Re: [Ghm-discuss] Main Topic for 2012

[John Darrington]

On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 05:46:24PM +0200, Neal H. Walfield wrote:
 Hi,
 
 In the past, each GHM has had a main topic.  Last year the main topic
 was extensibility, in 2010, it was decentralized systems (if I recall
 correctly).  My recollection is that the main topic was really only of
 secondary importance.  Do we want a main topic this year?  If so, what
 should it be?

I'm glad you asked that.  

This will be the first GHM I've attended, so I'm not too sure how they work.
Werner Koch asked me what I wanted to talk about and I suggested interoperation
between GNU programs since I perceive one problem with GNU is its lack of 
cohesion.
I see that Werner has put this proposal on the web site, but I've not had any
feedback on the idea, and if I'm going to talk, then I suppose now would be a 
good time to start preparing something.

However if there's going to be a Main Topic, then I might perhaps talk about
something else which fits that topic, whatever it may be.

What's the process for approving presentation proposals?  What are the time 
limits?   Is there normally a QA session allowed?

Regards,

John



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Re: [Ghm-discuss] Main Topic for 2012

[John Darrington]

On Thu, Jun 07, 2012 at 04:34:28PM -0400, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
 Linux is GPLv2, and Linus Torvalds and the Linux maintainers are strongly 
against v3.
 
 GPLv2 is behind a serious deficiency in copyleft protection with regards 
to TiVo-ization, and hardware makers are already creating products to render 
GPLv2 impotent.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Hurd also GPLv2 ?


J'


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Re: [Ghm-discuss] Let's make it official: choose the date

[John Darrington]

On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 04:08:45PM +0200, Luca Saiu wrote:
 
 We would also like to know how many people are likely to attend.  So, if
 you're seriously considering this, please answer.  We'll set up official
 Registration information later, even if I'd like to keep this side of
 the organization as lightweight as possible.
 
 If you have talk proposals, please write about that as well.
 
 Please answer rapidly.  We want to set the dates, so that people can
 make travel reservations.
 
I will come.  I can also do a talk.  To where do I submit the proposal?

J'

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Re: [Ghm-discuss] Newcomer

[John Darrington]

On Mon, Jul 01, 2013 at 04:10:58PM +0200, Michael Isberg wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I have been using GNU/Linux for a couple of years but I haven't made
 any contributions yet due to lack of competence and time.
 
 I would with the help of others like to create a free SCADA system,
 since I work as a automation engineer, but I feel I need more
 experience and contacts.
 
 So my question is, given my inexperience, can I contribute with
 anything if I attend GHM or is the meeting more suitable for
 experienced programmers?
 

I would certainly be interested in discussing the possibility of working
on a free SCADA system, since it is something I have had experience with 
in the past.   I don't know if I'd have all that much time to dedicate
to such a project, but I'd be interested to talk about it anyway, should 
you decide to attend GHM.

Regards, 

John


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Re: [Ghm-discuss] GHM t-shirts?

[John Darrington]

Will the T shirt have a blinking cursor?


On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 08:10:04PM +0200, Luca Saiu wrote:
 On 2013-07-25 at 20:07, Luca Saiu wrote:
 
  On 2013-07-25 at 12:47, Luca Saiu wrote:
 
  No promises yet, but we're considering having some custom t-shirts made
  for the event.
 
  T-shirts should cost around 10 euros each including taxes, if we order
  thirty.  But maybe 30 would be too many.  Maybe 25?  What would you
  suggest?
 
 The design will be the same as the web banner, only using a public
 domain photo of the Eiffel tower, so that we don't have to print the
 attribution note, which would look horrible on the t-shirt (I made a
 mock-up).  Black.
 
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Re: [Ghm-discuss] T-shirt order

[John Darrington]

I won't be buying a T-Shirt, but I'll gladly donate 10 EUR to the GHM expenses 
fund.

J'

On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 05:27:08PM +0200, Luca Saiu wrote:
 Hello.
 
 After less than 24 hours since announcing the design
 (http://ageinghacker.net/ghm-scratch/banner-t-shirt ), I have requests
 for seven shirts.
 
 I was right about L being the most common size, but in our sample the
 average person wearing clothes embossed with the word hacking or
 hacker is less chubby than I thought:
 
 S: 1  *
 M: 2  **
 L: 3  ***
 XL:1  *(that's me)
 total: 7  ***
 
 If the things end up looking good we won't have problems selling them at
 the meeting, but I don't want to risk having too many left in the end.
 Let's make them a collector item.  I'd go with 25, unless you convince
 me we need more.
 
 I think I'll place the order on Monday.  Please continue pre-ordering to
 let me have a larger sample of the size distribution.
 
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Re: [Ghm-discuss] Will you participate

[John Darrington]

I didn't know there were official dinner events.
Last time we just got pleasantly inebriated at the pub.

When are they and how much?

J'


On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 03:36:45PM +0200, Luca Saiu wrote:
 Hello.
 
 We'd like to have a rough idea about how many people will attend the
 official dinner events, when making reservations.  So please reply to me
 (no need to flood the list) if you think you will come.
 
 Thanks.
 
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Re: [Ghm-discuss] Will you participate

[John Darrington]

On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 08:49:56PM +0200, Luca Saiu wrote:
 On 2013-08-13 at 19:56, John Darrington wrote:
 
  Last time we just got pleasantly inebriated at the pub.
 
  When are they and how much?
 
 Friday and Saturday evening.  I've asked suggestions to a few people
 from Paris who are better informed than me.
 
  I didn't know there were official dinner events.
 
 Maybe events was excessive.  I like pompous language, you know.
 However I don't think we want anything very fancy.  Don't worry.

Well mark my name  down then.  Just let me know if I need to 
bring a dinner jacket and bow tie.

J'

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Re: [Ghm-discuss] Accommodation

[John Darrington]

Is anything happening about this or should I think about booking my own 
accommodation?

J'

On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 12:43:53PM +0200, Jose E. Marchesi wrote:
 
 What are other people doing for accommodation?
 Anyone want to share a room?
 
 The Ooops hostel (listed in the ghm website) is good.  We stayed there
 at the last ghm located in Paris.  I am interested in sharing a room
 there.
 
 I will arrive to Paris Wednesday 21 and will be leaving the 25 or the
 26.
 
 People interested in sharing a room in Oops: please reply to this email
 indicating your travel plans: when you arrive and when you leave.  Then
 we can try to book shared rooms.

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Re: [Ghm-discuss] Starting early: GHM 2014

[John Darrington]

I'm glad that GHM 2014 is being thought about.

I'm also however not entirely happy with merging it into another event.
Perhaps it would be possible to hold GHM immediately before (or after)
the Libre Software Meeting?

J'

On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 06:27:48AM +0200, Luca Saiu wrote:
 Hello everybody.
 
 I've been contacted by Pascal Rullier (in Cc), an organizer of the Libre
 Software Meeting / Rencontres Mondiales du Logiciel Libre.  The 2014
 edition will take place in Montpellier (southern France) from July 5 to
 July 11 2014, and Pascal has kindly offered to host the 2014 GNU Hackers
 Meeting as well at the same event.
 
 We should discuss the exact modalities with him, but he told me they
 have a large 800-seat dedicated amphitheater, with video recording
 facilities.  In my opinion having such a huge place (if reasonably
 filled) may blur the event into something different and more vertical
 than we're used to, but it might be worth a shot.  Or maybe we could try
 asking for a smaller room for our technical meeting but also do some
 talks for the public in a big room, in a way separating the public
 outreach part.  Of course we can still have the GHM open to the public
 as well, but I'm a little hesitant about saying that a program such as
 ours at http://www.gnu.org/ghm/2013/paris/ can attract 800 people within
 a larger conference.  Or maybe I'm just unnecessarily prudent.  What do
 you think?
 
 In any case, let me thank Pascal again.  We don't receive offers such as
 his every day.
 
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Re: [Ghm-discuss] A visit to the Paris astronomic observatory?

[John Darrington]

I'd be interested.  I could manage Thurs, Fri or Saturday

xx

On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 04:35:03PM +0200, Luca Saiu wrote:
 Hello.
 
 Alain Coulais, from the GNU Data Language project, has kindly proposed
 to lead us to a visit to the Paris observatory
 (http://www.obspm.fr/?lang=en ) like we did in 2011 and with the
 possibility of actually observing something -- despite the unfavorable
 period; he says that nothing simple to understand is visible right now.
 
 The thing seems a little hard to organize in the afternoon because we
 finish quite late, but in the evening it might work, after dinner --
 which I guess is a better time to look at the sky anyway.
 
 So, let me ask Alain:
 
 - What time could we do this?  I don't know, is a time such as from
   22:00 or 22:30 to midnight reasonable?  We can do that if we eat soon,
   but I sincerely don't know if this would be OK for the observatory
   people.  I don't know if organizing a visit with little advance, by
   night, is normal or outrageous for you :-).
   Another possibility would be to do it soon in the evening, such as at
   20:00, but that would complicate dinner -- we've not reserved yet, but
   I don't know how many places we will find still open later in the night.
 
 Alain would need a list of the people interested in coming.  So,
 everybody, if you're interested please reply *to the list* as soon as
 possible saying on which nights you're available; particularly if you're
 available on Thursday (I don't know how many people will actually be
 present at the pre-meeting).
 
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[Ghm-discuss] Oops Hotel Paris

[John Darrington]

Anyone who stayed at the Ooops hotel last week, could you send me a quick email.

Thanks.

John

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[Ghm-discuss] GHM 2014 [Was: Re: 30th anniversary t-shirt]

[John Darrington]

On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 11:20:42PM +0200, Luca Saiu wrote:
 On 2013-09-11 at 20:54, John Darrington wrote:
 
  Maybe it was a bit premature then for me to have started on the desidn 
for GHM 2014 ...
 
 You have one year :-).  Actually I really like your logo.  Have you
 shown it to the list?
 

No, I haven't.  Partly because I didn't want to upstage the more immediate GNU 
events,
and also because I didn't want to jump the gun, before the date and venue for 
GHM 2014
is confirmed.   

Christian, have you made any enquiries about the possibility of a 2014 meeting 
at TUM ?

J'

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[Ghm-discuss] GHM 2014

[John Darrington]

As some of you are aware, we have started arrangements for GHM 2014.

To that end, I have put together a web-page :

http://www.gnu.org/ghm/2014

Much of the information I copied from last years' page.  There are two
things I'd like confirmation on:

1.  There is a link to Donations page on Flattr.  Who controls this account, 
and 
if we need to draw funds from it, how do we go about it?

2.  It also says that the FSF has a fund to help finance travel expenses for
attendees.  Is this still true?  How are applications processed and to whom
should they be addressed?

J'



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Re: [Ghm-discuss] Last chance to participate in keysigning

[John Darrington]

I can confirm, that your key is in the ring.

On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 09:44:41PM +0200, b...@gnu.org wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I didn't receive any confirmation that my key was taken into account
 (I sent it a while ago now), and you mention that the keyring will be
 finalized after the August 10 dead-line, so...  Is there a way to
 ensure everything's OK ? :)
 
 - Sylvain
 

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Re: [Ghm-discuss] The posh talk does not complain with the policy

[John Darrington]

On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 12:15:50PM +0200, Jose E. Marchesi wrote:
 
 Agreed.  However having a policy that forbids _any_ humor that may be
 offensive to _anyone_ (as it happens with the current policy) to
 prevent a problem that never happened in the whole history of the event
 seems a bit excessive to me...

As previously mentioned, the primary idae is not to prevent a problem,
but to allay any fears that such a problem might exist.  They have occurred
at other events.
 
 ...but maybe I am wrong, this is a complex topic.  And that is the
 reason why it is important to talk and discuss about this instead of
 blindly adopting a policy that could work very well for US events (which
 according to the terrorific descriptions provided in this thread are
 like the Porkys camp) but not so well in an European background.
 
You have a point about blind adoption of the policy.  But it is certainly
not a US centric one.  A very similar one is used for FOSDEM and for events 
in Australia.

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[Ghm-discuss] policy updated.

[John Darrington]

I have updated the GHM web page with the revised wording which we agreed
to on Sunday.

I hope that closes this issue.

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Re: [Ghm-discuss] [GHM] Suggested fixes for the web page footers

[John Darrington]

Hello Therese,

The GHM "project" is a pseudo-project which has been hacked by many
different individuals over the years.Much of the information
there is for historical interest.

Assuming that your changes only affect the formatting and not the content,
I don't think anyone will object if you go ahead and commit those changes.

J'


On Sat, Jun 04, 2016 at 11:13:45PM +0200, Th??r??se Godefroy wrote:
 Hello,
 
 The GHM pages seem to be perpetuating an old version of the footer, and
 in some of them the #content div doesn't close properly. The attached
 diff fixes this and other minor problems.
 
 If you agree with those changes but don't have time to apply them, I
 will gladly do it.
 
 Best regards,
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Re: [Ghm-discuss] GHM in China

[John Darrington]

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 07:14:21PM +0800, ? - Xu Jizhe wrote:
 Dear organizers of GHM,
 
 This is Xu Jizhe, from Beijing, China, the free software activist in
 China. And I held a lot free software events before, It's cool to hold
 the GHM in China, I'd like to do this, any suggestions?
 

Holding GHM away from the "usual" venues I think would be a good idea.
It would open it up to people who previously would have been unable to attend.

I think we ought to have a slot this year to discuss such issues.

J'
 

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Re: [Ghm-discuss] Attending without having registered

[John Darrington]

On Sat, Jul 02, 2016 at 09:32:07PM +0200, Christian Grothoff wrote:

 3) if you can show that you bought tickets, you can
use the non-EU option and still have food

Does the "United" Kingdom now fall under the non-EU option?
 

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Re: [Ghm-discuss] My idea for GHM 2017

[John Darrington]

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 05:38:44PM +0200, Darshit Shah wrote:
 Last I heard, we were looking into the Linux Hotel in D??sseldorf for the
 next GHM. But I'm not sure what happened about it.

That was considered some years ago.  But for PR reasons we  should not hold GNU 
events at the "Linux" hotel.
 
 I completely agree that having such a deal where we can mix accommodation
 and conference expenses would be a great benefit for everybody. Although
 as Christian pointed out at one of the discussions during GHM 2016, it
 might make the event out of bounds for a few people.  Not everyone paid
 the ???50 per day but instead only paid for the cost of accommodation
 which can be far cheaper. It would be one item to consider.

In previous years the FSF has made available a small fund for subsidising people
who would otherwise be unable to attend, and so far as I know this fund is still
available.  Also, I think that most people would not object to paying (say) 5EUR
over and above the cost of the venue in order to support such people.
 
 If you do have any ideas for locations of such hostels, please do share.

There are plenty such places advertised in the internet.  For example have a 
look
at http://gruppenunterkuenfte.de  We just have to decide on something suitable.
 

The biggest issue, as I see it - is finding someone willing to organise it.
I can help, as I did in 2014 - but others would need to do their bit too :)

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Re: [Ghm-discuss] My idea for GHM 2017

[John Darrington]

On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 08:59:12AM +, ng0 wrote:
 
 Is there a country/region already for the next meeting so I could help
 locate/gather potential venues and hostels and similar places?

I think there has been an implicit assumption that it'll be Western Europe 
"somewhere".   However I personally would be open to other suggestions too.

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[Ghm-discuss] GHM 2017 Update

[John Darrington]

It is less that 2 months away from the point where we have to either
confirm or cancel GHM 2017.  Right now, we don't quite have enough confirmed 
registrations to proceed.

Previous experience of Gnu events have shown that many people commit themselves
right at the last possible moment.  Unfortunately that isn't going to work this
time - we need to confirm the venue in advance.

If you have any aquantainces who have indicated an intention to attend, but have
not yet registered, then please give them a gentle reminder.

A couple of people have registered but not yet paid (you know who you are) - 
it would be great if we could get your money soon.

Less urgently, there are a number of tasks for which we need volunteers.  
For example, "master of ceremonies", co-ordination of car-pooling, audio-visual
recording, arranging the program (I think someone put his hand up for that, but
I'm not sure).   If you can help with any of these tasks please reply to this
post.

Hope to see you all at GHM 2017.

J'


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Re: [Ghm-discuss] GHM 2017 Update

[John Darrington]

On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 08:52:50PM +0200, Ricardo Wurmus wrote:
 
 John Darrington <j...@darrington.wattle.id.au> writes:
 
 > Less urgently, there are a number of tasks for which we need
 > volunteers.  For example, "master of ceremonies", co-ordination of
 > car-pooling, audio-visual recording, arranging the program[???].  If you
 > can help with any of these tasks please reply to this post.
 
 Do you have equipment for audio and video recording or would the person
 who volunteers for helping out with recording have to arrange for
 recording equipment?

I don't have any recording equipment and so far as I'm aware there is none 
provided by the hotel.   So if we want to have a record, then somebody will have
to arrange something.

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Re: [Ghm-discuss] Bringing in Hacker's Equipment ?

[John Darrington]

On Thu, Aug 03, 2017 at 10:27:26PM +0200, Tim R?hsen wrote:
 
 Or is it all more about sitting and chatting and listing to talks and 
drinking ?

I think that's about the size of it! In case we have fine weather it would 
be
great if someone takes the initiative to organise some kind of outdoor 
actitivites
in the evenings.

 Are people expected to bring in some computer equipment ? What about 
network 
 at that place (LAN, WLAN) ? 

You're certainly not expected to bring anything except an open mind.  However, 
you're
welcome to bring a laptop if you wish (at your own risk).   WLAN is available at
no cost - but don't expect a huge bandwidth.

For talks there is a beamer at the hotel.  - I expect it's not super high 
quality - 
I think there was somebody on this list (I can't remember who) who was going to 
bring some equipment to record the talks.

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Re: [Ghm-discuss] GHM keysigning

[John Darrington]

A few more people have added their names to the list for keysigning, and there
were a few corrections.

The current list is at http://darrington.wattle.id.au/keys_20170812.txt

Please check that yours is correct.  Send me any additions or corrections.

The list must be finalised before people travel.

So please send me any updates this week.

Thanks, 


John

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[Ghm-discuss] GHM - Some final hints.

[John Darrington]

Hello everyone.

Some final words before GHM.

1. There is an updated programme at https://www.gnu.org/ghm/programme.html

2. Don't forget that if you are taking the "Anruefsammeltaxi from the Marlsfeld
   railway station this must be booked 30 minutes in advance.  I checked the 
website
   today, and the telephone number appears to have changed from that previously 
   advertised.  But so far as I'm aware the old one will still work.  Here are
   both of them:

   05681 7779955

   0800 939 0800

   The relevant web page is 
https://www.nvv.de/fileadmin/nvv/download/fahrplaene/491.pdf
   Your final destination is "Knuellwald-Niederbeisheim Zum Muelhrain"

3. If anyone gets stranded and desperately needs help.  Call my mobile: 
   01514 0336849 


4. Have fun!


J'



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[Ghm-discuss] GHM 2018

[John Darrington]

"Bids" are now being accepted for hosting GHM 2018.

If you know of somewhere in your region where we could possibly hold the
meeting, and you are willing to help organise it, please send a message
to ghm-plann...@gnu.org

J'


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Re: [Ghm-discuss] First GHM 2018 Organizing Meeting

[John Darrington]

On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 09:51:34PM +0200, Mikkel Kirkgaard Nielsen wrote:
 
 
 On 13 September 2017 21:29:46 CEST, Alex Sassmannshausen 
 
 >The meeting will take place on Friday 15 September at 20h Central
 >European Summer Time (22h UTC) in the #ghm channel on Freenode.
 
 I notice that the specified time is inconsistent.
 
 CEST = UTC+2, so 20:00 CEST is 18:00 UTC. 
 
I think you're right.  I mislead Alex with my question some time ago.  I think
that 18h UTC is correct.
 

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Re: [Ghm-discuss] Keysigning Party - Missing Keys

[John Darrington]

On Wed, Sep 06, 2017 at 03:44:01PM +0200, Darshit Shah wrote:

 I'd like to ask everyone else that participated if
 there was any trouble with signing my keys or sending them back to me?

Actually there is:  pius gives me the error message:

 There was a problem talking to the mail server (localhost): (530, '5.7.0 
Authentication required', 'j...@cellform.com')

whenever it tries to send a key.

I remember from my last experience with pius that it was a PITA but I can't
remember how I solved it.  Does anyone else have a suggestion or an easier way
of sending keys?

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[Ghm-discuss] Feedback GHM 2017

[John Darrington]

I'd like to extend a big "thank you" to all those people who participated in 
GHM 2017.

It would be great if you would all do one last thing and give use your feedback 
about the event.
To that end I have set up two web pages:

https://www.gnu.org/ghm/blog.html  where you can send general free form text 
comments.  We will
use these to post on the web site, by way of promotion for future events.

https://www.gnu.org/ghm/survey-2017.html  A multiple chose questionairre (these 
data will not 
be published).  This will help us identify issues which we need to improve next 
year.


Thanks for your cooperation.

J'


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Re: [Ghm-discuss] First GHM 2018 Organizing Meeting

[John Darrington]

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 04:44:48PM +0200, Catonano wrote:
 
 Is the 15th on line gathering a final deadline for a proposal for a venue
 in Apulia ?
 
 Because I'm talking to some people and they all are asking for more time,
 at least until the beginning of october for giving me an estimate of the
 cost per person.
 
 There seems to be an emotional factor that makkes difficult to make an
 offer right now. They need the season to be definitively over.


Great  to know that you're making preparations.

I don't think any deadlines have been set.Obviously it is advantageous to
be able to set the venue as soon as reasonably possible.   If you haven't done
so already, it might be an idea to have a few backup possibilities in mind
in case the first venue is unavailable or is unsuitable for some reason.
 
J'

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Re: [Ghm-discuss] Keysigning Party - Missing Keys

[John Darrington]

I just haven't got around to it yet.

I'll do it in the next few days.

J'

On Wed, Sep 06, 2017 at 03:44:01PM +0200, Darshit Shah wrote:
 Hi,
 
 At the last GHM we had a keysigning party where about 8-10 of us
 participated in exchanging keys and cross signing them.
 
 However, as of date, I have only received signatures from 2 of the
 participants. Hence, I'd like to ask everyone else that participated if
 there was any trouble with signing my keys or sending them back to me?
 
 
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Re: [Ghm-discuss] First GHM 2018 Organizing Meeting

[John Darrington]

On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 07:44:30PM +0200, Ricardo Wurmus wrote:
 
 Hi Alex,
 
 > The first organising meeting just finished.  Attached you should find
 > the meeting notes (org format).  Don't hesitate to respond if you have
 > questions / need clarifications.
 
 Thanks for the notes!  I couldn???t attend as my flight got delayed.
 
 > The next meeting will be Friday 29 September at 20h CET. Primary Agenda
 > item:
 > - discussion of financial organisation of next meeting.
 
 As John Sullivan wrote, the FSF is willing to handle finances for us.
 Is there really much to discuss here?
 
Yes and no.  John Sullivan has indicated willingness to allow us to use their
bank account for collecting monies.

In the absence of any better suggestion it solves that particular question.

But it opens up a whole lot more (for example):

1.  How long will it take between somebody paying, and us (the organisers) 
getting
confirmation?  My guess is > 7 days.

2.  If we have to draw money in advance, (Eg: to put down a deposit for a 
booking),
how will that be possible? (will it be possible at all?)


"Financial Organisation" is a bit wider I think than what John Sullivan was 
offering.
Other questions relating to finance include:

* What level or surplus (or deficit) should we aim to achieve?
* What cost should we try to charge attendees?
* What policy should we have for subsidised attendance, and who decides?
* What should the cancellation policy be?

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Re: [Ghm-discuss] GHM 2018: processing payments

[John Darrington]

A few things to bear in mind:

1. If we are in effect "sharing" a bank account with another organisation, then
it does mean that payees must be very careful what they put in the comment 
fields,
so that the account holder knows to whom the money belongs.  Not everyone is
careful about doing this - and indeed when sending money from outside of SEPA
countries might have no control over this. 

2. Having an account with an IBAN number to which people can transfer money is
one thing.  I'm sure we can find somebody who will let us do that.
Being able to access the account statement (Umsatz) information on demand is
another.  I'm not sure that any of these organisations will let us do that,
and without it difficulties arise - for example people always insist on paying
at the last minute - which means we have to be able to check up at the last
minute whether that person really has paid.  It would be extremely inconvenient,
to have to continually email (say) the treasurer of the RFF, to find out what
deposits (if any) have been made in our favour in the last 24 hours.

3. A couple of people wanted a tax receipt for their payments.  Having a bank 
accout does solve that problem.

J'


 PS: should the discussions about the organisation of GHM 2018 be done
 here or is there a separate mailing list?

Perhaps such a mailing list should be set up.
 

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Re: [Ghm-discuss] Joining GHM Discuss

[John Darrington]

Hi Christopher,

Glad you managed to subscribe.

Posting mail encoded in HTML however is frowned upon (by me at any rate).  Can 
you set your MUA
to send in plain text?

J'

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 10:38:20PM +0200, Christopher Dimech wrote:
 head>div style=font-family: Verdana;font-size: 
12.0px;">I have now subscribed, thank you
 
 
 Sent:Wednesday, August 30, 
2017 at 9:40 PM
 From:Alfred M. Szmidt a...@gnu.org
 To:Christopher Dimech dim...@gmx.com
 Cc:ghm-discuss@gnu.org
 Subject:Re: [Ghm-discuss] Joining GHM Discuss
 
 I would like to join the ghm-discuss group 
please
 
 You can subscribe to this list at https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/ghm-discuss; 
target="_blank">https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/ghm-discuss
 
 
 

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Re: [Ghm-discuss] apologies

[John Darrington]

On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 11:55:31AM +0100, Ander Juaristi wrote:
 
 Wow, my proposal has received better critique than I would have expected!
 
 I'll start getting in touch with hotels, hostels, etc. in the area and
 see what feedback I get. I'll keep you posted.

Please do.  As someone else mentioned, there was an overwhelming opinion that
having the accommodation, meals and seminar room in the same place added a lot
to the success of the event.  So we would be looking for a place with ca. 30 
rooms,
meals included, and a seminar room.  And I think we should aim to keep the costs
similar to what they were this year (ie: 50-60 EUR per person, per day).
 
 My parents say (and they're right) that the cost of any accommodation in
 the city dramatically increases in summer so I should
 watch out for this. In the event that the price exceeds some reasonable
 amount I shall start looking in nearby towns.

That is true, and places book out fast, so I suggest that you make enquiries
without delay.
 
 John/Alex, is it okay if I get in touch with either of you off-list to
 ask some specific questions on how you managed the logistics for last
 GHM?

Sure.

J'

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Re: [Ghm-discuss] GHM Ruhrarea? GHM multiple regions?

[John Darrington]

On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 10:43:21AM +, ng0 wrote:

 How many times did we have cities in NRW (Germany) in the past
 years?

We once held GHM in Dusseldorf.

 I could arrange something at the hackerspace and social community
 center it is located in (Soziales Zentrum Bochum) or something
 in the broader region of the Ruhrarea.

Those kind of locations have been used in the past.  However there was
a concensus that the 2017 meeting was very successful because the meeting
and accommodation was all in the same building.   I think we should try
to reproduce that.
 
 But as some people have already noticed, past GHMs have been in
 Europe and for location diversity and good oportunities of people
 living elsewhere it would be good to organize in different regions.

 But I have notived that in previous years we had multiple GHMs in
 different countries or regions of countries in one year.
 So if we had GHM 2019 Brazil and GHM 2019 Russia and Germany, would
 that work out?
 I've noticed that handling of payments should have been moved to an
 external organization after last GHM. Local people organize the
 venues. Are there any major roadblockers for multiple regions per
 year?

I'm not aware of there ever having been more than one GHM in a single
year, and we're struggling to organise that, so I think that more than 
one per year is probably too much at this stage.


There have been several GHMs in Germany.   I think, if possible, somewhere
else would be good, if only to give people in other countries, who can't
afford to travel long distances a chance to participate.

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Re: [Ghm-discuss] apologies

[John Darrington]

On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 12:57:21AM -0200, Rodrigo Rodrigues da Silva wrote:
 
 Maybe it is a bit too early now but I could propose something for 2019.
 Rio de Janeiro (where I live now) seems to be an obvious choice (and
 organizing as a local makes things much easier) but of course there are
 many options in Brazil, from a 20M metropolis to that little village
 near the mountains/beach.

I don't think it is too early.  Obviously concrete prices etc for 2019 
wont be available at this stage, but now is about the right time to look
for potential venues.

Please make a short list of possibilities - along with 2018 prices.

Thanks.

John

PS.  And in case Rio de Janerio falls through, I would encourage anyone else on
this list to look at places in their region.  If your offer is not taken
for 2019, there is always 2020 ...


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Re: [Ghm-discuss] apologies

[John Darrington]

Well thanks for trying, anyway.

Does anyone else have any suggestions?   So far we have had only one proposal,
and IMO it is not entirely appropriate.  It would be good to get some more 
ideas.

J'

On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 03:42:12PM +0100, Catonano wrote:
 I apologize for my performance in searching a place for the ghm 2018.
 
 I mismanaged my agenda and I couldn't function properly.
 
 I'm sorry.

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Re: [Ghm-discuss] Possible GHM 2018 accommodation

[John Darrington]

On Fri, Dec 08, 2017 at 10:04:20AM +0100, Ander Juaristi wrote:
 
 This is what I shall do once I get back home next week:
 
  - Try reaching those places by phone, and get some exact figures, like
 price, etc.
  - Try harder looking for more similar places in the area, so we have
 more options to choose from.
 
 Jakub's text version is updatable by everyone, I think, so I can post my
 updates there if you prefer.

It sounds like a plan.  I suggest that you do this without delay, because it is
very likely that many places are already booked out for August.

I also suggest that you don't restrict your search to the city.  Look a bit
further afield, so that you get more choice and probably cheaper options too.

J'
 

Re: [Ghm-discuss] apologies

[John Darrington]

I agree that we should in the future try to arrange a GHM outside of Europe.

Would you like to propose something?

J'


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[Ghm-discuss] Possible GHM 2018 accommodation

[John Darrington]

I had a brief look at the list and the websites.  IMO these 3 seem like 
possibilities:

https://www.downtownriverhostel.es/en/
http://www.urbanhousesansebastian.com/
https://www.aroominthecity.eu/

So perhaps if you're in the region you could check them out.

Most of the others are a bit too up-market for us I think (~250EUR per person 
per night + food + conference room).We can talk about arranging that sort
of GHM, but it would certainly be very different from any we've had in the 
past.  Personally I would prefer to keep the price down so that the event is
accessible to as many people as possible.

J'




On Thu, Dec 07, 2017 at 07:57:02PM +0100, Jakub Macha??ek wrote:
 Hi
 
 
 Without google:
 
 https://pad.riseup.net/p/0VZCFaNyJatM
 
 
 
 
 Cheers
 

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Re: [Ghm-discuss] apologies

[John Darrington]

On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 05:23:08PM +0200, Ricardo Wurmus wrote:
 
 Hi Matthias,
 
 > this was the last message I've received concerning GHM 2018.
 > Was it the last one or is the list not working vor me?
 
 Indeed, this seems to have been the last message.
 
 > I would very much like to attend the next GHM, even more so if
 > it takes place in San Sebastian.
 
 I don???t know if at this point there is enough time left to successfully
 organize the GHM in 2018, unless someone has already negotiated with
 hostels / conference spaces in the area.
 
 We had offers to organize the GHM in Crete(?), southern Italy, and San
 Sebastian, but I don???t know what came of these early plans.  I also seem
 to remember a fall-back plan to organize the next meeting in
 Switzerland.
 
 Is anyone currently in the process of planning for the GHM?
 
 (I probably won???t be able to attend this time, unfortunately.)
 

The planning seems to have stalled, because nobody came forward with a viable
venue to host it.I recall that the venue in Switzerland was deemed not
suitable because of it's small sleeping capacity and because it was 
self-catering
only.

If somebody comes forward with either

A) A suitable alternative venue;   OR

B) An offer to organise the catering

then we can try to arrange a GHM accordingly.

However, like you say, it is very late in the day now.


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Re: [Ghm-discuss] GNU Hacker's Meeting 2019 - Madrid

[John Darrington]

On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 09:46:38AM +0100, Jose E. Marchesi wrote:
 
 
 a) During the last week of July.
 b) During the first week of September.
 
 Which one you think is better?

Both are equally good for me.
 
 As for the duration of the event, I was thinking about 3 complete days,
 like we did in the recent editions.

Sounds good to me.
 

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Re: [Ghm-discuss] Booking transport etc for GHM...

[John Darrington]

On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 11:43:25AM +0200, Jose E. Marchesi wrote:
 
 I hesitate to book expensive flights / hotel before it is sure that GHM
 really takes place. Is it possible to give us a note here when enough
 registrations have been made ?
 
 I will send periodic updates on the number of people who registered, and
 talks.
 
 At this point, there are 6 subscribers.


This is the usual paradox organising something like GHM: 

Nobody wants to commit themselves to going, until they know that
enough people are going to be sure that the event will happen.

On the other hand, usually people will commit to going if you threaten
to cancel the event a few weeks before it's scheduled.

Consequently, very few people register until just before the event
happens.


J'

Re: [Ghm-discuss] GHM in India

[John Darrington]

On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 10:14:45AM +0530, Srikar Arepalli wrote:
 Hi All,
 
 I'm Srikar volunteering for FSF-India as Student coordinator, also Alumni
 lead of VGLUG https://vnrvjietglug.wordpress.com/ . VGLUG stands for VNR
 GNU/Linux Users Group, aka, Swatantra Software Sangham of VNRVJIET. Being
 an alumni of VNRVJIET (http://vnrvjiet.ac.in/). I can request the college
 management to host the event. But I need some details before I initiate
 the discussion with them.


 
 We have a big auditorium capable of accommodating 500 participants,
 equipped with good projector and sound system. Are you aiming for more
 than 500 participants? Along with it we have mini seminar halls and
 classrooms all equipped with projectors and speakers.

500 is way too big!   I think the most people we've ever had at GHM is
about 55.
 
 > > 2.  You need to make arrangements for somewhere for people to eat and
 > > sleep - either make sure that everyone can get a hotel that suits
 > > them,
 > > or (better) if it can be in the same establishment as the auditorium,
 > > then it's easier for all concerned.
 
 There are guest rooms for speakers inside the campus. But I need to check
 how many of them can be accommodated.

If there was accommodation for about 30 people then I think that might
work.  Any excess attendees could presumably find a hotel to suit their
budget and expectations.

 Student members of VGLUG can volunteer for the event and help you.

When organising an event like GHM (or any event) it needs somebody to
take general ownership of the whole event.  Having extra volunteers is
great, but coordinating them is often the big issue.I think we have
about 3 GNU maintainers in India, and India is a big land.   If GHM were
to happen in India, then somebody in India, and with local knowledge 
would have to assume responsibility for all aspects relating to meals, 
accomodation and auditorium.
 
 It will help students, if not completely free, atleast giving them some
 discount might attract more students.

The primary purpose of GHM is to allow existing GNU maintainers and
contributors to meet and exchange technical ideas as well as social
interaction.  As such, attracting a large number of people not
previously connected with GNU is not a primary goal.  Of course, if
there are people with a genuine interest who want to attend, then we
wouldn't refuse them.   

The FSF does organise other events intended for persons on the periphery
or outside Free Software.  Your 500 seat auditorium sounds more suitable
for one of those.  See https://www.fsf.org/events/rms-speeches.html  if
you want to organise one of those.

 
 Can I know theme of talks, will they be of help to undergraduate and
 graduate students?

In the past, the talks have been decided at the last minute.  You can
look at the achives of previous events to get an idea of what might
be offered. https://www.gnu.org/ghm/previous.html


A few personal opinions which others may or may not agree with:

GHM at a university has a number of advantages, including good 
technical facilities,  internet connection etc.   On the other hand
there are drawbacks.  For example, they tend to send around security 
staff to kick us out of the meeting room at 6pm.

For that reason, like Darshit said,  I think a meeting in a medium 
sized hotel or guesthouse gives a better experience all round.  Of
course the perfect environment will never be found, so GHM at an
academic institute can be fun too.

J'


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Re: [Ghm-discuss] GHM in India

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On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 08:47:52AM +0530, sri...@ninthfloor.org wrote:
 Im interested in helping them organize one in India.  Let me know how I 
can help you.



There are several aspects to organising GHM.

1.  You need to find an auditorium - it need not be fancy, but somewhere with
an overhead projector and enough seats for everyone.   So this place
whereever it is must be booked well in advance.

2.  You need to make arrangements for somewhere for people to eat and
sleep - either make sure that everyone can get a hotel that suits them,
or (better) if it can be in the same establishment as the auditorium,
then it's easier for all concerned.

3.  Having made those arrangements, you will need to announce GHM in
sufficient time in advance.  Remember people will have to book flights etc.
Promoting the event can be one of the most time consuming aspects!
It's also important that you keep everyone updated after they have
registered.

4.  You will need to keep a list of everyone who has registered, to attend,
and (if applicable) paid their money.

5.  In the past, we have offered financial assistance to people who
cannot otherwise attend.Applications must be considered, approved etc.

6.  You will need to organise the talks.  Who is talking about what, and
for how long?

Some of those tasks can be delegated to others.

GHM 2019 is already being organised.  Personally I think a GHM in India
would be great, but I don't know what other people think?

Re: [Ghm-discuss] Dinner on Tuesday, 3rd Sept

[John Darrington]

My flight doesn't arrive until 22:00 so it's probably going to be too
late for Dinner.
:(

On Mon, Sep 02, 2019 at 12:32:11AM +0200, Jose E. Marchesi wrote:
 
 Is anyone arriving in Madrid on Tuesday?  I arrive around 18:30 at
 MAD and would like to meet with whoever is available for a pre-GHM
 dinner.
 
 Good idea.
 
 Let's meet Tuesday at 21:00 in Plaza de Callao (Metro Station "Callao"),
 which is near the city center and easily reachable.
 
 We can meet just next to the entrance of the metro station.  That should
 be:
 
40??25'12.0"N 3??42'20.9"W
 
 

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Re: [Ghm-discuss] GHM 2020 First location proposals

[John Darrington]

Personally, I'm happy to pay the higher price for the Vielank place.

However I know that there are people who are interested in GHM
and have very limited disposable income, so I think we should try
to keep costs as low as possible.


On Sat, Sep 14, 2019 at 12:38:32PM +0200, Tim R??hsen wrote:
 
 Con: Only available from October - March (else full of school classes)

This is going to always be a problem.  August will be the worst month.
Perhaps we should consider moving the time of year that we hold GHM?


Any news on the Indian option?  I think there are some people looking 
into that possibility.

J'

Re: [Ghm-discuss] GHM 2020 CCC or Dock Europe location

[John Darrington]

On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 12:44:55PM +0200, Tim R??hsen wrote:
 
 Another opportunity would be in the same building, at
 https://www.dock-europe.net/. These offer seminar rooms and even have 34
 beds in 2/3/4 beds a room (no single bed rooms).
 
 (including 7% or 19% VAT - 14 rooms, sleeps 34 - per person / night)
 
 Twin room (10x available) 27,00 ???
 Single room (2BZ for single use) 42,00 ???
 Triple room (2x available) 25,00 ???
 (1 double bed downstairs with two mattresses, 1 single bed upstairs)
 Quadruple Room (2x available) 22,00 ???
 (1 double bed upstairs with two mattresses, 1 single bed upstairs, 1
 single bed downstairs)
 
 Bed linen and towel (compulsory) once per person ??? 6.00
 Breakfast (optional) per person / day: 6,00 ???
 
 The seminar rooms are: 47qm, 120???/day (max 30 seats)
 or 92qm, 195???/day
 
 They are currently unoccupied for 19.-21.8.2020.
 They have a kitchen where we can cook tea/coffee.
 They cooperate with a cantina in house (have to find out the opening
 times yet). There are also plenty of restaurants nearby from cheap
 (D??ner) to ...

This dock-europe place sounds very promising.  It's even centrally located!  
Tim, as you're in the area, I suggest that you check it out. 

Personally, I think there is a greater sense of community if everyone
eats in the same place, so if we can negotiate a package deal with the 
canteen there, that'd be great.

J'

Re: GHM 2020: Swiss edition

[John Darrington]

On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 01:51:21PM +0100, Christian Grothoff wrote:
 On 11/11/19 1:36 PM, John Darrington wrote:
 > But like Jose says, I think Tim is about to announce arrangements for the
 > regular annual GHM.   I think it's great that people are organising more
 > meetings, but we should not let each one "compete" with each other.  So
 > let's keep the https://www.gnu.org/ghm/2020 page for the regular summer 
GHM.
 
 Well, I don't see this as competing. It's not like it's in the same week
 or even month ;-).

That would be a valid argument if GHM was a local event.  But people
travel from other continents to come to GHM.  Those people need to 
plan ahead months in advance.  If we announce a "GHM" every month, then
they won't know which to plan for and will probably not bother.
 
 That said, I think we could just put all 2020 events on one big page
 (with an index inside the page), instead of having another separate
 index page or people going straight for /ghm/2020/ and not finding all
 2020 meetings.

I think  one (and only one) of these meetings should be nominated the
canonical GHM.


J'
 




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Re: GHM Swiss Edition: Finances

[John Darrington]

On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 10:41:05AM +0100, Tim R??hsen wrote:
 
 Thanks for offer helping out GHM budget.
 
 Hopefully, we won't have any expenses (room + projector are a free offer
 by CCC Hamburg). Maybe if something gets broken.
 
 Anyways, thank you for organizing GHM Swiss. I really hope to come next
 year - an early announcement or a week later would improve my chances.
 
 CU at GHM Hamburg !?
 
 Regards, Tim

There was also a significant surplus from the 2017 GHM, which was
deposited with the FSF.

I suggest that GHM surpluses in future be held in one place, and used
to subsidise future ones.

Re: [CFP] Binary T00ls Summit 2022

[John Darrington]

Is this web conferencing system runnable using 100% free software (including
the Javascript, if any is necessary)?

J'

On Wed, Feb 02, 2022 at 08:17:42PM +0100, Jose E. Marchesi wrote:
 
 The venue of the event will be an instance of the Big Blue Button web
 conferencing system, accessible using Firefox, Chromium and other web
 browsers.  We will be having a single track that will span for three
 days during a weekend.
 

Re: GHM 2022 in October at İzmir, Turkey

[John Darrington]

Thumbs up to Luca and Ege,

Obviously the biggest question mark with any kind of travel at the moment is
COVID.  Who knows whether one will be allowed to enter Turkey in October, and
whether one will be allowed to return home afterwards.

So it will, I think, be necessary to very closely keep an eye on the rules,
and to have some backup plans if plan A proves to be unworkable.

J'

On Sat, Jan 22, 2022 at 09:11:30PM +0100, Luca Saiu wrote:
 Hello.
 
 My fiancée Ege and I would like to organise the next GNU Hackers'
 Meeting in the city of İzmir, on the Aegean coast of Turkey.
 
 Turkey accepts visitors from a wide range of countries without requiring
 visas while still being easy to reach from Europe: by having the meeting
 there we intend to welcome some new participants, in addition to the
 regulars.
 
 Ege comes from that region and will arrange the venue; I will deal
 with what for some reason we have always called the «remote» part of the
 work, which is to say handle talk proposals and abstracts.
 
 The meeting will take place in October, which is the best choice for
 that region: the weather will be milder, and the prices lower.  The main
 presentation will still happen over a weekend, as in most of the
 previous editions.  Concerning the venue we are in contact with a hotel
 where the participants would also have the option to sleep -- cheaper
 alternatives being also available in the vicinity.
 
 We will send updates later as we learn more details.  We think that
 everything will be finalised by the Summer; in the mean time we would
 like to sample your interest.  Please understand that this is still
 tentative, and we cannot give guarantees; still, if you are interested,
 you may want to keep your October weekends free.
 
 
 About talk proposals, we accept technical presentations about GNU and
 other free software projects.  A web page will be prepared later; for
 the time being if you have an idea for a talk you can write to me in
 private.
 
 -- 
 Luca Saiu
 * My personal web site:  http://ageinghacker.net
 * GNU Jitter:https://www.gnu.org/software/jitter
 * GNU epsilon:   https://www.gnu.org/software/epsilon
 
 I support everyone's freedom of mocking any opinion or belief, no
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 enthusiasm of a toddler who has just learned the word "poo".

Re: GHM 2022 in October at İzmir, Turkey

[John Darrington]

I can't remember whether I actually expressed an interest or not.  But let
me express it now.  Yes I am interested.  However I can't actually commit
myself at this moment.

J'

On Thu, Jun 09, 2022 at 11:52:30PM +0200, Luca Saiu wrote:
 Hello.
 
 The time we proposed for GHM 2022 is approaching but unfortunately we
 only received three messages expressing interest.  If we are to hold the
 event then we need more participants; at this stage a simple informal
 expression of interest is enough.
 
 The event is planned for an extended weekend (with talks from Friday to
 Saturday) in October 2022 in İzmir, Turkey.  For the time being all the
 infamous entry barriers or restrictions are lifted in Turkey, with the
 exception of medical facilities.  İzmir is well-linked with European
 airports, in many cases by daily direct flights.
 
 Please let us know either in private or here on the list if you want to
 attend and, even more important, if you would like to contribute with a
 talk.  Any technical topic regarding GNU and other free software is
 welcome.
 
 -- 
 Luca Saiu
 * My personal web site:  http://ageinghacker.net
 * GNU Jitter:https://www.gnu.org/software/jitter
 * GNU epsilon:   https://www.gnu.org/software/epsilon
 
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 enthusiasm of a toddler who has just learned the word "poo".

Re: Happy to have met you again at FOSDEM

[John Darrington]

Hi Luca and Ege,

Sorry I couldn't make it.  I'm currently in the USA so it really wasn't 
possible for me.

Maybe next year.  ... but I certainly hope we'll meet again before.

J'

On Sun, Feb 05, 2023 at 10:59:17PM +0100, Luca Saiu wrote:
> Unfortunately Ege and I could not meet most of the friends again before
> leaving today.
> 
> It was really nice to see you again.
> 
> -- 
> Luca Saiu
> * My personal web site:  https://ageinghacker.net
> * GNU Jitter:https://www.gnu.org/software/jitter
> * GNU epsilon:   https://www.gnu.org/software/epsilon
> 
> I support everyone's freedom of mocking any opinion or belief, no
> matter how deeply held, with open disrespect and the same unrelented
> enthusiasm of a toddler who has just learned the word "poo".