Re: [Bulk] Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio
Am 23.04.2013 22:59, schrieb William Hubbs: On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 09:49:19AM +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote: Feel free to remove PA if you don't need it. I really don't see any scope for Lennart to make all of alsa redundant anytime soon (unlike udev...) Of course from many threads from a pro audio user called Ralf, Gentoo users and so a fraction of Linux users are the only ones lucky enough to be able to do that *easily* whilst keeping packages they want, especially Gnome ones! Im not a gnome user as of yet, but I can tell you that the day is coming (Gnome 3.8 I believe) when gnome will not work without PA, so you will have to install it if you want newer Gnome. William That's true, gnome3.8 will require you to install pulseaudio-2 Are you sure, I know there have been a couple of times in the past where Gnome has leaned towards Linux only but they have always steered clear eventually. I know of one guy who runs a network of hundreds of Gnome/OpenBSD machines that may wish to know about that as I think he is already getting fed up with the increasing amount of code he has to write in order to keep the port working. -- ___ 'Write programs that do one thing and do it well. Write programs to work together. Write programs to handle text streams, because that is a universal interface' (Doug McIlroy) ___
Re: [Bulk] Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio
Am 25.04.2013 22:10, schrieb Kevin Chadwick: Am 23.04.2013 22:59, schrieb William Hubbs: On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 09:49:19AM +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote: Feel free to remove PA if you don't need it. I really don't see any scope for Lennart to make all of alsa redundant anytime soon (unlike udev...) Of course from many threads from a pro audio user called Ralf, Gentoo users and so a fraction of Linux users are the only ones lucky enough to be able to do that *easily* whilst keeping packages they want, especially Gnome ones! Im not a gnome user as of yet, but I can tell you that the day is coming (Gnome 3.8 I believe) when gnome will not work without PA, so you will have to install it if you want newer Gnome. William That's true, gnome3.8 will require you to install pulseaudio-2 Are you sure, I know there have been a couple of times in the past where Gnome has leaned towards Linux only but they have always steered clear eventually. I know of one guy who runs a network of hundreds of Gnome/OpenBSD machines that may wish to know about that as I think he is already getting fed up with the increasing amount of code he has to write in order to keep the port working. Yes I'm sure, I have gnome 3.8 installed on my machine. gnome-settings-daemon and gnome-shell have hard deps on pulseaudio. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [Bulk] Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio
... (i) It's a sound server, a description I don't understand. What does it _do_? Why do I want it? It seems to be an unnecessary layer of fat between sound applications and the kernel. If you don't understand the term sound server you probably shouldn't be using Gentoo. When I'm watching a YouTube video I still want to hear my email client go bing or my chat program alert me of my buddy coming online. That's not possible if my web-browser has a hard-wired path into my soundcard and ain't letting go. Just throwing out there that users can or atleast could use alsa plugs to have multiple applications. I did that before pulseaudio came along to play nfs carbon under cedega and listen to music. Also I have never got around to looking into Jackd but isn't it meant to be by far the best. I know pro audio users use it and I have heard it is not the easiest to set up but is there any reason why it isn't the default setup. http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/JACK From a quick look at this jack can hook up multiple applications that seem to need to be set up individually. What's the scope for Jack a./ replacing pulseaudio b./ having a compat interface layer to make pulseaudio compatible apps talk to jack -- ___ 'Write programs that do one thing and do it well. Write programs to work together. Write programs to handle text streams, because that is a universal interface' (Doug McIlroy) ___
Re: [Bulk] Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio
On 04/18/2013 05:28 PM, Kevin Chadwick wrote: ... (i) It's a sound server, a description I don't understand. What does it _do_? Why do I want it? It seems to be an unnecessary layer of fat between sound applications and the kernel. If you don't understand the term sound server you probably shouldn't be using Gentoo. When I'm watching a YouTube video I still want to hear my email client go bing or my chat program alert me of my buddy coming online. That's not possible if my web-browser has a hard-wired path into my soundcard and ain't letting go. Just throwing out there that users can or atleast could use alsa plugs to have multiple applications. I did that before pulseaudio came along to play nfs carbon under cedega and listen to music. Still can. dmix is pretty cool. Still, that depends on applications not doing evil things with system audio. Flash (at least when I decided to get comfortable with PA) did evil things with system audio. Also I have never got around to looking into Jackd but isn't it meant to be by far the best. I know pro audio users use it and I have heard it is not the easiest to set up but is there any reason why it isn't the default setup. http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/JACK From a quick look at this jack can hook up multiple applications that seem to need to be set up individually. What's the scope for Jack a./ replacing pulseaudio b./ having a compat interface layer to make pulseaudio compatible apps talk to jack jackd would be awesome. It could be much, much easier for me to use than PA; my sound usage often goes beyond PA's ideal cases where they like to declare that things just work. Right now, PA is (somehow) bouncing back speaker audio back into application recording, despite my painstaking checking of the various defined places this is supposed to be controllable. Results in echoes in VOIP. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [Bulk] Re: [gentoo-user] Removing pulseaudio
I don't use wine. For a lot of good reasons. Name one. fat, slow and buggy. Do you need more? If I really had an application that I must use and is windows only - I would install windows. That is a lot quicker and less painful than that wine crapfest shitting all over the place. I agree with a lot of good reasons primarily around security but I have to say I don't agree with this. Wine is far faster that Virtualbox or rebooting. Take adding bookmarks to pdfs which I sorted out yesterday. Install foxit on windows copy the directory to wine (install failed for me) and bang, sorted. Perhaps the latest poppler and okular can do bookmarks properly now? but there are other commercial apps required thankfully falling one by one. -- ___ 'Write programs that do one thing and do it well. Write programs to work together. Write programs to handle text streams, because that is a universal interface' (Doug McIlroy) ___
