[gentoo-user] Re: Graphical usenet client - alternative to Knode
On 02/25/2010 11:45 PM, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: Am Dienstag 23 Februar 2010 schrieb Nikos Chantziaras: On 02/23/2010 01:39 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 02/23/2010 12:26 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:11:40 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: I'm on KDE4 but I use Thunderbird for both Usenet (including this mailing list through GMane's "mailing-list-to-Usenet" interface) and email. I like the simplicity and using only one app for both. Why are you passing the mail through a conversion gateway only to read it in a mail client? Wouldn't subscribing directly be even more simple? No, because then I would get all the mail in my inbox and I would be the one responsible for filtering it; a total waste on bandwidth and my time. GMane does that for me instead. Just to make my point more clear: http://i50.tinypic.com/15ow2g8.png OT: It occured to me that many, including you, have this awfully fuzzy font rendering. Aren’t you bothered by that? (Assuming you’re on a TFT). When I look at your image, my view starts floating on a plane in front of the screen. See http://i47.tinypic.com/1zxsbok.png No, actually I find it much better then the one in your screenshot. Much easier to read for me. I guess this is due to differences in our monitor's DPI. I can image that lower DPI monitors must show it pretty "zoomed-in" and therefore blurry. The fonts in your screenshot actually look like small, thin lines instead of proper fonts here. As you can see, I’m also using a mail client for those lists. At the beginning, I used my Uni’s news server, but at some point, I couldn’t post to this list anymore through NNTP. So I had to switch to mail interface. But even though local archiving works better with mails (articles are gone from the news server after a short while), I’d prefer the NNTP way though, it’s easier to view the list filtered (e.g. no ignored threads). For what it's worth, GMane's NNTP server never deletes messages. In the case of gentoo-user, everything's still there; the oldest posts date back to 2002.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Graphical usenet client - alternative to Knode
Am Dienstag 23 Februar 2010 schrieb Nikos Chantziaras: > On 02/23/2010 01:39 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > > On 02/23/2010 12:26 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > >> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:11:40 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > >>> I'm on KDE4 but I use Thunderbird for both Usenet (including this > >>> mailing list through GMane's "mailing-list-to-Usenet" interface) and > >>> email. I like the simplicity and using only one app for both. > >> > >> Why are you passing the mail through a conversion gateway only to read > >> it in a mail client? Wouldn't subscribing directly be even more simple? > > > > No, because then I would get all the mail in my inbox and I would be the > > one responsible for filtering it; a total waste on bandwidth and my > > time. GMane does that for me instead. > > Just to make my point more clear: > >http://i50.tinypic.com/15ow2g8.png OT: It occured to me that many, including you, have this awfully fuzzy font rendering. Aren’t you bothered by that? (Assuming you’re on a TFT). When I look at your image, my view starts floating on a plane in front of the screen. See http://i47.tinypic.com/1zxsbok.png As you can see, I’m also using a mail client for those lists. At the beginning, I used my Uni’s news server, but at some point, I couldn’t post to this list anymore through NNTP. So I had to switch to mail interface. But even though local archiving works better with mails (articles are gone from the news server after a short while), I’d prefer the NNTP way though, it’s easier to view the list filtered (e.g. no ignored threads). -- Gruß | Greetings | Qapla' - http://www.stud.tu-ilmenau.de/~frst-ii/ - EDOB Nicht von Staat und Konzernen ausschnüffeln lassen, E-Mails verschlüsseln! http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Privacy_Guard http://hp.kairaven.de/pgp/ Die USA haben den Weg von der Barbarei zur Dekadenz ohne den Umweg über die Kultur gewählt. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-user] Re: Graphical usenet client - alternative to Knode
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 05:42:25 + Stroller wrote: > I like Knode's simple 3-pane layout. Knode has improved visually > with the KDE4 release, but the much debated KDE4 dependencies thing. > > It has only just occurred to me today to ask if there's an > alternative that looks & acts just the same, but which isn't part of > the whole KDE4 environment. > > Any suggestions? I'll add Claws Mail (mail-client/claws-mail) to the list of suggestions. It does three panes by default and has a gtk interface. As you can probably guess from the name, it does e-mail also. -- »Q« Kleeneness is next to Gödelness.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Graphical usenet client - alternative to Knode
On Tuesday 23 February 2010 16:25:45 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > There might be better options out there, but it requires getting used > to those new options so they usually don't bother. That's me with cfg-update, conf-update etc. I got used to etc-update and I still use it because I know how to. -- Rgds Peter.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Graphical usenet client - alternative to Knode
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 22:32:54 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: > > And that all my mail is accessible from the same place, > > including mails I'd never put on a server owned by someone > > else. > > I guess I just have no interest in keeping archives of 50 > newsgroups/mailing-lists on a handful of different machines. Nor me, that's why it's all on one server. > Any "servers" I set up would be a lot less reliable and > accessible than those at either Gmane or my Usenet provider. Possible, but the connection between them and you may not. I need to keep some of my mails locally, not stored at an online service - as the server is already there and set up, it makes sense to use it for everything. For me, using an email-to-usenet gateway would actually mean more work. -- Neil Bothwick Two rights don't make a wrong, they make an airplane. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Re: Graphical usenet client - alternative to Knode
On 2010-02-23, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 18:33:56 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: > >>> No, I read them from a number of machines but using a single >>> server that handles all the filtering too. >> >> Same here -- the only difference between the two approaches is >> who's administering the server. You handle it yourself, I let >> gmane do it. :) > > The main difference is that mine still works when my Internet > connection is not available. I read the mailing lists from many different locations. I don't keep complete Usenet and mailing-list archives at all machines and locations. It doesn't really matter to me where the server is -- if I've no network access, I can't read Usenet or mailing lists. But, it's just not an issue. > And that all my mail is accessible from the same place, > including mails I'd never put on a server owned by someone > else. I guess I just have no interest in keeping archives of 50 newsgroups/mailing-lists on a handful of different machines. Any "servers" I set up would be a lot less reliable and accessible than those at either Gmane or my Usenet provider. -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! So this is what it at feels like to be potato visi.comsalad
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Graphical usenet client - alternative to Knode
On Tuesday 23 February 2010 22:06:04 Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote: > On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 09:22:10PM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > > On 02/23/2010 07:42 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > > >> [...] > > >> > > >> You got me with that one :) Just because I don't have this problem > > >> doesn't mean no else does either. > > > > > > You are permanently wired to the Internet? Don't you ever go out? :P > > > > I'm referring to the machine. It's always connected. Broadband > > flatrate ftw :P There's no point in ever disconnecting it. > > Someone obviously isn't a student with ridiculously expensive electricity. > ;-) Or an admin at a major ISP and *very* good friends with those who dish out the bandwidth A man must look after his friends in this world, and they will look after you :-) -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Graphical usenet client - alternative to Knode
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 09:22:10PM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 02/23/2010 07:42 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > >> [...] > >> You got me with that one :) Just because I don't have this problem > >> doesn't mean no else does either. > > > > You are permanently wired to the Internet? Don't you ever go out? :P > > I'm referring to the machine. It's always connected. Broadband > flatrate ftw :P There's no point in ever disconnecting it. > > Someone obviously isn't a student with ridiculously expensive electricity. ;-) -- Zeerak Waseem pgpNfccBhaicr.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Graphical usenet client - alternative to Knode
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 18:33:56 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: > > No, I read them from a number of machines but using a single > > server that handles all the filtering too. > > Same here -- the only difference between the two approaches is > who's administering the server. You handle it yourself, I let > gmane do it. :) The main difference is that mine still works when my Internet connection is not available. And that all my mail is accessible from the same place, including mails I'd never put on a server owned by someone else. -- Neil Bothwick The law of Probability Dispersal decrees that whatever it is that hits the fan will not be evenly distributed. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Re: Graphical usenet client - alternative to Knode
On 02/23/2010 07:42 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: [...] You got me with that one :) Just because I don't have this problem doesn't mean no else does either. You are permanently wired to the Internet? Don't you ever go out? :P I'm referring to the machine. It's always connected. Broadband flatrate ftw :P There's no point in ever disconnecting it.
[gentoo-user] Re: Graphical usenet client - alternative to Knode
On 2010-02-23, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:48:35 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: > >> I get the impression you always read the mailing lists on a >> single machine? I read Gmane's "lists" from 4-5 different >> machines and locations. Duplicating all that mail locally on >> all those machines would be a pain. > > No, I read them from a number of machines but using a single > server that handles all the filtering too. Same here -- the only difference between the two approaches is who's administering the server. You handle it yourself, I let gmane do it. :) -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! Of course, you at UNDERSTAND about the PLAIDS visi.comin the SPIN CYCLE --
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Graphical usenet client - alternative to Knode
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 18:25:45 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > > Which takes about ten seconds usually. > > 10 is more than 0 :D Not for large values of 0 :) > >> , need to unsubscribe when you don't want to receive email > >> anymore, > > > > Which takes about half that time, and both of these are infrequent > > occurrences. For lists that I had only a transient interest in, I > > would look at usenet versions. > > And when later you want to subscribe again... I'm not that indecisive... at least, I don't think I am ;-) > >> need hard disk space to store all the downloaded messages, > >> don't have access to messages from the time you weren't subscribed > >> yet, > > > > No, but I do have access to Google :) > > Yes, but this requires to go to Google. I have the messages right > there in front of me. What, all of them? You still need to search for old messages and if they predate your subscribing you are only searching for specific information, not particular threads. Or are you referring to backtracking a thread you joined midway through? For that, online archives are useful. > No, that wasn't my intention. All I'm saying in the end is that people > stick to the ways they are used to do their tasks. There might be > better options out there, but it requires getting used to those new > options so they usually don't bother. I just though I'd mention the > stuff here so people actually know the option exists and has saved me > from quite some annoyances I had to deal with in the past. Fair enough. > > How do you read messages without an Internet connection? > > > > Everything has pros and cons. > > You got me with that one :) Just because I don't have this problem > doesn't mean no else does either. You are permanently wired to the Internet? Don't you ever go out? :P -- Neil Bothwick Windows to CPU: Don't rush me, don't rush me... signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Graphical usenet client - alternative to Knode
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:48:35 + (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote: > I get the impression you always read the mailing lists on a > single machine? I read Gmane's "lists" from 4-5 different > machines and locations. Duplicating all that mail locally on > all those machines would be a pain. No, I read them from a number of machines but using a single server that handles all the filtering too. -- Neil Bothwick Theory is when you know everything, but nothing works. Reality is when everything works, but you don't know why. However, usually theory and reality are mixed together : Nothing works, and nobody knows why not. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Re: Graphical usenet client - alternative to Knode
On 02/23/2010 05:15 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:59:33 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: You and I do the same thing in the end. The difference is that you waste bandwidth, need to set up filters every time you subscribe to a new list Which takes about ten seconds usually. 10 is more than 0 :D , need to unsubscribe when you don't want to receive email anymore, Which takes about half that time, and both of these are infrequent occurrences. For lists that I had only a transient interest in, I would look at usenet versions. And when later you want to subscribe again... need hard disk space to store all the downloaded messages, don't have access to messages from the time you weren't subscribed yet, No, but I do have access to Google :) Yes, but this requires to go to Google. I have the messages right there in front of me. So in the end, we end up doing the same thing, by I do it in a saner way that was designed to do exactly that. :) No, you do it in a different way that suits your needs. That doesn't make you right and people with other needs wrong. It just illustrates the benefits of choice. I did not insult your choice, why assume that you know better than me what I need? No, that wasn't my intention. All I'm saying in the end is that people stick to the ways they are used to do their tasks. There might be better options out there, but it requires getting used to those new options so they usually don't bother. I just though I'd mention the stuff here so people actually know the option exists and has saved me from quite some annoyances I had to deal with in the past. It appears it only has pros and no cons, so I don't see a reason to use email instead. How do you read messages without an Internet connection? Everything has pros and cons. You got me with that one :) Just because I don't have this problem doesn't mean no else does either.
[gentoo-user] Re: Graphical usenet client - alternative to Knode
On 2010-02-23, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 02/23/2010 01:39 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: >> On 02/23/2010 12:26 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: >> >>> Why are you passing the mail through a conversion gateway only >>> to read it in a mail client? Wouldn't subscribing directly be >>> even more simple? >> >> No, because then I would get all the mail in my inbox and I >> would be the one responsible for filtering it; a total waste >> on bandwidth and my time. GMane does that for me instead. > > Just to make my point more clear: > >http://i50.tinypic.com/15ow2g8.png > > All of these under the "GMane" groups are mailing lists, but they appear > just like Usenet newsgroups. I can't imagine any easier way to easily > deal with 30+ mailing list subscriptions. I too use Gmane to read all mailing lists, but I use a dedicated news client (slrn) instead of a combined e-mail/news client. I definitely don't want all those e-mailes coming through my in-box where _I've_ got to filter, sort, and archive them. I'd much rather let gmane handle that. -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! BARBARA STANWYCK makes at me nervous!! visi.com
[gentoo-user] Re: Graphical usenet client - alternative to Knode
On 2010-02-23, Neil Bothwick wrote: > With the downside being that the process is slower, as you > have to download each message or thread as you want to read > it. Contrast this with having email delivered whether you are > reading it or not and being filtered at the moment of arrival > so it is instantly available, sorted into folders, when you > start up your client. I get the impression you always read the mailing lists on a single machine? I read Gmane's "lists" from 4-5 different machines and locations. Duplicating all that mail locally on all those machines would be a pain. > However, this convenience uses more bandwidth, so if that is > worth more to you than your time, using Usenet for selective > reading does make sense. -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! Hello... IRON at CURTAIN? Send over a visi.comSAUSAGE PIZZA! World War III? No thanks!
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Graphical usenet client - alternative to Knode
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:59:33 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > You and I do the same thing in the end. The difference is that you > waste bandwidth, need to set up filters every time you subscribe to a > new list Which takes about ten seconds usually. >, need to unsubscribe when you don't want to receive email > anymore, Which takes about half that time, and both of these are infrequent occurrences. For lists that I had only a transient interest in, I would look at usenet versions. > need hard disk space to store all the downloaded messages, > don't have access to messages from the time you weren't subscribed yet, No, but I do have access to Google :) > So in the end, we end up doing the same thing, by I do it in a saner > way that was designed to do exactly that. :) No, you do it in a different way that suits your needs. That doesn't make you right and people with other needs wrong. It just illustrates the benefits of choice. I did not insult your choice, why assume that you know better than me what I need? > It appears it only has > pros and no cons, so I don't see a reason to use email instead. How do you read messages without an Internet connection? Everything has pros and cons. -- Neil Bothwick Walk softly and carry a fully charged phazer. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Re: Graphical usenet client - alternative to Knode
On 02/23/2010 03:08 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:39:48 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: I am currently "subscribed" to 31 mailing lists on GMane. I don't even want to imagine what would happen if I would receive email from all of them (and 90% of the posts would not interest me anyway, so why recieve them in the first place?) It's just not practical. A Usenet-like front-end is the perfect solution here; a mailing list is very similar to a Usenet newsgroup and that's why this approach is the most practical one. And even if I were subscribed to only one list, it would still be the best way to access it; even though the traffic is much lower when compared to 31 lists, but it's still high enough to get annoying with something landing on your inbox every 10 minutes or so, even stuff you don't intend to read. With Usenet, you only get what you're interested in, and you get it in a way that is very easy to access and browse though. With the downside being that the process is slower, as you have to download each message or thread as you want to read it. Contrast this with having email delivered whether you are reading it or not and being filtered at the moment of arrival so it is instantly available, sorted into folders, when you start up your client. However, this convenience uses more bandwidth, so if that is worth more to you than your time, using Usenet for selective reading does make sense. No, each message gets downloaded in under 1 second; it immediately appears when you click on it. It's blindingly fast. No surprise though, since it's just text. However, downloading thousands of messages per day that I don't intent to read is a waste of bandwidth. It's not so much about time, it's about volume. You and I do the same thing in the end. The difference is that you waste bandwidth, need to set up filters every time you subscribe to a new list, need to unsubscribe when you don't want to receive email anymore, need hard disk space to store all the downloaded messages, don't have access to messages from the time you weren't subscribed yet, and probably more I can't think of right now. So in the end, we end up doing the same thing, by I do it in a saner way that was designed to do exactly that. :) It appears it only has pros and no cons, so I don't see a reason to use email instead.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Graphical usenet client - alternative to Knode
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:48:03 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: >http://i50.tinypic.com/15ow2g8.png > > All of these under the "GMane" groups are mailing lists, but they > appear just like Usenet newsgroups. I can't imagine any easier way to > easily deal with 30+ mailing list subscriptions. That looks just like my mailboxes do :) -- Neil Bothwick Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Graphical usenet client - alternative to Knode
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:39:48 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > > Why are you passing the mail through a conversion gateway only to > > read it in a mail client? Wouldn't subscribing directly be even more > > simple? > > No, because then I would get all the mail in my inbox and I would be > the one responsible for filtering it; a total waste on bandwidth and my > time. GMane does that for me instead. Well, setting up filters is hardly taxing or time consuming, but I see your point. > I am currently "subscribed" to 31 mailing lists on GMane. I don't even > want to imagine what would happen if I would receive email from all of > them (and 90% of the posts would not interest me anyway, so why recieve > them in the first place?) It's just not practical. A Usenet-like > front-end is the perfect solution here; a mailing list is very similar > to a Usenet newsgroup and that's why this approach is the most > practical one. And even if I were subscribed to only one list, it > would still be the best way to access it; even though the traffic is > much lower when compared to 31 lists, but it's still high enough to get > annoying with something landing on your inbox every 10 minutes or so, > even stuff you don't intend to read. With Usenet, you only get what > you're interested in, and you get it in a way that is very easy to > access and browse though. With the downside being that the process is slower, as you have to download each message or thread as you want to read it. Contrast this with having email delivered whether you are reading it or not and being filtered at the moment of arrival so it is instantly available, sorted into folders, when you start up your client. However, this convenience uses more bandwidth, so if that is worth more to you than your time, using Usenet for selective reading does make sense. -- Neil Bothwick furbling, v.: Having to wander through a maze of ropes at an airport or bank even when you are the only person in line. -- Rich Hall, "Sniglets" signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Graphical usenet client - alternative to Knode
On 23 February 2010 11:48, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 02/23/2010 01:39 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: >> >> On 02/23/2010 12:26 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: >>> >>> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:11:40 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: >>> I'm on KDE4 but I use Thunderbird for both Usenet (including this mailing list through GMane's "mailing-list-to-Usenet" interface) and email. I like the simplicity and using only one app for both. >>> >>> Why are you passing the mail through a conversion gateway only to read it >>> in a mail client? Wouldn't subscribing directly be even more simple? >> >> No, because then I would get all the mail in my inbox and I would be the >> one responsible for filtering it; a total waste on bandwidth and my >> time. GMane does that for me instead. > > Just to make my point more clear: > > http://i50.tinypic.com/15ow2g8.png > > All of these under the "GMane" groups are mailing lists, but they appear > just like Usenet newsgroups. I can't imagine any easier way to easily deal > with 30+ mailing list subscriptions. Also, unlike when using a mail client, with usenet you don't have to download the message/thread if you're not interested in reading it. Back to the OP's topic, I am also using Knode (but not for this M/L). If you set your USE flags right you should be able to continue using Kmail/Knode without some of the dependencies that the full KDE4 desktop requires. However, I don't know if from KDE4.4 changes on dependencies (as per recent thread on semantic-desktop) mean that more of these will be pulled in. -- Regards, Mick
[gentoo-user] Re: Graphical usenet client - alternative to Knode
On 02/23/2010 01:39 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 02/23/2010 12:26 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:11:40 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: I'm on KDE4 but I use Thunderbird for both Usenet (including this mailing list through GMane's "mailing-list-to-Usenet" interface) and email. I like the simplicity and using only one app for both. Why are you passing the mail through a conversion gateway only to read it in a mail client? Wouldn't subscribing directly be even more simple? No, because then I would get all the mail in my inbox and I would be the one responsible for filtering it; a total waste on bandwidth and my time. GMane does that for me instead. Just to make my point more clear: http://i50.tinypic.com/15ow2g8.png All of these under the "GMane" groups are mailing lists, but they appear just like Usenet newsgroups. I can't imagine any easier way to easily deal with 30+ mailing list subscriptions.
[gentoo-user] Re: Graphical usenet client - alternative to Knode
On 02/23/2010 12:26 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:11:40 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: I'm on KDE4 but I use Thunderbird for both Usenet (including this mailing list through GMane's "mailing-list-to-Usenet" interface) and email. I like the simplicity and using only one app for both. Why are you passing the mail through a conversion gateway only to read it in a mail client? Wouldn't subscribing directly be even more simple? No, because then I would get all the mail in my inbox and I would be the one responsible for filtering it; a total waste on bandwidth and my time. GMane does that for me instead. I am currently "subscribed" to 31 mailing lists on GMane. I don't even want to imagine what would happen if I would receive email from all of them (and 90% of the posts would not interest me anyway, so why recieve them in the first place?) It's just not practical. A Usenet-like front-end is the perfect solution here; a mailing list is very similar to a Usenet newsgroup and that's why this approach is the most practical one. And even if I were subscribed to only one list, it would still be the best way to access it; even though the traffic is much lower when compared to 31 lists, but it's still high enough to get annoying with something landing on your inbox every 10 minutes or so, even stuff you don't intend to read. With Usenet, you only get what you're interested in, and you get it in a way that is very easy to access and browse though.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Graphical usenet client - alternative to Knode
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:11:40 +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > I'm on KDE4 but I use Thunderbird for both Usenet (including this > mailing list through GMane's "mailing-list-to-Usenet" interface) and > email. I like the simplicity and using only one app for both. Why are you passing the mail through a conversion gateway only to read it in a mail client? Wouldn't subscribing directly be even more simple? -- Neil Bothwick SITCOM: Single Income, Two Children, Oppressive Mortgage signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Re: Graphical usenet client - alternative to Knode
On 02/23/2010 07:42 AM, Stroller wrote: Some comments were made recently about KDE4, where it was advised "don't try using just Kmail under a different window manager - use the whole KDE environment, but not single apps. Use something else instead of Kmail". I kept my gob somewhat shut at that time, because I've been using Knode for a long time on my headless server. I ssh in from my Mac and open Knode in X11. I guess Usenet isn't so popular these days, and I have never been able to find a Mac native client that I'm happy with. I like Knode's simple 3-pane layout. Knode has improved visually with the KDE4 release, but the much debated KDE4 dependencies thing. It has only just occurred to me today to ask if there's an alternative that looks & acts just the same, but which isn't part of the whole KDE4 environment. Any suggestions? I'm on KDE4 but I use Thunderbird for both Usenet (including this mailing list through GMane's "mailing-list-to-Usenet" interface) and email. I like the simplicity and using only one app for both.
