Re: [gentoo-user] sorta OT - honest (!) opinions on mailservers
On Sun, 12 Jun 2005, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: yes, but most knowledgable people know that exim blows the pants off qmail and postfix. Now why would you want to start a flame war? Noone said package X is better than package Y - most of us are just saying what works well for us. -- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] sorta OT - honest (!) opinions on mailservers
On Jun 14, 2005, at 11:47 AM, A. Khattri wrote: On Sun, 12 Jun 2005, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: yes, but most knowledgable people know that exim blows the pants off qmail and postfix. Now why would you want to start a flame war? Noone said package X is better than package Y - most of us are just saying what works well for us. Why do you selectively quote? The parts you left out put the statements in context that the other guy was ragging on exim. --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] sorta OT - honest (!) opinions on mailservers
On Sun, 12 Jun 2005, Antoine wrote: From some reading this looks like it would fit the bill. Do you know of any helpful howtos for this or similar combos? You could look at lifewithqmail.org or google for qmail toaster. We are using a custom build with almost everything hooked into MySQL databases (even WebMail preferences, address books, spamassassin options, etc). How much maintenance does it take? We have around 50-100 users and at the moment the maintenance is pretty low (except crashes etc...). The only maintenance is adding/removing/modifying account - we have automated everything else across our MXes. Would it be a major effort to get it set up? Would it be possible to migrate the current contents over from mdaemon? I know practically nothing about mdaemon - what format are the mailboxes? We migrated over a year ago from sendmail - qmail. I ended up writing a lot of perl scripts to make the transition as painless as possible. There are scripts out there for converting from mbox to maildir formats. What do you use for spam and virus filtering? The usual clamav + spamassassin combo. -- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] sorta OT - honest (!) opinions on mailservers
On Jun 14, 2005, at 11:54 AM, A. Khattri wrote: The usual clamav + spamassassin combo. If you do decide to go the exim route, there are two ways to interface spamassassin to it. One is now built in called exiscan. The other is called sa-exim and, the reason I am mentioning this, it now supports a spamassassin assisted form of greylisting. sa-exim will do greylisting for you but will only greylist stuff that spamassassin marks as being spam, so you avoid most of the negatives of greylisting. I implemented it a day and a half ago and about 90% of the spam is now not even received in the first place. It seems to work really well and is better than standard greylistin. best regards Chad --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] sorta OT - honest (!) opinions on mailservers
A. Khattri wrote: On Sun, 12 Jun 2005, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: yes, but most knowledgable people know that exim blows the pants off qmail and postfix. Now why would you want to start a flame war? Noone said package X is better than package Y - most of us are just saying what works well for us. His response came a pair of hour after mine, stating that postfix and qmail was the better MTA in opensource. So probably the first bad step come from me. Sorry for that. -- . These pages are best viewed by coming to my house and looking at . . my monitor. [S. Lucas Bergman (on his website)]. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] sorta OT - honest (!) opinions on mailservers
On Sun, 12 Jun 2005, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: yes, but most knowledgable people know that exim blows the pants off qmail and postfix. Ok, then perhaps you could explain why a mail server (running exim4) suddenly stops to relay emails (this worked before) and then all of a sudden starts to relay them again (without me changing any settings)... I have looked for clues in the logs and tried the debug mode but I still haven't understood why. Help? Best regards Peter K -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] sorta OT - honest (!) opinions on mailservers
On Jun 13, 2005, at 1:14 PM, Peter Karlsson wrote: On Sun, 12 Jun 2005, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: yes, but most knowledgable people know that exim blows the pants off qmail and postfix. Ok, then perhaps you could explain why a mail server (running exim4) suddenly stops to relay emails (this worked before) and then all of a sudden starts to relay them again (without me changing any settings)... I have looked for clues in the logs and tried the debug mode but I still haven't understood why. Help? I would suggest you go to the very active exim-users mail list and be prepared to show your config and the log entries. You can find a link to the mail list at www.exim.org . The author of exim is very forthcoming and helpful as well as the well established and knowledgable userbase. Without a copy of your config and the log file entries, I cannot start to answer your questions. I have been running exim since 0.5x (since 97) and it has been rock solid for me and everyone I know including the ISPs who handle millions of email addresses with it. best Chad Best regards Peter K -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] sorta OT - honest (!) opinions on mailservers
On Mon, 13 Jun 2005, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: I would suggest you go to the very active exim-users mail list and be prepared to show your config and the log entries. You can find a link to the mail list at www.exim.org . The author of exim is very forthcoming and helpful as well as the well established and knowledgable userbase. Ok, I'll try that. Thanks! Best regards Peter K -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] sorta OT - honest (!) opinions on mailservers
A. Khattri wrote: On Sun, 12 Jun 2005, Antoine wrote: I have just realised that we have a dedicated mail server - that means that there are no legacy apps tying us to the doze OS that is currently running it :-). Basically, if I can convince the techie (who is a linux user, though not a fanatic like me ;-)) that there are free alternatives to what we have now (he said MailDaemon, if that is a brand and not just a mail daemon...) that are more reliable and stable alternatives then I can probably convince him (to convince the boss) to change. I would like to have people's opinions on the most stable, reliable, fastest, securest, lowest maintenance mail servers in *both* open source and proprietary worlds. Dont know about Windoze, but I work for an ISP and we use qmail + vpopmail + MySQL + Courier-IMAP + Squirrel Mail to support thousands of users. Does this help? ;-) Hi, Could use qmail or postfix, think none of them runs on Win. There are also eximsendmail but not as good IMHO. i use qmail. HTH. Rumen smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [gentoo-user] sorta OT - honest (!) opinions on mailservers
Dont know about Windoze, but I work for an ISP and we use qmail + vpopmail + MySQL + Courier-IMAP + Squirrel Mail to support thousands of users. From some reading this looks like it would fit the bill. Do you know of any helpful howtos for this or similar combos? How much maintenance does it take? We have around 50-100 users and at the moment the maintenance is pretty low (except crashes etc...). Would it be a major effort to get it set up? Would it be possible to migrate the current contents over from mdaemon? What do you use for spam and virus filtering? Cheers Antoine -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] sorta OT - honest (!) opinions on mailservers
Antoine wrote: Hi, I have just realised that we have a dedicated mail server - that means that there are no legacy apps tying us to the doze OS that is currently running it :-). Basically, if I can convince the techie (who is a linux user, though not a fanatic like me ;-)) that there are free alternatives to what we have now (he said MailDaemon, if that is a brand and not just a mail daemon...) that are more reliable and stable alternatives then I can probably convince him (to convince the boss) to change. I would like to have people's opinions on the most stable, reliable, fastest, securest, lowest maintenance mail servers in *both* open source and proprietary worlds. Basically if there is a proprietary windoze server app that is much better, I will just keep my mouth shut. At the moment we have reboots every few weeks and mail sits there for ages sometimes before being delivered... There is only one real requirement apart from being the best (:-)), and that is that there is a fully featured web client (we are currently using WorldClient). We only have web access to our mail from offsite. Thanks for your time! Antoine ps. I guess there are extra issues like virus scanning (all our desktops and almost all our serveurs are running doze...), and whatnot - these are issues that I guess are taken for granted when recommending a best. pps. I know nothing about email! The following configuration is used for few hundreds users, with: 20 Mb message size limit 5000 files per message limit 5000 messages sent/day 7000 messages received/day The user database is shared with other applications. smtp : postfix + pop-before-smtp pop3, imap : courier antivirus : amavisd + clamd + H+BEDV AntiVir (twice scanned because we had unrecognized virus in the past) database : mysql webmail: horde/imp + php + imap (other server) antispam : -none- the iron under is amd64 dual opteron, used for _other_ heavy tasks To port the user from whatever mail daemon the most simply road is export them in a text file, then translate it to sql (INSERT INTO ...). IMHO the best MTA avaiable in opensource world are Postfix and Qmail, always IMHO the opensource MTA are better than the commercial alternatives. -- . These pages are best viewed by coming to my house and looking at . . my monitor. [S. Lucas Bergman (on his website)]. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] sorta OT - honest (!) opinions on mailservers
On Jun 12, 2005, at 1:19 AM, Rumen Yotov wrote: Hi, Could use qmail or postfix, think none of them runs on Win. There are also eximsendmail but not as good IMHO. i use qmail. HTH. Rumen yes, but most knowledgable people know that exim blows the pants off qmail and postfix. There are installations running in the UK with millions of user accounts with exim as the mta and it works just fine, is secure, and is *easy* to manage and maintain with very complex configurations. yes, its MHO, but also the opinion of lots of others who do mail for small to very large organizations professionally Chad -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] sorta OT - honest (!) opinions on mailservers
On Sun, 12 Jun 2005, Antoine wrote: I have just realised that we have a dedicated mail server - that means that there are no legacy apps tying us to the doze OS that is currently running it :-). Basically, if I can convince the techie (who is a linux user, though not a fanatic like me ;-)) that there are free alternatives to what we have now (he said MailDaemon, if that is a brand and not just a mail daemon...) that are more reliable and stable alternatives then I can probably convince him (to convince the boss) to change. I would like to have people's opinions on the most stable, reliable, fastest, securest, lowest maintenance mail servers in *both* open source and proprietary worlds. Dont know about Windoze, but I work for an ISP and we use qmail + vpopmail + MySQL + Courier-IMAP + Squirrel Mail to support thousands of users. Does this help? ;-) -- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
