Re: [gentoo-user] --depclean and sys-devel/gcc
On 08/09/2018 10:49 PM, allan gottlieb wrote: > I run a stable system so am surprised to see that eix reports > I have gcc version ~7.3.0-r3 installed. (gcc-config -l reports > that stable x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-6.4.0 is the active compiler) > > More surprising is that >emerge --depclean --pretend sys-devel/gcc > wants to remove everything *except* the testing/nonstable 7.3.0-r3 > gcc-7.3.0-r3 is stable, you probably updated your ::gentoo repository without updating eix. Run eix-update and check again.
Re: [gentoo-user] Backup questions
On 10/08/18 10:46, Dale wrote: > Wols Lists wrote: >> On 08/08/18 04:43, Dale wrote: >>> Howdy, >>> >>> I just bought two external drive enclosures. One is sort of a spare but >>> >>> It has power. I'm not sure where I'd put a fridge, even a tiny one. I >>> wish it was twice as big as it is. Of course, I'd fill that up in no >>> time too. Isn't that the way it works? ROFL >>> >>> I'm getting interesting ideas tho. Pondering that backup software >>> option too. It has its pluses. ;-) >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Dale >>> >>> :-) :-) >>> I would think the cost of setting it up and running a fridge would add up to hard drive cost over a couple of years anyway (at least for what we pay in Western Australia :) In a humid environment you would need to be very careful of condensation, and a sealed system will still need a way to transfer the heat as if the cooling fails, it will cook itself very fast I have the fans set to spin up faster at 35c and above. Without the fans they sit around 45c on a typical day and use. I have found that in an enclosure its just as important to have good conduction of heat (disks mounted to the metal frame) and clear the heated air out of the enclosure as flowing air over the disks. Here it gets to 40c+ (>100F) and sometimes humid (not far from the ocean). Cooling is fans only, and I have 4 WD Green, 2 WD red and two seagates (all 2G, in 2x btrfs raid 10) and a few intel and samsung SSD's (for bcache and system disks) that run ~16 hrs a day with no failures for the last few years (~10). Sometimes its better to play the odds. BillK
[gentoo-user] --depclean and sys-devel/gcc
I run a stable system so am surprised to see that eix reports I have gcc version ~7.3.0-r3 installed. (gcc-config -l reports that stable x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-6.4.0 is the active compiler) More surprising is that emerge --depclean --pretend sys-devel/gcc wants to remove everything *except* the testing/nonstable 7.3.0-r3 grep -r gcc /etc/portage has no hits. @system and several installed packages require gcc but all would be satisfied by stable 6.4.0-r1 my active compiler # emerge --depclean --verbose --pretend sys-devel/gcc Calculating dependencies... done! sys-devel/gcc-7.3.0-r3 pulled in by: @system requires sys-devel/gcc dev-java/icedtea-bin-3.6.0 requires >=sys-devel/gcc-5.4.0 net-libs/webkit-gtk-2.20.4 requires >=sys-devel/gcc-4.9 sys-devel/llvm-4.0.1-r1 requires >=sys-devel/gcc-3.0 sys-devel/llvm-5.0.2 requires >=sys-devel/gcc-3.0 sys-devel/llvm-6.0.1 requires >=sys-devel/gcc-3.0 sys-libs/glibc-2.26-r7 requires >=sys-devel/gcc-4.9 >>> These are the packages that would be unmerged: sys-devel/gcc selected: 4.9.3 4.9.4 5.4.0-r3 6.4.0-r1 protected: none omitted: 7.3.0-r3 Am I supposed to emerge --unmerge =sys-devel/gcc-7.3.0-r3 ? thanks in advance, allan PS I moved some months ago to the 17.0 profile and did the make --emptytree @world
Re: [gentoo-user] Backup questions
Wols Lists wrote: > On 08/08/18 04:43, Dale wrote: >> Howdy, >> >> I just bought two external drive enclosures. One is sort of a spare but >> I do plan to do some backups on it, mostly pictures from my camera. In >> one of the enclosures I put a single 6TB drive that I found on ebay. It >> has about 7,000 hours on it so it should have some life left yet and it >> passed the smartctl tests. It is USB but it transfers fast. Now to >> some questions. I use rsync. Command looks something like rsync -auv >> /source/ /destination/. If I backup the config files in my home >> directory, should I also include the --delete option? If after a >> upgrade for example a config file is deleted, because it is no longer >> needed, or renamed, should the old file be removed or is there a reason >> to keep them on the backups? Adding the --delete option isn't a problem >> command wise BUT I wonder if it can cause a problem at some point. >> Thoughts on that. I plan to use the --delete option for videos since if >> I deleted one, it is likely broken or something. Biggest question is >> about config files. >> > May I suggest using btrfs for your backup drive? One MAJOR caveat - DO > NOT let the drive fill up - a combination of snapshots and drive-full > has been known (quite often) to trash the file system. But provided you > make sure it doesn't go above about 80% you should be fine. > > You can add an option to rsync such that it will back up "in place". In > other words, if only 1K is changed in a 1M file, it will overwrite that > 1K. So when you back up, the procedure is to take a snapshot, then run > rsync with both "in place" and "delete". > > This will give you the space economy of incremental backups, combined > with the utility of full backups - each snapshot is a full backup as of > that date, but each new snapshot only increases disk usage by the > changes since the last. And you reclaim space by deleting old snapshots. > I did think about btrfs. I've read a lot of threads on here about people using it and it seems to have come a long ways and be pretty stable. Right now, I've got a lot going on and really don't have the time to sit down and read up on it and how it works or what all it can do. In all honesty, if my system were to crash later when I don't have so much going on, I'd like to move to btrfs for as much as possible of my system. I suspect /boot would still have to be ext2 or something because of grub. >> On the second enclosure I currently have a 160GB drive. It's big enough >> for my camera pictures. I would like to backup up my pics to it and >> then put the drive somewhere besides in the house. I have a couple >> external buildings that would be safe as far as rain etc but they are >> not cooled, even tho it gets close to 100F and humid, real humid, here. >> My question is this. Is it safe to store a drive in that sort of >> environment? I could see the building getting close to outside temps >> during the day. I do put a heater in it to prevent freezing during the >> winter. I usually set the heat to 40F. I'm hoping someone has some >> real world experience on storing in this sort of environment and not >> just a text book theory. One reason I want to put them elsewhere, house >> fire. Even a huge power strike could cause problems if plugged in. We >> do get lightening strikes here. Maybe not as many as some but our fair >> share. The 6TB and 3TB drive may join this one as well. >> > A drive that's shut down will take more mistreatment than one that is > running. So no worries on that score. Plus heat causes far less problems > than people think, although yes it's best avoided. > > Do your outbuildings have power? Do you have a fridge (or possibly > freezer) out there, or could you find an excuse for one - a wine-store > maybe :-) What you really want is some form of insulation that will > prevent rapid fluctuations in temperature, and sticking your drives (in > sealed bags) in a wine fridge would probably be near ideal. I had a > cellar for my wine, and daily fluctuations were near nil even though > there was a maybe 20C variation between summer and winter. That's what > you want to aim for. Or maybe if you can dig a mini-cellar in one of > your outbuildings :-) > > Cheers, > Wol > I've read the labels in the past. They can handle more when not powered up so you are right there. I was just curious if someone had real world experience with such conditions. The past several days it has been pretty hot and humid here. If I think about it, I'll try to go to the building and take some temps and check the humidity. I think I have a humidity meter out there, it's with the temp meter I think. I know in the past I've seen it be over 90F in there. For what is usually stored in there, I don't worry about heat as much as I do cold. Some things in there can't freeze. The drives are what makes me consider the heat. I do have some foam coolers I could put them in. I
Re: [gentoo-user] Backup questions
Bill Kenworthy wrote: > On 08/08/18 11:43, Dale wrote: >> Howdy, >> >> Long story short that leads up to my questions, I paid off some debt. >> > Hi Dale, > > what you are talking about is not a real backup but a single copy of > your data that may or may not be complete (the delete option you > mention) at a single point in time - not quite as useful as a proper > versioned backup. Whatever your choice, also look at the restore > procedure - very important. > > > Have a look at Dirvish or borgbackup (both in portage) for what they can > do. Having a space efficient store at regular points of time is a > lifesaver at times. To restore from dirvish its a copy from the selected > tree. With borg its either restore with a command, or mount it and copy > the data out of the mount. > > http://dirvish.org/ > > https://www.borgbackup.org/ > > I moved from dirvish to borg 12 months ago and they are both excellent. > > BillK > It's a backup to me. I may not be using backup software but if I lose the original file, I have another copy that I can back up from. Given that I have two drives that can currently hold the files I don't want to lose for sure, I have two backup copies. Whether it is called a backup or called a copy doesn't matter. All that matters is that if my drive should fail, my computer blows up, my house burns down or any number of other possibilities, I can restore the files if needed. Whether it is a technical backup or a copy ends the same way. Maybe calling it a copy is better. :-) Maybe I'm to old school. lol I will look into those software options tho. Right now I have the rsync commands to backup a few directories in a script. It's not fancy but basically one copies my camera pics, one copies my videos and the last one copies my email directory. In all honesty, if I have those three things, everything else can be reinstalled or be reconfigured. I'm not trying or even planning to copy/backup the OS itself. If something happened and I had to rebuild or redo my system, I'd do a fresh install anyway. Having the config files would be nice but only IF it wouldn't cause more problems than it solves. That was the reason for my question about using --delete on config files. I tend to backup/copy the files in /etc until I reboot then I start a new set. That way if I run into a problem, I can either use the old file in whole or take parts of it until I get whatever working again. I haven't ran into that problem in a really long time tho. I can't recall the last time I do to be honest. It's been years, many years. I'm not sure on the config files in my home directory tho. I know KDE does some weird things during some major upgrades. As for restore, easy, rsync the files back over. Even if the permissions are messed up, I can fix that easy enough. Other than that, I'm not sure what other problem I could run into. The biggest thing, having a copy I can use if I lose the originals. Also, with them being plain copies, I can take the drive to a friend or family member and plug the drive in to get to the videos, documents etc. No special software really needed. Heck, for the videos, I could watch them straight from the USB drive. Now to go check into those backup programs. Borg. Sounds Star Trekish to me, or was that Star Wars. ROFL Thanks much for the info. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] need files for older ebuild
On Thu, 09 Aug 2018 18:02:40 -0400, Jack wrote: > > On 08/09/2018 04:57 AM, John Covici wrote: > > Hi. I need to compile gnome-control-center-3.24.3 as 24.4 will not > > compile (filed a bug, but no response). I have saved the old ebuild, > > but it needs something in the files subdirectory and I don't have it > > and it was deleted some time ago. I am using git and I wonder if its > > somehow obtainable from there or from some other location. I need > > this to resolve preserved-lib problem. > > > > Thanks in advance for any suggestions. > Since you are using git, you should just be able to checkout the > commit prior to the one which removed the needed file(s). "git > log" should give you enough in formation to identify the target > commit - find the commit which removed the file, then select the > next older one, which is the next one in the log. > This is what I was thinking, but I thought there might something on the web which had this kind of stuff. Thanks. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici wb2una cov...@ccs.covici.com
Re: [gentoo-user] need files for older ebuild
On 08/09/2018 04:57 AM, John Covici wrote: Hi. I need to compile gnome-control-center-3.24.3 as 24.4 will not compile (filed a bug, but no response). I have saved the old ebuild, but it needs something in the files subdirectory and I don't have it and it was deleted some time ago. I am using git and I wonder if its somehow obtainable from there or from some other location. I need this to resolve preserved-lib problem. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. Since you are using git, you should just be able to checkout the commit prior to the one which removed the needed file(s). "git log" should give you enough in formation to identify the target commit - find the commit which removed the file, then select the next older one, which is the next one in the log.
Re: [gentoo-user] The memory gremlin
On 10/08/18 02:00, Mick wrote: > On Thursday, 9 August 2018 17:32:33 BST Alan Grimes wrote: >> [resend, list was down...] >> >> I've been meditating on the memory gremlin on my system... >> >> The ram is Corsair, 3000mhz. (never had any problem with their sticks in >> any system ever.) >> >> Motherboard is an early release mini-ATX B350 board from Asus... >> >> Chip is a R7 1800X >> >> The pattern is: all cells test good on memcheck but occasionally there >> is a bit error somewhere. I think it is a signaling issue between the >> ram module and the memory interface in the cpu. >> >> After meditating on it, I don't think there's anything I can do about it >> given the STUPID settings the BIOS goes to... The problem with the BIOS >> is that it considers only what the RAM tells it, it does not take into >> account that the CPU is rated at 2667mhz... Well there's the answer, >> this is AMD's first product with DDR4 support, and it's not super >> awesome so simply acknowledging the limitation there, and setting the >> memory interface to 2666 (which is what the BIOS offers), it won't be >> super fast but it damn well should work. =| > Keep an eye on MoBo firmware updates, Asus are usually OK in providing > updates > to stabilise their chipsets, as long as the bugs are fixable in software. > > Also, if the BIOS offers DRAM timing settings increase the latency a notch > and > see if that helps. > If you can locate it to a location range, you can use a kernel argument to exclude that area of memory. The hard part is to map the range. Had one system running that way for years. BillK
Re: [gentoo-user] The memory gremlin
On Thursday, 9 August 2018 17:32:33 BST Alan Grimes wrote: > [resend, list was down...] > > I've been meditating on the memory gremlin on my system... > > The ram is Corsair, 3000mhz. (never had any problem with their sticks in > any system ever.) > > Motherboard is an early release mini-ATX B350 board from Asus... > > Chip is a R7 1800X > > The pattern is: all cells test good on memcheck but occasionally there > is a bit error somewhere. I think it is a signaling issue between the > ram module and the memory interface in the cpu. > > After meditating on it, I don't think there's anything I can do about it > given the STUPID settings the BIOS goes to... The problem with the BIOS > is that it considers only what the RAM tells it, it does not take into > account that the CPU is rated at 2667mhz... Well there's the answer, > this is AMD's first product with DDR4 support, and it's not super > awesome so simply acknowledging the limitation there, and setting the > memory interface to 2666 (which is what the BIOS offers), it won't be > super fast but it damn well should work. =| Keep an eye on MoBo firmware updates, Asus are usually OK in providing updates to stabilise their chipsets, as long as the bugs are fixable in software. Also, if the BIOS offers DRAM timing settings increase the latency a notch and see if that helps. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge completly a package but dont install it?
On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 1:28 PM wrote: > > On 08/09 09:48, Mateusz Lenik wrote: > > Turns out emerge has this nice flag (excerpt from emerge(1) manpage): > > > > --buildpkgonly, -B > > Creates binary packages for all ebuilds processed without > > actually merging the packages. This comes with the caveat that all > > build-time dependencies must already be emerged on the system. > > > > thanks a lot for the info...I hadn't thought it would be THAT easy! :) I stole this script from somebody else on one of the lists. Stick it in your crontab after a sync and you'll find your daily updates go a lot faster: https://github.com/rich0/rich0-gentoo-scripts/blob/master/buildupdates Obviously set the flags at the start of the script to suit your taste. It basically uses this flag to build binary packages of anything it can (can only do one level of deps obviously). When you look at your packages to update, and see chromium in there, and it takes 30 seconds to install because it was built overnight, you'll thank whoever wrote it... -- Rich
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge completly a package but dont install it?
On 08/09 09:48, Mateusz Lenik wrote: > Turns out emerge has this nice flag (excerpt from emerge(1) manpage): > > --buildpkgonly, -B > Creates binary packages for all ebuilds processed without > actually merging the packages. This comes with the caveat that all > build-time dependencies must already be emerged on the system. > > Best, > mlen > > On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 9:29 AM Andreas Fink wrote: > > > On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 19:12:37 +0200 > > tu...@posteo.de wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > is it possible to go through process of installing a not-installed > > > package from source to executable ... without actually install the > > > package - so the system as such is not touched? > > > > > > Cheers > > > Meino > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can use ebuild for that. The commands to build without merging > > would be > > ebuild /usr/portage/my-package/my-ebuild-file.ebuild install > > > > This will download, unpack, build, and install the package into your > > temporary portage build directory (usually /var/tmp/portage). It will > > not resolve any dependencies though, this has to be done beforehand. > > > > The temporary install directory is called "image" in the temporary > > directory. > > > > You can also go through the whole process step by step, > > ebuild /usr/portage/my-package/my-ebuild-file.ebuild unpack > > ebuild /usr/portage/my-package/my-ebuild-file.ebuild compile > > ebuild /usr/portage/my-package/my-ebuild-file.ebuild install > > ebuild /usr/portage/my-package/my-ebuild-file.ebuild qmerge > > ebuild /usr/portage/my-package/my-ebuild-file.ebuild clean > > > > the qmerge command will install it into your system, so this is the > > step, that you do not want to execute ;) > > > > Cheers > > Andreas > > > > Hi, thanks a lot for the info...I hadn't thought it would be THAT easy! :) Cheers! Meino
Re: [gentoo-user] Backup questions
On 08/08/18 04:43, Dale wrote: > Howdy, > > > I just bought two external drive enclosures. One is sort of a spare but > I do plan to do some backups on it, mostly pictures from my camera. In > one of the enclosures I put a single 6TB drive that I found on ebay. It > has about 7,000 hours on it so it should have some life left yet and it > passed the smartctl tests. It is USB but it transfers fast. Now to > some questions. I use rsync. Command looks something like rsync -auv > /source/ /destination/. If I backup the config files in my home > directory, should I also include the --delete option? If after a > upgrade for example a config file is deleted, because it is no longer > needed, or renamed, should the old file be removed or is there a reason > to keep them on the backups? Adding the --delete option isn't a problem > command wise BUT I wonder if it can cause a problem at some point. > Thoughts on that. I plan to use the --delete option for videos since if > I deleted one, it is likely broken or something. Biggest question is > about config files. > May I suggest using btrfs for your backup drive? One MAJOR caveat - DO NOT let the drive fill up - a combination of snapshots and drive-full has been known (quite often) to trash the file system. But provided you make sure it doesn't go above about 80% you should be fine. You can add an option to rsync such that it will back up "in place". In other words, if only 1K is changed in a 1M file, it will overwrite that 1K. So when you back up, the procedure is to take a snapshot, then run rsync with both "in place" and "delete". This will give you the space economy of incremental backups, combined with the utility of full backups - each snapshot is a full backup as of that date, but each new snapshot only increases disk usage by the changes since the last. And you reclaim space by deleting old snapshots. > On the second enclosure I currently have a 160GB drive. It's big enough > for my camera pictures. I would like to backup up my pics to it and > then put the drive somewhere besides in the house. I have a couple > external buildings that would be safe as far as rain etc but they are > not cooled, even tho it gets close to 100F and humid, real humid, here. > My question is this. Is it safe to store a drive in that sort of > environment? I could see the building getting close to outside temps > during the day. I do put a heater in it to prevent freezing during the > winter. I usually set the heat to 40F. I'm hoping someone has some > real world experience on storing in this sort of environment and not > just a text book theory. One reason I want to put them elsewhere, house > fire. Even a huge power strike could cause problems if plugged in. We > do get lightening strikes here. Maybe not as many as some but our fair > share. The 6TB and 3TB drive may join this one as well. > A drive that's shut down will take more mistreatment than one that is running. So no worries on that score. Plus heat causes far less problems than people think, although yes it's best avoided. Do your outbuildings have power? Do you have a fridge (or possibly freezer) out there, or could you find an excuse for one - a wine-store maybe :-) What you really want is some form of insulation that will prevent rapid fluctuations in temperature, and sticking your drives (in sealed bags) in a wine fridge would probably be near ideal. I had a cellar for my wine, and daily fluctuations were near nil even though there was a maybe 20C variation between summer and winter. That's what you want to aim for. Or maybe if you can dig a mini-cellar in one of your outbuildings :-) Cheers, Wol
[gentoo-user] The memory gremlin
[resend, list was down...] I've been meditating on the memory gremlin on my system... The ram is Corsair, 3000mhz. (never had any problem with their sticks in any system ever.) Motherboard is an early release mini-ATX B350 board from Asus... Chip is a R7 1800X The pattern is: all cells test good on memcheck but occasionally there is a bit error somewhere. I think it is a signaling issue between the ram module and the memory interface in the cpu. After meditating on it, I don't think there's anything I can do about it given the STUPID settings the BIOS goes to... The problem with the BIOS is that it considers only what the RAM tells it, it does not take into account that the CPU is rated at 2667mhz... Well there's the answer, this is AMD's first product with DDR4 support, and it's not super awesome so simply acknowledging the limitation there, and setting the memory interface to 2666 (which is what the BIOS offers), it won't be super fast but it damn well should work. =| -- Please report bounces from this address to a...@numentics.com Powers are not rights.
Re: [gentoo-user] Backup questions
On Thursday, 9 August 2018 09:18:43 BST Bill Kenworthy wrote: > On 08/08/18 11:43, Dale wrote: > > Howdy, > > > > Long story short that leads up to my questions, I paid off some debt. > > Hi Dale, > > what you are talking about is not a real backup but a single copy of > your data that may or may not be complete (the delete option you > mention) at a single point in time - not quite as useful as a proper > versioned backup. Whatever your choice, also look at the restore > procedure - very important. Well, a static mirror is a full backup at that point in time. If the backed up data changes little over time, it is a valid backup, which can prove its worth if/when the original drive dies, or files are deleted accidentally on the original. On the points Dale raised: The --delete option will remove from the destination any files which no longer exist on the source. So if you delete photo-1 on the source and then run rsync, photo-1 *will* be deleted from the full back up, to mirror what is currently available on the source directory. Here is where incremental/differential backup strategies can be of use, in case some time in the relatively near future you change your mind and wish you never had deleted that old photo-1. The same may apply to user config files, if you stop using an application, manually clean/delete its config files from your home and rsync --delete thereafter. If in the near future you review your position and decide you wanted that application after all and the 2 weeks you had spent configuring it would be of use again, with the --delete option your config files will be gone from the backup. So, use --delete judiciously. rsync can on its own provide you with incremental and differential backups, using hard links to the full backup directory, so as to avoid duplication and minimise storage space usage. This means that incremental backups take only a fraction of the space and additional disks or enclosures may be redundant. Take a look at the --backup, --backup-dir, and --link-dest, options. As others have posted there are a number of applications which use rsync as a back end and have scripted with config files its options. There's also quite a number of bash scripts on the interwebs offering a starting point if you prefer to hack your own. With regards to heat and humidity I suggest you take a look at the manufacturer's specifications, both for the enclosure and for the drives. Invariably environmental thresholds are printed on labels on the devices themselves, or you could google using the part numbers off them. HTH. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] libmysqlclient.so segfault
On 08/09/18 01:26, John Covici wrote: > > I had to re-emerge dev-perl/DBD-mysql and things now work again. I am > using mysql, so I hope this works for you. > Thanks, this fixed it. Dan
Re: [gentoo-user] Thunderbird 60
On 08/09/18 07:37, Adam Carter wrote: > Anyone early tested Thunderbird-60? > > > Yes, the mozilla overlay has it. Works. Is this the access you refer to? https://gitweb.gentoo.org/proj/mozilla.git
Re: [gentoo-user] Thunderbird 60
> > Anyone early tested Thunderbird-60? > Yes, the mozilla overlay has it. Works.
[gentoo-user] need files for older ebuild
Hi. I need to compile gnome-control-center-3.24.3 as 24.4 will not compile (filed a bug, but no response). I have saved the old ebuild, but it needs something in the files subdirectory and I don't have it and it was deleted some time ago. I am using git and I wonder if its somehow obtainable from there or from some other location. I need this to resolve preserved-lib problem. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici wb2una cov...@ccs.covici.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Backup questions
În ziua de joi, 9 august 2018, la 11:37:38 EEST, Neil Bothwick a scris: > I agree with all of this and I would also add Duplicity as a possible > candidate, although not quite as simple to use as BorgBackup (I haven't > tried Dirvish) I usually end up putting a wrapper script around such tasks > anyway. I've been using Duplicity in production for a few years. I find its features quite better than borgbackup. However, it has one very annoying design problem: the local cache. In my case, doing daily backups for two years for ~200GB of data requires a growing and growing local cache. It's 50GB as of now. You delete the cache and it comes back when doing the next incremental backup.
Re: [gentoo-user] Backup questions
On Thu, 9 Aug 2018 16:18:43 +0800, Bill Kenworthy wrote: > Have a look at Dirvish or borgbackup (both in portage) for what they can > do. Having a space efficient store at regular points of time is a > lifesaver at times. To restore from dirvish its a copy from the selected > tree. With borg its either restore with a command, or mount it and copy > the data out of the mount. I agree with all of this and I would also add Duplicity as a possible candidate, although not quite as simple to use as BorgBackup (I haven't tried Dirvish) I usually end up putting a wrapper script around such tasks anyway. If you have your offsite backups in another building, how will you get the backups there? If they are networked, great, but if it relies on you physically moving hard drives between locations, it won't be done when you need it. Cloud storage is cheap these days and most backup programs have an option to store encrypted data on an external service. I'm currently using a combination of Duplicity and Hubic for this. -- Neil Bothwick How do i find the model of my card? your nick is misleading, seriously pgpNsg4q9cWQ3.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] libmysqlclient.so segfault
On Wed, 08 Aug 2018 11:16:55 -0400, Daniel Frey wrote: > > Well, after updating a while ago I noticed a new package being pulled in > by mariadb - dev-db/mysql-connector-c. > > Ever since this update where it was pulled in (August 1) the mythtv > backup script written in perl fails (mythconverg_backup.pl). > > It is segfaulting, and I get an email indicating so. All dmesg reports is: > > [29233.819979] mythconverg_bac[4703]: segfault at d26bb8ca58 ip > 7f433dbc7319 sp 7ffd3ca8b160 error 4 in > libmysqlclient.so.18.4.0[7f433db89000+34a000] > [45297.590200] mythconverg_bac[10051]: segfault at f185283a68 ip > 7f749f50c319 sp 7fff71cf09e0 error 4 in > libmysqlclient.so.18.4.0[7f749f4ce000+34a000] > [45818.780364] mythconverg_bac[10094]: segfault at 762032bf28 ip > 7f7c3f9f0319 sp 7ffe32dfa190 error 4 in > libmysqlclient.so.18.4.0[7f7c3f9b2000+34a000] > > I've done some poking around and rebuilt this package to no avail. Has > anyone else using this found a solution? I had to re-emerge dev-perl/DBD-mysql and things now work again. I am using mysql, so I hope this works for you. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici wb2una cov...@ccs.covici.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Backup questions
On 08/08/18 11:43, Dale wrote: > Howdy, > > Long story short that leads up to my questions, I paid off some debt. > Hi Dale, what you are talking about is not a real backup but a single copy of your data that may or may not be complete (the delete option you mention) at a single point in time - not quite as useful as a proper versioned backup. Whatever your choice, also look at the restore procedure - very important. Have a look at Dirvish or borgbackup (both in portage) for what they can do. Having a space efficient store at regular points of time is a lifesaver at times. To restore from dirvish its a copy from the selected tree. With borg its either restore with a command, or mount it and copy the data out of the mount. http://dirvish.org/ https://www.borgbackup.org/ I moved from dirvish to borg 12 months ago and they are both excellent. BillK
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge completly a package but dont install it?
Turns out emerge has this nice flag (excerpt from emerge(1) manpage): --buildpkgonly, -B Creates binary packages for all ebuilds processed without actually merging the packages. This comes with the caveat that all build-time dependencies must already be emerged on the system. Best, mlen On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 9:29 AM Andreas Fink wrote: > On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 19:12:37 +0200 > tu...@posteo.de wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > is it possible to go through process of installing a not-installed > > package from source to executable ... without actually install the > > package - so the system as such is not touched? > > > > Cheers > > Meino > > > > > > > > You can use ebuild for that. The commands to build without merging > would be > ebuild /usr/portage/my-package/my-ebuild-file.ebuild install > > This will download, unpack, build, and install the package into your > temporary portage build directory (usually /var/tmp/portage). It will > not resolve any dependencies though, this has to be done beforehand. > > The temporary install directory is called "image" in the temporary > directory. > > You can also go through the whole process step by step, > ebuild /usr/portage/my-package/my-ebuild-file.ebuild unpack > ebuild /usr/portage/my-package/my-ebuild-file.ebuild compile > ebuild /usr/portage/my-package/my-ebuild-file.ebuild install > ebuild /usr/portage/my-package/my-ebuild-file.ebuild qmerge > ebuild /usr/portage/my-package/my-ebuild-file.ebuild clean > > the qmerge command will install it into your system, so this is the > step, that you do not want to execute ;) > > Cheers > Andreas > >
[gentoo-user] Backup questions
Howdy, Long story short that leads up to my questions, I paid off some debt. Finally I'm getting around to doing some things I been wanting to do. One of them, backups. I bought a hard drive enclosure that has a fan to keep things cool. Figured I would get a decent one that hopefully will keep my drives working. My relevant setup. I started with a 3TB hard drive for my /home directory, one partition, years ago. I stuck LVM on it so that I could add to or move things around a bit with some ease. Once that was starting to fill up, I bought a second 3TB drive and added it to the LVM volume. So, in effect, I have a 6TB drive with 3.6TB of data on it at the moment. The biggest user of that space is videos. I just bought two external drive enclosures. One is sort of a spare but I do plan to do some backups on it, mostly pictures from my camera. In one of the enclosures I put a single 6TB drive that I found on ebay. It has about 7,000 hours on it so it should have some life left yet and it passed the smartctl tests. It is USB but it transfers fast. Now to some questions. I use rsync. Command looks something like rsync -auv /source/ /destination/. If I backup the config files in my home directory, should I also include the --delete option? If after a upgrade for example a config file is deleted, because it is no longer needed, or renamed, should the old file be removed or is there a reason to keep them on the backups? Adding the --delete option isn't a problem command wise BUT I wonder if it can cause a problem at some point. Thoughts on that. I plan to use the --delete option for videos since if I deleted one, it is likely broken or something. Biggest question is about config files. On the second enclosure I currently have a 160GB drive. It's big enough for my camera pictures. I would like to backup up my pics to it and then put the drive somewhere besides in the house. I have a couple external buildings that would be safe as far as rain etc but they are not cooled, even tho it gets close to 100F and humid, real humid, here. My question is this. Is it safe to store a drive in that sort of environment? I could see the building getting close to outside temps during the day. I do put a heater in it to prevent freezing during the winter. I usually set the heat to 40F. I'm hoping someone has some real world experience on storing in this sort of environment and not just a text book theory. One reason I want to put them elsewhere, house fire. Even a huge power strike could cause problems if plugged in. We do get lightening strikes here. Maybe not as many as some but our fair share. The 6TB and 3TB drive may join this one as well. I have a 3TB drive on the way, got a good deal on it. I plan to remove the 160GB and put the 3TB drive in the enclosure when it gets here. Later, I will get another enclosure for the 160GB drive. In the end, I will have 6TB, 3TB and a 160GB external drive. Main backups on the 6TB, possible second backup on 3TB of some important files and camera pics on the 160GB. Anyone have some real world experience on these sorts of questions? Thanks. Dale :-) :-)
[gentoo-user] libmysqlclient.so segfault
Well, after updating a while ago I noticed a new package being pulled in by mariadb - dev-db/mysql-connector-c. Ever since this update where it was pulled in (August 1) the mythtv backup script written in perl fails (mythconverg_backup.pl). It is segfaulting, and I get an email indicating so. All dmesg reports is: [29233.819979] mythconverg_bac[4703]: segfault at d26bb8ca58 ip 7f433dbc7319 sp 7ffd3ca8b160 error 4 in libmysqlclient.so.18.4.0[7f433db89000+34a000] [45297.590200] mythconverg_bac[10051]: segfault at f185283a68 ip 7f749f50c319 sp 7fff71cf09e0 error 4 in libmysqlclient.so.18.4.0[7f749f4ce000+34a000] [45818.780364] mythconverg_bac[10094]: segfault at 762032bf28 ip 7f7c3f9f0319 sp 7ffe32dfa190 error 4 in libmysqlclient.so.18.4.0[7f7c3f9b2000+34a000] I've done some poking around and rebuilt this package to no avail. Has anyone else using this found a solution? Dan
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge completly a package but dont install it?
On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 19:12:37 +0200 tu...@posteo.de wrote: > Hi, > > is it possible to go through process of installing a not-installed > package from source to executable ... without actually install the > package - so the system as such is not touched? > > Cheers > Meino > > > You can use ebuild for that. The commands to build without merging would be ebuild /usr/portage/my-package/my-ebuild-file.ebuild install This will download, unpack, build, and install the package into your temporary portage build directory (usually /var/tmp/portage). It will not resolve any dependencies though, this has to be done beforehand. The temporary install directory is called "image" in the temporary directory. You can also go through the whole process step by step, ebuild /usr/portage/my-package/my-ebuild-file.ebuild unpack ebuild /usr/portage/my-package/my-ebuild-file.ebuild compile ebuild /usr/portage/my-package/my-ebuild-file.ebuild install ebuild /usr/portage/my-package/my-ebuild-file.ebuild qmerge ebuild /usr/portage/my-package/my-ebuild-file.ebuild clean the qmerge command will install it into your system, so this is the step, that you do not want to execute ;) Cheers Andreas
[gentoo-user] emerge completly a package but dont install it?
Hi, is it possible to go through process of installing a not-installed package from source to executable ... without actually install the package - so the system as such is not touched? Cheers Meino
