Re: [geo] Opinion Article on HOME campaign by ETC Group
The notion that geoengineering disempowers those in developing countries is a very odd argument, IMO. How many times do we need to see analyses that say developing countries will be very seriously impacted by climate change before we're willing to say that they have such a huge incentive to see something done about this mess that it's insignificant who is paying for and doing the geoengineering? As I've said in presentations and on my blog, the symbol for climate change should not be a polar bear, but a map of Bangladesh (possibly with the to-be-lost coastal land highlighted in red?). Of course there will be winner and losers. Corporations that build wind turbines, solar panels, batteries for EVs, etc. will have a dramatically brighter future than those that continue to operate with their heads in the sand. (Note the relative ranking; this is not an absolute assessment.) Sadly, corporations involved in disaster cleanup/rebuild will also see increased business... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups geoengineering group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to geoengineering+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to geoengineering@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[geo] Ken and Clive show on KALW radio 91.7 FM today 10 AM Pacific coast US, 1 PM East coast US, 6 PM London, 7 PM Berlin
In about one hour from now: 10 AM Pacific coast US, 1 PM East coast US, 6 PM London, 7 PM Berlin Streaming at: http://www.kalw.org/listen-live The program is Your Call: http://www.kalw.org/listen-live I think my role is to help Clive Hamilton sell his book. (He will be on the show as the voice of reason.) I am also debating him in Berkeley this evening: http://www.earthisland.org/events/skyhack/ This grew out of a debate in the Earth Island Journal: http://www.earthisland.org/journal/index.php/eij/article/hack_the_sky/ ___ Ken Caldeira Carnegie Institution for Science Dept of Global Ecology 260 Panama Street, Stanford, CA 94305 USA +1 650 704 7212 kcalde...@carnegiescience.edu http://dge.stanford.edu/labs/caldeiralab @kencaldeira *Caldeira Lab is hiring postdoctoral researchers.* *http://dge.stanford.edu/labs/caldeiralab/Caldeira_employment.html* Check out the profile of me on NPR's All Things Consideredhttp://www.npr.org/2013/04/22/176344300/this-scientist-aims-high-to-save-the-worlds-coral-reefs -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups geoengineering group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to geoengineering+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to geoengineering@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [geo] Ken and Clive show on KALW radio 91.7 FM today 10 AM Pacific coast US, 1 PM East coast US, 6 PM London, 7 PM Berlin
Do you think Prometheus and Soteria will ever meet and produce offspring? On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Ken Caldeira kcalde...@carnegiescience.edu wrote: In about one hour from now: 10 AM Pacific coast US, 1 PM East coast US, 6 PM London, 7 PM Berlin Streaming at: http://www.kalw.org/listen-live The program is Your Call: http://www.kalw.org/listen-live I think my role is to help Clive Hamilton sell his book. (He will be on the show as the voice of reason.) I am also debating him in Berkeley this evening: http://www.earthisland.org/events/skyhack/ This grew out of a debate in the Earth Island Journal: http://www.earthisland.org/journal/index.php/eij/article/hack_the_sky/ ___ Ken Caldeira Carnegie Institution for Science Dept of Global Ecology 260 Panama Street, Stanford, CA 94305 USA +1 650 704 7212 kcalde...@carnegiescience.edu http://dge.stanford.edu/labs/caldeiralab @kencaldeira *Caldeira Lab is hiring postdoctoral researchers.* *http://dge.stanford.edu/labs/caldeiralab/Caldeira_employment.html* Check out the profile of me on NPR's All Things Consideredhttp://www.npr.org/2013/04/22/176344300/this-scientist-aims-high-to-save-the-worlds-coral-reefs -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups geoengineering group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to geoengineering+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to geoengineering@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- James Fleming STS Program Colby College 5881 Mayflower Hill Waterville, ME 04901 Ph: 207-859-5881 Fax: 207-859-5846 Web: http://www.colby.edu/profile/jfleming http://web.colby.edu/jfleming -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups geoengineering group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to geoengineering+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to geoengineering@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [geo] SECURITY UPDATE : Chemtrails/conspiracy rally planned for 'Hack the Sky' Caldeira talk.
Thanks for the warning, Andrew, but I risked going anyway without my body guards, and glad I did. The chem trail folks were indeed there and at times voiced their agitation over perceived major sky hacking already ongoing, but neither Ken nor Clive accommodated their fears. I think the debate really boiled down to whether or not humans can be trusted with researching and managing climate manipulation. Clive's view seems to be no. On the other hand, he made a startling prediction that, given the relatively low cost, he anticipated that SRM will be done in 30-40 years by one or more developing countries desperate to counter the climate change wreaked on them by the developed world's CO2. That seems an admission that more conventional actions won't work by then, and argues that in the meantime nations must come together to scientifically evaluate whether or not SRM is a viable, safe option before rogue states take matters into their own hands. Ken did a good job in arguing for a rational, open evaluation of the technology and in defusing the Dr. Strangelove persona that the chemtrailers were expecting. Anyway, I think it was an informative evening for the audience, and Earth Island Institute is to be commended for bravely hosting discussion on this important topic. It was nearly a full house; I'd say there were 90 people in attendance. Anyone else from this list? Greg From: Andrew Lockley andrew.lock...@gmail.com To: geoengineering geoengineering@googlegroups.com; Ken Caldeira kcalde...@gmail.com Sent: Mon, May 6, 2013 12:47:46 AM Subject: [geo] SECURITY UPDATE : Chemtrails/conspiracy rally planned for 'Hack the Sky' Caldeira talk. Poster's note : see bottom of below piece for info on rally. Suggest that any well known researchers avoid the area. May be worth asking police to attend. I would advise searching audience for concealed arms before allowing entry. http://www.berkeleydailyplanet.com/issue/2013-05-03/article/41048?headline=Hack-the-Sky---Vivian-Warkentin Public Comment New: Hack the Sky? Vivian Warkentin Sunday May 05, 2013 - 05:54:00 PM On May 9th, 7:00PM at the Brower Center, 2150 Allston way in Berkeley, corporate, billionaire- backed geoengineer, Ken Caldiera will be laying out the scientists' plans to mitigate global warming by blocking sunlight from the earth with chemical jet aerosols, such as sulphur dioxide and aluminum oxide dust. Earth Island Institute, the sponsor of this debate, is calling the event, Hack the Sky? An ethicist, not a scientist, has been chosen to debate Caldiera. Is the Earth Island Institute telling us there are no scientific arguments against this scheme? Arguments like: These chemical dusts will fall to earth to be absorbed and breathed by humans and all living things. The sun gives the earth life. Sunlight is necessary for plants to perform photosynthesis which takes carbon out of the atmosphere. The sun is the source of vitamin D required for human health. I for one, would like to hear from some forestry scientists, soil scientists, ocean scientists, biologists, botanists, entomologists, and non corporate atmospheric scientists. It is time for those who truly care about the environment to question blind trust in scientists and for that matter established environmental organizations. Science at our Universities is sponsored and directed by corporations now. Corporations have discovered that the best way to control environmentalists is to fund them. It seems that the neo environmentalists are running the environmental wing of the global war on terror, scaring us into all sorts of banker, developer, corporation, scientist enriching schemes ala disaster capitalism. I know there are plenty of well meaning caring people working with these groups, but has fear numbed their critical thinking? Geoengineering is massive pollution of the earth and it's inhabitants, and nothing less than the corporate scientific takeover of our greatest commons, our sky and atmosphere, natural weather and climate. It needs to be noted that the description of geoengineering matches what many already regularly observe in our skies. Please show up for this discussion on a subject that has been mostly hidden from the public. There will be an educational rally and march opposing geoengineering beginning at 6:00pm corner of Oxford and University. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups geoengineering group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to geoengineering+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to geoengineering@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/geoengineering?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups geoengineering group. To unsubscribe from this
