Re: [gentoo-user] Stale Samba in Portage
On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 16:58:56 -0700, Zac Medico wrote: The problem with using things like USE and ACCEPT_KEYWORDS directly on the command line is that the next time you go to upgrade that package or do emerge -u world, Your package specific USE and ACCEPT_KEYWORDS settings will have been forgotten. You can make them persistent if you keep them in package.use and package.keywords. The other problem is that the keywords apply to the entire command, so any dependencies are also merged with that setting, whereas package.keywords only applies to the specific package. -- Neil Bothwick CW music backward: get yer dog, wife, job, truck, kids, and sobriety back. pgpWN1GQaB8KT.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Stale Samba in Portage
On Mon, 2005-08-01 at 15:57 -0700, Raymond Lillard wrote: Now on to my topic. I have noticed that the Samba version presently available in Portage is v3.0.10. # emerge -pv samba These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuild U ] net-fs/samba-3.0.14a-r2 [3.0.14a-r1] -acl -cups -doc +kerberos +ldap -libclamav -mysql -oav +pam -postgres -python -quotas +readline (-selinux) +winbind +xml +xml2 15,245 kB Total size of downloads: 15,245 kB I realize you are new, perhaps you have not updated your portage tree. The easiest way to do this is emerge sync. If you cannot do that, try web-rsync or web-sync (I forget what it's called), though I have never done that. The version you are looking for is in portage :) If in doubt, visit http://packages.gentoo.org/ Welcome! -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Stale Samba in Portage
Raymond Lillard wrote: I'm new to Gentoo (old at Linux) and like what I see so far. The only downside to Gentoo that I've found is that it takes forever to compile everything. I do appreciate that my system runs faster, it's just the price is two days and a fat pipe to do a fairly complete install. Most binary installs take me less than half of a day. I watched OpenOffice download and compile for over six hours before I gave up and went to bed. Many packages are offered as -bin packages such as openoffice-bin. You can alse use GRP packages (see handbook) or look at http://chinstrap.alternating.net/. Now on to my topic. I have noticed that the Samba version presently available in Portage is v3.0.10. That version was released more than six months ago. The latest released version of Samba (v3.0.14a), which contains several important bug fixes over v3.0.10, was released in mid-April. The next release of Samba will be v3.0.20. It presently is in the rc stage and will be released real soon now. Being new to Gentoo, I don't know what the typical lag time between an upstream release and a Portage release is, but from the looks of the packages I have installed, it seems that Portage chases the upstream releases rather vigorously. Is there some specific issue with Samba? Has the Samba/Portage maintainer been unable to work on this? Does he/she need assistance? Should I just get v3.0.14a directly and maintain it outside the Portage system? I don't mind maintaining Samba outside of Portage, but before I do so, I would like to understand the present situation. Best, Ray You need to learn more about portage (read the portage manpage). mkdir /etc/portage echo net-fs/samba ~* /etc/portage/package.keywords emerge -av samba Zac -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Stale Samba in Portage
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS='~x86' emerge samba -s Look at man emerge and the portage docs for what the above does, and how to make it permanent. Critical apps seem to take a bit longer to get to stable, but the above will often get you a more updated version, albeit at a higher risk of problems. Check out portage overlay in the docs to see how to make your own ebuilds for specific versions - you can often copy and adjust an existing ebuild, pop it into the overlay and have the latest and buggiest at your beck and call. Note that this can also be used to keep ancient versions around as well with a little more work. Time: as a gentoo user you will find that a working definition of time seems to change subtly ... over time ... Lastly, dont forget to emerge sync regularly, and then run glsa-check against your system to check for security updates. BillK On Mon, 2005-08-01 at 15:57 -0700, Raymond Lillard wrote: I'm new to Gentoo (old at Linux) and like what I see so far. The only downside to Gentoo that I've found is that it takes forever to compile everything. I do appreciate that my system runs faster, it's just the price is two days and a fat pipe to do a fairly complete install. Most binary installs take me less than half of a day. I watched OpenOffice download and compile for over six hours before I gave up and went to bed. Now on to my topic. I have noticed that the Samba version presently available in Portage is v3.0.10. That version was released more than six months ago. The latest released version of Samba (v3.0.14a), which contains several important bug fixes over v3.0.10, was released in mid-April. The next release of Samba will be v3.0.20. It presently is in the rc stage and will be released real soon now. Being new to Gentoo, I don't know what the typical lag time between an upstream release and a Portage release is, but from the looks of the packages I have installed, it seems that Portage chases the upstream releases rather vigorously. Is there some specific issue with Samba? Has the Samba/Portage maintainer been unable to work on this? Does he/she need assistance? Should I just get v3.0.14a directly and maintain it outside the Portage system? I don't mind maintaining Samba outside of Portage, but before I do so, I would like to understand the present situation. Best, Ray -- William Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home! -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Stale Samba in Portage
On Tue, 2005-08-02 at 07:14 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote: ACCEPT_KEYWORDS='~x86' emerge samba -s ACCEPT_KEYWORDS done on the command line is a very poor idea, use /etc/portage/package.use instead. I forget the specifics, but I have seen a system run into serious problems and library screwups over that. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Stale Samba in Portage
fire-eyes wrote: On Tue, 2005-08-02 at 07:14 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote: ACCEPT_KEYWORDS='~x86' emerge samba -s ACCEPT_KEYWORDS done on the command line is a very poor idea, use /etc/portage/package.use instead. I forget the specifics, but I have seen a system run into serious problems and library screwups over that. I was thinking the same thing, except I suppose it's not so bad you are only using it for searching (emerge -s). The problem with using things like USE and ACCEPT_KEYWORDS directly on the command line is that the next time you go to upgrade that package or do emerge -u world, Your package specific USE and ACCEPT_KEYWORDS settings will have been forgotten. You can make them persistent if you keep them in package.use and package.keywords. Zac -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Stale Samba in Portage
Its ok for a quick check - especially as I dont want ~x86 samba on that system. I regard /etc/portage and the way it has been done is a disaster waiting to happen. You have files hidden away in there that unless you make the effort, can (and do) keep insecure versions of software on your system - make sure you regularly check what you put in there! It also did not work properly on two of my systems (one has been decommissioned and the other has been so much upgraded I think the problem has gone away - I gave up after hours of trying to track down inconsistencies. Sorry, but I hanker back to simpler times when -i made things so easy and I didnt have to worry about someones idea of an elegant fix ... BillK On Mon, 2005-08-01 at 19:45 -0400, fire-eyes wrote: On Tue, 2005-08-02 at 07:14 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote: ACCEPT_KEYWORDS='~x86' emerge samba -s ACCEPT_KEYWORDS done on the command line is a very poor idea, use /etc/portage/package.use instead. I forget the specifics, but I have seen a system run into serious problems and library screwups over that. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Stale Samba in Portage
Bill, have you used RPMs G. Then you will appreciate portage G. When I came to Gentoo from Caldera it was such a relief not to have to use RPMs! It's never faltered on me and the ~arch keeps unstable stuff out of my sight unless I chose it. On Tue, 2 Aug 2005, W.Kenworthy wrote: Its ok for a quick check - especially as I dont want ~x86 samba on that system. I regard /etc/portage and the way it has been done is a disaster waiting to happen. You have files hidden away in there that unless you make the effort, can (and do) keep insecure versions of software on your system - make sure you regularly check what you put in there! It also did not work properly on two of my systems (one has been decommissioned and the other has been so much upgraded I think the problem has gone away - I gave up after hours of trying to track down inconsistencies. Sorry, but I hanker back to simpler times when -i made things so easy and I didnt have to worry about someones idea of an elegant fix ... BillK On Mon, 2005-08-01 at 19:45 -0400, fire-eyes wrote: On Tue, 2005-08-02 at 07:14 +0800, William Kenworthy wrote: ACCEPT_KEYWORDS='~x86' emerge samba -s ACCEPT_KEYWORDS done on the command line is a very poor idea, use /etc/portage/package.use instead. I forget the specifics, but I have seen a system run into serious problems and library screwups over that. -- Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User #188143 Remove R777 to email -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Stale Samba in Portage (SOLVED)
Raymond Lillard wrote: Now on to my topic. I have noticed that the Samba version presently available in Portage is v3.0.10. That version was released more than six months ago. The latest released version of Samba (v3.0.14a), which contains several important bug fixes over v3.0.10, was released in mid-April. The next release of Samba will be v3.0.20. It presently is in the rc stage and will be released real soon now. For the record, I needed to understand the QA phases in Portage. The discussion in the thread led me to: 1. Create the file: /etc/portage/package.keywords Containing: # Allow test versions of Samba to be visible net-fs/samba ~x86 2. Further info under: URL: http://packages.gentoo.org/ Search for: Samba Found discussion among Portage maintainers that suggests 3.0.14a could be marked stable any day now. Thanks for the help. Ray PS My installation of Gentoo in on a Dell Latitude D810. This is a fairly fast machine with a really nice display. Gentoo has been both very user responsive and stable. I have not had any sign of instability, unlike some other distros I could (but won't) name. I have built most all of the popular office applications and many of the sysadmin apps with NO issues. The Gentoo team seems to run a tight ship and I like it. It feels like a BSD system. I haven't gotten to the audio/video stuff yet. I'm optimistic though. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Stale Samba in Portage (SOLVED)
On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 18:49:01 -0700 Raymond Lillard wrote: I haven't gotten to the audio/video stuff yet. I'm optimistic though. So long as you look at the USE flags with a fine tooth comb you will find a lot of joy in the gentoo multimedia experience. It is (fortunately IMHO) not bogged down by the desire to keep clear of win32codecs, libdvdcss and the like. My gentoo system can play more media files than my win2k system, and without the annoyances of realplayer or quicktime popping up to tell me that I can now watch the latest piece of crap that they think i want to see. Anyway, my point was that, unlike some other distros where you have to hunt around for third party implementations in order to watch the dvd you own, or listen to an mp3, gentoo gives you the choice of including it right from inside portage. -- Nick Rout -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
