Re: [gentoo-user] [OT as it gets. Sorry] Windoze 7 and reinstalling error.
On 2012-02-02 12:04 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: Pretty much what I've got going for my grandmother. I had her working with Evolution and Firefox on XP Interesting... the last time (admittedly a *long* time ago) I tried Evolution on Windows it was totally unusable... Are you saying that it is now reasonably stable? How is its IMAP performance/capability as compared to Thunderbird?
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT as it gets. Sorry] Windoze 7 and reinstalling error.
On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: On 2012-02-02 12:04 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: Pretty much what I've got going for my grandmother. I had her working with Evolution and Firefox on XP Interesting... the last time (admittedly a *long* time ago) I tried Evolution on Windows it was totally unusable... Are you saying that it is now reasonably stable? How is its IMAP performance/capability as compared to Thunderbird? Thinko. Way back when, she was on Outlook+XP, IE+XP. We moved her to Thunderbird+XP, Firefox+XP. Then we moved her to Thunderbird+Linux, Firefox+Linux. Then we moved her to Evolution+Linux, because there was something I don't recall wrong with Thunderbird. She's pretty good with Evolution, now. -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT as it gets. Sorry] Windoze 7 and reinstalling error.
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 10:47 PM, Frank Steinmetzger war...@gmx.de wrote: On Wed, Feb 01, 2012 at 09:31:13PM -0500, Mike Edenfield wrote: From: Dale [mailto:rdalek1...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 8:06 PM Your reply made me think of something. I had a XP reinstall once that required a number from MS because of the new mobo and hard drive. They said it recognized the change in the serial numbers. When I ran into that before tho, it installed fine but gave 30 days to put in the number. Does winders 7 have something similar? That's the Product Key, being 5x5 characters in size *looking at sticker on bottom of laptop*. Once you entered the key, Windows activates itself online. If that fails (e.g. if you used the key too often or the key is blacklisted, etc), you can reactivate Windows via a phone call to MS. I *think* you get a grace period after that to re-activate your system but it's been a while since I had that happen to me. Incidentally, I have this very situation in a virtual XP right now. Once that grace period is over, it shuts you out completely. When I try to log in it tells me that I need to activate it before I can log in. My choices are to either enter a key into a dialog or to not do so, in which case I get thrown back to the login screen. Neat, huh. Windows 7 gives you some more leeway, in that it lets you log in to your desktop, but IIRC the background is blackened and all you can open is IE to open the MS site or summit like that. There is a command which can rearm the 30 days counter at most twice, as long as it hasn't run out yet. XP used to offer more leeway than you currently get, but there's a nasty version dependency sequence where you need a newer version of something (I forget what) in order to continue Windows Updates, but to install that newer version, you need to satisfy WGA, which I believe is the tool that forces you to activate before accessing a desktop. Which means getting a fully patched system before entering a key is difficult, if not impossible. Where I work, it had been recommended to us that we use the grace period to avoid burning our activation keys when we went to do testing of our software. Having WGA and the enter a key or forget about logging in misfeature land happened only a few weeks later. *sigh* -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT as it gets. Sorry] Windoze 7 and reinstalling error.
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 7:06 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Your reply made me think of something. I had a XP reinstall once that required a number from MS because of the new mobo and hard drive. They said it recognized the change in the serial numbers. When I ran into that before tho, it installed fine but gave 30 days to put in the number. Does winders 7 have something similar? When you install Windows 7, Vista or XP (SP3 or newer), you can actually skip the product key step and it'll install as a trial version (30-day? 90-day? something like that). You can then upgrade to the real version by activating it when you're comfortable that everything is working properly -- or don't activate it at all and install Gentoo. Trying to keep it on-topic. :)
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT as it gets. Sorry] Windoze 7 and reinstalling error.
On 2 February 2012 15:34, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 7:06 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Your reply made me think of something. I had a XP reinstall once that required a number from MS because of the new mobo and hard drive. They said it recognized the change in the serial numbers. When I ran into that before tho, it installed fine but gave 30 days to put in the number. Does winders 7 have something similar? When you install Windows 7, Vista or XP (SP3 or newer), you can actually skip the product key step and it'll install as a trial version (30-day? 90-day? something like that). You can then upgrade to the real version by activating it when you're comfortable that everything is working properly -- or don't activate it at all and install Gentoo. Trying to keep it on-topic. :) This problem isn't related to Activation (which a lot of people have been describing). Those errors tend to be pretty explicit. In my experience, Windows 7 is relatively lax at install-time, and will give you 30 days leeway before it demands a key (which may or may not require calling the hotline). I'd say that you've either been hit by; - An incorrect OEM disk that's checking the BIOS for some kind of Manufacturer flag (and not getting what it wants). - A BIOS setting that Win7 doesn't like working with (I think that IDE-compat/AHCI is a good avenue of approach). Mike's link looks good (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2466753) Also, install Linux, jeez :3
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT as it gets. Sorry] Windoze 7 and reinstalling error.
James Broadhead wrote: On 2 February 2012 15:34, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 7:06 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Your reply made me think of something. I had a XP reinstall once that required a number from MS because of the new mobo and hard drive. They said it recognized the change in the serial numbers. When I ran into that before tho, it installed fine but gave 30 days to put in the number. Does winders 7 have something similar? When you install Windows 7, Vista or XP (SP3 or newer), you can actually skip the product key step and it'll install as a trial version (30-day? 90-day? something like that). You can then upgrade to the real version by activating it when you're comfortable that everything is working properly -- or don't activate it at all and install Gentoo. Trying to keep it on-topic. :) This problem isn't related to Activation (which a lot of people have been describing). Those errors tend to be pretty explicit. In my experience, Windows 7 is relatively lax at install-time, and will give you 30 days leeway before it demands a key (which may or may not require calling the hotline). I'd say that you've either been hit by; - An incorrect OEM disk that's checking the BIOS for some kind of Manufacturer flag (and not getting what it wants). - A BIOS setting that Win7 doesn't like working with (I think that IDE-compat/AHCI is a good avenue of approach). Mike's link looks good (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2466753) Also, install Linux, jeez :3 I'm working on the Linux thing. He's warming up. It's like I told him, Firefox looks the same on Linux as it does on windoze. The differences between Linux, Kubuntu is what I am going for, and windoze is all under the hood. All they do is surf the web, check emails, and check on their banking stuff, maybe pay a bill or two. For what they do, Linux would be great. He's good enough on puters to upgrade Kubuntu too. It's just point and clicky anyway. Gentoo would be a bit much tho, unless I could build the packages here and install them there as binaries. I hope they get home soon. I want to check the BIOS settings. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT as it gets. Sorry] Windoze 7 and reinstalling error.
Paul Hartman wrote: On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 7:06 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Your reply made me think of something. I had a XP reinstall once that required a number from MS because of the new mobo and hard drive. They said it recognized the change in the serial numbers. When I ran into that before tho, it installed fine but gave 30 days to put in the number. Does winders 7 have something similar? When you install Windows 7, Vista or XP (SP3 or newer), you can actually skip the product key step and it'll install as a trial version (30-day? 90-day? something like that). You can then upgrade to the real version by activating it when you're comfortable that everything is working properly -- or don't activate it at all and install Gentoo. Trying to keep it on-topic. :) This whole thread is off topic as it gets. Fire away. Heck, talk about the weather. It could be more on topic than a Linux list talking about fixing a windoze install. ROFL Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT as it gets. Sorry] Windoze 7 and reinstalling error.
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: James Broadhead wrote: On 2 February 2012 15:34, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 7:06 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Your reply made me think of something. I had a XP reinstall once that required a number from MS because of the new mobo and hard drive. They said it recognized the change in the serial numbers. When I ran into that before tho, it installed fine but gave 30 days to put in the number. Does winders 7 have something similar? When you install Windows 7, Vista or XP (SP3 or newer), you can actually skip the product key step and it'll install as a trial version (30-day? 90-day? something like that). You can then upgrade to the real version by activating it when you're comfortable that everything is working properly -- or don't activate it at all and install Gentoo. Trying to keep it on-topic. :) This problem isn't related to Activation (which a lot of people have been describing). Those errors tend to be pretty explicit. In my experience, Windows 7 is relatively lax at install-time, and will give you 30 days leeway before it demands a key (which may or may not require calling the hotline). I'd say that you've either been hit by; - An incorrect OEM disk that's checking the BIOS for some kind of Manufacturer flag (and not getting what it wants). - A BIOS setting that Win7 doesn't like working with (I think that IDE-compat/AHCI is a good avenue of approach). Mike's link looks good (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2466753) Also, install Linux, jeez :3 I'm working on the Linux thing. He's warming up. It's like I told him, Firefox looks the same on Linux as it does on windoze. The differences between Linux, Kubuntu is what I am going for, and windoze is all under the hood. All they do is surf the web, check emails, and check on their banking stuff, maybe pay a bill or two. For what they do, Linux would be great. He's good enough on puters to upgrade Kubuntu too. It's just point and clicky anyway. Gentoo would be a bit much tho, unless I could build the packages here and install them there as binaries. I hope they get home soon. I want to check the BIOS settings. Pretty much what I've got going for my grandmother. I had her working with Evolution and Firefox on XP before we switched her over to the same on Easy Peasy. She's very comfortable with it, and even clicks on icons needed when it wants to update. -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT as it gets. Sorry] Windoze 7 and reinstalling error.
On Thu, Feb 02, 2012 at 11:01:16AM -0600, Dale wrote: This whole thread is off topic as it gets. Fire away. Heck, talk about the weather. It could be more on topic than a Linux list talking about fixing a windoze install. ROFL You started it. :-P Perhaps we should found a gentoo-user-ramble list. -- Gruß | Greetings | Qapla' I forbid any use of my email addresses with Facebook services. A hammer is a wonderful tool, but it is plain unsuitable for cleaning windows. (SelfHTML forum) pgpooSMkrVCkR.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT as it gets. Sorry] Windoze 7 and reinstalling error.
Paul Hartman wrote: On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Howdy, I got a neighbour that has a computer issue. First, the hard drive went out. We ordered a new one and installed it. Then he realized he didn't have the restore discs. We ordered those from Gateway. I went up today and tried to install winders 7 on the new drive. I put the system disc in and it booted. Then it asked for the recovery disc #1. It copied that over then asked for disc 2. After a bit it wanted the Language disc. Then it said to reboot and it spit out the DVD. When it reboots from the hard drive, it comes up and says it is setting up the hardware and it seems to finish it. Then a window pops up and says this: Windows Setup could not configure windows to run on this computers hardware. Be sure the BIOS is set to AHCI mode and not RAID/IDE/Legacy mode, if possible. If AHCI is not a choice, but choices are nonetheless available, try changing it to whatever the alternative setting is. The idea being that the driver it's trying to use is not working, so maybe the other driver will work long enough to boot and install updates, at which point you can change the setting back to what it was and give that a shot. Does the new HDD have 4k sectors? I think Windows 7 can't be installed on those without supplying an updated disk controller driver during installation. OK. The folks finally decided to come home. I checked the BIOS and it was set to AHCI mode, mobo is not RAID capable. I changed it to IDE. It still wouldn't boot so I just reinstalled it again, just in case. It installed fine, rebooted and did all its setup crap just fine and when I left, it was downloading 94 fixer uppers. So, if someone runs into that error, check the drive mode settings and switch it. Now watch him want me to install Linux next week and get rid of winders. lol Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT as it gets. Sorry] Windoze 7 and reinstalling error.
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Howdy, I got a neighbour that has a computer issue. First, the hard drive went out. We ordered a new one and installed it. Then he realized he didn't have the restore discs. We ordered those from Gateway. I went up today and tried to install winders 7 on the new drive. I put the system disc in and it booted. Then it asked for the recovery disc #1. It copied that over then asked for disc 2. After a bit it wanted the Language disc. Then it said to reboot and it spit out the DVD. When it reboots from the hard drive, it comes up and says it is setting up the hardware and it seems to finish it. Then a window pops up and says this: Windows Setup could not configure windows to run on this computers hardware. Be sure the BIOS is set to AHCI mode and not RAID/IDE/Legacy mode, if possible. If AHCI is not a choice, but choices are nonetheless available, try changing it to whatever the alternative setting is. The idea being that the driver it's trying to use is not working, so maybe the other driver will work long enough to boot and install updates, at which point you can change the setting back to what it was and give that a shot. Does the new HDD have 4k sectors? I think Windows 7 can't be installed on those without supplying an updated disk controller driver during installation.
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT as it gets. Sorry] Windoze 7 and reinstalling error.
Paul Hartman wrote: On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Howdy, I got a neighbour that has a computer issue. First, the hard drive went out. We ordered a new one and installed it. Then he realized he didn't have the restore discs. We ordered those from Gateway. I went up today and tried to install winders 7 on the new drive. I put the system disc in and it booted. Then it asked for the recovery disc #1. It copied that over then asked for disc 2. After a bit it wanted the Language disc. Then it said to reboot and it spit out the DVD. When it reboots from the hard drive, it comes up and says it is setting up the hardware and it seems to finish it. Then a window pops up and says this: Windows Setup could not configure windows to run on this computers hardware. Be sure the BIOS is set to AHCI mode and not RAID/IDE/Legacy mode, if possible. If AHCI is not a choice, but choices are nonetheless available, try changing it to whatever the alternative setting is. The idea being that the driver it's trying to use is not working, so maybe the other driver will work long enough to boot and install updates, at which point you can change the setting back to what it was and give that a shot. Does the new HDD have 4k sectors? I think Windows 7 can't be installed on those without supplying an updated disk controller driver during installation. Your reply made me think of something. I had a XP reinstall once that required a number from MS because of the new mobo and hard drive. They said it recognized the change in the serial numbers. When I ran into that before tho, it installed fine but gave 30 days to put in the number. Does winders 7 have something similar? I'll check into your idea tomorrow tho. I hadn't even thought about that. I got the closest drive to it that I could find but I'm sure there is a difference. Thanks much for the idea. Still open to more ideas tho. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n
RE: [gentoo-user] [OT as it gets. Sorry] Windoze 7 and reinstalling error.
From: Dale [mailto:rdalek1...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:39 PM Howdy, I got a neighbour that has a computer issue. First, the hard drive went out. We ordered a new one and installed it. Then he realized he didn't have the restore discs. We ordered those from Gateway. I went up today and tried to install winders 7 on the new drive. I put the system disc in and it booted. Then it asked for the recovery disc #1. It copied that over then asked for disc 2. After a bit it wanted the Language disc. Then it said to reboot and it spit out the DVD. When it reboots from the hard drive, it comes up and says it is setting up the hardware and it seems to finish it. Then a window pops up and says this: Windows Setup could not configure windows to run on this computers hardware. Does this help? http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2466753 You may have accidentially set the new drive in the BIOS as RAID: the KB article has steps to find the error logs and get more details.
RE: [gentoo-user] [OT as it gets. Sorry] Windoze 7 and reinstalling error.
From: Dale [mailto:rdalek1...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 8:06 PM Your reply made me think of something. I had a XP reinstall once that required a number from MS because of the new mobo and hard drive. They said it recognized the change in the serial numbers. When I ran into that before tho, it installed fine but gave 30 days to put in the number. Does winders 7 have something similar? Yes but that has nothing to do with your problem. If you change your hardware too much, it will deactivate your license, but you'll get a pretty clear error about that being the problem. I *think* you get a grace period after that to re-activate your system but it's been a while since I had that happen to me. --Mike
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT as it gets. Sorry] Windoze 7 and reinstalling error.
Mike Edenfield wrote: From: Dale [mailto:rdalek1...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:39 PM Howdy, I got a neighbour that has a computer issue. First, the hard drive went out. We ordered a new one and installed it. Then he realized he didn't have the restore discs. We ordered those from Gateway. I went up today and tried to install winders 7 on the new drive. I put the system disc in and it booted. Then it asked for the recovery disc #1. It copied that over then asked for disc 2. After a bit it wanted the Language disc. Then it said to reboot and it spit out the DVD. When it reboots from the hard drive, it comes up and says it is setting up the hardware and it seems to finish it. Then a window pops up and says this: Windows Setup could not configure windows to run on this computers hardware. Does this help? http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2466753 You may have accidentially set the new drive in the BIOS as RAID: the KB article has steps to find the error logs and get more details. Printed that page to try tomorrow. I didn't change anything in the BIOS tho. It saw the drive right off. I even used the same cable and power plug as the old drive so it sees them as C: or whatever. I bet it has something to do with AHCI or IDE settings tho. I hope that is it. After I get the install done, I can then upgrade the drivers and switch it back. Thanks for the help. I got a couple things to try tomorrow. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT as it gets. Sorry] Windoze 7 and reinstalling error.
Mike Edenfield wrote: From: Dale [mailto:rdalek1...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 8:06 PM Your reply made me think of something. I had a XP reinstall once that required a number from MS because of the new mobo and hard drive. They said it recognized the change in the serial numbers. When I ran into that before tho, it installed fine but gave 30 days to put in the number. Does winders 7 have something similar? Yes but that has nothing to do with your problem. If you change your hardware too much, it will deactivate your license, but you'll get a pretty clear error about that being the problem. I *think* you get a grace period after that to re-activate your system but it's been a while since I had that happen to me. --Mike That is what XP did that time. This is the first time installing anything newer than XP tho. I did notice the install process sort of changed. I started to send a message to Gateway but it is out of warranty. I don't know if they charge for help or not but I wouldn't be surprised if they do. Thanks for all the help. If anyone has other ideas, post away. I will test them tomorrow. Have I ever mentioned I hate winders? lol Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n
RE: [gentoo-user] [OT as it gets. Sorry] Windoze 7 and reinstalling error.
From: Dale [mailto:rdalek1...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 9:43 PM Mike Edenfield wrote: From: Dale [mailto:rdalek1...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:39 PM Howdy, I got a neighbour that has a computer issue. First, the hard drive went out. We ordered a new one and installed it. Then he realized he didn't have the restore discs. We ordered those from Gateway. I went up today and tried to install winders 7 on the new drive. I put the system disc in and it booted. Then it asked for the recovery disc #1. It copied that over then asked for disc 2. After a bit it wanted the Language disc. Then it said to reboot and it spit out the DVD. When it reboots from the hard drive, it comes up and says it is setting up the hardware and it seems to finish it. Then a window pops up and says this: Windows Setup could not configure windows to run on this computers hardware. Does this help? http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2466753 You may have accidentially set the new drive in the BIOS as RAID: the KB article has steps to find the error logs and get more details. Printed that page to try tomorrow. I didn't change anything in the BIOS tho. It saw the drive right off. I even used the same cable and power plug as the old drive so it sees them as C: or whatever. I bet it has something to do with AHCI or IDE settings tho. I hope that is it. After I get the install done, I can then upgrade the drivers and switch it back. Make sure you check the ACHI setting before you install Windows: it's a pain in the butt to change the settings later because Windows disables the ACHI driver if it's not in use, and you have to manually re-enable it or your boot will fail. (Kinda like having to enable the module for your root drive). Of course, if you get it wrong you just lose some performance but it's easy enough to just check first :) --Mike
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT as it gets. Sorry] Windoze 7 and reinstalling error.
On Wed, Feb 01, 2012 at 09:31:13PM -0500, Mike Edenfield wrote: From: Dale [mailto:rdalek1...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 8:06 PM Your reply made me think of something. I had a XP reinstall once that required a number from MS because of the new mobo and hard drive. They said it recognized the change in the serial numbers. When I ran into that before tho, it installed fine but gave 30 days to put in the number. Does winders 7 have something similar? That's the Product Key, being 5x5 characters in size *looking at sticker on bottom of laptop*. Once you entered the key, Windows activates itself online. If that fails (e.g. if you used the key too often or the key is blacklisted, etc), you can reactivate Windows via a phone call to MS. I *think* you get a grace period after that to re-activate your system but it's been a while since I had that happen to me. Incidentally, I have this very situation in a virtual XP right now. Once that grace period is over, it shuts you out completely. When I try to log in it tells me that I need to activate it before I can log in. My choices are to either enter a key into a dialog or to not do so, in which case I get thrown back to the login screen. Neat, huh. Windows 7 gives you some more leeway, in that it lets you log in to your desktop, but IIRC the background is blackened and all you can open is IE to open the MS site or summit like that. There is a command which can rearm the 30 days counter at most twice, as long as it hasn't run out yet. -- Gruß | Greetings | Qapla' I forbid any use of my email addresses with Facebook services. In order for more and more people having to do even less, less and less people have to do even more. pgp5qt5PKaB2E.pgp Description: PGP signature
