Re: [gentoo-user] Something weird and I'm confused. BIOS and SATA is empty
On Friday, November 11, 2011 08:48:42 AM Dale wrote: J. Roeleveld wrote: On Tue, November 8, 2011 10:33 am, Dale wrote: The only report that raccoon will give is a bright flash of light. Shorting out 250,000 volts sort of puts a period on the end of the briefest report there has ever been. Those lines are the TVA lines that come from a few hundred miles away. There is no telling how much power comes through those lines either. Heck, even one amp is a lot. That raccoon better get a new plan. The current one is shockingly the wrong way to do it. lol Plus I hate when the lights go out. Winter is about here and we have electric heat. :/ Nah, no new plan needed. The raccoon that physically caused the problem was a convicted criminal. (For refusing to cause havoc) and was sentenced to death by electrocution. The specific location was picked by the actual scientist running the experiments. -- Joost Now that you mention it, maybe they will run out of test subjects. o_O They're currently in the middle of negotiations to take over the penal system of the rabbits ;) Once they get that contract, they'll have a really steady supply. -- Joost
Re: [gentoo-user] Something weird and I'm confused. BIOS and SATA is empty
Joost Roeleveld wrote: On Friday, November 11, 2011 08:48:42 AM Dale wrote: Now that you mention it, maybe they will run out of test subjects. o_O They're currently in the middle of negotiations to take over the penal system of the rabbits ;) Once they get that contract, they'll have a really steady supply. -- Joost Oh no, not rabbits. We may never have power again. :/ Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Something weird and I'm confused. BIOS and SATA is empty
On Tue, November 8, 2011 10:33 am, Dale wrote: J. Roeleveld wrote: On Mon, November 7, 2011 1:32 pm, Dale wrote: All this from a raccoon knocking out power. Pesky critter. Raccoons are doing some behaviour studies in your area, didn't you get the memo? :) -- Joost The only report that raccoon will give is a bright flash of light. Shorting out 250,000 volts sort of puts a period on the end of the briefest report there has ever been. Those lines are the TVA lines that come from a few hundred miles away. There is no telling how much power comes through those lines either. Heck, even one amp is a lot. That raccoon better get a new plan. The current one is shockingly the wrong way to do it. lol Plus I hate when the lights go out. Winter is about here and we have electric heat. :/ Nah, no new plan needed. The raccoon that physically caused the problem was a convicted criminal. (For refusing to cause havoc) and was sentenced to death by electrocution. The specific location was picked by the actual scientist running the experiments. -- Joost
Re: [gentoo-user] Something weird and I'm confused. BIOS and SATA is empty
J. Roeleveld wrote: On Tue, November 8, 2011 10:33 am, Dale wrote: The only report that raccoon will give is a bright flash of light. Shorting out 250,000 volts sort of puts a period on the end of the briefest report there has ever been. Those lines are the TVA lines that come from a few hundred miles away. There is no telling how much power comes through those lines either. Heck, even one amp is a lot. That raccoon better get a new plan. The current one is shockingly the wrong way to do it. lol Plus I hate when the lights go out. Winter is about here and we have electric heat. :/ Nah, no new plan needed. The raccoon that physically caused the problem was a convicted criminal. (For refusing to cause havoc) and was sentenced to death by electrocution. The specific location was picked by the actual scientist running the experiments. -- Joost Now that you mention it, maybe they will run out of test subjects. o_O Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Something weird and I'm confused. BIOS and SATA is empty
On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 21:18:05 -0500, Mike Edenfield wrote: There is, but the file is called .version. The contents of this are appended to the kernel name when you have the relevant options set. There is no manual intervention needed. But I still need to create .version every time I compile a new set of kernel sources for the first time, right? That's what I'm doing now (localversion2 is a symlink to .version) Not AFAIR. I can't see anything in my build scripts that either creates or updates this file, it is created and updated automatically after each make. -- Neil Bothwick Capt'n! The spellchecker kinna take this abuse! signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Something weird and I'm confused. BIOS and SATA is empty
On 11/9/2011 2:04 AM, Mick wrote: On Wednesday 09 Nov 2011 02:43:43 Mike Edenfield wrote: On 11/6/2011 8:54 PM, Dale wrote: Mine is like this: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4547936 Aug 22 03:53 /boot/bzImage-3.0.3-1 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4548640 Sep 1 07:19 /boot/bzImage-3.0.4-1 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5162752 Oct 12 21:49 /boot/bzImage-3.0.4-2 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5167840 Oct 13 00:05 /boot/bzImage-3.0.6-1 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5167776 Oct 19 02:14 /boot/bzImage-3.0.7-1 The last number is how many times it took to get a stable one. Sometimes it is one, sometimes two. I would also like to see how make install does it nowadays. Maybe worth another try. Oh, I name the config files the same as the kernel too. Am I OCD? o_O Nope, that's also how `make install` does it: basement boot # ls -l total 7060 lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 41 Aug 18 15:35 System.map - System.map-2.6.39-hardened-r10-basement-1 -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 1484083 Aug 18 15:26 System.map-2.6.39-hardened-r10-basement-0 -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 1484083 Aug 18 15:35 System.map-2.6.39-hardened-r10-basement-1 lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 41 Aug 18 15:26 System.map.old - System.map-2.6.39-hardened-r10-basement-0 lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 1 Oct 3 2009 boot - . lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 37 Aug 18 15:35 config - config-2.6.39-hardened-r10-basement-1 -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 51983 Aug 18 15:26 config-2.6.39-hardened-r10-basement-0 -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 51983 Aug 18 15:35 config-2.6.39-hardened-r10-basement-1 lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 37 Aug 18 15:26 config.old - config-2.6.39-hardened-r10-basement-0 drwxr-xr-x. 2 root root4096 Aug 18 15:37 grub drwx--. 2 root root 16384 Oct 3 2009 lost+found lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 38 Aug 18 15:35 vmlinuz - vmlinuz-2.6.39-hardened-r10-basement-1 -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 2027168 Aug 18 15:26 vmlinuz-2.6.39-hardened-r10-basement-0 -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 2026816 Aug 18 15:35 vmlinuz-2.6.39-hardened-r10-basement-1 lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 38 Aug 18 15:26 vmlinuz.old - vmlinuz-2.6.39-hardened-r10-basement-0 Note that, to get the name/number scheme, I also have: basement linux # cd /usr/src/linux basement linux # cat localversion1 -basement- basement linux # cat localversion2 2 basement linux # ls -l localversion* -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 11 Aug 14 09:07 localversion1 lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 8 Aug 18 15:34 localversion2 - .version Are you saying then that every time you download new source files you have to create or cp new localversion* files in /usr/src/linux/ for this auto-numbering to work? Yeah, though I wouldn't be surprised if there was already a way to automate this that I just haven't bothered to learn. For now I just create them again each time I change my /usr/src/linux symlink: basement ~ # cd /usr/src/linux basement linux # cp ~/localversion* . basement linux # ln -sf localversion2 .version --Mike
Re: [gentoo-user] Something weird and I'm confused. BIOS and SATA is empty
On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 08:47:07 -0500, Mike Edenfield wrote: Are you saying then that every time you download new source files you have to create or cp new localversion* files in /usr/src/linux/ for this auto-numbering to work? Yeah, though I wouldn't be surprised if there was already a way to automate this that I just haven't bothered to learn. There is, but the file is called .version. The contents of this are appended to the kernel name when you have the relevant options set. There is no manual intervention needed. -- Neil Bothwick If the cops arrest a mime, do they tell her she has the right to remain silent? signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Something weird and I'm confused. BIOS and SATA is empty
On 11/9/2011 8:55 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 08:47:07 -0500, Mike Edenfield wrote: Are you saying then that every time you download new source files you have to create or cp new localversion* files in /usr/src/linux/ for this auto-numbering to work? Yeah, though I wouldn't be surprised if there was already a way to automate this that I just haven't bothered to learn. There is, but the file is called .version. The contents of this are appended to the kernel name when you have the relevant options set. There is no manual intervention needed. But I still need to create .version every time I compile a new set of kernel sources for the first time, right? That's what I'm doing now (localversion2 is a symlink to .version) --Mike
Re: [gentoo-user] Something weird and I'm confused. BIOS and SATA is empty
On Mon, November 7, 2011 1:32 pm, Dale wrote: SNIP I looked for such a option but I can't find it anywhere. It may be there but I can't find it. Since it is working and the AHCI controller sees the drives, I'm going to leave well enough alone. I checked my desktop at home last night and the disks are only shown for AHCI. The BIOS doesn't see anything. (All connected to SATA) I also rebooted to the NEW sysrescue stick and cfdisk worked fine. It displayed all the drive partitions and other info just like it should. I guess there was something off with cfdisk on the stick. Probably :) All this from a raccoon knocking out power. Pesky critter. Raccoons are doing some behaviour studies in your area, didn't you get the memo? :) -- Joost
Re: [gentoo-user] Something weird and I'm confused. BIOS and SATA is empty
J. Roeleveld wrote: On Mon, November 7, 2011 1:32 pm, Dale wrote: SNIP I looked for such a option but I can't find it anywhere. It may be there but I can't find it. Since it is working and the AHCI controller sees the drives, I'm going to leave well enough alone. I checked my desktop at home last night and the disks are only shown for AHCI. The BIOS doesn't see anything. (All connected to SATA) Then I guess it is working as it should. Whew ! I also rebooted to the NEW sysrescue stick and cfdisk worked fine. It displayed all the drive partitions and other info just like it should. I guess there was something off with cfdisk on the stick. Probably :) All this from a raccoon knocking out power. Pesky critter. Raccoons are doing some behaviour studies in your area, didn't you get the memo? :) -- Joost The only report that raccoon will give is a bright flash of light. Shorting out 250,000 volts sort of puts a period on the end of the briefest report there has ever been. Those lines are the TVA lines that come from a few hundred miles away. There is no telling how much power comes through those lines either. Heck, even one amp is a lot. That raccoon better get a new plan. The current one is shockingly the wrong way to do it. lol Plus I hate when the lights go out. Winter is about here and we have electric heat. :/ Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Something weird and I'm confused. BIOS and SATA is empty
On 11/6/2011 8:54 PM, Dale wrote: Mine is like this: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4547936 Aug 22 03:53 /boot/bzImage-3.0.3-1 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4548640 Sep 1 07:19 /boot/bzImage-3.0.4-1 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5162752 Oct 12 21:49 /boot/bzImage-3.0.4-2 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5167840 Oct 13 00:05 /boot/bzImage-3.0.6-1 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5167776 Oct 19 02:14 /boot/bzImage-3.0.7-1 The last number is how many times it took to get a stable one. Sometimes it is one, sometimes two. I would also like to see how make install does it nowadays. Maybe worth another try. Oh, I name the config files the same as the kernel too. Am I OCD? o_O Nope, that's also how `make install` does it: basement boot # ls -l total 7060 lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 41 Aug 18 15:35 System.map - System.map-2.6.39-hardened-r10-basement-1 -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 1484083 Aug 18 15:26 System.map-2.6.39-hardened-r10-basement-0 -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 1484083 Aug 18 15:35 System.map-2.6.39-hardened-r10-basement-1 lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 41 Aug 18 15:26 System.map.old - System.map-2.6.39-hardened-r10-basement-0 lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 1 Oct 3 2009 boot - . lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 37 Aug 18 15:35 config - config-2.6.39-hardened-r10-basement-1 -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 51983 Aug 18 15:26 config-2.6.39-hardened-r10-basement-0 -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 51983 Aug 18 15:35 config-2.6.39-hardened-r10-basement-1 lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 37 Aug 18 15:26 config.old - config-2.6.39-hardened-r10-basement-0 drwxr-xr-x. 2 root root4096 Aug 18 15:37 grub drwx--. 2 root root 16384 Oct 3 2009 lost+found lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 38 Aug 18 15:35 vmlinuz - vmlinuz-2.6.39-hardened-r10-basement-1 -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 2027168 Aug 18 15:26 vmlinuz-2.6.39-hardened-r10-basement-0 -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 2026816 Aug 18 15:35 vmlinuz-2.6.39-hardened-r10-basement-1 lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 38 Aug 18 15:26 vmlinuz.old - vmlinuz-2.6.39-hardened-r10-basement-0 Note that, to get the name/number scheme, I also have: basement linux # cd /usr/src/linux basement linux # cat localversion1 -basement- basement linux # cat localversion2 2 basement linux # ls -l localversion* -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 11 Aug 14 09:07 localversion1 lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 8 Aug 18 15:34 localversion2 - .version
Re: [gentoo-user] Something weird and I'm confused. BIOS and SATA is empty
On Wednesday 09 Nov 2011 02:43:43 Mike Edenfield wrote: On 11/6/2011 8:54 PM, Dale wrote: Mine is like this: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4547936 Aug 22 03:53 /boot/bzImage-3.0.3-1 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4548640 Sep 1 07:19 /boot/bzImage-3.0.4-1 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5162752 Oct 12 21:49 /boot/bzImage-3.0.4-2 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5167840 Oct 13 00:05 /boot/bzImage-3.0.6-1 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5167776 Oct 19 02:14 /boot/bzImage-3.0.7-1 The last number is how many times it took to get a stable one. Sometimes it is one, sometimes two. I would also like to see how make install does it nowadays. Maybe worth another try. Oh, I name the config files the same as the kernel too. Am I OCD? o_O Nope, that's also how `make install` does it: basement boot # ls -l total 7060 lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 41 Aug 18 15:35 System.map - System.map-2.6.39-hardened-r10-basement-1 -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 1484083 Aug 18 15:26 System.map-2.6.39-hardened-r10-basement-0 -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 1484083 Aug 18 15:35 System.map-2.6.39-hardened-r10-basement-1 lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 41 Aug 18 15:26 System.map.old - System.map-2.6.39-hardened-r10-basement-0 lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 1 Oct 3 2009 boot - . lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 37 Aug 18 15:35 config - config-2.6.39-hardened-r10-basement-1 -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 51983 Aug 18 15:26 config-2.6.39-hardened-r10-basement-0 -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 51983 Aug 18 15:35 config-2.6.39-hardened-r10-basement-1 lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 37 Aug 18 15:26 config.old - config-2.6.39-hardened-r10-basement-0 drwxr-xr-x. 2 root root4096 Aug 18 15:37 grub drwx--. 2 root root 16384 Oct 3 2009 lost+found lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 38 Aug 18 15:35 vmlinuz - vmlinuz-2.6.39-hardened-r10-basement-1 -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 2027168 Aug 18 15:26 vmlinuz-2.6.39-hardened-r10-basement-0 -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 2026816 Aug 18 15:35 vmlinuz-2.6.39-hardened-r10-basement-1 lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 38 Aug 18 15:26 vmlinuz.old - vmlinuz-2.6.39-hardened-r10-basement-0 Note that, to get the name/number scheme, I also have: basement linux # cd /usr/src/linux basement linux # cat localversion1 -basement- basement linux # cat localversion2 2 basement linux # ls -l localversion* -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 11 Aug 14 09:07 localversion1 lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 8 Aug 18 15:34 localversion2 - .version Are you saying then that every time you download new source files you have to create or cp new localversion* files in /usr/src/linux/ for this auto-numbering to work? -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Something weird and I'm confused. BIOS and SATA is empty
On Mon, 7 Nov 2011 12:00:39 +1100, Adam Carter wrote: All it does it copy the kernel, system map and config to /boot and reset the symlinks to point to the new and previous kernels. You can still keep as many kernels as you want in /boot, but you can always boot the last two without modifying GRUB's config. Can you please ls -l /boot so i can see what it sets up? I'm still doing all that manually... % ls -lh /boot total 373M lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 1 Jul 22 2008 boot - . lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root22 Nov 3 20:00 config - config-3.1.0-gentoo-11 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 78K Oct 19 09:30 config-3.0.7-gentoo -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 79K Nov 2 16:47 config-3.1.0-gentoo-10 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 79K Nov 3 19:58 config-3.1.0-gentoo-11 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root22 Nov 3 20:00 config.old - config-3.1.0-gentoo-10 drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4.0K Nov 6 21:23 grub2 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root26 Nov 3 20:00 System.map - System.map-3.1.0-gentoo-11 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.6M Oct 19 09:30 System.map-3.0.7-gentoo -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.6M Nov 2 16:47 System.map-3.1.0-gentoo-10 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.6M Nov 3 19:58 System.map-3.1.0-gentoo-11 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root26 Nov 3 20:00 System.map.old - System.map-3.1.0-gentoo-10 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root23 Oct 19 21:58 System.map.safe - System.map-3.0.7-gentoo -rw-r--r-- 1 nelz users 350M Nov 3 00:17 systemrescuecd-x86-2.4.0.iso lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root23 Nov 3 20:00 vmlinuz - vmlinuz-3.1.0-gentoo-11 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2.8M Oct 19 09:30 vmlinuz-3.0.7-gentoo -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2.9M Nov 2 16:47 vmlinuz-3.1.0-gentoo-10 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2.9M Nov 3 19:58 vmlinuz-3.1.0-gentoo-11 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root23 Nov 3 20:00 vmlinuz.old - vmlinuz-3.1.0-gentoo-10 I think you need debianutils installed to create the symlinks. Grub doesn't need to be touched because the menu points to the symlinks rather than specific kernels although I'm using Grub2 on this box, so specific versions are added to the end of the menu by grub2-mkconfig. -- Neil Bothwick I distinctly remember forgetting that. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Something weird and I'm confused. BIOS and SATA is empty
Mark Knecht wrote: On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP IF by the 'first screen' you mean what you see when booting up then it may or may not be a problem. I suspect your BIOS settings got scrambled a bit. With my Asus MB there is an option to tell it to show the drives on the first screen or not. If BIOS gets set back to default then I don't see them. I then go in, set the option, and then I do see them. SNIP By first screen, I mean the first screen that the BIOS pops up when booting. You know, shows CPU, memory, drives and tells you to hit DEL to enter the BIOS config. The second screen is the one that pops up right after the BIOS. It is actually the SATA AHCI controller according to what it says. It only shows up when AHCI is enabled I think. Grub comes up after that. On my machine your first screen is configurable. It doesn't show drives by default but I have a BIOS option which turns it on. If I fall back to BIOS #2 then I don't see the drives just like you are reporting. I have fallen back to BIOS #2 a couple of times on power failure. One problem on 'power supply on the bottom' chassis is it puts the power cable right near my feet and I've kicked the cable out of the box twice in the last 18 months. My UPS won't protect me from such stupidity! ;-) Good luck getting to the root cause. Cheers, Mark I looked for such a option but I can't find it anywhere. It may be there but I can't find it. Since it is working and the AHCI controller sees the drives, I'm going to leave well enough alone. I also rebooted to the NEW sysrescue stick and cfdisk worked fine. It displayed all the drive partitions and other info just like it should. I guess there was something off with cfdisk on the stick. All this from a raccoon knocking out power. Pesky critter. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Something weird and I'm confused. BIOS and SATA is empty
On Sunday 06 Nov 2011 12:43:06 Dale wrote: Hi, This is weird and I'm not sure what info to give yet. This is the events tho. First, a raccoon got on the power substation transformer that supplies power for the whole county, excluding my local city which has its own transformer. So, we lost power. It was sudden just like a power switch. Yea, this happens regular here and it ticks me to no end. It also ticks off the power company because it is always about 2 or 3 in the morning when the little farts do this. Second, my system switched to the UPS battery which was beeping and woke me up. I did a normal shutdown and cut everything off. No problems so far. Patience. o_O When the power came back on, I turned on the UPS which turns on the modem, router, monitor and everything computer related back on. I waited a few seconds and turned on my rig. BIOS comes up which I wasn't really looking at, then Grub prompt. I hit enter and got the file not found thing. Well, this is weird. So, I hit a key to try a older kernel, I keep several older versions around just in case. Same error. Hmmm. I did a reset and noticed the BIOS is NOT seeing a single drive connected, NOT ONE. What !! I enter the BIOS and go to the drive section and try to get it to detect them, nothing. Surely three hard drives and a DVD burner can't all go out at exactly the same time. Well, after scratching my head a bit, I reset the BIOS to defaults, which should be about what it is anyway since I don't overclock. Still same grub error. After a bit, I loaded sysrescue from the USB stick. I thought maybe grub updated and it was having issues so was planning to chroot in and fix it. Here comes a funny part. When I did a cat /proc/partitions from sysrescue, all my drives and partitions were there even tho the BIOS didn't see them. However, cfdisk gave me a error when I tried to look at the drives. Same error on ALL drives. Now I'm freaking out a bit. :/ Oh, for you folks who use LABELS like me, write down which partition is what. If cfdisk doesn't work, you can't tell what partition is what. ;-) Anyway, while in there I finally started mounting partitions and seeing what files were there until I figured out what was what, at least for root and boot. When I did my ls on /boot, the kernels were symlinks to the kernel sources on /usr which is not mounted yet. OK. Whew!! That's why grub can't find the kernel since it is a symlink to a partition that is not mounted yet. I did find two that were actual files and not links. Thanks goodness for being a packrat. lol I reboot and the BIOS shows my drives not as SATA but as IDE. However, I edit the grub kernel line to point to a good kernel and it boots. I'm actually typing in it now. My questions you ask? Why is the BIOS not seeing the drives correctly? The main BIOS screen sees nothing and it used to print them on the screen, including the DVD burner. They do show up on the second screen where AHCI detects drives. Next question, why could cfdisk not see the drives? Note, I tried all three drives on my system, same error. I may reboot into the sysrescue thing and try it again and write down the error. I'm going to test on this some more. I want to figure this out in case there is something wrong or I run into this again and can't get cfdisk to work. I'm also going to print my partition layout too. lol Oh, from the Gentoo install, cfdisk sees the drives and works perfectly. The only thing I notice is a * way out to the right on the last partition. Like this: sda9 Logical ext4 [chroot] 61832.05 * I'm not sure what the * means tho. Any ideas? That is where I do my builds for a 32 bit install hence the label. It is not even mounted all the time. Dale :-) :-) P. S. I'll post back as I test things. This is weird. Like me. ROFL Can you set in your BIOS which controller IDE or SATA manages the drives? I'm not sure why you have a symlink to your /usr/src/linux files from /boot (I don't understand it). In /boot you should have the image files themselves of your desired kernels (plus corresponding System and .config files). -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Something weird and I'm confused. BIOS and SATA is empty
Dale wrote: Hi, This is weird and I'm not sure what info to give yet. This is the events tho. First, a raccoon got on the power substation transformer that supplies power for the whole county, excluding my local city which has its own transformer. So, we lost power. It was sudden just like a power switch. Yea, this happens regular here and it ticks me to no end. It also ticks off the power company because it is always about 2 or 3 in the morning when the little farts do this. Second, my system switched to the UPS battery which was beeping and woke me up. I did a normal shutdown and cut everything off. No problems so far. Patience. o_O When the power came back on, I turned on the UPS which turns on the modem, router, monitor and everything computer related back on. I waited a few seconds and turned on my rig. BIOS comes up which I wasn't really looking at, then Grub prompt. I hit enter and got the file not found thing. Well, this is weird. So, I hit a key to try a older kernel, I keep several older versions around just in case. Same error. Hmmm. I did a reset and noticed the BIOS is NOT seeing a single drive connected, NOT ONE. What !! I enter the BIOS and go to the drive section and try to get it to detect them, nothing. Surely three hard drives and a DVD burner can't all go out at exactly the same time. Well, after scratching my head a bit, I reset the BIOS to defaults, which should be about what it is anyway since I don't overclock. Still same grub error. After a bit, I loaded sysrescue from the USB stick. I thought maybe grub updated and it was having issues so was planning to chroot in and fix it. Here comes a funny part. When I did a cat /proc/partitions from sysrescue, all my drives and partitions were there even tho the BIOS didn't see them. However, cfdisk gave me a error when I tried to look at the drives. Same error on ALL drives. Now I'm freaking out a bit. :/ Oh, for you folks who use LABELS like me, write down which partition is what. If cfdisk doesn't work, you can't tell what partition is what. ;-) Anyway, while in there I finally started mounting partitions and seeing what files were there until I figured out what was what, at least for root and boot. When I did my ls on /boot, the kernels were symlinks to the kernel sources on /usr which is not mounted yet. OK. Whew!! That's why grub can't find the kernel since it is a symlink to a partition that is not mounted yet. I did find two that were actual files and not links. Thanks goodness for being a packrat. lol I reboot and the BIOS shows my drives not as SATA but as IDE. However, I edit the grub kernel line to point to a good kernel and it boots. I'm actually typing in it now. My questions you ask? Why is the BIOS not seeing the drives correctly? The main BIOS screen sees nothing and it used to print them on the screen, including the DVD burner. They do show up on the second screen where AHCI detects drives. Next question, why could cfdisk not see the drives? Note, I tried all three drives on my system, same error. I may reboot into the sysrescue thing and try it again and write down the error. I'm going to test on this some more. I want to figure this out in case there is something wrong or I run into this again and can't get cfdisk to work. I'm also going to print my partition layout too. lol Oh, from the Gentoo install, cfdisk sees the drives and works perfectly. The only thing I notice is a * way out to the right on the last partition. Like this: sda9 Logical ext4 [chroot] 61832.05 * I'm not sure what the * means tho. Any ideas? That is where I do my builds for a 32 bit install hence the label. It is not even mounted all the time. Dale :-) :-) P. S. I'll post back as I test things. This is weird. Like me. ROFL I booted the sysrescue stick and ran cfdisk again. This is the error: FATAL ERROR: Bad primary partition 3: Partition ends in the final partial cylinder Press any key yada yada. I ran parted -l, it sees everything fine. Could it be that cfdisk on sysrescue is broken? If parted didn't see it either then I would think something else but . . . . Going to google now. Then read up on the manual for my mobo. o_O Oh, going to figure out this symlink kernel issues too. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Something weird and I'm confused. BIOS and SATA is empty
Mick wrote: Can you set in your BIOS which controller IDE or SATA manages the drives? I'm not sure why you have a symlink to your /usr/src/linux files from /boot (I don't understand it). In /boot you should have the image files themselves of your desired kernels (plus corresponding System and .config files). I can but it seems to do the same thing either way. I don't reboot much so maybe it is something in my head. I'm pretty sure it used to list the drives on the main BIOS screen then when the controller screen comes up it detects them for AHCI. What gets me is them not being seen while I am in the BIOS itself. I know it used to see them there. Whenever I add a drive or something, I check to make sure it sees everything correctly before I even boot my OS. That way if I have a bad cable or forgot to connect something, I can fix it without booting and having to shutdown again. Saves time. I copy my kernels by hand. Always have. It appears that under arch is x86 and x86_64 and I copied from x86_64. Thing is, that is only a symlink to x86 so it becomes a link in /boot instead. Well, when grub tries to follow the link, root is not mounted yet and it can't see the file. So, this one was on me. I got to remember not to copy from the x86_64 even tho I have a 64 bit rig. Still puzzled about cfdisk tho. I did google and it appears to be quite common. I may make a backup to my spare drive and redo the partitions then copy back again. I used cfdisk to create them so one would think it could read them too. Weird. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Something weird and I'm confused. BIOS and SATA is empty
On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 4:43 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP When I did my ls on /boot, the kernels were symlinks to the kernel sources on /usr which is not mounted yet. SNIP Why in the world would a kernel on /boot _ever_ be a symlink? That's just not right for guys like you and me Dale! I reboot and the BIOS shows my drives not as SATA but as IDE. However, I edit the grub kernel line to point to a good kernel and it boots. I'm actually typing in it now. So this is good. Glad you got that far. My questions you ask? Why is the BIOS not seeing the drives correctly? The main BIOS screen sees nothing and it used to print them on the screen, including the DVD burner. They do show up on the second screen where AHCI detects drives. IF by the 'first screen' you mean what you see when booting up then it may or may not be a problem. I suspect your BIOS settings got scrambled a bit. With my Asus MB there is an option to tell it to show the drives on the first screen or not. If BIOS gets set back to default then I don't see them. I then go in, set the option, and then I do see them. On this Asus machine I have two BIOS'es. When I do updates, if the update doesn't go well, then the machine automatically drops back to BIOS #2 which is (hopefully) unchanged. This is safe, but can at times get a little confusing. Possibly your machine has something similar and you're now using the second BIOS? Good luck!!! Cheers, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] Something weird and I'm confused. BIOS and SATA is empty
Mark Knecht wrote: On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 4:43 AM, Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP When I did my ls on /boot, the kernels were symlinks to the kernel sources on /usr which is not mounted yet. SNIP Why in the world would a kernel on /boot _ever_ be a symlink? That's just not right for guys like you and me Dale! Reason for that is in another reply. It was a symlink in the kernel sources directory too. Once a symlink starts, it's a link from then on. I just got to get the right one. lol I reboot and the BIOS shows my drives not as SATA but as IDE. However, I edit the grub kernel line to point to a good kernel and it boots. I'm actually typing in it now. So this is good. Glad you got that far. My questions you ask? Why is the BIOS not seeing the drives correctly? The main BIOS screen sees nothing and it used to print them on the screen, including the DVD burner. They do show up on the second screen where AHCI detects drives. IF by the 'first screen' you mean what you see when booting up then it may or may not be a problem. I suspect your BIOS settings got scrambled a bit. With my Asus MB there is an option to tell it to show the drives on the first screen or not. If BIOS gets set back to default then I don't see them. I then go in, set the option, and then I do see them. On this Asus machine I have two BIOS'es. When I do updates, if the update doesn't go well, then the machine automatically drops back to BIOS #2 which is (hopefully) unchanged. This is safe, but can at times get a little confusing. Possibly your machine has something similar and you're now using the second BIOS? Good luck!!! Cheers, Mark By first screen, I mean the first screen that the BIOS pops up when booting. You know, shows CPU, memory, drives and tells you to hit DEL to enter the BIOS config. The second screen is the one that pops up right after the BIOS. It is actually the SATA AHCI controller according to what it says. It only shows up when AHCI is enabled I think. Grub comes up after that. I did update the BIOS on here once. I have rebooted it several times and it seems to be working fine. I may update once more but the new one was still a beta when I last checked. I think that part is OK. I think. :/ Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Something weird and I'm confused. BIOS and SATA is empty
On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP IF by the 'first screen' you mean what you see when booting up then it may or may not be a problem. I suspect your BIOS settings got scrambled a bit. With my Asus MB there is an option to tell it to show the drives on the first screen or not. If BIOS gets set back to default then I don't see them. I then go in, set the option, and then I do see them. SNIP By first screen, I mean the first screen that the BIOS pops up when booting. You know, shows CPU, memory, drives and tells you to hit DEL to enter the BIOS config. The second screen is the one that pops up right after the BIOS. It is actually the SATA AHCI controller according to what it says. It only shows up when AHCI is enabled I think. Grub comes up after that. On my machine your first screen is configurable. It doesn't show drives by default but I have a BIOS option which turns it on. If I fall back to BIOS #2 then I don't see the drives just like you are reporting. I have fallen back to BIOS #2 a couple of times on power failure. One problem on 'power supply on the bottom' chassis is it puts the power cable right near my feet and I've kicked the cable out of the box twice in the last 18 months. My UPS won't protect me from such stupidity! ;-) Good luck getting to the root cause. Cheers, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] Something weird and I'm confused. BIOS and SATA is empty
Hi, is it an Asus board? Because Asus went cheap on bios chips not too long ago. Now we have the fun of Asus bioses getting confused because of stuff like turning off and similar cruel treatment. The fuck up with your transformer might habe caused a short spike, damaging the settings. In my experience, Asus boards with a confused cheap bios can be brought back with: resetting bios, turning off electricity several times and lots and lots of reboots. There is a reason, I throw that garbage out and got gigabyte. About the 'suddenly ide' drive mess: did you turn back the settings? And the symlinks: just WTF? Just install debianutils, do 'make modules_install install' and /boot will always have the correct files, with nice symlinks named vmlinuz and vmlinuz.old etc...
Re: [gentoo-user] Something weird and I'm confused. BIOS and SATA is empty
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Hi, is it an Asus board? Because Asus went cheap on bios chips not too long ago. Now we have the fun of Asus bioses getting confused because of stuff like turning off and similar cruel treatment. The fuck up with your transformer might habe caused a short spike, damaging the settings. In my experience, Asus boards with a confused cheap bios can be brought back with: resetting bios, turning off electricity several times and lots and lots of reboots. There is a reason, I throw that garbage out and got gigabyte. About the 'suddenly ide' drive mess: did you turn back the settings? And the symlinks: just WTF? Just install debianutils, do 'make modules_install install' and /boot will always have the correct files, with nice symlinks named vmlinuz and vmlinuz.old etc... I have a Gigabyte mobo here too. They are highly rated you know. ^_^ I don't think much of a big spike could make it through all the surge protection. I have one set at the wall, another built into the UPS and there is a LOT in there, and some more in the power supply itself. If I had a lightening strike that was pretty close by, yea I would think that for sure. I have to also say I am about 10 miles as the crow flies from the transformer. Going the path of the wires, lots further. That poor surge would have a lot to pass by to get to little ole me. I might also add, our local power company does have a good bit of protection along the way. When the power is on, it is good power. When it is not good, its going off. It stays pretty steady all things considered. No storms around here either. Just cold. Brr. I might also add, my old rig that plugs straight into the wall booted up fine. It has no protection at all. No UPS just whatever it has in the power supply itself. It did sort of gripe about being shutdown improperly and did the usual file system checks but otherwise, it was fine. I had to change the battery in the UPS a few years ago. That thing has MOV's all over the place. The cord coming from the wall, the PCB, the plug going out. I think even a close by lightening strike would frown on that thing. Jeez, by weight the UPS is a set of batteries, a transformer and MOV's. lol Some engineer must have got hit by lightening when he was designing that thing. They put a lot in there. UPS you ask, about a 8 year old CyberPower 1250AVR. Yea, Automatic Voltage Regulation. lol I picked a good one even if it is old. Going to go see my lady friend, all 90 lbs of her, will work on this more later. ;-) Yea, I feed her good but she won't gain a bit. sighs Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Something weird and I'm confused. BIOS and SATA is empty
Am 06.11.2011 15:26, schrieb Dale: Mick wrote: Can you set in your BIOS which controller IDE or SATA manages the drives? I'm not sure why you have a symlink to your /usr/src/linux files from /boot (I don't understand it). In /boot you should have the image files themselves of your desired kernels (plus corresponding System and .config files). I can but it seems to do the same thing either way. I don't reboot much so maybe it is something in my head. I'm pretty sure it used to list the drives on the main BIOS screen then when the controller screen comes up it detects them for AHCI. What gets me is them not being seen while I am in the BIOS itself. I know it used to see them there. Whenever I add a drive or something, I check to make sure it sees everything correctly before I even boot my OS. That way if I have a bad cable or forgot to connect something, I can fix it without booting and having to shutdown again. Saves time. Another idea: Do the disks spin up fast enough? Maybe the disks are not ready in time to be picked up by the first BIOS screen. Then when they spin up, they are detected by AHCI (which is hot-plug capable) just in time for loading Grub. Did you add any new hardware recently? I remember you wanted to install new disks. Maybe your power supply cannot take the load and this delays things. I've never seen this particular problem but this bootup-powerspike is the reason why large disk arrays typically start one disk after the other. I copy my kernels by hand. Always have. It appears that under arch is x86 and x86_64 and I copied from x86_64. Thing is, that is only a symlink to x86 so it becomes a link in /boot instead. Well, when grub tries to follow the link, root is not mounted yet and it can't see the file. So, this one was on me. I got to remember not to copy from the x86_64 even tho I have a 64 bit rig. Odd thing. I never noticed they were symlinks. A simple `sudo cp ...` does the right thing here. Did you use `cp -a`, maybe through an alias? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Something weird and I'm confused. BIOS and SATA is empty
Florian Philipp wrote: Am 06.11.2011 15:26, schrieb Dale: Mick wrote: Can you set in your BIOS which controller IDE or SATA manages the drives? I'm not sure why you have a symlink to your /usr/src/linux files from /boot (I don't understand it). In /boot you should have the image files themselves of your desired kernels (plus corresponding System and .config files). I can but it seems to do the same thing either way. I don't reboot much so maybe it is something in my head. I'm pretty sure it used to list the drives on the main BIOS screen then when the controller screen comes up it detects them for AHCI. What gets me is them not being seen while I am in the BIOS itself. I know it used to see them there. Whenever I add a drive or something, I check to make sure it sees everything correctly before I even boot my OS. That way if I have a bad cable or forgot to connect something, I can fix it without booting and having to shutdown again. Saves time. Another idea: Do the disks spin up fast enough? Maybe the disks are not ready in time to be picked up by the first BIOS screen. Then when they spin up, they are detected by AHCI (which is hot-plug capable) just in time for loading Grub. Did you add any new hardware recently? I remember you wanted to install new disks. Maybe your power supply cannot take the load and this delays things. I've never seen this particular problem but this bootup-powerspike is the reason why large disk arrays typically start one disk after the other. Actually it does the same even when I am rebooting. The drives don't spin down when rebooting right?. It is a heck of a thought tho. Just for the record, I have a 650 watt P/S in this beast. I got one plenty large enough to handle anything that would fit, except a space heater of course. lol I think I hear foldingathome calling. It's starting to get cold. As soon as the day temps cool off, folding will be running. No new hardware yet. I do plan to add a drive or two tho. I just haven't got around to finding one yet. I did check all the connections tho, power and data. And now that it is booted, everything seems to work like usual. I copy my kernels by hand. Always have. It appears that under arch is x86 and x86_64 and I copied from x86_64. Thing is, that is only a symlink to x86 so it becomes a link in /boot instead. Well, when grub tries to follow the link, root is not mounted yet and it can't see the file. So, this one was on me. I got to remember not to copy from the x86_64 even tho I have a 64 bit rig. Odd thing. I never noticed they were symlinks. A simple `sudo cp ...` does the right thing here. Did you use `cp -a`, maybe through an alias? I do use -av out of habit. That habit started when I was copying installs from one drive to another. I don't think I have any aliases anymore. It would be good if I just copied the right thing. :/ I did download a new sysrescue thingy. Maybe it is just a bad version or something or just a bad file on the stick. Still not sure about the BIOS part tho. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Something weird and I'm confused. BIOS and SATA is empty
On Sun, 06 Nov 2011 13:21:33 -0600, Dale wrote: Odd thing. I never noticed they were symlinks. A simple `sudo cp ...` does the right thing here. Did you use `cp -a`, maybe through an alias? I do use -av out of habit. That habit started when I was copying installs from one drive to another. I don't think I have any aliases anymore. It would be good if I just copied the right thing. :/ Or you could use make install and remove the possibility for screw-ups. After all, you trust make to build and kernel, then build and copy the entire module tree. Surely you can manage to trust it with one more file :-O -- Neil Bothwick When you finally buy enough memory, you will not have enough disk space. -- Murphy's Computer Laws n\xB03 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Something weird and I'm confused. BIOS and SATA is empty
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sun, 06 Nov 2011 13:21:33 -0600, Dale wrote: Odd thing. I never noticed they were symlinks. A simple `sudo cp ...` does the right thing here. Did you use `cp -a`, maybe through an alias? I do use -av out of habit. That habit started when I was copying installs from one drive to another. I don't think I have any aliases anymore. It would be good if I just copied the right thing. :/ Or you could use make install and remove the possibility for screw-ups. After all, you trust make to build and kernel, then build and copy the entire module tree. Surely you can manage to trust it with one more file :-O I did use it once but I didn't like the way it did it. That could have changed since then tho. I'm also bad to keep several versions of older kernels around too. I have had over a dozen on /boot before. That's why my /boot is a 200 Mbs or so. Sort of like this: Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/sda1 186663 26457150569 15% /boot If we carry this to far, I'll being using Linux from Scratch. ;-) Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Something weird and I'm confused. BIOS and SATA is empty
On Sun, 06 Nov 2011 16:22:41 -0600, Dale wrote: Or you could use make install and remove the possibility for screw-ups. After all, you trust make to build and kernel, then build and copy the entire module tree. Surely you can manage to trust it with one more file :-O I did use it once but I didn't like the way it did it. That could have changed since then tho. I'm also bad to keep several versions of older kernels around too. I have had over a dozen on /boot before. That's why my /boot is a 200 Mbs or so. Sort of like this: All it does it copy the kernel, system map and config to /boot and reset the symlinks to point to the new and previous kernels. You can still keep as many kernels as you want in /boot, but you can always boot the last two without modifying GRUB's config. -- Neil Bothwick Why do they call it a TV set when you only get one? signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Something weird and I'm confused. BIOS and SATA is empty
All it does it copy the kernel, system map and config to /boot and reset the symlinks to point to the new and previous kernels. You can still keep as many kernels as you want in /boot, but you can always boot the last two without modifying GRUB's config. Can you please ls -l /boot so i can see what it sets up? I'm still doing all that manually...
Re: [gentoo-user] Something weird and I'm confused. BIOS and SATA is empty
On Nov 7, 2011 8:03 AM, Adam Carter adamcart...@gmail.com wrote: All it does it copy the kernel, system map and config to /boot and reset the symlinks to point to the new and previous kernels. You can still keep as many kernels as you want in /boot, but you can always boot the last two without modifying GRUB's config. Can you please ls -l /boot so i can see what it sets up? I'm still doing all that manually... Likewise. I only get the vmlinuz file when I do make install. Rgds,
Re: [gentoo-user] Something weird and I'm confused. BIOS and SATA is empty
On Nov 7, 2011 8:18 AM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: On Nov 7, 2011 8:03 AM, Adam Carter adamcart...@gmail.com wrote: All it does it copy the kernel, system map and config to /boot and reset the symlinks to point to the new and previous kernels. You can still keep as many kernels as you want in /boot, but you can always boot the last two without modifying GRUB's config. Can you please ls -l /boot so i can see what it sets up? I'm still doing all that manually... Likewise. I only get the vmlinuz file when I do make install. Rgds, Bah, tapped Send too quickly. After I do make install, I usually rename vmlinuz to vmlinuz-$(date +%Y%m%d_%H%M%S), and I have to add a menu entry for the latest kernel (not edit, so make install apparently didn't add the latest kernel into the grub menu). Rgds,
Re: [gentoo-user] Something weird and I'm confused. BIOS and SATA is empty
Pandu Poluan wrote: On Nov 7, 2011 8:18 AM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info mailto:pa...@poluan.info wrote: On Nov 7, 2011 8:03 AM, Adam Carter adamcart...@gmail.com mailto:adamcart...@gmail.com wrote: All it does it copy the kernel, system map and config to /boot and reset the symlinks to point to the new and previous kernels. You can still keep as many kernels as you want in /boot, but you can always boot the last two without modifying GRUB's config. Can you please ls -l /boot so i can see what it sets up? I'm still doing all that manually... Likewise. I only get the vmlinuz file when I do make install. Rgds, Bah, tapped Send too quickly. After I do make install, I usually rename vmlinuz to vmlinuz-$(date +%Y%m%d_%H%M%S), and I have to add a menu entry for the latest kernel (not edit, so make install apparently didn't add the latest kernel into the grub menu). Rgds, Mine is like this: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4547936 Aug 22 03:53 /boot/bzImage-3.0.3-1 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4548640 Sep 1 07:19 /boot/bzImage-3.0.4-1 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5162752 Oct 12 21:49 /boot/bzImage-3.0.4-2 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5167840 Oct 13 00:05 /boot/bzImage-3.0.6-1 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5167776 Oct 19 02:14 /boot/bzImage-3.0.7-1 The last number is how many times it took to get a stable one. Sometimes it is one, sometimes two. I would also like to see how make install does it nowadays. Maybe worth another try. Oh, I name the config files the same as the kernel too. Am I OCD? o_O Dale :-) :-)
