Re: [gentoo-user] Re: udev + /usr
On Wednesday 21 Sep 2011 00:47:50 Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:13:36 +0100 James Broadheadjamesbroadh...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 September 2011 15:22, Alan McKinnonalan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: :-) Example: Try run a browser on that Amiga. I doubt it would even manage to display the Gentoo logo at http://www.gentoo.org. And forget all about playing music. As requested: http://i.imgur.com/WbQHa.jpg Wise-ass :-) But, that keyboard. As battered as it is, it still has a suspiciously Model M look about it Is that a old timey typewriter under there? It sure looks like one. 20th century anyone? lol I'm talking about under the desktop itself not the keyboard on the older puter. It's called a back up, for use when the Amiga starts playing up! -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: udev + /usr
On 19 September 2011 15:22, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: :-) Example: Try run a browser on that Amiga. I doubt it would even manage to display the Gentoo logo at http://www.gentoo.org. And forget all about playing music. As requested: http://i.imgur.com/WbQHa.jpg
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: udev + /usr
On Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:13:36 +0100 James Broadhead jamesbroadh...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 September 2011 15:22, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: :-) Example: Try run a browser on that Amiga. I doubt it would even manage to display the Gentoo logo at http://www.gentoo.org. And forget all about playing music. As requested: http://i.imgur.com/WbQHa.jpg Wise-ass :-) But, that keyboard. As battered as it is, it still has a suspiciously Model M look about it -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: udev + /usr
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:13:36 +0100 James Broadheadjamesbroadh...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 September 2011 15:22, Alan McKinnonalan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: :-) Example: Try run a browser on that Amiga. I doubt it would even manage to display the Gentoo logo at http://www.gentoo.org. And forget all about playing music. As requested: http://i.imgur.com/WbQHa.jpg Wise-ass :-) But, that keyboard. As battered as it is, it still has a suspiciously Model M look about it Is that a old timey typewriter under there? It sure looks like one. 20th century anyone? lol I'm talking about under the desktop itself not the keyboard on the older puter. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: udev + /usr
On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 10:30:41 +0200 Nicolas Sebrecht nsebre...@piing.fr wrote: The 17/09/11, pk wrote: dbus is installed in my system, but only because I run Xfce4 (I am thinking of installing something else due to it's becoming bloated just like gnome). And I have -dbus in my global make.conf. PS. I am quite astonished at the fact that I have a computer that is _way_ faster than the first machine I installed GNU/Linux (an Amiga 4000 with a 68040 cpu at 40Mhz) on but the experience is still the same; it takes about the same time to boot, the same time (or even slower) to load a program. It seems the faster the computer the more I have to wait for it to finish some task. Contradictory, no? Wonder why that is... (bloat?). Believe it or not but I bet you're not doing the same tasks with your modern machine and could just not run the user-end software you use today on a Amiga 4000 with a 68040 cpu at 40Mhz because they learn new feature since then. :-) Example: Try run a browser on that Amiga. I doubt it would even manage to display the Gentoo logo at http://www.gentoo.org. And forget all about playing music. -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: udev + /usr
On Monday, 19. September 2011 16:22:31 Alan McKinnon wrote: On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 10:30:41 +0200 Nicolas Sebrecht nsebre...@piing.fr wrote: The 17/09/11, pk wrote: dbus is installed in my system, but only because I run Xfce4 (I am thinking of installing something else due to it's becoming bloated just like gnome). And I have -dbus in my global make.conf. PS. I am quite astonished at the fact that I have a computer that is _way_ faster than the first machine I installed GNU/Linux (an Amiga 4000 with a 68040 cpu at 40Mhz) on but the experience is still the same; it takes about the same time to boot, the same time (or even slower) to load a program. It seems the faster the computer the more I have to wait for it to finish some task. Contradictory, no? Wonder why that is... (bloat?). Believe it or not but I bet you're not doing the same tasks with your modern machine and could just not run the user-end software you use today on a Amiga 4000 with a 68040 cpu at 40Mhz because they learn new feature since then. : :-) Example: Try run a browser on that Amiga. I doubt it would even manage to display the Gentoo logo at http://www.gentoo.org. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origyn_Web_Browser And forget all about playing music. Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: udev + /usr
Am Montag 19 September 2011, 16:41:08 schrieb Michael Schreckenbauer: On Monday, 19. September 2011 16:22:31 Alan McKinnon wrote: On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 10:30:41 +0200 Nicolas Sebrecht nsebre...@piing.fr wrote: The 17/09/11, pk wrote: dbus is installed in my system, but only because I run Xfce4 (I am thinking of installing something else due to it's becoming bloated just like gnome). And I have -dbus in my global make.conf. PS. I am quite astonished at the fact that I have a computer that is _way_ faster than the first machine I installed GNU/Linux (an Amiga 4000 with a 68040 cpu at 40Mhz) on but the experience is still the same; it takes about the same time to boot, the same time (or even slower) to load a program. It seems the faster the computer the more I have to wait for it to finish some task. Contradictory, no? Wonder why that is... (bloat?). Believe it or not but I bet you're not doing the same tasks with your modern machine and could just not run the user-end software you use today on a Amiga 4000 with a 68040 cpu at 40Mhz because they learn new feature since then. : :-) Example: Try run a browser on that Amiga. I doubt it would even manage to display the Gentoo logo at http://www.gentoo.org. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origyn_Web_Browser and I am sure that it will display pngs and jpegs with full colours just fine. I am sure displaying 2 or 4 MP pictures will be working great. Just like the mpeg4 you are trying to watch. Or the ogv. And forget all about playing music. well, the amiga can play mp3. But don't expect it to be usable for anything else while doing so. So watching a music video while having a douzend wikipedia-tabs open and a mailbox with 6 mails replying to one? No, not really. -- #163933
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: udev + /usr
On Monday, 19. September 2011 18:36:18 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am Montag 19 September 2011, 16:41:08 schrieb Michael Schreckenbauer: On Monday, 19. September 2011 16:22:31 Alan McKinnon wrote: On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 10:30:41 +0200 Nicolas Sebrecht nsebre...@piing.fr wrote: The 17/09/11, pk wrote: dbus is installed in my system, but only because I run Xfce4 (I am thinking of installing something else due to it's becoming bloated just like gnome). And I have -dbus in my global make.conf. PS. I am quite astonished at the fact that I have a computer that is _way_ faster than the first machine I installed GNU/Linux (an Amiga 4000 with a 68040 cpu at 40Mhz) on but the experience is still the same; it takes about the same time to boot, the same time (or even slower) to load a program. It seems the faster the computer the more I have to wait for it to finish some task. Contradictory, no? Wonder why that is... (bloat?). Believe it or not but I bet you're not doing the same tasks with your modern machine and could just not run the user-end software you use today on a Amiga 4000 with a 68040 cpu at 40Mhz because they learn new feature since then. : :-) Example: Try run a browser on that Amiga. I doubt it would even manage to display the Gentoo logo at http://www.gentoo.org. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origyn_Web_Browser and I am sure that it will display pngs and jpegs with full colours just fine. I am sure displaying 2 or 4 MP pictures will be working great. Just like the mpeg4 you are trying to watch. Or the ogv. I don't think so :) But it is a web-browser, that runs on classic amiga os and I really think, that it can display http://www.gentoo.org just fine. Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: udev + /usr
Am Montag 19 September 2011, 19:25:28 schrieb Michael Schreckenbauer: On Monday, 19. September 2011 18:36:18 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am Montag 19 September 2011, 16:41:08 schrieb Michael Schreckenbauer: On Monday, 19. September 2011 16:22:31 Alan McKinnon wrote: On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 10:30:41 +0200 Nicolas Sebrecht nsebre...@piing.fr wrote: The 17/09/11, pk wrote: dbus is installed in my system, but only because I run Xfce4 (I am thinking of installing something else due to it's becoming bloated just like gnome). And I have -dbus in my global make.conf. PS. I am quite astonished at the fact that I have a computer that is _way_ faster than the first machine I installed GNU/Linux (an Amiga 4000 with a 68040 cpu at 40Mhz) on but the experience is still the same; it takes about the same time to boot, the same time (or even slower) to load a program. It seems the faster the computer the more I have to wait for it to finish some task. Contradictory, no? Wonder why that is... (bloat?). Believe it or not but I bet you're not doing the same tasks with your modern machine and could just not run the user-end software you use today on a Amiga 4000 with a 68040 cpu at 40Mhz because they learn new feature since then. : :-) Example: Try run a browser on that Amiga. I doubt it would even manage to display the Gentoo logo at http://www.gentoo.org. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origyn_Web_Browser and I am sure that it will display pngs and jpegs with full colours just fine. I am sure displaying 2 or 4 MP pictures will be working great. Just like the mpeg4 you are trying to watch. Or the ogv. I don't think so :) But it is a web-browser, that runs on classic amiga os and I really think, that it can display http://www.gentoo.org just fine. so can lynx. Does it make it usefull with todays internet? There are more pages than just gentoo.org - The Sun for example or CNN or other high quality sites. -- #163933
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: udev + /usr
On Monday, 19. September 2011 19:43:50 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am Montag 19 September 2011, 19:25:28 schrieb Michael Schreckenbauer: On Monday, 19. September 2011 18:36:18 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am Montag 19 September 2011, 16:41:08 schrieb Michael Schreckenbauer: On Monday, 19. September 2011 16:22:31 Alan McKinnon wrote: On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 10:30:41 +0200 Nicolas Sebrecht nsebre...@piing.fr wrote: The 17/09/11, pk wrote: dbus is installed in my system, but only because I run Xfce4 (I am thinking of installing something else due to it's becoming bloated just like gnome). And I have -dbus in my global make.conf. PS. I am quite astonished at the fact that I have a computer that is _way_ faster than the first machine I installed GNU/Linux (an Amiga 4000 with a 68040 cpu at 40Mhz) on but the experience is still the same; it takes about the same time to boot, the same time (or even slower) to load a program. It seems the faster the computer the more I have to wait for it to finish some task. Contradictory, no? Wonder why that is... (bloat?). Believe it or not but I bet you're not doing the same tasks with your modern machine and could just not run the user-end software you use today on a Amiga 4000 with a 68040 cpu at 40Mhz because they learn new feature since then. : :-) Example: Try run a browser on that Amiga. I doubt it would even manage to display the Gentoo logo at http://www.gentoo.org. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origyn_Web_Browser and I am sure that it will display pngs and jpegs with full colours just fine. I am sure displaying 2 or 4 MP pictures will be working great. Just like the mpeg4 you are trying to watch. Or the ogv. I don't think so :) But it is a web-browser, that runs on classic amiga os and I really think, that it can display http://www.gentoo.org just fine. so can lynx. Does it make it usefull with todays internet? There are more pages than just gentoo.org - The Sun for example or CNN or other high quality sites. Yes, I agree. You seem to miss the point of my post completely. Best, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: udev + /usr
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am Montag 19 September 2011, 19:25:28 schrieb Michael Schreckenbauer: On Monday, 19. September 2011 18:36:18 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am Montag 19 September 2011, 16:41:08 schrieb Michael Schreckenbauer: On Monday, 19. September 2011 16:22:31 Alan McKinnon wrote: On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 10:30:41 +0200 Nicolas Sebrecht nsebre...@piing.fr wrote: The 17/09/11, pk wrote: dbus is installed in my system, but only because I run Xfce4 (I am thinking of installing something else due to it's becoming bloated just like gnome). And I have -dbus in my global make.conf. PS. I am quite astonished at the fact that I have a computer that is _way_ faster than the first machine I installed GNU/Linux (an Amiga 4000 with a 68040 cpu at 40Mhz) on but the experience is still the same; it takes about the same time to boot, the same time (or even slower) to load a program. It seems the faster the computer the more I have to wait for it to finish some task. Contradictory, no? Wonder why that is... (bloat?). Believe it or not but I bet you're not doing the same tasks with your modern machine and could just not run the user-end software you use today on a Amiga 4000 with a 68040 cpu at 40Mhz because they learn new feature since then. : :-) Example: Try run a browser on that Amiga. I doubt it would even manage to display the Gentoo logo at http://www.gentoo.org. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origyn_Web_Browser and I am sure that it will display pngs and jpegs with full colours just fine. I am sure displaying 2 or 4 MP pictures will be working great. Just like the mpeg4 you are trying to watch. Or the ogv. I don't think so :) But it is a web-browser, that runs on classic amiga os and I really think, that it can display http://www.gentoo.org just fine. so can lynx. Does it make it usefull with todays internet? There are more pages than just gentoo.org - The Sun for example or CNN or other high quality sites. Did you even read the WP link noted? -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: udev + /usr
On 2011-09-19 16:22, Alan McKinnon wrote: Try run a browser on that Amiga. I doubt it would even manage to display the Gentoo logo at http://www.gentoo.org. Actually, I used Mosaic to surf the web and then moved on to a browser called IBrowse (then Voyager...). Worked like a charm (esp. considering the relatively low intensity home pages at the time in the beginning of the 90'ies - via a 14400 bit modem...). Of course flash can bring even modern hardware to it's knees (yes, I'm allergic to that too). And forget all about playing music. Actually, it did play music surprisingly well considering it's capabilities (8-bit sound, 4 channels etc.)... I could even play videos (though very low resolution compared to todays standards). :-) Best regards Peter K
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: udev + /usr
On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 19:43:50 +0200 Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: But it is a web-browser, that runs on classic amiga os and I really think, that it can display http://www.gentoo.org just fine. so can lynx. Does it make it usefull with todays internet? There are more pages than just gentoo.org - The Sun for example or CNN or other high quality sites. The Sun, CNN and high quality site do not belong in the same sentence. Unless you were juxtaposing the first two against the third -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: udev + /usr
Am Montag 19 September 2011, 21:12:57 schrieb Alan McKinnon: On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 19:43:50 +0200 Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: But it is a web-browser, that runs on classic amiga os and I really think, that it can display http://www.gentoo.org just fine. so can lynx. Does it make it usefull with todays internet? There are more pages than just gentoo.org - The Sun for example or CNN or other high quality sites. The Sun, CNN and high quality site do not belong in the same sentence. Unless you were juxtaposing the first two against the third see them as prime examples of how fucked up a 'news' web site can be. Just to be 'great' they generate a lot of load - for no valuable content whatsoever. But they have their readership so either there are billions of idiots out there or there is some hidden joke in this mess that I am unable to grasp. -- #163933
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: udev + /usr
On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 22:46:33 +0200 Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am Montag 19 September 2011, 21:12:57 schrieb Alan McKinnon: On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 19:43:50 +0200 Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: But it is a web-browser, that runs on classic amiga os and I really think, that it can display http://www.gentoo.org just fine. so can lynx. Does it make it usefull with todays internet? There are more pages than just gentoo.org - The Sun for example or CNN or other high quality sites. The Sun, CNN and high quality site do not belong in the same sentence. Unless you were juxtaposing the first two against the third see them as prime examples of how fucked up a 'news' web site can be. Just to be 'great' they generate a lot of load - for no valuable content whatsoever. But they have their readership so either there are billions of idiots out there or there is some hidden joke in this mess that I am unable to grasp. Or you're wired different, just like 3 out of 4 (at least) folks on this here mailing list. -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: udev + /usr
On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 19:43:50 +0200 Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am Montag 19 September 2011, 19:25:28 schrieb Michael Schreckenbauer: On Monday, 19. September 2011 18:36:18 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am Montag 19 September 2011, 16:41:08 schrieb Michael Schreckenbauer: On Monday, 19. September 2011 16:22:31 Alan McKinnon wrote: On Mon, 19 Sep 2011 10:30:41 +0200 Nicolas Sebrecht nsebre...@piing.fr wrote: The 17/09/11, pk wrote: dbus is installed in my system, but only because I run Xfce4 (I am thinking of installing something else due to it's becoming bloated just like gnome). And I have -dbus in my global make.conf. PS. I am quite astonished at the fact that I have a computer that is _way_ faster than the first machine I installed GNU/Linux (an Amiga 4000 with a 68040 cpu at 40Mhz) on but the experience is still the same; it takes about the same time to boot, the same time (or even slower) to load a program. It seems the faster the computer the more I have to wait for it to finish some task. Contradictory, no? Wonder why that is... (bloat?). Believe it or not but I bet you're not doing the same tasks with your modern machine and could just not run the user-end software you use today on a Amiga 4000 with a 68040 cpu at 40Mhz because they learn new feature since then. : :-) Example: Try run a browser on that Amiga. I doubt it would even manage to display the Gentoo logo at http://www.gentoo.org. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origyn_Web_Browser and I am sure that it will display pngs and jpegs with full colours just fine. I am sure displaying 2 or 4 MP pictures will be working great. Just like the mpeg4 you are trying to watch. Or the ogv. I don't think so :) But it is a web-browser, that runs on classic amiga os and I really think, that it can display http://www.gentoo.org just fine. so can lynx. Does it make it usefull with todays internet? There are more pages than just gentoo.org - The Sun for example or CNN or other high quality sites. I still find lynx quite useful, though obviously not useful enough to use as my only browser. Until they got bought out by Wells Fargo, Wachovia's banking site worked in lynx. It was the reason I chose to bank with them. :) -- caveat utilitor
