Re: [gentoo-user] java vs. javascript - what's the difference?
On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 08:12:13PM -0600, John Jolet wrote and your pick for client-side portable code is??? Client-side code is inherently risky. The website is executing a program on your machine. It's not that much different from allowing people to telnet on to your machine anonymously and run programs. You face similar privilege-escalation attacks. And Windows boxes are being administered (if you can call it that) by computer-illiterate Joe Sixpack, not his geeky cousin Joe Sysadmin. Sure, Java started out from square 1 with a sandbox or Virtual Machine. That didn't stop vulnerabilities from showing up in Java. Netscape's Livescript (damn the @##holes for renaming it Javascript) started off with so little power that the attitude was Sandbox? We don't need no steenkin sandbox.. As Javascript's power grew, that decision has come back to bite, especially on Windows, but there have been a few multi-platform security bugs. -- Walter Dnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 My musings on technology and security at http://tech_sec.blog.ca -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] java vs. javascript - what's the difference?
On Dec 25, 2005, at 9:37 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 08:12:13PM -0600, John Jolet wrote and your pick for client-side portable code is??? Client-side code is inherently risky. The website is executing a program on your machine. It's not that much different from allowing people to telnet on to your machine anonymously and run programs. You face similar privilege-escalation attacks. And Windows boxes are being administered (if you can call it that) by computer-illiterate Joe Sixpack, not his geeky cousin Joe Sysadmin. Sure, Java started out from square 1 with a sandbox or Virtual Machine. That didn't stop vulnerabilities from showing up in Java. Netscape's Livescript (damn the @##holes for renaming it Javascript) started off with so little power that the attitude was Sandbox? We don't need no steenkin sandbox.. As Javascript's power grew, that decision has come back to bite, especially on Windows, but there have been a few multi-platform security bugs. Frankly, I quite agree. Unfortunately, it's very difficult to do the kind of nifty things the marketing folks like so much without some sort of client-side code. And it's virtually impossible to make the sort of application-like sites that swell the heart of web services aficionados. I have always recommended against any sort of client- side requirement (on those rare occasions when someone actually asks the sysadmin his opinion on design and security) but that's a battle marketing almost always wins. It's no coincidence that the os with the least security turned on by default has the largest market share. Security takes effort, and 90% of the people would rather wade naked in the cesspool than try to understand the concepts necessary to mediate that risk. -- Walter Dnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] In linux /sbin/init is Job #1 My musings on technology and security at http://tech_sec.blog.ca -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] java vs. javascript - what's the difference?
Willie Wong wrote: For what it's worth, I believe those people reporting success might be trying the wrong page. The website redirects all deep-links to the front page. To reproduce the error, go to the frontpage of smith and noble, on the left hand side, click Photo Gallery. Choose an arbitrary gallery from the right when it appears, open up javascript console from Tools-Javascript console in Firefox or Tools-Web development-Javascript Console in Mozilla. Click on one of the thumbnails on the right (the hyperlink should say javascript.switchImage(2)), and see the image fail to load. I'm one of the people who reported success. I followed your instructions above, and the image loads just fine. John -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] java vs. javascript - what's the difference?
On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 05:07:28AM -0500, Penguin Lover John Blinka squawked: Willie Wong wrote: For what it's worth, I believe those people reporting success might be trying the wrong page. The website redirects all deep-links to the front page. To reproduce the error, go to the frontpage of smith and noble, on the left hand side, click Photo Gallery. Choose an arbitrary gallery from the right when it appears, open up javascript console from Tools-Javascript console in Firefox or Tools-Web development-Javascript Console in Mozilla. Click on one of the thumbnails on the right (the hyperlink should say javascript.switchImage(2)), and see the image fail to load. I'm one of the people who reported success. I followed your instructions above, and the image loads just fine. John Something is wrong on my end then. Can I have your USE flags for firefox, the version you are running, and what Javascript options you are using (i.e. from the Firefox preferences or about:config)? W -- Seen outside the LINAC control room @ Fermi Nat'l Accelerator Laboratory: (an _official_ sign) PLEASE DON'T FEED THE OPERATORS Sortir en Pantoufles: up 37 days, 13:54 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] java vs. javascript - what's the difference?
On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 10:11:16AM -0200, Penguin Lover Daniel da Veiga squawked: I'm using a fresh installed Gentoo and Firefox 1.0.7, so, I have no plugins (yet). And the site mentioned works great, its a simple javascript popping up a window, I even made a lot of these on my webmaster days, that specific function has no compatibility problems, it works on all browsers I've tested so far... You probably have something wrong with your browser. If it is popping up a window, you are looking at the wrong problem. The simple javascript pop-up works fine. I am talking about a specific problem in the Photo Gallery where the javascript is supposed to switch the current image displayed without opening a new window. W -- The suit into which the man's body had been stuffed looked as if it's only purpose in life was to demonstrate how difficult it was to get this sort of body into a suit. Sortir en Pantoufles: up 37 days, 13:56 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] java vs. javascript - what's the difference?
On 12/19/05, Willie Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 05:07:28AM -0500, Penguin Lover John Blinka squawked: Willie Wong wrote: For what it's worth, I believe those people reporting success might be trying the wrong page. The website redirects all deep-links to the front page. To reproduce the error, go to the frontpage of smith and noble, on the left hand side, click Photo Gallery. Choose an arbitrary gallery from the right when it appears, open up javascript console from Tools-Javascript console in Firefox or Tools-Web development-Javascript Console in Mozilla. Click on one of the thumbnails on the right (the hyperlink should say javascript.switchImage(2)), and see the image fail to load. I'm one of the people who reported success. I followed your instructions above, and the image loads just fine. John Something is wrong on my end then. Can I have your USE flags for firefox, the version you are running, and what Javascript options you are using (i.e. from the Firefox preferences or about:config)? W Here is what is not working for us: dragonfly ~ # emerge -pv mozilla-firefox These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuild R ] www-client/mozilla-firefox-1.0.7-r4 -debug +gnome +ipv6 +java -mozcalendar -mozdevelop -moznoxft -mozsvg +truetype -xinerama -xprint 0 kB Total size of downloads: 0 kB dragonfly ~ # Enable Java, Enable Javascript are both checked. Javascript settings: Checked: Move or resize, Raise or lower, Disable or replace Not checked: Hide status bar, Change status bar text Thanks, Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] java vs. javascript - what's the difference?
On 12/19/05, Willie Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 10:11:16AM -0200, Penguin Lover Daniel da Veiga squawked: I'm using a fresh installed Gentoo and Firefox 1.0.7, so, I have no plugins (yet). And the site mentioned works great, its a simple javascript popping up a window, I even made a lot of these on my webmaster days, that specific function has no compatibility problems, it works on all browsers I've tested so far... You probably have something wrong with your browser. If it is popping up a window, you are looking at the wrong problem. The simple javascript pop-up works fine. I am talking about a specific problem in the Photo Gallery where the javascript is supposed to switch the current image displayed without opening a new window. My mistake, was looking at the URL provided at the first message, when entering the Photo Gallery, it really fails to load the images, wich is a shame, I checked the code and it was written surely with IE in mind, it offers no support for different browsers and uses specific properties of the objects, ones that are not available to Mozilla implementation of Javascript. I hate when webmasters do that. W -- The suit into which the man's body had been stuffed looked as if it's only purpose in life was to demonstrate how difficult it was to get this sort of body into a suit. Sortir en Pantoufles: up 37 days, 13:56 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- Daniel da Veiga Computer Operator - RS - Brazil -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GCM/IT/P/O d-? s:- a? C++$ UBLA++ P+ L++ E--- W+++$ N o+ K- w O M- V- PS PE Y PGP- t+ 5 X+++ R+* tv b+ DI+++ D+ G+ e h+ r+ y++ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] java vs. javascript - what's the difference?
On 12/19/05, Daniel da Veiga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/19/05, Willie Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 10:11:16AM -0200, Penguin Lover Daniel da Veiga squawked: I'm using a fresh installed Gentoo and Firefox 1.0.7, so, I have no plugins (yet). And the site mentioned works great, its a simple javascript popping up a window, I even made a lot of these on my webmaster days, that specific function has no compatibility problems, it works on all browsers I've tested so far... You probably have something wrong with your browser. If it is popping up a window, you are looking at the wrong problem. The simple javascript pop-up works fine. I am talking about a specific problem in the Photo Gallery where the javascript is supposed to switch the current image displayed without opening a new window. My mistake, was looking at the URL provided at the first message, when entering the Photo Gallery, it really fails to load the images, wich is a shame, I checked the code and it was written surely with IE in mind, it offers no support for different browsers and uses specific properties of the objects, ones that are not available to Mozilla implementation of Javascript. I hate when webmasters do that. Good info. However Safari on my Mac Mini operates correctly so whatever they do is not so crazy as to only work with IE. - Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] java vs. javascript - what's the difference?
On Sunday 18 December 2005 12:46 pm, Willie Wong wrote: From my limited knowledge of javascript, I can't tell whether it is a badly written javascript that parses in IE but not in Firefox, or Firefox not supporting the full standard, or perhaps the site-designer used some IE-only extensions. As a web developer, allow me to interject a little bit of an explanation here. Not only is there a difference between Java and Javascript, there is a difference between Javascript and Jscript - the crap that IE invented. Then there's also ECMAScript - which was a standards body invented version of the other two. Add to that, there are multiple different Document Object Models between the different browsers, which is the language's object tree structure that defines how every element in the page and the code is named. So, since there are a half dozen or more different ways for the different browsers to try to execute the Javascript code, you'll find sites that will only support the browser that their programmer uses, or that will have half of the javascript on the page devoted to trying to figure out what browser you're using, followed by a bunch of if/thens with multiple different flavors of the code that will HOPEFULLY work for the browser that you're actually using, and sites that just disregard Javascript entirely rather than try to deal with the headaches. Search javascript hell on Google. Note the 3 million results. :-) Basically, if it isn't working right now, don't hold your breath for it to be fixed, either by the Firefox team, or the website developers. -- Eric Bliss systems design and integration, CreativeCow.Net -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] java vs. javascript - what's the difference?
Willie Wong wrote: Something is wrong on my end then. Can I have your USE flags for firefox, the version you are running, and what Javascript options you are using (i.e. from the Firefox preferences or about:config)? W - equery uses mozilla-firefox [ Searching for packages matching mozilla-firefox... ] [ Colour Code : set unset ] [ Legend: Left column (U) - USE flags from make.conf ] [ : Right column (I) - USE flags packages was installed with ] [ Found these USE variables for www-client/mozilla-firefox-1.0.7-r4 ] U I - - gnome : Adds GNOME support + + java: Adds support for Java - - mozdevelop : Enable features for web developers (e.g. Venkman) - - mozsvg : Enable SVG support in mozilla and firefox - - mozcalendar : Enable mozilla calendar extension, http://mozilla.org/projects/calendar/ - - debug : Tells configure and the makefiles to build for debugging. Effects vary across packages, but generally it will at least add -g to CFLAGS. Remember to set FEATURES=nostrip too - - gnome : Adds GNOME support + + ipv6: Adds support for IP version 6 - - moznoxft: Disable XFT support in mozilla (also firefox, thunderbird) + + truetype: Adds support for FreeType and/or FreeType2 fonts - - xinerama: Add support for the xinerama X11 extension, which allows you to stretch your display across multiple monitors - - xprint : Support for xprint, http://www.mozilla.org/projects/xprint/ From edit-preferences-Web Features, I have Enable Javascript checked and under the Advanced option, I have Disable or replace conte... and Change Images checked. I'm running mozilla-firefox-1.0.7-r4. John -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] java vs. javascript - what's the difference?
On 12/19/05, John Blinka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Willie Wong wrote: Something is wrong on my end then. Can I have your USE flags for firefox, the version you are running, and what Javascript options you are using (i.e. from the Firefox preferences or about:config)? W - equery uses mozilla-firefox [ Searching for packages matching mozilla-firefox... ] [ Colour Code : set unset ] [ Legend: Left column (U) - USE flags from make.conf ] [ : Right column (I) - USE flags packages was installed with ] [ Found these USE variables for www-client/mozilla-firefox-1.0.7-r4 ] U I - - gnome : Adds GNOME support + + java: Adds support for Java - - mozdevelop : Enable features for web developers (e.g. Venkman) - - mozsvg : Enable SVG support in mozilla and firefox - - mozcalendar : Enable mozilla calendar extension, http://mozilla.org/projects/calendar/ - - debug : Tells configure and the makefiles to build for debugging. Effects vary across packages, but generally it will at least add -g to CFLAGS. Remember to set FEATURES=nostrip too - - gnome : Adds GNOME support + + ipv6: Adds support for IP version 6 - - moznoxft: Disable XFT support in mozilla (also firefox, thunderbird) + + truetype: Adds support for FreeType and/or FreeType2 fonts - - xinerama: Add support for the xinerama X11 extension, which allows you to stretch your display across multiple monitors - - xprint : Support for xprint, http://www.mozilla.org/projects/xprint/ From edit-preferences-Web Features, I have Enable Javascript checked and under the Advanced option, I have Disable or replace conte... and Change Images checked. I'm running mozilla-firefox-1.0.7-r4. While it has options to do that, many of the objects (yes, jscript and javascript are OO) have different methods, properties and even different ways to call and/or pass values to those methods from browser to browser. It is, like a previous post said, a HELL, it was never standard, and I bet it won't ever be, so, there are scripts called cross-browser, that check for your browser and version and call the scripts the way your browser understands it. A web page that was trully WELL designed, first, tries to NEVER use such unportable stuff, and if they MUST, they code it for cross-browser compatibility, its not hard, its just annoying, but many sites just don't do that. The problem is that most people develop using their browser to preview content, so, it looks good on THEIR browser, not necessarily with yours. In the old times when I used to make DHTML with IE, Netscape and Opera installed so I could spent a whole afternoon playing with absolute positions and cursing the developers, thank god now I work with something else. John -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- Daniel da Veiga Computer Operator - RS - Brazil -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GCM/IT/P/O d-? s:- a? C++$ UBLA++ P+ L++ E--- W+++$ N o+ K- w O M- V- PS PE Y PGP- t+ 5 X+++ R+* tv b+ DI+++ D+ G+ e h+ r+ y++ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] java vs. javascript - what's the difference?
On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 02:30:18PM -0800, Penguin Lover Eric Bliss squawked: Basically, if it isn't working right now, don't hold your breath for it to be fixed, either by the Firefox team, or the website developers. So... what you are saying is that, basically, it is not really anyone's fault, and so not a bug. Okay then, I'll stop worrying about it. At this point, it is really up to the OP to bug the webmaster and make the code Fireox-Compliant (TM) =p W -- Do you all understand? At this point I'll settle for quiet acquiescence. ~DeathMech, S. Sondhi. P-town PHY 205 Sortir en Pantoufles: up 37 days, 18:05 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] java vs. javascript - what's the difference?
Willie Wong wrote: On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 02:30:18PM -0800, Penguin Lover Eric Bliss squawked: Basically, if it isn't working right now, don't hold your breath for it to be fixed, either by the Firefox team, or the website developers. So... what you are saying is that, basically, it is not really anyone's fault, and so not a bug. Okay then, I'll stop worrying about it. At this point, it is really up to the OP to bug the webmaster and make the code Fireox-Compliant (TM) =p W This sounds like my sister-in-laws company website, she just works for them though. If you don't use IE, you're out of luck. The home page will work but nothing after she logs in. She uses a private section that is for employees only though so I don't have the address for it. She works for J. C. Penny. She sells shoes. LOL Al Bundy in the family. LOL Why can't there be a standard? Wouldn't it be easier for everybody? Even my banks really secure site work with Mozilla, on Linux no less. They run windoze, well, maybe it ain't so secure after all. ;) At least it works though. My $.02 worth and that ain't much. Dale :-) -- To err is human, I'm most certainly human. I have four rigs: 1: Home built; Abit NF7 ver 2.0 w/ AMD 2500+ CPU, 1GB of ram and right now two 80GB hard drives. 2: Home built; Iwill KK266-R w/ AMD 1GHz CPU, 256MBs of ram and a 4GB drive. 3: Home built; Gigabyte GA-71XE4 w/ 800MHz CPU, 128MBs of ram and a 2.5GB drive. 4: Compaq Proliant 6000 Server w/ Quad 200MHz CPUs, 128MBs of ram and a 4.3GB SCSI drive. All run Gentoo Linux, all run folding. #1 is my desktop, 2, 3, and 4 are set up as servers. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] java vs. javascript - what's the difference?
Sure, it's somebody's fault! We can start with blaming the Microsoft's Jscript development team, and follow up with the ECMA standards body for trying to compromise between the two existing versions of J[ava] script. After that, we should go after Netscape and IE both for creating two different conflicting DOMs in the first place. And let's go ahead and lynch Firefox, and Opera, and Safari and Konqueror too while we're at it, just on general principles. :-) By the way, what makes you think I hate Javascript??? ;-) and your pick for client-side portable code is??? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] java vs. javascript - what's the difference?
Hi, There is a web site that my wife wanted to use. The web address is here: http://www.smithandnoble.com/sn/photoGalleryDetail.jsp?catID=-14150 On this page, on the right, there are pictures that you are supposed to click to see a larger version to the left. This works on Windows and it works on the Mac, but it does not work on any of our Linux systems, using either blackdown java or sun java. I think that's a problem so I file a bug. I filed a bug report here: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115949 and was told the bug was 'invalid' because the page didn't have any Java. They said the page only has javascript. First, from a (stupid) user's perspective I found this a bit disappointing. I'm just told 'invalid' and given no guidance about how to make it work. However that happens when some developers have to talk to user types like me. I understand that. Still I want to understand how to make it work so the WAF stays high and she doesn't ask to go back to Windows. What's 'javascript' and how do I make this work? Thanks, Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] java vs. javascript - what's the difference?
Mark Knecht wrote: What's 'javascript' and how do I make this work? I don't know what the difference between java javascript is either, but the web page you cited works for me using an up-to-date gentoo system and firefox. Clicking on the pictures on the right hand side does pop up larger pictures for me. I've enabled javascript java in firefox's edit-preferences-web features menu. For what it's worth, I'm using blackdown java. John -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] java vs. javascript - what's the difference?
On Dec 18, 2005, at 11:46 AM, Mark Knecht wrote: Hi, There is a web site that my wife wanted to use. The web address is here: http://www.smithandnoble.com/sn/photoGalleryDetail.jsp?catID=-14150 On this page, on the right, there are pictures that you are supposed to click to see a larger version to the left. This works on Windows and it works on the Mac, but it does not work on any of our Linux systems, using either blackdown java or sun java. I think that's a problem so I file a bug. I filed a bug report here: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115949 and was told the bug was 'invalid' because the page didn't have any Java. They said the page only has javascript. First, from a (stupid) user's perspective I found this a bit disappointing. I'm just told 'invalid' and given no guidance about how to make it work. However that happens when some developers have to talk to user types like me. I understand that. Still I want to understand how to make it work so the WAF stays high and she doesn't ask to go back to Windows. What's 'javascript' and how do I make this work? Thanks, Mark javascript is, in fact, not java. typically, in the context of web sites, java is run server-side and essentially returns html for your browser to interpret. javascript, on the other hand, was, I believe, developed by netscape, not sun. they just called it that because it has some similarities with java. it is client-side, like microsoft's proprietary activex technology. Their response was probably fine, since there is, in fact, no java in javascript, despite the name. :) Oddly enough, I had no problems with the smith and noble website with firefox on my gentoo laptop...but that was a few months ago. from a practical standpoint, make sure you're running the latest firefox, and have javascript enabled in the security settings. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] java vs. javascript - what's the difference?
On 18-12-2005 17:46, Mark Knecht wrote: Hi, There is a web site that my wife wanted to use. The web address is here: http://www.smithandnoble.com/sn/photoGalleryDetail.jsp?catID=-14150 On this page, on the right, there are pictures that you are supposed to click to see a larger version to the left. This works on Windows and it works on the Mac, but it does not work on any of our Linux systems, using either blackdown java or sun java. I think that's a problem so I file a bug. Well on windows it works on IE but not on Firefox. What's 'javascript' and how do I make this work? Javascript is a client-side scripting language, it seams that the code on that page dosent support Firefox/Mozilla There is nothing that you can do about it, unless for instance you want to run IE on linux with wine: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=148168 regards, --RNuno -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] java vs. javascript - what's the difference?
Mark Knecht schreef: What's 'javascript' and how do I make this work? JavaScript From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Jump to: navigation, search JavaScript is an object-based scripting programming language based on the concept of prototypes. The language is best known for its use in websites, but is also used to enable scripting access to objects embedded in other applications. It was originally developed by Brendan Eich of Netscape Communications Corporation under the name Mocha, then LiveScript, and finally renamed to JavaScript. Like Java, JavaScript has a C-like syntax, but it has far more in common with the Self programming language than with Java. Java From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Jump to: navigation, search The term Java can refer to: In computer science: * Java, a technology developed by Sun Microsystems for machine-independent software, which encompasses: o Java programming language, an object-oriented high-level programming language o Java virtual machine, the virtual machine that runs Java byte code o Java platform, the Java virtual machine plus API specifications + Java 2 Platform, Standard Edition, targets desktop environment + Java 2 Platform, Enterprise Edition, targets server environment + Java 2 Platform, Micro Edition, targets embedded consumer products * JavaScript, a scripting language syntacticly similar to, but semanticly different from, the Java programming language John Blinka already told you how to enable JavaScript (and Java, if you want) in your (Mozilla/Gecko-based) browser. HTH, Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] java vs. javascript - what's the difference?
John Blinka wrote: Mark Knecht wrote: What's 'javascript' and how do I make this work? I don't know what the difference between java javascript is either, but the web page you cited works for me using an up-to-date gentoo system and firefox. Clicking on the pictures on the right hand side does pop up larger pictures for me. I've enabled javascript java in firefox's edit-preferences-web features menu. For what it's worth, I'm using blackdown java. John The site worked for me too. I use Mozilla 1.7.12 and KDE. This is my pluggins: Java(TM) Plug-in Blackdown-1.4.2-02 QuickTime Plug-in 6.0 Shockwave Flash 7.0 r61 Maybe if you copy what I have installed it will work. I did download the java from the Sun site and put it in /usr/portage/distfiles. It is the true java I guess, even though it is a pain in the but to install. Oh, my USE line is this: USE=acl acpi alsa amd arts artsd artswrappersuid cdr chroot clanJavaScript -crypt dbus doc -eds ethereal f-prot fdftk gaim gcj gimpprint gkrellm gphoto2 gtk gtkhtml hal hbci hpijs gif innodb java javascript jbig justify kde mmx mozdomi mozilla nsplugin ofx offensive openoffice -oss parse-clocks ppds pysol scanner scribus sse tcltk tiff tkinter truetype tuxracer udev usb X xml xprint yahoo 3dnow Hope that helps. Dale :-) -- To err is human, I'm most certainly human. I have four rigs: 1: Home built; Abit NF7 ver 2.0 w/ AMD 2500+ CPU, 1GB of ram and right now two 80GB hard drives. 2: Home built; Iwill KK266-R w/ AMD 1GHz CPU, 256MBs of ram and a 4GB drive. 3: Home built; Gigabyte GA-71XE4 w/ 800MHz CPU, 128MBs of ram and a 2.5GB drive. 4: Compaq Proliant 6000 Server w/ Quad 200MHz CPUs, 128MBs of ram and a 4.3GB SCSI drive. All run Gentoo, all run folding. #1 is my desktop, 2, 3, and 4 are set up as servers. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] java vs. javascript - what's the difference?
On 12/18/05, John Jolet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 18, 2005, at 11:46 AM, Mark Knecht wrote: Hi, There is a web site that my wife wanted to use. The web address is here: http://www.smithandnoble.com/sn/photoGalleryDetail.jsp?catID=-14150 On this page, on the right, there are pictures that you are supposed to click to see a larger version to the left. This works on Windows and it works on the Mac, but it does not work on any of our Linux systems, using either blackdown java or sun java. I think that's a problem so I file a bug. I filed a bug report here: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115949 and was told the bug was 'invalid' because the page didn't have any Java. They said the page only has javascript. First, from a (stupid) user's perspective I found this a bit disappointing. I'm just told 'invalid' and given no guidance about how to make it work. However that happens when some developers have to talk to user types like me. I understand that. Still I want to understand how to make it work so the WAF stays high and she doesn't ask to go back to Windows. What's 'javascript' and how do I make this work? Thanks, Mark javascript is, in fact, not java. typically, in the context of web sites, java is run server-side and essentially returns html for your browser to interpret. javascript, on the other hand, was, I believe, developed by netscape, not sun. they just called it that because it has some similarities with java. it is client-side, like microsoft's proprietary activex technology. Their response was probably fine, since there is, in fact, no java in javascript, despite the name. :) Oddly enough, I had no problems with the smith and noble website with firefox on my gentoo laptop...but that was a few months ago. from a practical standpoint, make sure you're running the latest firefox, and have javascript enabled in the security settings. Thanks to all who responded. I appreciate the info about javascript and suggestions. 1) I do have javascript enabled in Firefox. 2) I'm running this stuff Firefox-1.0.7-r2. I'll try updating to 1.0.7-r4 and see if it makes a difference. 3) I've tried blackdown 1.4.2-02 and 1.4.2-02-r1. Same results here. 4) I'm also using netscape-flash 7.0.61. 5) I've not tried Mozilla. Maybe that's an option for my wife. Not sure. I'll look over the USE flags and other info provided and see if anythign pops up, but since this site seems to work for some (John) and not others (RNuno) it's a bit strange. Thanks for the info all. I really apprecaite it. Cheers, Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] java vs. javascript - what's the difference?
On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 12:02:53PM -0600, Penguin Lover John Jolet squawked: javascript is, in fact, not java. typically, in the context of web sites, java is run server-side and essentially returns html for your Not quite. Java applets are mostly run client side, with possibly a server-side counterpart for communications. browser to interpret. javascript, on the other hand, was, I believe, developed by netscape, not sun. they just called it that because it has some similarities with java. it is client-side, like microsoft's proprietary activex technology. Their response was probably fine, since there is, in fact, no java in javascript, despite the name. :) Oddly enough, I had no problems with the smith and noble website with firefox on my gentoo laptop...but that was a few months ago. Also, I can reproduce the error on http://www.smithandnoble.com/sn/photoGalleryDetail.jsp?catID=-14150 with firefox 1.0.7-r2 and mozilla-1.7.12-r2 Javascript Console on both shows the following: Error: document.frm_bundle.heroImage has no properties SourceFile: http://www.smithandnoble.com/sn/photoGalleryDetail.jsp?catID=-14150 line 114 For what it's worth, I believe those people reporting success might be trying the wrong page. The website redirects all deep-links to the front page. To reproduce the error, go to the frontpage of smith and noble, on the left hand side, click Photo Gallery. Choose an arbitrary gallery from the right when it appears, open up javascript console from Tools-Javascript console in Firefox or Tools-Web development-Javascript Console in Mozilla. Click on one of the thumbnails on the right (the hyperlink should say javascript.switchImage(2)), and see the image fail to load. To the OP: that might also be one of the reasons your bug was marked invalid. They cannot reproduce the error from the description you gave. From my limited knowledge of javascript, I can't tell whether it is a badly written javascript that parses in IE but not in Firefox, or Firefox not supporting the full standard, or perhaps the site-designer used some IE-only extensions. I haven't tried Opera or Konqueror (don't have either installed). Any input? W -- `The first ten million years were the worst,' said Marvin, `and the second ten million, they were the worst too. The third ten million I didn't enjoy at all. After that I went into a bit of a decline.' - Marvin reflecting back on his 576,000,003,579 year career as Milliways' car park attendent. Sortir en Pantoufles: up 36 days, 12:54 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] java vs. javascript - what's the difference?
Mark Knecht wrote: Thanks to all who responded. I appreciate the info about javascript and suggestions. 1) I do have javascript enabled in Firefox. 2) I'm running this stuff Firefox-1.0.7-r2. I'll try updating to 1.0.7-r4 and see if it makes a difference. 3) I've tried blackdown 1.4.2-02 and 1.4.2-02-r1. Same results here. 4) I'm also using netscape-flash 7.0.61. 5) I've not tried Mozilla. Maybe that's an option for my wife. Not sure. I'll look over the USE flags and other info provided and see if anythign pops up, but since this site seems to work for some (John) and not others (RNuno) it's a bit strange. Thanks for the info all. I really apprecaite it. Cheers, Mark I do recall a while back having trouble with java crashing my Mozilla. I may be wrong but I think Blackdown is what I was having trouble wtih. The site was http://greengiant.com/ if you want to try it. If yours crashes, you may want to switch to Suns java. I seem to recall recompiling Mozilla to, since I changed my USE line to include java. It picked it up and made the needed symlinks itself. I hope all this helps. Sorry things come to me in bits and pieces. I sort of have a lot of things on my mind at the moment, most not Linux related. Dale :-) -- To err is human, I'm most certainly human. I have four rigs: 1: Home built; Abit NF7 ver 2.0 w/ AMD 2500+ CPU, 1GB of ram and right now two 80GB hard drives. 2: Home built; Iwill KK266-R w/ AMD 1GHz CPU, 256MBs of ram and a 4GB drive. 3: Home built; Gigabyte GA-71XE4 w/ 800MHz CPU, 128MBs of ram and a 2.5GB drive. 4: Compaq Proliant 6000 Server w/ Quad 200MHz CPUs, 128MBs of ram and a 4.3GB SCSI drive. All run Gentoo, all run folding. #1 is my desktop, 2, 3, and 4 are set up as servers. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] java vs. javascript - what's the difference?
Willie Wong wrote: On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 12:02:53PM -0600, Penguin Lover John Jolet squawked: _javascript_ is, in fact, not java. typically, in the context of web sites, java is run server-side and essentially returns html for your Not quite. Java applets are mostly run client side, with possibly a server-side counterpart for communications. browser to interpret. _javascript_, on the other hand, was, I believe, developed by netscape, not sun. they just called it that because it has some similarities with java. it is client-side, like microsoft's proprietary activex technology. Their response was probably fine, since there is, in fact, no java in _javascript_, despite the name. :) Oddly enough, I had no problems with the smith and noble website with firefox on my gentoo laptop...but that was a few months ago. Also, I can reproduce the error on http://www.smithandnoble.com/sn/photoGalleryDetail.jsp?catID=-14150 with firefox 1.0.7-r2 and mozilla-1.7.12-r2 _javascript_ Console on both shows the following: Error: document.frm_bundle.heroImage has no properties SourceFile: http://www.smithandnoble.com/sn/photoGalleryDetail.jsp?catID=-14150 line 114 For what it's worth, I believe those people reporting "success" might be trying the wrong page. The website redirects all deep-links to the front page. To reproduce the error, go to the frontpage of smith and noble, on the left hand side, click Photo Gallery. Choose an arbitrary gallery from the right when it appears, open up _javascript_ console from "Tools-_javascript_ console" in Firefox or "Tools-Web development-_javascript_ Console" in Mozilla. Click on one of the thumbnails on the right (the hyperlink should say "_javascript_.switchImage(2)"), and see the image fail to load. To the OP: that might also be one of the reasons your bug was marked invalid. They cannot reproduce the error from the description you gave. From my limited knowledge of _javascript_, I can't tell whether it is a badly written _javascript_ that parses in IE but not in Firefox, or Firefox not supporting the full "standard", or perhaps the site-designer used some IE-only extensions. I haven't tried Opera or Konqueror (don't have either installed). Any input? W I just tried it with Konqueror and it is even worse: they display a message stating that they only support IE and Netscape. Wich means Firefox should be ok. It does work for me with Firefox (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20051211 Firefox/1.0.7), but the _javascript_ console signals lots of warnings. Most likely, their _javascript_ is the culprit. As for the _javascript_ vs Java thing, they are two entirely different programing languages. Java is mostly used for bigger 'standalone' applications, when _javascript_ is mostly used to add behavior to web pages (open popups, disable form fields, etc...). Their names' similarity is misleading. My 0.02 Maxime
