. If it is a package that needs to be in world, then that option shouldn't be used either otherwise a --depclean would remove it. He's updating, so packages that need to be in world are already there. If he is using the command he typed in, his world file is going to be huge. Read what he wrote again. He is doing the updates individually without a -u or a -1 or anything else. That means every time he updates, that package goes into the world file. I'm hoping he typed that in wrong. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Looking for x86 or AMD64 disassembler
On Sat, 2009-12-05 at 19:33 -0500, David Relson wrote: I'm looking for a disassembler so that I can see the underlying assembly code in a variety of files, for example elf executables, DOS executables, binary files (such as the master boot record (MBR)), etc. [snip] What do you all recommend for disassemblers? Are there any good ones for Gentoo? I've used objdump (part of binutils) in the past for looking at ELF files; look at the -d option for disassembly. A quick test shows that it seems to work for exe files too, but I've never used it that way as I don't use Windows much, so I don't know for sure. For the MBR, I don't know of any disassemblers per-se, but hex editors work well depending on what you are doing. hexdump (part of sys-apps/util-linux) works well. You might want to make an image of the MBR first with dd, depending on which tool you use, as some do not support reading from the disk directly. Regards, Brandon Vargo
[gentoo-user] Re: Sound card is only usable by one application at a time
On 12/05/2009 01:36 PM, Yoav Luft wrote: alsasound is on boot runlevel, so it's running. Still, some apps, like flash movies in firefox, don't behave nicely. Can you give us a URL for a flash movie so I can test?
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Need advice from people who use non-ascii all day long
I have a project which requires normalizing names, and by that, I mean converting to lower case etc, whatever eliminates redundancies. I know Unicode has a different normalize meaning, but for my purposes, that has already been done. Maybe I should call it standardization or make up a new cromulent word. By which I really mean I am confused by a lot of advice I have gotten from USAians who get by with the good old 7 bit ASCII character set on a daily basis, whether it be written in Unicode or not. Yes, I am something of an ignorant American. I know some Japanese, French, and Spanish, but not the details of everyday usage. I'd like to learn. Your project sounds interesting, but I have little to contribute on the technical side. I'm curious about your handling of Japanese, just because I'm living outside Tokyo these days. My grasp on Japanese is basically rubbish, but I can at least claim to know a thing or two. To keep this in line with your stated application, I actually wonder how you handle Tokyo. For pronunciation purposes, if you put it in hiragana and literally romanized it, you'd probably get Toukyou. In Japanese a double-vowel just extends the sound and isn't a dipthong (and usually o is extended by u and only rarely another o). For a lot of cases on the double 'oo' they'll Romanize the second 'o' as an 'h', since other wise someone will pronounce it like (a) fool. So, take a family name Ohshiro. Probably it should be Romanized Oohshiro, but then people would say something like seeing fireworks. Tokyo is Romanized this way, according to one culture book I read, because everyone knows both the o's are extended! I'm sure all these people also know that kyo is a single syllable, too! So it's not To-key-oh it's just To-kyo where both syllables are extended from the double oo. Osaka is also an extended O at the beginning as I recall, and Kyoto is the same case as Tokyo (incidentally, the Chinese characters for those two cities are the same and just reversed in order!). Again to speak to the original application, I don't know who types Tookyoo or Tohkyoh or Toukyou. Probably no one because it's generally Romanized as we all know it. But for typing purposes, Japanese type the pronunciation of words via hiragana and then a little list pops up and they select the word they want. So in this sense, they are typing Toukyou into the keyboard...just it's in hiragana. If you had any questions about Japanese things, I could ask a colleague. They are all happy to answer questions. Regards, daid
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Baffled by Perl dependancies
I'm not 100% sure but I think eix-test-obsolete will find things like this. It will also scan the /etc/portage/package.* files and a few other things as well. Be forewarned, the output can be pretty . . . . large. lol It mostly depends on how out of date things are. Mine is usually huge. Thanks goodness for Konsole and being able to scroll up. You put no-limit on the scroll-back lines, right? Sadly I switched away from KDE and so I'm using Terminal now and not Konsole, and it doesn't seem to have the 'no-limit' scroll-back option, so I think I just hit the 9 key a bunch and said ok. Of course, I do like that Terminal has actual borderless mode, and that if I go fullscreen I don't get a thin border drawn around the screen. Yeah...I'm a whiner...but if I say full screen, I mean full screen!! ~daid
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Baffled by Perl dependancies
On 12/4/2009 10:21 PM, Dale wrote: Thanks goodness for Konsole and being able to scroll up. Where I come from, we use | less :p Meh, just into /tmp and use anything you want to view it if you really want to be hardcore. Less is really crappy for emerges at console-login. It requires you to hold down the page-down button pretty much (unless there is some option I don't know about? Does captial G do it like in vi?) I also don't like that less makes my colors disappear. Sure, it's not really important, but I mostly say this so someone can tell me I'm wrong and how to fix it. This matters sometimes if I'm doing work at console to unbreak my system and I'm getting an emerge error (not the colors, but the lack of auto-refresh or tailing). Regards, daid
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Heads up: Your system might be broken and/or insecure due to serious patch-2.6 bug
091205 Dale wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: He's updating, so packages that need to be in world are already there. If he is using the command he typed in, his world file is going to be huge. He is doing the updates individually without a -u or a -1 or anything else. That means every time he updates, that package goes into the world file. I'm hoping he typed that in wrong. I could take a whole day typing in exactly what I do, but I assumed the otherwise intelligent subscribers to the list would realise that I add '-1' to those pkgs which are not in 'world'. My 'world' file contains 112 entries, incl 28 'sys' + 35 'kde'. Really, does something like that need spelling out (tries to smile) ? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Sound card is only usable by one application at a time
@Yoav Luft, I don't know if this is the same problem, maybe it doesn't relate at all. You should start by checking that there's no pulseaudio or something like that monopolizing the alsa output, because maybe the problem is not alsa itself. But, if alsa is running alone, I'd start by checking the alsa bug tracker and see if there's someone that has the same card/uses the same driver and has the same problem. Just a suggestion on how to test easily. Boot into console-login and run mplayer in one ty and mpg321 in another. I'm sure there are a million variants on ways to do this, but I assume most have mplayer installed, and mpg321 is small enough for a quick install, and it uses different libraries I believe, so it should access separately. Apparently I can't even follow my own advice, because mplayer is disallowing mpg321 to access my soundcard! Well, I guess that explains my youtube issues! Of course mpg321 isn't allowed access if youtube is playing either. I guess I should fix my own system Regards, daid
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Sound card is only usable by one application at a time
alsasound is on boot runlevel, so it's running. Still, some apps, like flash movies in firefox, don't behave nicely. Can you give us a URL for a flash movie so I can test? Since I'm having trouble too, here is a youtube video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoAbMfg9_Uk Maybe you'll like the track. :P ~daid
Re: [gentoo-user] adobe air working for anyone?
Hi, On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 08:26, Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone gotten adobe air working? I've got an .air file (PandoraOne app) and I've installed adobe air from the ikelos overlay, but I can't figure out how to run the app. I installed the Adobe AIR SDK downloaded directly from Adobe. I put it in /opt/AIR-SDK. I then created /opt/AIR-apps where I unzip the .air files for my apps (.air is just a zip file). I then run my app with a command like this: $ /opt/AIR-SDK/bin/adl /opt/AIR-apps/app_name/META-INF/AIR/application.xml /opt/AIR-apps/app_name/ You might need to adjust that command line according to where AIR is installed from the ikelos overlay. HTH, Mike
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Need advice from people who use non-ascii all day long
On Sun, Dec 06, 2009 at 10:58:59AM +0900, daid kahl wrote: I'm curious about your handling of Japanese, just because I'm living outside Tokyo these days. My grasp on Japanese is basically rubbish, but I can at least claim to know a thing or two. Our handling is simple -- we don't yet. I don't know how to handle things like that, or the previous example of Copenhagen in different languages. Look at Naples -- that's not what Italins call it. Venice is really bad -- no idea how English got it so mangled. Speaking of Japanese, their word for Mexico (last time I checked) was taken from the English MEKS-ih-ko and comes out as may-kee-shoo-ko rather than the more more natural may-hee-ko if they had taken it straight from Spanish. As long a things stay in Unicode in the native language, we will do alright. It's covering accepted mistakes (I can't think of a better term) that is the problem -- thus my worries I'd have to include all the accented and unaccented versions. I learned enough Japanese to travel and hold bare bones questions. As for romanization of Japanese, how do you even know which system to use? Just as Peking is now Beijing, I have seen Tokyo with bars over the Os and of course without. That is the same problem as Rome and Roma. As for ToKyo being two syllables ... I think it depends on how one defines syllables. Ak a Japanese to pronounce three (san) slowly, and it wil be two syllables, sa-n, saw uhn. Ask for three hundred which comes out as sambyaku because the n syllable changes sound when it sounds better, and they will make quite a few syllables out of it, such as (I am guessing now) saw-umm-bee-yaw-koo. To write Tokyo in the proper furigana is probably something like toh-o-kee-yoh-o. Kyoto is the same case as Tokyo (incidentally, the Chinese characters for those two cities are the same and just reversed in order!). Nope -- Tokyo is ??, east capital. Kyoto is ??, capital city. Kyo is the same, to is different. -- ... _._. ._ ._. . _._. ._. ___ .__ ._. . .__. ._ .. ._. Felix Finch: scarecrow repairman rocket surgeon / fe...@crowfix.com GPG = E987 4493 C860 246C 3B1E 6477 7838 76E9 182E 8151 ITAR license #4933 I've found a solution to Fermat's Last Theorem but I see I've run out of room o
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Need advice from people who use non-ascii all day long
Our handling is simple -- we don't yet. I don't know how to handle things like that, or the previous example of Copenhagen in different languages. Look at Naples -- that's not what Italins call it. Venice is really bad -- no idea how English got it so mangled. Speaking of Japanese, their word for Mexico (last time I checked) was taken from the English MEKS-ih-ko and comes out as may-kee-shoo-ko rather than the more more natural may-hee-ko if they had taken it straight from Spanish. Yeah, you get all kinds of crazy. For a long time I couldn't understand why 'computer' is in katakana (ie: taken from English) and 'calculus' isn't. As it turns out, the Japanese invented calculus independent of Newton and Leibniz. As for ToKyo being two syllables ... I think it depends on how one defines syllables. Ak a Japanese to pronounce three (san) slowly, and it wil be two syllables, sa-n, saw uhn. Ask for three hundred which comes out as sambyaku because the n syllable changes sound when it sounds better, and they will make quite a few syllables out of it, such as (I am guessing now) saw-umm-bee-yaw-koo. To write Tokyo in the proper furigana is probably something like toh-o-kee-yoh-o. Well, I don't think n is really a syllable. It's a sound, and it's the only part of the syllabary in Japanese that doesn't have a vowel. I'm not really convinced this is a syllable in reality. The proper way to write Tokyo for syllabary would be to-u-kyo-u I think, but I'm not certain. But really that's misleading because you're *not* supposed to pronounce the sounds twice, you just extend them, so they aren't really syllables either, they are just modifiers. Kyoto is the same case as Tokyo (incidentally, the Chinese characters for those two cities are the same and just reversed in order!). Nope -- Tokyo is 東京, east capital. Kyoto is 京都, capital city. Kyo is the same, to is different. Huh. I wonder how the hell I came up with that? I'm convinced I did not decide that on my own but that someone told me. And they told me I'm sure because I remember the story that went with it. Very strange. But you're absolutely right. Regards, daid
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Need advice from people who use non-ascii all day long
such as (I am guessing now) saw-umm-bee-yaw-koo. To write Tokyo in the proper furigana is probably something like toh-o-kee-yoh-o. Oh, I should mention that this is in writing correct. But the yo is a subscript, so it's also a modifier, so the ki part isn't pronounced, it's modified into a different sound... Good times. ~daid
Re: [gentoo-user] Looking for x86 or AMD64 disassembler
On Sat, 05 Dec 2009 18:29:50 -0700 Brandon Vargo wrote: On Sat, 2009-12-05 at 19:33 -0500, David Relson wrote: I'm looking for a disassembler so that I can see the underlying assembly code in a variety of files, for example elf executables, DOS executables, binary files (such as the master boot record (MBR)), etc. [snip] What do you all recommend for disassemblers? Are there any good ones for Gentoo? I've used objdump (part of binutils) in the past for looking at ELF files; look at the -d option for disassembly. A quick test shows that it seems to work for exe files too, but I've never used it that way as I don't use Windows much, so I don't know for sure. For the MBR, I don't know of any disassemblers per-se, but hex editors work well depending on what you are doing. hexdump (part of sys-apps/util-linux) works well. You might want to make an image of the MBR first with dd, depending on which tool you use, as some do not support reading from the disk directly. Regards, Brandon Vargo Hi Brandon, Indeed, hexdump mbr would show me the bytes but I want to see the code as instructions. objdump works fine for ELF. Being greedy, the ideal tool would handle all 3 formats. The immediate need is pure binary (like the MBR). A couple of weeks ago I had to resort to an old DOS disassembler for a DOS executable. I'd be much happier with a straight Linux solution. Regards, David
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Heads up: Your system might be broken and/or insecure due to serious patch-2.6 bug
I could take a whole day typing in exactly what I do, but I assumed the otherwise intelligent subscribers to the list would realise that I add '-1' to those pkgs which are not in 'world'. My 'world' file contains 112 entries, incl 28 'sys' + 35 'kde'. Really, does something like that need spelling out (tries to smile) ? It probably doesn't, but since this thread has gotten slightly hot, I'll only insult myself here. I forget to add 1 a lot more than I should, and as a result my world file is probably full of pollution. This isn't to say I don't clean it out from time to time, but in theory people are just posting reminders to be sure you weren't forgetting yourself -- I know I'm guilty of it sometimes. On that note, I'd like to ask a question I was going to post or email about. Can I comment the world file. More interestingly, is there a way to pass portage a comment to stick in world above the package? This would be really damn useful. For example, sometimes I'm testing things, and I really do mean to install a package without oneshot. But I might be installing a bunch of things to try to get some third-party dependencies resolved, and later I don't need all them (or I'd like to know why I put it there!!). Thoughts? Regards, daid
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Need advice from people who use non-ascii all day long
On Sun, Dec 06, 2009 at 11:45:43AM +0900, daid kahl wrote: Well, I don't think n is really a syllable. It's a sound, and it's the only part of the syllabary in Japanese that doesn't have a vowel. I'm not really convinced this is a syllable in reality. It's certainly a syllable in their syllabaries, and their opinion is all that counts ... it is *their* language ... The proper way to write Tokyo for syllabary would be to-u-kyo-u I No, they don't have kyo in the syllabaries. The furigana I have seen say that is ki-yo, two syllables. Now I may be full of it, as most of what I learned was 30 years ago, and I never got beyond reading and writing at a third or fourth grade level. I imagine Japanese readers of this are snickering at the crazy foreigners. -- ... _._. ._ ._. . _._. ._. ___ .__ ._. . .__. ._ .. ._. Felix Finch: scarecrow repairman rocket surgeon / fe...@crowfix.com GPG = E987 4493 C860 246C 3B1E 6477 7838 76E9 182E 8151 ITAR license #4933 I've found a solution to Fermat's Last Theorem but I see I've run out of room o
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Baffled by Perl dependancies
On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 9:16 PM, daid kahl daid...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/4/2009 10:21 PM, Dale wrote: Thanks goodness for Konsole and being able to scroll up. Where I come from, we use | less :p Meh, just into /tmp and use anything you want to view it if you really want to be hardcore. Less is really crappy for emerges at console-login. It requires you to hold down the page-down button pretty much (unless there is some option I don't know about? Does captial G do it like in vi?) I also don't like that less makes my colors disappear. Sure, it's not really important, but I mostly say this so someone can tell me I'm wrong and how to fix it. In less, pressing F will put it in follow mode, to act like tail. Not sure how that'd work for monitoring emerges and such on the fly (never really used that feature, just know of it), but less is, in general, very handy for sifting through emerge --pretend. emerge --color y ... will override disabling color when the output isn't a tty (which is the default because it doesn't know whether you're piping to something that can handle the color codes or not). This matters sometimes if I'm doing work at console to unbreak my system and I'm getting an emerge error (not the colors, but the lack of auto-refresh or tailing). Color's sometimes helpful too, since it provides added visual queues so you can process what you're looking at just a hair faster ;) Regards, daid -- Poison [BLX] Joshua M. Murphy
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Acer Core2Duo only sees 3G of RAM
Isn't the memory hole above 3GB present even in the 64bit systems? Something about the MMIO reservations for the PCI bus taking up the top gig of the first four Gigs? -- Drew Nothing in life is to be feared. It is only to be understood. --Marie Curie
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Heads up: Your system might be broken and/or insecure due to serious patch-2.6 bug
On Saturday 05 December 2009 21:09:50 Philip Webb wrote: Please read what I said hopefully think briefly before responding. If the pkg is already in 'world', it's 'emerge pkg'; if not -- the more frequent case -- , it's 'emerge -1 pkg'. That keeps everything in order (yes, you have to watch what you do). Rather *always* use -1, then you don't have to keep track in your head what is and isn't in world. You will likely finish your update session with -p --depclean anyway, so anything that should have gone into world can be fixed with a quick -n followed by a --depclean for real Much easier than trying to keep world in your head and avoids world pollution when you will inevitably get it wrong, which requires you to examine all 128 entries in world and hand-edit the file. Some things in this world humans are exceptionally bad at and computers are exceptionally good at. Let portage do what portage does best. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Heads up: Your system might be broken and/or insecure due to serious patch-2.6 bug
On Saturday 05 December 2009 22:14:48 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: And world is important. world is the difference between 'installed manually' and 'just a dependency'. What you are doing fucks this up. Result: portage can not figure which package was installed because you want it and which one is just a dependency that can be removed by depclean. It also removes portage's ability to manually resolve b blockers -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
[gentoo-user] Re: Sound card is only usable by one application at a time
You *might* want to look into OSS4 if your card is supported by it :P It will require a rebuild of many packages though (oss -alsa in make.conf) and it requires using non-portage packages from an overlay and rebuilding your kernel with sound support completely disabled. For what it's worth, that's what I use for a quite some time now. On 12/05/2009 11:36 PM, Yoav Luft wrote: alsasound is on boot runlevel, so it's running. Still, some apps, like flash movies in firefox, don't behave nicely. On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 7:15 PM, Nikos Chantziarasrea...@arcor.de wrote: You didn't mention whether you tried running the alsasound service in order to get dmix. If enabled, it doesn't matter what sound device the apps want to open.
Re: [gentoo-user] kde 4.3.4 crashing after login
Am Sonntag 06 Dezember 2009 01:27:49 schrieb Kenneth Prugh: On Sun, 06 Dec 2009 00:26:32 +0100 Johannes Kimmel johannes.kim...@gmx.de wrote: There's a discussion on the forum about this issue currently at https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?p=6085003 Reports that downgrading hal to 0.5.13-r2 fixes the issue (it did for me). Good to know. Ah, just as I saw this, my sync has finished and paludis reports it would like to downgrade hal. So it seems Gentoo devs did already react to the problem. Bye... Dirk
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Baffled by Perl dependancies
daid kahl wrote: I'm not 100% sure but I think eix-test-obsolete will find things like this. It will also scan the /etc/portage/package.* files and a few other things as well. Be forewarned, the output can be pretty . . . . large. lol It mostly depends on how out of date things are. Mine is usually huge. Thanks goodness for Konsole and being able to scroll up. You put no-limit on the scroll-back lines, right? Yep, it was set to like 1000 or something but I changed it. I can scroll back to the start of OOo for example. It does take a while tho. lol Sadly I switched away from KDE and so I'm using Terminal now and not Konsole, and it doesn't seem to have the 'no-limit' scroll-back option, so I think I just hit the 9 key a bunch and said ok. Of course, I do like that Terminal has actual borderless mode, and that if I go fullscreen I don't get a thin border drawn around the screen. Yeah...I'm a whiner...but if I say full screen, I mean full screen!! ~daid This is why I'm sticking with KDE I guess. I'm a little upset that they are dropping KDE 3 long before KDE 4 is ready and usable for me but kde-sunset is working so far. Bad thing is, if I end up switching, I most likely won't switch back. Sort of reminds me of my ex, when I left I was done. When I have had enough of something, I've had enough. Dale :-) :-)
