Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo Live 11.0
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 9:05 AM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Walter Dnes waltdnes at waltdnes.org writes: WINE, which runs some Windows apps, will not build on a 64-bit system without multilib support. I found that out the hard way after installing pure 64-bit on my machine. Rather than wipe+reinstall, I ended up installing a 32-bit Gentoo guest under qemu-kvm, and installed WINE on that. Walter, You have confused me. First you indicate that multilib is needed for WINE. Then you indicate that you had to use the 32 bit mixed mode (no multilib) under qemu-kvm, and and then install WINE under the 32 bit qemu. So if you were installing a system, just to run wine, would it be multilib or hybrid (64 and 32 bit) ? James James, 1) Wine is 32-bit 2) Walter had a 64-bit only system 3) Walter had 2 choices: a) Wipe the system and start over making it a multi-lib system b) Create a 32-bit chroot He chose b). It's not possible to 'install a system to ONLY run Wine', but if you want to run Windows apps you have 3 choices: 1) Install 32-bit Gentoo on your 64-bit hardware. Not very interesting to me. 2) Install 64-bit Gentoo with multi-lib support. This is what I do, although I don't run Wine anymore as I use Vbox VMware. 3) Install 64-bit Gentoo without multi-lib support and run which in a 32-bit chroot. Double the Gentoo maintenance because you are now required to keep both the 32-bit 64-bit installs up-to-date. Hope this help.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo Live 11.0
On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 09:24:28 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: So if you were installing a system, just to run wine, would it be multilib or hybrid (64 and 32 bit) ? There's no such thing as a hybrid system. Multilib is what you need to run 32 bit software. 1) Wine is 32-bit 2) Walter had a 64-bit only system 3) Walter had 2 choices: a) Wipe the system and start over making it a multi-lib system b) Create a 32-bit chroot Actually, he set up a 32-bit VM, in which case he may have been able to do c) Install Windows in the VM. -- Neil Bothwick Fer sail cheep, Windows spel chekcer, wurks grate signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo Live 11.0
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 09:24:28 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: So if you were installing a system, just to run wine, would it be multilib or hybrid (64 and 32 bit) ? There's no such thing as a hybrid system. Multilib is what you need to run 32 bit software. 1) Wine is 32-bit 2) Walter had a 64-bit only system 3) Walter had 2 choices: a) Wipe the system and start over making it a multi-lib system b) Create a 32-bit chroot Actually, he set up a 32-bit VM, in which case he may have been able to do c) Install Windows in the VM. -- Neil Bothwick OK, that's a different reading of his words. You are likely correct, and that's identical to what I do using VMWare to run 32-bit XP or Virtualbox to run 64-bit Win 7. No reason for VMWare other than it's the one I started with. I've found over the last year I prefer Virtualbox. Cheers, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo Live 11.0
On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 10:59 AM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: SNIP it would seem that the 32ul-11.0.iso version would be the one to run 32 bit software on? SNIP I cannot speak for the LiveDVD as I've not tried it but remember there are still lots of older machines running 32-processors in them that need a 32-bit only DVD to install at all. I suspect the purpose of the 32-bit DVD is to support those boxes. As evidence of the growth of 64-bit machines in at least the vocal part of the Gentoo users (those using the user's lists) I started running 64-bit Gentoo about 5-6 years and at this time no longer even own any (working) 32-bit machines. Up until about 3 years ago the Gentoo amd64 list had all the 64-bit specific question traffic. As of today that list is almost totally quiet implying that nearly all 64-bit users are just using this list and most folks see no distinction anymore. If that's true then it's easy to forget that there may be lots of quiet 32-bit users still out there. - Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo Live 11.0
On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 17:59:09 + (UTC), James wrote: There's no such thing as a hybrid system. Multilib is what you need to run 32 bit software. Right; that's just the name used to describe the other than multilib liveDVD. Ah, (like turning on) I see that multilib is the 64+32 bit version. I now do not understand why 'hybrid was used at all... oh well. We've already covered this; the term hybrid is used to describe a dual boot DVD for x86 and x86_64 systems. -- Neil Bothwick Love is grand. Divorce is a few grand more. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo Live 11.0
On 03/17/2011 11:41 AM, Mark Knecht wrote: On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 10:59 AM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: SNIP it would seem that the 32ul-11.0.iso version would be the one to run 32 bit software on? SNIP I cannot speak for the LiveDVD as I've not tried it but remember there are still lots of older machines running 32-processors in them that need a 32-bit only DVD to install at all. I suspect the purpose of the 32-bit DVD is to support those boxes. As evidence of the growth of 64-bit machines in at least the vocal part of the Gentoo users (those using the user's lists) I started running 64-bit Gentoo about 5-6 years and at this time no longer even own any (working) 32-bit machines. Up until about 3 years ago the Gentoo amd64 list had all the 64-bit specific question traffic. As of today that list is almost totally quiet implying that nearly all 64-bit users are just using this list and most folks see no distinction anymore. If that's true then it's easy to forget that there may be lots of quiet 32-bit users still out there. I'll second your comments, Mark. I now have only my trusty Dell 600SC still running 32-bit but that's only because that's all it can do. Had it a 64-bit CPU I would be completely devoid of the 32-bit platform on any of my personal machines. I have to remember, now, when I am working on that machine, that *it* is now the one-off machine, not the other way around like it had been three years ago. All in all, I'd have to say that the move from 32 to 64 has gone rather painlessly on Gentoo, so, hat's off to the folks on this list and all the Gentoo devs.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo Live 11.0
On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:52:25PM +, James wrote OK Mark and Neil. I got the picture. I'll flush this out as I do seem to still have some 32bit apps on the 64bit AMD systems. Most likely I can get rid of these. WINE, which runs some Windows apps, will not build on a 64-bit system without multilib support. I found that out the hard way after installing pure 64-bit on my machine. Rather than wipe+reinstall, I ended up installing a 32-bit Gentoo guest under qemu-kvm, and installed WINE on that. -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo Live 11.0
On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 7:55 AM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Mark Knecht markknecht at gmail.com writes: Hybrid runs on either 32-bit or 64-bit hardware. MultilLib requires 64-bit hardware. Thanks Mark, Yep, got that. There is no hybrid profile? Not that I can find. Is what about all those 32 bit goodies like plugins window-compatibility-software etc etc? Generally yes, or that's my understanding. So the only real question is does my amd64 machines need hybrid in some circumstances, like depending of the software that I run? If so, is there a listing of software that needs the 32 bit support? Yes, it's based on the software_ you_ choose to install. I may be wrong but I think a default Gentoo 64-bit install to the level of @system booting the machine and little at all in /var/lib/portage/world won't install the 32-bit emulation libraries. Run eix -I emul-linux-x86 to see which ones you have installed and equery depends to see what packages depend on each one you do have installed. (If any) Hope this helps, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo Live 11.0
On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 14:55:57 + (UTC), James wrote: Yep, got that. There is no hybrid profile? Not that I can find. It's not a hybrid in that sense, it's a dual boot DVD with 32 bit and 64 bit software. You choose whether to boot a 32 bit or 64 bit system each time. -- Neil Bothwick Found my .sig, it was in behind the cushion on the settee. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
