Re: [gentoo-user] Re: thunderbird fixed folders? [SOLVED]
On Monday 06 June 2011 11:55:07 Tanstaafl wrote: On 2011-06-06 11:16 AM, Joost Roeleveld wrote: Not idea, I'll grant you, but it isn't *that* hard to do... If you know the different locations to change it AND realize you need to restart the application for changes like these to take effect? These settings should be immediately active. I didn't write the software. Wishing something a certain way doesn't make it so, you have to deal with things as they are. It's still bad design. Restarting an application when changing a config-file in a third-party editor. Yes, that makes sense. But, when changing a setting using the GUI itself, a restart should not be necessary. I'm not using MS Windows where a reboot is necessary for settings to become active. -- Joost
Re: [gentoo-user] Vbox won't show up on left monitor at full screen
Apparently, though unproven, at 07:20 on Tuesday 07 June 2011, Mick did opine thusly: On Monday 06 Jun 2011 23:44:12 Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 00:08 on Tuesday 07 June 2011, Mick did opine thusly: I'm not sure I understand why this happens: Left monitor is 1280x1024 native resolution, right monitor is larger. The virtualbox control panel opens on the left monitor and stays there. If I launch a guest (Windows7) it pops up in the left monitor too. That's how it should be, but the vbox window now has scroll bars because the monitor is the same size like the guest desktop (1280x1024). The first time I selected Full Screen it maximised and covered the whole of the left monitor. That's also how I thought it should be. However, the moment I pressed right Ctrl+F to come out of Full Screen mode and then back into it, instead of re-expanding to cover the whole of the left monitor, it decided to pop up into the right monitor! I have not been able to convince it to stay in the left monitor when maximised ever since. No idea why it only behaved correctly once and now will not obey my clearly articulated intent, despite how much I have been swearing at it! Is there a fix? virtualbox-4.0.8 and e17? Sorry, I should have said: app-emulation/virtualbox-bin-3.2.12-r1 in KDE4.6. Stable x86. When in full screen, what do you have set in popup_menu - View - Virtual Screens I tried both 1 2 but it keeps popping up on the second screen. Ah, a stable user. IIRC a lot of things changed with 4.0 (which I use) so I doubt I can be of much help. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Thanks for all the fish!
Apparently, though unproven, at 04:55 on Tuesday 07 June 2011, Dale did opine thusly: Bill Longman wrote: On 06/06/2011 11:32 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: Hi, Gentoo. Just to say I'll be withdrawing from this list in a few days, unsubscribing actually, mainly so that I can go back to being an Emacs developer; the number of emails on both lists combined is just more than I can handle comfortably. Well, just make sure you pay your bill before you leave. You've been asking questions for 1053 days now, so all those bits have to be paid for. And we only accept pizza or beer. Alan or Dale will provide you with the shipment details. For future reference, I like pizza but give the beer to someone else. I'm a T totaler myself. Also, my favorite is Papa Johns although I can't afford them anymore. I'd rather eat a steak than spend that much on a pizza. Pizza is good but steak is better. And to think you all thought you had me figured out. lol Right, I'll have the beer then. NewCastle Brown Ale thanks -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Init
JDM wrote: When switching from runlevel 3 to 1 init 1 seems to work as I would expect. When I init 3 applications hang, I have to keep hitting return to get any progress. Usually I end up rebooting as X won't start. Question - should I be using init to change runlevels or is there a better way of doing this? This has been happening for a long time and definitely before openrc. I usually reboot to avoid the hang ups. JDM You should be using the rc command tho init should work in theory. Example, rc single or rc default or whatever runlevel you want to switch to. That is without the quotes tho. I did notice earlier that when I switch to single, it is not unmounting some file systems for some reason. When I try to switch back to default, rc sort of pukes. If I unmount everything first, it switches cleanly. I think openrc has some . . . weirdness still. You can check out the rc man page for more info. That help any? Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Init
Dale wrote: JDM wrote: When switching from runlevel 3 to 1 init 1 seems to work as I would expect. When I init 3 applications hang, I have to keep hitting return to get any progress. Usually I end up rebooting as X won't start. Question - should I be using init to change runlevels or is there a better way of doing this? This has been happening for a long time and definitely before openrc. I usually reboot to avoid the hang ups. JDM You should be using the rc command tho init should work in theory. Example, rc single or rc default or whatever runlevel you want to switch to. That is without the quotes tho. I did notice earlier that when I switch to single, it is not unmounting some file systems for some reason. When I try to switch back to default, rc sort of pukes. If I unmount everything first, it switches cleanly. I think openrc has some . . . weirdness still. You can check out the rc man page for more info. That help any? Dale :-) :-) Let me add this, if you type rc then hit tab twice, you should see some more rc type commands. You may want to check into some of them too. They provide info and do other things, including adding/removing things from a runlevel. I'm assuming you are a bit new to Gentoo. I may be wrong and it wouldn't be the first time either. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Init
Thanks Dale. Will try tonight when I get home. After using Gentoo for a number of years you get used to doing things a certain. These mailing lists really help expand knowledge. Regards JDM -Original Message- From: Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 02:22:27 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Init Dale wrote: JDM wrote: When switching from runlevel 3 to 1 init 1 seems to work as I would expect. When I init 3 applications hang, I have to keep hitting return to get any progress. Usually I end up rebooting as X won't start. Question - should I be using init to change runlevels or is there a better way of doing this? This has been happening for a long time and definitely before openrc. I usually reboot to avoid the hang ups. JDM You should be using the rc command tho init should work in theory. Example, rc single or rc default or whatever runlevel you want to switch to. That is without the quotes tho. I did notice earlier that when I switch to single, it is not unmounting some file systems for some reason. When I try to switch back to default, rc sort of pukes. If I unmount everything first, it switches cleanly. I think openrc has some . . . weirdness still. You can check out the rc man page for more info. That help any? Dale :-) :-) Let me add this, if you type rc then hit tab twice, you should see some more rc type commands. You may want to check into some of them too. They provide info and do other things, including adding/removing things from a runlevel. I'm assuming you are a bit new to Gentoo. I may be wrong and it wouldn't be the first time either. Dale :-) :-)
[gentoo-user] portage-2.2.0_alpha38 --depclean
Latest portage-2.2.0_alpha38 has changed something with system set and depclean handling. It now shows this: !!! 'app-editors/nano' is part of your system profile. !!! Unmerging it may be damaging to your system. app-editors/nano selected: 2.3.1 protected: none omitted: none !!! 'sys-apps/less' is part of your system profile. !!! Unmerging it may be damaging to your system. sys-apps/less selected: 443 protected: none omitted: none Changelog doesn't say much about this. I have nano, vim, more and less installed and vim is in world. I really don't feel like adding the other three since they are already in system (and by definition a subset of world) Anyone else seeing this? My profile is default/linux/amd64/10.0/desktop -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot comg
Re: [gentoo-user] portage-2.2.0_alpha38 --depclean
Alan McKinnon wrote: Latest portage-2.2.0_alpha38 has changed something with system set and depclean handling. It now shows this: !!! 'app-editors/nano' is part of your system profile. !!! Unmerging it may be damaging to your system. app-editors/nano selected: 2.3.1 protected: none omitted: none !!! 'sys-apps/less' is part of your system profile. !!! Unmerging it may be damaging to your system. sys-apps/less selected: 443 protected: none omitted: none Changelog doesn't say much about this. I have nano, vim, more and less installed and vim is in world. I really don't feel like adding the other three since they are already in system (and by definition a subset of world) Anyone else seeing this? My profile is default/linux/amd64/10.0/desktop I get this: These are the packages that would be unmerged: x11-misc/notification-daemon selected: 0.5.0 protected: none omitted: none !!! 'sys-apps/less' is part of your system profile. !!! Unmerging it may be damaging to your system. sys-apps/less selected: 441 protected: none omitted: none media-fonts/dejavu selected: 2.32 protected: none omitted: none x11-libs/libwnck selected: 2.30.6 protected: none omitted: none media-libs/libcanberra selected: 0.26 protected: none omitted: none x11-themes/sound-theme-freedesktop selected: 0.7 protected: none omitted: none gnome-base/gconf selected: 2.32.0-r1 protected: none omitted: none gnome-base/orbit selected: 2.14.19 protected: none omitted: none All selected packages: x11-libs/libwnck-2.30.6 media-fonts/dejavu-2.32 media-libs/libcanberra-0.26 x11-misc/notification-daemon-0.5.0 gnome-base/gconf-2.32.0-r1 x11-themes/sound-theme-freedesktop-0.7 gnome-base/orbit-2.14.19 sys-apps/less-441 'Selected' packages are slated for removal. 'Protected' and 'omitted' packages will not be removed. Would you like to unmerge these packages? [Yes/No] Some of that is likely legit but I got the same error you got looks like. Sounds like we better mask this version of portage and maybe get out a can of Raid. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Thanks for all the fish!
Hi, Bill. On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 04:11:57PM -0700, Bill Longman wrote: On 06/06/2011 11:32 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: Hi, Gentoo. Just to say I'll be withdrawing from this list in a few days, unsubscribing actually, mainly so that I can go back to being an Emacs developer; the number of emails on both lists combined is just more than I can handle comfortably. Well, just make sure you pay your bill before you leave. You've been asking questions for 1053 days now, so all those bits have to be paid for. And we only accept pizza or beer. Alan or Dale will provide you with the shipment details. When it comes to beer, what better place than Bavaria? We're not exactly short of pizza either. Come on all, down to Nuremberg, and I'll buy you a round! -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
Re: [gentoo-user] Thanks for all the fish!
Hi, David. On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 07:47:37PM -0400, David Relson wrote: Long live emacs ! emacs is an essential part of my personal toolkit. I've been using it since 1996. For 11 yrs before that I used epsilon - an editor with much the same keymappings. Wow! I started in about 1997, writing my first commands (to scroll the screen by 6 lines) a few months later. I started using epsilon ( That goes back a bit! -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
Re: [gentoo-user] Thanks for all the fish!
Hi, Indi. On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 03:15:14PM -0400, Indi wrote: On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 06:32:11PM +, Alan Mackenzie wrote: Hi, Gentoo. Just to say I'll be withdrawing from this list in a few days, unsubscribing actually, mainly so that I can go back to being an Emacs developer; the number of emails on both lists combined is just more than I can handle comfortably. I've counted 28 questions I've asked since late 2009, and every single one of them bar two got good answers too. One of those two I answered myself just after posting the email ;-), and the other is currently a bug report. I'd like to say THANK YOU to everybody who helped me get a well running Gentoo system and patiently taught me about it, but in particular to Alan McKinnon because he's got such a splendid name. Well, at least we lose you to another worthy project, sounds like. Best of luck and come back whenever you feel like it! Thanks. I'll definitely be back some time. -- klaatu virada nicto -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
Re: [gentoo-user] portage-2.2.0_alpha38 --depclean
On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 11:10:25 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: !!! 'app-editors/nano' is part of your system profile. !!! Unmerging it may be damaging to your system. !!! 'sys-apps/less' is part of your system profile. !!! Unmerging it may be damaging to your system. Anyone else seeing this? No. I don't have nano installed but I do have less. I see that portage now has a less USE flag, which I disabled -- Neil Bothwick Walking on water and writing software to specification is easy if they're frozen. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Thanks for all the fish!
Hi, James. On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 06:56:49PM +, James wrote: Alan Mackenzie acm at muc.de writes: Just to say I'll be withdrawing from this list in a few days, Well, you can withdraw from the volume of mail but using gmane to interface to the list: gmane.org Just use an interface like gmane.org It's occurred to me - the mailing list is gatewayed onto NNTP. Maybe I could keep up there. or follow the postings (when time permits) via your favorite mail reader. Gmane if very cool and you do not need to post or delete messages, only use on the rare occasion you have time. If you hose your gentoo system, you can get quick help from any web browser; no need to re-subscribe to the list, just configure gmane and those mail packets go BYE_BYE! Mail readers are threaded and an easy way to catch up on important things by just browsing topicsjust subscribe to linux.gentoo.user Besides how can grow a cool community, if you leave? Hmm. Yes I do feel guilty. Maybe I can keep up on Usenet. hth, James -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
Re: [gentoo-user] Thanks for all the fish!
Hello, Alan. On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 08:49:37PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 20:32 on Monday 06 June 2011, Alan Mackenzie did opine thusly: Hi, Gentoo. Just to say I'll be withdrawing from this list in a few days, unsubscribing actually, mainly so that I can go back to being an Emacs developer; the number of emails on both lists combined is just more than I can handle comfortably. I've counted 28 questions I've asked since late 2009, and every single one of them bar two got good answers too. One of those two I answered myself just after posting the email ;-), and the other is currently a bug report. I'd like to say THANK YOU to everybody who helped me get a well running Gentoo system and patiently taught me about it, but in particular to Alan McKinnon because he's got such a splendid name. Aw shucks, now you made me blush :-) Hah! I know what you mean about the quality of user around here - no other list I'm on anywhere else comes close. I know I whinge a lot about the many wonderful ways Gentoo can break, but I keep coming back. It is only the dissatisfied who advance the state of the art. Part of it is the ease of changing things around and trying new versions, but mostly it's because of the folks here. Yes, I understand. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: thunderbird fixed folders? [SOLVED]
* kashani kashani-l...@badapple.net [110606 19:37]: On 6/6/2011 4:31 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 01:01 on Tuesday 07 June 2011, James did opine thusly: Ju want closet commando action? Check out some of my old college buddies from Alaska: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tza2L6kfl8Efeature=youtu.be PEACE (through superior firepower) is the Alaskan motto WTF is that thing the ladies are firing at 1:25 and 4:25? I'll hazard a guess at the calibre - 18mm? And I thought the RPG7s we played with back in the day were impressive .50 cal or 12.9mm. It's single shot bolt action so it's likely some variation of the Barret M82 rifle though there are other systems. $6-8 a round to shoot or maybe as low as $3 if you're using reloads. kashani The M82 is a 10-rd, box magazine, semi auto, not a bolt action. It could be a Ferret (bolt action .50 upper on an AR-15 lower) or similar. And ammo prices have come back down after people realized the best gun salesman in the world (Obama) wasn't going to immediately try to push new anti-self-defense regulations. Todd
Re: [gentoo-user] portage-2.2.0_alpha38 --depclean
Apparently, though unproven, at 12:54 on Tuesday 07 June 2011, Neil Bothwick did opine thusly: On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 11:10:25 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: !!! 'app-editors/nano' is part of your system profile. !!! Unmerging it may be damaging to your system. !!! 'sys-apps/less' is part of your system profile. !!! Unmerging it may be damaging to your system. Anyone else seeing this? No. I don't have nano installed but I do have less. I see that portage now has a less USE flag, which I disabled #370295 -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] portage-2.2.0_alpha38 --depclean
On Tue, Jun 07, 2011 at 11:10:25AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: sys-apps/less selected: 443 protected: none omitted: none Changelog doesn't say much about this. I have nano, vim, more and less installed and vim is in world. I really don't feel like adding the other three since they are already in system (and by definition a subset of world) Anyone else seeing this? Yes, I had the exact same thing after moving some things around and updating yesterday. Then after using --noreplace, there were two others (I've forgotten them now). Revdep-rebuild and a reboot appears to have fixed it. -- klaatu virada nicto
Re: [gentoo-user] portage-2.2.0_alpha38 --depclean
* Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com [110607 04:42]: Latest portage-2.2.0_alpha38 has changed something with system set and depclean handling. It now shows this: !!! 'app-editors/nano' is part of your system profile. !!! Unmerging it may be damaging to your system. app-editors/nano selected: 2.3.1 protected: none omitted: none !!! 'sys-apps/less' is part of your system profile. !!! Unmerging it may be damaging to your system. sys-apps/less selected: 443 protected: none omitted: none Changelog doesn't say much about this. I have nano, vim, more and less installed and vim is in world. I really don't feel like adding the other three since they are already in system (and by definition a subset of world) Anyone else seeing this? My profile is default/linux/amd64/10.0/desktop -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot comg I'm seeing it with nano Todd
Re: [gentoo-user] portage-2.2.0_alpha38 --depclean
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 2:10 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Latest portage-2.2.0_alpha38 has changed something with system set and depclean handling. It now shows this: !!! 'app-editors/nano' is part of your system profile. !!! Unmerging it may be damaging to your system. I saw the same thing here yesterday so I added nano less to my world file just so I could move on. - Mark
[gentoo-user] udisks wants to downgrade udev and parted - but why?
Hi, I'm puzzled again by portage's logic. When trying to emerge sys-fs/udisks-1.0.2-r4 it wants to downgrade sys-fs/udev from 171 to 168-r2 and sys-block/parted from 3.0 to 2.4 The udisks' ebuild contains =sys-fs/udev-147[extras] =sys-block/parted-1.8.8[device-mapper] sys-fs/udev hasn't an 'extra' use flag and sys-block/parted-3.0 has been emerged with the device-mapper use flag. But why does portage try to downgrade these to packages? Thanks for shedding some light on this one, Helmut.
Re: [gentoo-user] udisks wants to downgrade udev and parted - but why?
On Tue, 07 Jun 2011 17:36:08 +0200, Helmut Jarausch wrote: sys-block/parted-3.0 has been emerged with the device-mapper use flag. But why does portage try to downgrade these to packages? parted 3.0 is now masked, it broke gparted and others # Jeroen Roovers j...@gentoo.org (5 Jun 2011) # Masked until bug #370163 is resolved. =sys-block/parted-3.0 -- Neil Bothwick Anything worth fighting for is worth fighting dirty for. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] udisks wants to downgrade udev and parted - but why?
Helmut Jarausch schrieb am 07.06.2011 17:36: When trying to emerge sys-fs/udisks-1.0.2-r4 it wants to downgrade sys-fs/udev from 171 to 168-r2 The udisks' ebuild contains =sys-fs/udev-147[extras] sys-fs/udev hasn't an 'extra' use flag But sys-fs/udev-168-r2 has an extra use flag thus the dependency is satisfied and portage wants to downgrade udev. See bug http://bugs.gentoo.org/348472 for more information. -- Daniel Pielmeier signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[gentoo-user] vmware opengl
Hi list, I have to run windows most of the time on my main desktop for work reasons, but every now and then I install a gentoo guest on vmware to see how the latest DMs are coming along. The current KDE4 is vastly improved from last time, extremely responsive and everything is really nice...except that I cannot get opengl working for compositing. The virtual machine has acceleration enabled, everything relevant has opengl compiled. I'm not very experienced with X/opengl/etc so I'm not sure what else needs to be done. glxinfo gives me: name of display: :0 Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig I'm not sure if it's even possible to get opengl working here...but I assume it is as a mythbuntu vm works perfectly displaying live tv etc. Anyway, any tips on this subject appreciated. It's hard to find anything on google related to this. Many thanks
Re: [gentoo-user] vmware opengl
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Matt Harrison iwasinnamuk...@genestate.com wrote: Hi list, I have to run windows most of the time on my main desktop for work reasons, but every now and then I install a gentoo guest on vmware to see how the latest DMs are coming along. The current KDE4 is vastly improved from last time, extremely responsive and everything is really nice...except that I cannot get opengl working for compositing. The virtual machine has acceleration enabled, everything relevant has opengl compiled. I'm not very experienced with X/opengl/etc so I'm not sure what else needs to be done. AFAIK there is nothing working currently that allows you to use 3D acceleration in linux guest in VMWare. There are several non-working, half-working, used-to-work-but-don't-anymore projects trying to achieve it, but they're generally unmaintained and more of proof-of-concept than ready for users. The 3D acceleration does work for Windows guests, using the vmware helper drivers. Last time I tried it (a year or so ago), it worked as far as 3D being detected by the guest OS, but was not actually useable for anything real because it was so buggy and incomplete. I think the official way to use 3D in linux vmware guest is to use the vmwgfx kernel module, building some specific (patched?) libdrm, mesa with certain gallium configuration options, and enabling some magic switches in your xorg.conf, though I have read that this hasn't worked in a year or two. If you're using old versions of kernel everything then maybe it could work... But I'm no expert in this area, maybe I'm wrong. ;)
Re: [gentoo-user] vmware opengl
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Matt Harrison iwasinnamuk...@genestate.com wrote: Hi list, I have to run windows most of the time on my main desktop for work reasons, but every now and then I install a gentoo guest on vmware to see how the latest DMs are coming along. The current KDE4 is vastly improved from last time, extremely responsive and everything is really nice...except that I cannot get opengl working for compositing. The virtual machine has acceleration enabled, everything relevant has opengl compiled. I'm not very experienced with X/opengl/etc so I'm not sure what else needs to be done. AFAIK there is nothing working currently that allows you to use 3D acceleration in linux guest in VMWare. There are several non-working, half-working, used-to-work-but-don't-anymore projects trying to achieve it, but they're generally unmaintained and more of proof-of-concept than ready for users. The 3D acceleration does work for Windows guests, using the vmware helper drivers. Last time I tried it (a year or so ago), it worked as far as 3D being detected by the guest OS, but was not actually useable for anything real because it was so buggy and incomplete. I think the official way to use 3D in linux vmware guest is to use the vmwgfx kernel module, building some specific (patched?) libdrm, mesa with certain gallium configuration options, and enabling some magic switches in your xorg.conf, though I have read that this hasn't worked in a year or two. If you're using old versions of kernel everything then maybe it could work... But I'm no expert in this area, maybe I'm wrong. ;) I will add that maybe you can do something more simple like client/server relationship between your host and guest, just use your non-virtual X server to render the remote (virtualized) programs.
[gentoo-user] Re: vmware opengl
On 06/07/2011 09:43 PM, Matt Harrison wrote: Hi list, I have to run windows most of the time on my main desktop for work reasons, but every now and then I install a gentoo guest on vmware to see how the latest DMs are coming along. The current KDE4 is vastly improved from last time, extremely responsive and everything is really nice...except that I cannot get opengl working for compositing. The virtual machine has acceleration enabled, everything relevant has opengl compiled. I'm not very experienced with X/opengl/etc so I'm not sure what else needs to be done. glxinfo gives me: name of display: :0 Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig I'm not sure if it's even possible to get opengl working here...but I assume it is as a mythbuntu vm works perfectly displaying live tv etc. Anyway, any tips on this subject appreciated. It's hard to find anything on google related to this. You need to use the vmware DRM kernel driver and vmwgfx Gallium driver. Only then can you have accelerated 3D in Linux guests. The DRM driver is easily enabled in the kernel configuration (it's in the staging drivers section). Not sure about the vmwgfx gallium driver though.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: vmware opengl
On 07/06/2011 20:34, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 06/07/2011 09:43 PM, Matt Harrison wrote: Hi list, I have to run windows most of the time on my main desktop for work reasons, but every now and then I install a gentoo guest on vmware to see how the latest DMs are coming along. The current KDE4 is vastly improved from last time, extremely responsive and everything is really nice...except that I cannot get opengl working for compositing. The virtual machine has acceleration enabled, everything relevant has opengl compiled. I'm not very experienced with X/opengl/etc so I'm not sure what else needs to be done. glxinfo gives me: name of display: :0 Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig I'm not sure if it's even possible to get opengl working here...but I assume it is as a mythbuntu vm works perfectly displaying live tv etc. Anyway, any tips on this subject appreciated. It's hard to find anything on google related to this. You need to use the vmware DRM kernel driver and vmwgfx Gallium driver. Only then can you have accelerated 3D in Linux guests. The DRM driver is easily enabled in the kernel configuration (it's in the staging drivers section). Not sure about the vmwgfx gallium driver though. Thanks both of you, I'll take that as a no, but I'll keep playing and see if I can get anywhere :)
Re: [gentoo-user] portage-2.2.0_alpha38 --depclean
Apparently, though unproven, at 13:36 on Tuesday 07 June 2011, Alan McKinnon did opine thusly: Apparently, though unproven, at 12:54 on Tuesday 07 June 2011, Neil Bothwick did opine thusly: On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 11:10:25 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: !!! 'app-editors/nano' is part of your system profile. !!! Unmerging it may be damaging to your system. !!! 'sys-apps/less' is part of your system profile. !!! Unmerging it may be damaging to your system. Anyone else seeing this? No. I don't have nano installed but I do have less. I see that portage now has a less USE flag, which I disabled #370295 Zac responded (comment #21) to my post in that bug with quite a well-reasoned rationale. It makes interesting reading. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: vmware opengl
On 07/06/2011 20:34, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 06/07/2011 09:43 PM, Matt Harrison wrote: Hi list, I have to run windows most of the time on my main desktop for work reasons, but every now and then I install a gentoo guest on vmware to see how the latest DMs are coming along. The current KDE4 is vastly improved from last time, extremely responsive and everything is really nice...except that I cannot get opengl working for compositing. The virtual machine has acceleration enabled, everything relevant has opengl compiled. I'm not very experienced with X/opengl/etc so I'm not sure what else needs to be done. glxinfo gives me: name of display: :0 Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig I'm not sure if it's even possible to get opengl working here...but I assume it is as a mythbuntu vm works perfectly displaying live tv etc. Anyway, any tips on this subject appreciated. It's hard to find anything on google related to this. You need to use the vmware DRM kernel driver and vmwgfx Gallium driver. Only then can you have accelerated 3D in Linux guests. The DRM driver is easily enabled in the kernel configuration (it's in the staging drivers section). Not sure about the vmwgfx gallium driver though. The DRM driver compiles and loads, the next step is to build the vmwgfx module from mesa. There is a post on the vmware forums with a user who talks about tweaking the ebuild for mesa to get the module built. Unfortunately that's all the info he gives. Plus, the rest of the post ends with people pretty much giving up on the whole project. It sounds like vmware aren't really interested in continuing development for it...shame.
Re: [gentoo-user] portage-2.2.0_alpha38 --depclean
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP #370295 Zac responded (comment #21) to my post in that bug with quite a well-reasoned rationale. It makes interesting reading. It was a good response. One question left hanging for me goes like this: I understand nano is a choice. Removing an editor like nano is 99.99% safe. There's no way removing nano is going to cause a system to not boot or be unable to do updates, so I remove it understanding (now) about virtuals. On the other hand how does someone who's not educated in booting or the internals of portage know that removing less wouldn't cause a problem that stops a machine from booting or makes it impossible to do updates? Cheers, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] portage-2.2.0_alpha38 --depclean
Apparently, though unproven, at 22:51 on Tuesday 07 June 2011, Mark Knecht did opine thusly: On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP #370295 Zac responded (comment #21) to my post in that bug with quite a well-reasoned rationale. It makes interesting reading. It was a good response. One question left hanging for me goes like this: I understand nano is a choice. Removing an editor like nano is 99.99% safe. There's no way removing nano is going to cause a system to not boot or be unable to do updates, so I remove it understanding (now) about virtuals. On the other hand how does someone who's not educated in booting or the internals of portage know that removing less wouldn't cause a problem that stops a machine from booting or makes it impossible to do updates? There is always an expectation of the minimum understanding needed to be able to use a technical product at all. The use of less and what to do if you don't have it falls fair and square into the you really should already know that to use Gentoo category. This isn't elitist, it's a technical fact. You have to set the bar somewhere and there's nothing wrong with that. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: vmware opengl
On 07/06/2011 21:40, Matt Harrison wrote: On 07/06/2011 20:34, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 06/07/2011 09:43 PM, Matt Harrison wrote: Hi list, I have to run windows most of the time on my main desktop for work reasons, but every now and then I install a gentoo guest on vmware to see how the latest DMs are coming along. The current KDE4 is vastly improved from last time, extremely responsive and everything is really nice...except that I cannot get opengl working for compositing. The virtual machine has acceleration enabled, everything relevant has opengl compiled. I'm not very experienced with X/opengl/etc so I'm not sure what else needs to be done. glxinfo gives me: name of display: :0 Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig I'm not sure if it's even possible to get opengl working here...but I assume it is as a mythbuntu vm works perfectly displaying live tv etc. Anyway, any tips on this subject appreciated. It's hard to find anything on google related to this. You need to use the vmware DRM kernel driver and vmwgfx Gallium driver. Only then can you have accelerated 3D in Linux guests. The DRM driver is easily enabled in the kernel configuration (it's in the staging drivers section). Not sure about the vmwgfx gallium driver though. The DRM driver compiles and loads, the next step is to build the vmwgfx module from mesa. There is a post on the vmware forums with a user who talks about tweaking the ebuild for mesa to get the module built. Unfortunately that's all the info he gives. Plus, the rest of the post ends with people pretty much giving up on the whole project. It sounds like vmware aren't really interested in continuing development for it...shame. Well I eventually managed to get the vmwgfx gallium driver to compile, but I get an undefined symbol when trying to load it with xorg. I'll give up with it now unless anyone else has an idea. It was a nice thought that I might get to see the power of vmware opengl :P
Re: [gentoo-user] portage-2.2.0_alpha38 --depclean
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 22:51 on Tuesday 07 June 2011, Mark Knecht did opine thusly: On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP #370295 Zac responded (comment #21) to my post in that bug with quite a well-reasoned rationale. It makes interesting reading. It was a good response. One question left hanging for me goes like this: I understand nano is a choice. Removing an editor like nano is 99.99% safe. There's no way removing nano is going to cause a system to not boot or be unable to do updates, so I remove it understanding (now) about virtuals. On the other hand how does someone who's not educated in booting or the internals of portage know that removing less wouldn't cause a problem that stops a machine from booting or makes it impossible to do updates? There is always an expectation of the minimum understanding needed to be able to use a technical product at all. The use of less and what to do if you don't have it falls fair and square into the you really should already know that to use Gentoo category. This isn't elitist, it's a technical fact. You have to set the bar somewhere and there's nothing wrong with that. Hi Alan, While I agree about setting the bar somewhere I think you sidestep answering the real question. I have no problem with saying someone needs to understand what less does. less isn't important. It's just the example at hand today. The 'problem' that I'm trying to get closer to answering is how does anyone other than a Gentoo dev, assuming some reasonable amount of effort, know that less isn't called by some script somewhere during the init process? How does one come to understand that maybe less is just as import as python is to the emerge process? (and I know it isn't...) What I didn't like about this issue popping up yesterday is that it altered the idea that average users never touch anything in @system. Iin fact, TTBOMK I've never in 11 or 12 years of running Gentoo ever done an emerge -C on a @system package until this morning when I removed nano. Again, I don't disagree at all with your comments. - Mark
[gentoo-user] Re: vmware opengl
On 06/08/2011 12:17 AM, Matt Harrison wrote: [...] Well I eventually managed to get the vmwgfx gallium driver to compile, but I get an undefined symbol when trying to load it with xorg. I'll give up with it now unless anyone else has an idea. It was a nice thought that I might get to see the power of vmware opengl :P Well, they announced that they plan to work on this though: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_itempx=OTQ5MA
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Hello We need to setup a local repository for Gentoo, to serve the needs of our Academic institution IIT Delhi, India. Please tell me where can we request the access to the master repository for setting up the Gentoo repository in our institution. -- Abhishek 3rd Year, CSE, IIT Delhi http://abhishekgupta92.info
Re: [gentoo-user] portage-2.2.0_alpha38 --depclean
Apparently, though unproven, at 23:39 on Tuesday 07 June 2011, Mark Knecht did opine thusly: I have no problem with saying someone needs to understand what less does. less isn't important. It's just the example at hand today. The 'problem' that I'm trying to get closer to answering is how does anyone other than a Gentoo dev, assuming some reasonable amount of effort, know that less isn't called by some script somewhere during the init process? How does one come to understand that maybe less is just as import as python is to the emerge process? (and I know it isn't...) What I didn't like about this issue popping up yesterday is that it altered the idea that average users never touch anything in @system. Iin fact, TTBOMK I've never in 11 or 12 years of running Gentoo ever done an emerge -C on a @system package until this morning when I removed nano. OK, now we're tracking. In the specific case of less, the answer is self-evident - it isn't needed. A dev would just know that. More likely, he would assume he knows that. In the general case, they suck their thumbs and guess. Some think more than others before they guess, they should all do some basic tests to catch severe errors before committing changes and additions, and all of them rely on unstable users finding other oddities and bugs. flameeyes gave some hints and clues into how this works on his blog recently: http://blog.flameeyes.eu/2011/05/25/psa-packages-failing-to-install-with-new- openrc-based-stages-missing-users-and-groups It's specific to openrc, but if you follow his blog it's easy to read between the lines to see what he's getting at usually. I don't think I've ever met a dev that releases code any other way :-) None of the above is fact and all of it is my opinion but I do think I'm close to the mark. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] portage-2.2.0_alpha38 --depclean
On Tue, Jun 07, 2011 at 05:55:38AM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 2:10 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Latest portage-2.2.0_alpha38 has changed something with system set and depclean handling. It now shows this: !!! 'app-editors/nano' is part of your system profile. !!! Unmerging it may be damaging to your system. I saw the same thing here yesterday so I added nano less to my world file just so I could move on. Has anyone ever considered a virtual/app-editor ebuild, and letting vim/joe/nano/whatever satisfy it? -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org
Re: [gentoo-user] portage-2.2.0_alpha38 --depclean
On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 14:39:34 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: What I didn't like about this issue popping up yesterday is that it altered the idea that average users never touch anything in @system. Iin fact, TTBOMK I've never in 11 or 12 years of running Gentoo ever done an emerge -C on a @system package until this morning when I removed nano. That's the point though, nano is not a system package, it is not needed for Gentoo to be usable. You need an editor, but it does not have to be nano, that is simply the default if the user makes no other choice. Forcing nano into @system goes against the whole idea of using virtuals to specify required functionality, rather than requiring a specific program. -- Neil Bothwick 0 and 1. Now what could be so hard about that? signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user]
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 6:34 PM, Abhishek Gupta cs1090...@cse.iitd.ernet.in wrote: Hello We need to setup a local repository for Gentoo, to serve the needs of our Academic institution IIT Delhi, India. Please tell me where can we request the access to the master repository for setting up the Gentoo repository in our institution. -- Abhishek 3rd Year, CSE, IIT Delhi http://abhishekgupta92.info Hi Abhishek, This should help; http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/rsync.xml#doc_chap2 David
Re: [gentoo-user] portage-2.2.0_alpha38 --depclean
Apparently, though unproven, at 01:08 on Wednesday 08 June 2011, Walter Dnes
did opine thusly:
On Tue, Jun 07, 2011 at 05:55:38AM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 2:10 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
wrote:
Latest portage-2.2.0_alpha38 has changed something with system set and
depclean handling. It now shows this:
!!! 'app-editors/nano' is part of your system profile.
!!! Unmerging it may be damaging to your system.
I saw the same thing here yesterday so I added nano less to my world
file just so I could move on.
Has anyone ever considered a virtual/app-editor ebuild, and letting
vim/joe/nano/whatever satisfy it?
y'know, now that you mention it:
$ eix -e editor
[I] virtual/editor
Available versions: 0{tbz2}
Installed versions: 0{tbz2}(12:10:07 10/06/10)
Description: Virtual for editor
$ genlop -t editor
* virtual/editor
Mon Aug 4 02:31:59 2008 virtual/editor-0
merge time: 3 seconds.
I think the answer is Yes
:-)
the virtual satisfies something like 27 different editors
--
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] portage-2.2.0_alpha38 --depclean
Alan McKinnon wrote: OK, now we're tracking. In the specific case of less, the answer is self-evident - it isn't needed. A dev would just know that. More likely, he would assume he knows that. In the general case, they suck their thumbs and guess. Some think more than others before they guess, they should all do some basic tests to catch severe errors before committing changes and additions, and all of them rely on unstable users finding other oddities and bugs. flameeyes gave some hints and clues into how this works on his blog recently: http://blog.flameeyes.eu/2011/05/25/psa-packages-failing-to-install-with-new- openrc-based-stages-missing-users-and-groups It's specific to openrc, but if you follow his blog it's easy to read between the lines to see what he's getting at usually. I don't think I've ever met a dev that releases code any other way :-) None of the above is fact and all of it is my opinion but I do think I'm close to the mark. OK. This is todays version. These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild R *] sys-apps/portage-2.2.0_alpha38 USE=(ipc) less%* -build -doc -epydoc -python2 -python3 (-selinux) LINGUAS=-pl 810 kB [ebuild R] net-print/hplip-3.10.9-r1 USE=X hpcups kde libnotify parport (policykit) qt4 -acl% -doc -fax -hpijs -minimal -scanner -snmp -static-ppds (-udev-acl%) 21,307 kB So, they added a USE flag to get less back on track. Does that mean we can all remove it from world now? This is not just for me but for others as well. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] portage-2.2.0_alpha38 --depclean
Alan McKinnon wrote:
Apparently, though unproven, at 01:08 on Wednesday 08 June 2011, Walter Dnes
did opine thusly:
On Tue, Jun 07, 2011 at 05:55:38AM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 2:10 AM, Alan McKinnonalan.mckin...@gmail.com
wrote:
Latest portage-2.2.0_alpha38 has changed something with system set and
depclean handling. It now shows this:
!!! 'app-editors/nano' is part of your system profile.
!!! Unmerging it may be damaging to your system.
I saw the same thing here yesterday so I added nano less to my world
file just so I could move on.
Has anyone ever considered a virtual/app-editor ebuild, and letting
vim/joe/nano/whatever satisfy it?
y'know, now that you mention it:
$ eix -e editor
[I] virtual/editor
Available versions: 0{tbz2}
Installed versions: 0{tbz2}(12:10:07 10/06/10)
Description: Virtual for editor
$ genlop -t editor
* virtual/editor
Mon Aug 4 02:31:59 2008 virtual/editor-0
merge time: 3 seconds.
I think the answer is Yes
:-)
the virtual satisfies something like 27 different editors
Then why didn't they do it that way? Require a editor but let the user
pick which one and it be part of the system set. Maybe I am missing
something here. It wouldn't be the first time. ;-)
Dale
:-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] portage-2.2.0_alpha38 --depclean
Apparently, though unproven, at 02:03 on Wednesday 08 June 2011, Dale did
opine thusly:
Alan McKinnon wrote:
Apparently, though unproven, at 01:08 on Wednesday 08 June 2011, Walter
Dnes
did opine thusly:
On Tue, Jun 07, 2011 at 05:55:38AM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 2:10 AM, Alan McKinnonalan.mckin...@gmail.com
wrote:
Latest portage-2.2.0_alpha38 has changed something with system set and
depclean handling. It now shows this:
!!! 'app-editors/nano' is part of your system profile.
!!! Unmerging it may be damaging to your system.
I saw the same thing here yesterday so I added nano less to my world
file just so I could move on.
Has anyone ever considered a virtual/app-editor ebuild, and letting
vim/joe/nano/whatever satisfy it?
y'know, now that you mention it:
$ eix -e editor
[I] virtual/editor
Available versions: 0{tbz2}
Installed versions: 0{tbz2}(12:10:07 10/06/10)
Description: Virtual for editor
$ genlop -t editor
* virtual/editor
Mon Aug 4 02:31:59 2008 virtual/editor-0
merge time: 3 seconds.
I think the answer is Yes
:-)
the virtual satisfies something like 27 different editors
Then why didn't they do it that way? Require a editor but let the user
pick which one and it be part of the system set. Maybe I am missing
something here. It wouldn't be the first time. ;-)
Yes, you are missing something - what you say is exactly how they now do it.
Previously nano was explicitly in system - set by profile. Now it's the
virtual. iow, pick the one you want.
This change could only happen now as to do it Zac needed GLEP 37 satisfied
properly
--
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] portage-2.2.0_alpha38 --depclean
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 4:09 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 14:39:34 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: What I didn't like about this issue popping up yesterday is that it altered the idea that average users never touch anything in @system. Iin fact, TTBOMK I've never in 11 or 12 years of running Gentoo ever done an emerge -C on a @system package until this morning when I removed nano. That's the point though, nano is not a system package, it is not needed for Gentoo to be usable. You need an editor, but it does not have to be nano, that is simply the default if the user makes no other choice. Forcing nano into @system goes against the whole idea of using virtuals to specify required functionality, rather than requiring a specific program. That's what I thought until I moved to the kde profile, at which time it seems to about 80% of kde-meta became part of @system. Prior to switching to that profile I think @system as about 150 packages. Today it's 389: 2stable ~ # emerge -epv @system These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild R] sys-libs/zlib-1.2.5-r2 475 kB [ebuild R] virtual/libintl-0 0 kB SNIP [ebuild R] kde-base/kdesu-4.6.2 USE=handbook (-aqua) -debug (-kdeenablefinal) (-kdeprefix) 0 kB [ebuild R] kde-misc/polkit-kde-kcmodules-0.98_pre20101127 USE=(-aqua) -debug (-kdeenablefinal) 0 kB [ebuild R] kde-base/khelpcenter-4.6.2 USE=(-aqua) -debug (-kdeenablefinal) (-kdeprefix) 0 kB Total: 389 packages (9 new, 380 reinstalls), Size of downloads: 308,431 kB c2stable ~ # My thought at this point is that WRT @system the devs are doing something magic with Gentoo, taking it in some new direction which I don't understand yet, and because of that I'm likely to be confused for some time to come. The idea of a virtual seems very reasonable to me, but somehow it seems the implementation of it all just isn't as clear to me as it should be, and the onus is on me to go learn and not the devs to teach me. Cheers, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] portage-2.2.0_alpha38 --depclean
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 23:39 on Tuesday 07 June 2011, Mark Knecht did opine thusly: I have no problem with saying someone needs to understand what less does. less isn't important. It's just the example at hand today. The 'problem' that I'm trying to get closer to answering is how does anyone other than a Gentoo dev, assuming some reasonable amount of effort, know that less isn't called by some script somewhere during the init process? How does one come to understand that maybe less is just as import as python is to the emerge process? (and I know it isn't...) What I didn't like about this issue popping up yesterday is that it altered the idea that average users never touch anything in @system. Iin fact, TTBOMK I've never in 11 or 12 years of running Gentoo ever done an emerge -C on a @system package until this morning when I removed nano. OK, now we're tracking. Good. In the specific case of less, the answer is self-evident - it isn't needed. A dev would just know that. More likely, he would assume he knows that. In the general case, they suck their thumbs and guess. Some think more than others before they guess, they should all do some basic tests to catch severe errors before committing changes and additions, and all of them rely on unstable users finding other oddities and bugs. flameeyes gave some hints and clues into how this works on his blog recently: http://blog.flameeyes.eu/2011/05/25/psa-packages-failing-to-install-with-new- openrc-based-stages-missing-users-and-groups It's specific to openrc, but if you follow his blog it's easy to read between the lines to see what he's getting at usually. I don't think I've ever met a dev that releases code any other way :-) None of the above is fact and all of it is my opinion but I do think I'm close to the mark. Thanks for the link. It looks interesting. Cheers, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] portage-2.2.0_alpha38 --depclean
Mark Knecht wrote: That's what I thought until I moved to the kde profile, at which time it seems to about 80% of kde-meta became part of @system. Prior to switching to that profile I think @system as about 150 packages. Today it's 389: 2stable ~ # emerge -epv @system These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild R] sys-libs/zlib-1.2.5-r2 475 kB [ebuild R] virtual/libintl-0 0 kB SNIP [ebuild R] kde-base/kdesu-4.6.2 USE=handbook (-aqua) -debug (-kdeenablefinal) (-kdeprefix) 0 kB [ebuild R] kde-misc/polkit-kde-kcmodules-0.98_pre20101127 USE=(-aqua) -debug (-kdeenablefinal) 0 kB [ebuild R] kde-base/khelpcenter-4.6.2 USE=(-aqua) -debug (-kdeenablefinal) (-kdeprefix) 0 kB Total: 389 packages (9 new, 380 reinstalls), Size of downloads: 308,431 kB c2stable ~ # My thought at this point is that WRT @system the devs are doing something magic with Gentoo, taking it in some new direction which I don't understand yet, and because of that I'm likely to be confused for some time to come. The idea of a virtual seems very reasonable to me, but somehow it seems the implementation of it all just isn't as clear to me as it should be, and the onus is on me to go learn and not the devs to teach me. Cheers, Mark I complained about KDE stuff being in the system set long ago. It is because of USE flags that they are being pulled in. I don't like the idea but if you, or a dev, disables all the USE flags that pulls in KDE, us KDE users are going to have things breaking left and right. It seemed to have gotten worse when hal bit the dust. At that point udev and other system tools picked up the slack and KDE got pulled into system. That's my theory at least. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] portage-2.2.0_alpha38 --depclean
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Mark Knecht wrote: That's what I thought until I moved to the kde profile, at which time it seems to about 80% of kde-meta became part of @system. SNIP I complained about KDE stuff being in the system set long ago. It is because of USE flags that they are being pulled in. I don't like the idea but if you, or a dev, disables all the USE flags that pulls in KDE, us KDE users are going to have things breaking left and right. It seemed to have gotten worse when hal bit the dust. At that point udev and other system tools picked up the slack and KDE got pulled into system. That's my theory at least. I exaggerated. The number of kde packages pulled in on my compute server right now is about 10, so it's not as bad as I remember. - Mark
[gentoo-user] IPv6 not ready here; Hmmm
Howdy, I got a link to this: http://www.worldipv6day.org/ From there, there is a link to test whether the new IPv6 works on my system and between me and the reat of the world. It appears I am not ready. It complained about the DNS server for the most part. Funny thing is, I use googles DNS servers. 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 are the settings. I find it ironic that Google is one of the ones hosting this event and it appears their server is not ready. Makes me think. Dale scratches chin a bit Should I have the USE flag ipv6 enabled or should I leave it off for now? If so, anyone had any trouble with it or is this a trivial change? Thanks much. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] IPv6 not ready here; Hmmm
Dale wrote: Howdy, I got a link to this: http://www.worldipv6day.org/ From there, there is a link to test whether the new IPv6 works on my system and between me and the reat of the world. It appears I am not ready. It complained about the DNS server for the most part. Funny thing is, I use googles DNS servers. 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 are the settings. I find it ironic that Google is one of the ones hosting this event and it appears their server is not ready. Makes me think. Dale scratches chin a bit Should I have the USE flag ipv6 enabled or should I leave it off for now? If so, anyone had any trouble with it or is this a trivial change? Thanks much. Dale :-) :-) Actually, it is enabled already. Here is its complaint list: Test with IPv6 DNS record bad (0.261s) Test IPv6 without DNS bad (0.003s) Test IPv6 large packet bad (0.238s) Test if your ISP's DNS server uses IPv6 timeout (15.014s) Is there anything I need to change here to get everything ready or is it beyond our control anyway? Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] portage-2.2.0_alpha38 --depclean
Mark Knecht wrote: On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Mark Knecht wrote: That's what I thought until I moved to the kde profile, at which time it seems to about 80% of kde-meta became part of @system. SNIP I complained about KDE stuff being in the system set long ago. It is because of USE flags that they are being pulled in. I don't like the idea but if you, or a dev, disables all the USE flags that pulls in KDE, us KDE users are going to have things breaking left and right. It seemed to have gotten worse when hal bit the dust. At that point udev and other system tools picked up the slack and KDE got pulled into system. That's my theory at least. I exaggerated. The number of kde packages pulled in on my compute server right now is about 10, so it's not as bad as I remember. - Mark On mine, kdelibs is one of those, or was last I checked. It seemed to me that the ones that were in there were the larger ones. What next, OOo will be part of system too? Let's not go there, yet. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] IPv6 not ready here; Hmmm
Actually, it is enabled already. Here is its complaint list: Test with IPv6 DNS record bad (0.261s) Works for me (asking for v6 record using v4 transport). I dont have v6 transport. /home/adam$ host -t www.google.com www.google.com is an alias for www.l.google.com. www.l.google.com has IPv6 address 2404:6800:4006:802::1010
Re: [gentoo-user] IPv6 not ready here; Hmmm
On Wednesday 08 Jun 2011 03:18:47 Adam Carter wrote: Actually, it is enabled already. Here is its complaint list: Test with IPv6 DNS record bad (0.261s) Works for me (asking for v6 record using v4 transport). I dont have v6 transport. /home/adam$ host -t www.google.com www.google.com is an alias for www.l.google.com. www.l.google.com has IPv6 address 2404:6800:4006:802::1010 Most/all domestic routers do not do ipv6 yet, or ipv6 in ipv4 tunnelling. This means that you may need to terminate the tunnel at your PC and use your PC as the router for ipv6 thereafter in your LAN. All this assumes that your ISP is offering ipv6 in the first place. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
