Re: [gentoo-user] installing gentoo with a systemd profile
On Tue, Jul 21 2015, Peter Humphrey wrote: But this conversation touches on a more general point: which profile is best at each stage of an installation? I've had to rebuild my KDE system a few times recently (at least I thought I did at the time, but that's another story). I settled on a vanilla profile in the early stages, with USE=-X in make.conf, then changed it to +X and installed xorg-server. Then I switched to the KDE desktop profile and installed KDE, finally adding all the bits and pieces that go to make up a complete system. Last of all, an emerge -e world tidied everything up neatly. The installation handbook could be clearer on this. Indeed. It would probably be too much to ask that it mentions each case separately, but it could include a general comment that taking a few smaller steps can be easier than going directly to the final profile. allan
Re: [gentoo-user] installing gentoo with a systemd profile
On Mon, Jul 20 2015, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 8:02 PM, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: On Sat, Jul 18 2015, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 8:00 PM, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: I am installing gentoo on a new laptop. I am a gnome, hence systemd, user. I also use lvm (I have / and /usr combined on a non-lvm partition). At the point where you choose a profile (// wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Full/Installation#Choosing_the_right_profile ) I selected [5] default/linux/amd64/13.0/desktop/gnome/systemd * But now I get merge conflicts since I have sys-fs/udev installed. I can't depclean udev. Should I have just used the default/linux/amd64/13.0 profile and switched later after the installation is complete. Fortunately, I don't need to used the new machine immediately so I don't mind starting the installation over from the beginning In a similar vein, my systems have PORTDIR=/var/portage. Am I correct in now believing that it is better to do the install with the default PORTDIR=/usr/portage and then switching after the dust settles What I usually do is: 1. Extract the stage 3 tarball 2. Sync the portage tree 3. Switch to the systemd profile 4. emerge -uDNvp world (this usually solves the systemd/udev conflicts) 5. emerge --depclean 6. Switch to the GNOME/systemd profile 7. Emerge gnome-base/gnome In my experience, if you switch directly to the GNOME/systemd profile, you get many conflicts. I certainly did. I will try your indirect root to gnome/systemd. If it works (and given the source I strongly suspect it will), I will try to get it included in the systemd wiki. You'll probably still get some circular dependencies by USE flags, but those should be few and portage will tell you how to break the cycle. Right I and to add the following to package.use # First merge of gnome 21 Jul 15 =media-plugins/grilo-plugins-0.2.13 upnp-av =www-servers/apache-2.2.29 apache2_mpms_prefork thanks again, allan
Re: [gentoo-user] installing gentoo with a systemd profile
2015-07-21 14:23 GMT-06:00 gottl...@nyu.edu: Probably the --unmerge would have worked. But I basically started over (untar of the stage3) and applied canek two-step recipe First switch to the systemd profile and emerge world Second switch to the gnome/system profile and emerge gnome It worked well. I guess It worked for you well, that's nice, I just want to add you shouldn't have taken Kanek's description as a full recipe, he didn't wrote it but, doing the systemd, and stardard install configuration before emerging gnome, is importat for many users, especially if en_US is not your native language[1], and you want to reduce the amount of to compile/install packages by settings like VIDEO_CARDS, INPUT_DEVICES, etc . Again nice you had the default configuration match want you wanted. [1] http://www.quickmeme.com/img/94/942b064a249d63afe19d3165a088d58ae1c9c5179d98b1fb9072db3dcf5115ed.jpg ( a fun meme of what I'm talking about)
Re: [gentoo-user] installing gentoo with a systemd profile
On Tue, Jul 21 2015, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Mon, 20 Jul 2015 21:13:19 -0400, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: Did you read this part? https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Full/Installation#Optional:_Using_systemd Yes I did and had the systemd wiki page on a chromium tab while installing. It's been some months since I last did this, but I don't recall any serious conflicts. Why not just unmerge udev to avoid the blockage? I tried via depclean. I wanted to ask here before actually trying --unmerge, which seems rather brutal. I actually had a tiny part in the systemd wiki and remember that you could switch from an openrc system to systemd without unmerging. Sometimes you need to be brutal. I suppose so. Remember that udev is part of systemd, which is why you cannot have both packages installed. After unmerging udev, emerging systemd brings it back anyway. Your only window of risk is something happening between those two operations, but since you are still working in a chroot at this point, even that wouldn't matter. Probably the --unmerge would have worked. But I basically started over (untar of the stage3) and applied canek two-step recipe First switch to the systemd profile and emerge world Second switch to the gnome/system profile and emerge gnome It worked well. thanks again, allan
Re: [gentoo-user] installing gentoo with a systemd profile
On Tue, Jul 21 2015, Jc García wrote: 2015-07-21 14:23 GMT-06:00 gottl...@nyu.edu: Probably the --unmerge would have worked. But I basically started over (untar of the stage3) and applied canek two-step recipe First switch to the systemd profile and emerge world Second switch to the gnome/system profile and emerge gnome It worked well. I guess It worked for you well, that's nice, I just want to add you shouldn't have taken Kanek's description as a full recipe, he didn't wrote it but, doing the systemd, and stardard install configuration before emerging gnome, is importat for many users, especially if en_US is not your native language[1], and you want to reduce the amount of to compile/install packages by settings like VIDEO_CARDS, INPUT_DEVICES, etc . Again nice you had the default configuration match want you wanted. Canek didn't call it a full recipe; he just said it was what he usually does. Perhaps I should have chosen my words more carefully. Also I was only talking about the step in the installation guide where called choosing the right profile. Locales comes later. allan
Re: [gentoo-user] installing gentoo with a systemd profile
On Tuesday 21 July 2015 19:06:10 gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: On Tue, Jul 21 2015, Jc García wrote: 2015-07-21 14:23 GMT-06:00 gottl...@nyu.edu: Probably the --unmerge would have worked. But I basically started over (untar of the stage3) and applied canek two-step recipe First switch to the systemd profile and emerge world Second switch to the gnome/system profile and emerge gnome It worked well. I guess It worked for you well, that's nice, I just want to add you shouldn't have taken Kanek's description as a full recipe, he didn't wrote it but, doing the systemd, and stardard install configuration before emerging gnome, is importat for many users, especially if en_US is not your native language[1], and you want to reduce the amount of to compile/install packages by settings like VIDEO_CARDS, INPUT_DEVICES, etc . Again nice you had the default configuration match want you wanted. Canek didn't call it a full recipe; he just said it was what he usually does. Perhaps I should have chosen my words more carefully. I don't think so. It was clear enough to me. But this conversation touches on a more general point: which profile is best at each stage of an installation? I've had to rebuild my KDE system a few times recently (at least I thought I did at the time, but that's another story). I settled on a vanilla profile in the early stages, with USE=-X in make.conf, then changed it to +X and installed xorg-server. Then I switched to the KDE desktop profile and installed KDE, finally adding all the bits and pieces that go to make up a complete system. Last of all, an emerge -e world tidied everything up neatly. The installation handbook could be clearer on this. -- Rgds Peter
Re: [gentoo-user] installing gentoo with a systemd profile
On Tue, 21 Jul 2015 16:23:56 -0400, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: Remember that udev is part of systemd, which is why you cannot have both packages installed. After unmerging udev, emerging systemd brings it back anyway. Your only window of risk is something happening between those two operations, but since you are still working in a chroot at this point, even that wouldn't matter. Probably the --unmerge would have worked. But I basically started over (untar of the stage3) and applied canek two-step recipe First switch to the systemd profile and emerge world Second switch to the gnome/system profile and emerge gnome It worked well. Glad it worked for you. I don't use GNOME, so that was an extra layer of trouble I didn't have to deal with. -- Neil Bothwick When you finally buy enough memory, you will not have enough disk space. -- Murphy's Computer Laws n\xB03 pgpcP0oPmXhxI.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] installing gentoo with a systemd profile
2015-07-21 17:06 GMT-06:00 gottl...@nyu.edu: Also I was only talking about the step in the installation guide where called choosing the right profile. Locales comes later. LOCALE is one thing, LINGUAS and stuff that goes into make.conf is another, the result of not having linguas set almost imediatly, is when you set the locale, the applications will reset to LANG=C, because many of the translations are in e.g. *.po files processed optionally at compile time, thus not setting it would effectivelly mean a complete rebuild of gnome(and many other applications) in order to get the translations. this was my point, but as I said, good the default I what you needed.
Re: [gentoo-user] installing gentoo with a systemd profile
On Mon, 20 Jul 2015 21:13:19 -0400, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: Did you read this part? https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Full/Installation#Optional:_Using_systemd Yes I did and had the systemd wiki page on a chromium tab while installing. It's been some months since I last did this, but I don't recall any serious conflicts. Why not just unmerge udev to avoid the blockage? I tried via depclean. I wanted to ask here before actually trying --unmerge, which seems rather brutal. I actually had a tiny part in the systemd wiki and remember that you could switch from an openrc system to systemd without unmerging. Sometimes you need to be brutal. Remember that udev is part of systemd, which is why you cannot have both packages installed. After unmerging udev, emerging systemd brings it back anyway. Your only window of risk is something happening between those two operations, but since you are still working in a chroot at this point, even that wouldn't matter. -- Neil Bothwick Adolescence, n.: The stage between puberty and adultery. pgpZumeTWN_Ji.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] installing gentoo with a systemd profile
On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 8:02 PM, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: On Sat, Jul 18 2015, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 8:00 PM, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: I am installing gentoo on a new laptop. I am a gnome, hence systemd, user. I also use lvm (I have / and /usr combined on a non-lvm partition). At the point where you choose a profile (// wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Full/Installation#Choosing_the_right_profile ) I selected [5] default/linux/amd64/13.0/desktop/gnome/systemd * But now I get merge conflicts since I have sys-fs/udev installed. I can't depclean udev. Should I have just used the default/linux/amd64/13.0 profile and switched later after the installation is complete. Fortunately, I don't need to used the new machine immediately so I don't mind starting the installation over from the beginning In a similar vein, my systems have PORTDIR=/var/portage. Am I correct in now believing that it is better to do the install with the default PORTDIR=/usr/portage and then switching after the dust settles What I usually do is: 1. Extract the stage 3 tarball 2. Sync the portage tree 3. Switch to the systemd profile 4. emerge -uDNvp world (this usually solves the systemd/udev conflicts) 5. emerge --depclean 6. Switch to the GNOME/systemd profile 7. Emerge gnome-base/gnome In my experience, if you switch directly to the GNOME/systemd profile, you get many conflicts. I certainly did. I will try your indirect root to gnome/systemd. If it works (and given the source I strongly suspect it will), I will try to get it included in the systemd wiki. You'll probably still get some circular dependencies by USE flags, but those should be few and portage will tell you how to break the cycle. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Profesor de asignatura, Facultad de Ciencias Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] installing gentoo with a systemd profile
2015-07-20 19:13 GMT-06:00 gottl...@nyu.edu:
I tried via depclean. I wanted to ask here before actually trying
--unmerge, which seems rather brutal. I actually had a tiny part in the
systemd wiki and remember that you could switch from an openrc system to
systemd without unmerging. Instead, you either changed use flags
(+systemd and -consolekit) or went to the a systemd profile
(recommended).
It is needed to remove sys-fs/udev in order to get apps-sytem/systemd,
remember is the same code base the difference is you only compile one
part when emerging sys-fs/udev, not unmerging would cause file
conflicts, at install time.
sys-fs/udev/udev-222.ebuild:
SRC_URI=https://github.com/systemd/systemd/archive/v${PV}.tar.gz -
${P}.tar.gz
Re: [gentoo-user] installing gentoo with a systemd profile
On Sat, Jul 18 2015, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 8:00 PM, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: I am installing gentoo on a new laptop. I am a gnome, hence systemd, user. I also use lvm (I have / and /usr combined on a non-lvm partition). At the point where you choose a profile (// wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Full/Installation#Choosing_the_right_profile ) I selected [5] default/linux/amd64/13.0/desktop/gnome/systemd * But now I get merge conflicts since I have sys-fs/udev installed. I can't depclean udev. Should I have just used the default/linux/amd64/13.0 profile and switched later after the installation is complete. Fortunately, I don't need to used the new machine immediately so I don't mind starting the installation over from the beginning In a similar vein, my systems have PORTDIR=/var/portage. Am I correct in now believing that it is better to do the install with the default PORTDIR=/usr/portage and then switching after the dust settles What I usually do is: 1. Extract the stage 3 tarball 2. Sync the portage tree 3. Switch to the systemd profile 4. emerge -uDNvp world (this usually solves the systemd/udev conflicts) 5. emerge --depclean 6. Switch to the GNOME/systemd profile 7. Emerge gnome-base/gnome In my experience, if you switch directly to the GNOME/systemd profile, you get many conflicts. I certainly did. I will try your indirect root to gnome/systemd. If it works (and given the source I strongly suspect it will), I will try to get it included in the systemd wiki. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Thank you, allan
Re: [gentoo-user] installing gentoo with a systemd profile
On Sun, Jul 19 2015, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 21:00:54 -0400, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: I am installing gentoo on a new laptop. I am a gnome, hence systemd, user. I also use lvm (I have / and /usr combined on a non-lvm partition). At the point where you choose a profile (//wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Full/Installation#Choosing_the_right_profile) I selected [5] default/linux/amd64/13.0/desktop/gnome/systemd * But now I get merge conflicts since I have sys-fs/udev installed. I can't depclean udev. Did you read this part? https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Full/Installation#Optional:_Using_systemd Yes I did and had the systemd wiki page on a chromium tab while installing. It's been some months since I last did this, but I don't recall any serious conflicts. Why not just unmerge udev to avoid the blockage? I tried via depclean. I wanted to ask here before actually trying --unmerge, which seems rather brutal. I actually had a tiny part in the systemd wiki and remember that you could switch from an openrc system to systemd without unmerging. Instead, you either changed use flags (+systemd and -consolekit) or went to the a systemd profile (recommended). allan
Re: [gentoo-user] installing gentoo with a systemd profile
On Sat, 18 Jul 2015 21:00:54 -0400, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: I am installing gentoo on a new laptop. I am a gnome, hence systemd, user. I also use lvm (I have / and /usr combined on a non-lvm partition). At the point where you choose a profile (//wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Full/Installation#Choosing_the_right_profile) I selected [5] default/linux/amd64/13.0/desktop/gnome/systemd * But now I get merge conflicts since I have sys-fs/udev installed. I can't depclean udev. Did you read this part? https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Full/Installation#Optional:_Using_systemd It's been some months since I last did this, but I don't recall any serious conflicts. Why not just unmerge udev to avoid the blockage? -- Neil Bothwick You are a completely unique individual, just like everybody else. pgpP2DaY5NkWK.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[gentoo-user] installing gentoo with a systemd profile
I am installing gentoo on a new laptop. I am a gnome, hence systemd, user. I also use lvm (I have / and /usr combined on a non-lvm partition). At the point where you choose a profile (//wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Full/Installation#Choosing_the_right_profile) I selected [5] default/linux/amd64/13.0/desktop/gnome/systemd * But now I get merge conflicts since I have sys-fs/udev installed. I can't depclean udev. Should I have just used the default/linux/amd64/13.0 profile and switched later after the installation is complete. Fortunately, I don't need to used the new machine immediately so I don't mind starting the installation over from the beginning In a similar vein, my systems have PORTDIR=/var/portage. Am I correct in now believing that it is better to do the install with the default PORTDIR=/usr/portage and then switching after the dust settles thanks, allan
Re: [gentoo-user] installing gentoo with a systemd profile
On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 8:00 PM, gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: I am installing gentoo on a new laptop. I am a gnome, hence systemd, user. I also use lvm (I have / and /usr combined on a non-lvm partition). At the point where you choose a profile (// wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Full/Installation#Choosing_the_right_profile ) I selected [5] default/linux/amd64/13.0/desktop/gnome/systemd * But now I get merge conflicts since I have sys-fs/udev installed. I can't depclean udev. Should I have just used the default/linux/amd64/13.0 profile and switched later after the installation is complete. Fortunately, I don't need to used the new machine immediately so I don't mind starting the installation over from the beginning In a similar vein, my systems have PORTDIR=/var/portage. Am I correct in now believing that it is better to do the install with the default PORTDIR=/usr/portage and then switching after the dust settles What I usually do is: 1. Extract the stage 3 tarball 2. Sync the portage tree 3. Switch to the systemd profile 4. emerge -uDNvp world (this usually solves the systemd/udev conflicts) 5. emerge --depclean 6. Switch to the GNOME/systemd profile 7. Emerge gnome-base/gnome In my experience, if you switch directly to the GNOME/systemd profile, you get many conflicts. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Profesor de asignatura, Facultad de Ciencias Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
