Re: [Gimp-developer] Actions palette
On Fri, 19 Apr 2002 03:14:20 +0200, Branko Collin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 18 Apr 2002, at 13:42, ATIS AUNGABSEE wrote: On Photoshop we can use the actions palette to easily reccord every action we do on with the picture while working by just clicking the reccord button on the palette and play those action again on others file that we want to do that same procedure with the files. [...] The GIMP is able to perform a series of image manipulation action over and over again, but you have to program these rather than record them. Maybe it will soon be possible to record some scripts automatically in the developer's version of the GIMP (the one that is in CVS, definitely not the 1.2.x version). But soon is not defined yet... Two weeks ago, I spent some hours adding a very preliminary support for a kind of script recorder. The basic idea is to add a new global pointer to a GimpRecorder struct. If this pointer is not NULL, then all actions that are performed through the PDB are added to a list that is included in this structure (name of proc + parameters). Later, this list can be converted to a script when the user stops recording. This can be Script-Fu, Perl-Fu or other languages: it should not be too hard to translate the list of PDB calls to any scripting language. But this is not working yet: there are still some actions that I cannot capture (no PDB call is generated) and there are some PDB calls that I have to filter out (because I only want to record the top-level actions initiated by the user from the GUI). I am still not sure if the best solution is to keep track of the depth of the PDB calls and filter out the nested calls (so that if the user calls a script, the PDB calls made by this script will not be recorded) or if I should check the state of the undo stack, or both. I still have to experiment a bit with that. But the main problem is still to be able to capture all actions as PDB calls. There are many operations that can be done from the GUI without generating any PDB interaction, and I have to change that. I started doing that two weeks ago, but I haven't been able to continue since then (not enough spare time). I hope that I will have a few more hours in the coming weeks to experiment a bit more. Although this is still in a very preliminary stage, maybe there is hope that you will see a script recorder before GIMP 9.0 is out... -Raphaël ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] action files in GIMP?
On Fri, 19 Apr 2002 13:00:29 +0200, Steinar H. Gunderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 03:17:35AM +0200, Branko Collin wrote: I guess the easiest way to do that would be to store the output of your program as a script-fu script. Or Perl-Fu -- I'd guess most people are slightly more comfortable writing Perl than Scheme... But that would only work for a minority of GIMP users. Nowadays, for better or worse, the majority of GIMP users seem to be Windows users (in contrast with the developers, who are almost exclusively Linux users or UN*X users). And getting Gimp-Perl to work under Windows is not a trivial task (this can also be a problem on several other non-Linux systems), so it is easier for most people to use Script-Fu because it works out of the box on all systems. Besides, for someone who is not a programmer and does not know anything about Perl and Scheme, I do not think that there is a big difference in the learning curve. Some people may be more comfortable writing Perl than Scheme, but that's usually because they already know Perl or a similar language, not because Perl is easier to learn. That being said, the Scheme implementation used for Script-Fu is far from perfect and not easy to debug, so that could be a good reason for some people to use Perl (as long as they are using Linux). -Raphaël ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] action files in GIMP?
On 19 Apr 2002, at 13:30, Raphaël Quinet wrote: On Fri, 19 Apr 2002 13:00:29 +0200, Steinar H. Gunderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 03:17:35AM +0200, Branko Collin wrote: I guess the easiest way to do that would be to store the output of your program as a script-fu script. Or Perl-Fu -- I'd guess most people are slightly more comfortable writing Perl than Scheme... Yes, but computers should be equally comfortable with either language, and: But that would only work for a minority of GIMP users. Nowadays, for better or worse, the majority of GIMP users seem to be Windows users (in contrast with the developers, who are almost exclusively Linux users or UN*X users). And getting Gimp-Perl to work under Windows is not a trivial task (this can also be a problem on several other non-Linux systems), so it is easier for most people to use Script-Fu because it works out of the box on all systems. Besides, for someone who is not a programmer and does not know anything about Perl and Scheme, I do not think that there is a big difference in the learning curve. For somebody who has never programmed in his/her life, a logical language is probably just as easy, if not easier. How many problems in life reduce easily to a shopping list? (Please reply to the OP also, who, as he mentioned, does not subscribe to this list.) -- branko collin [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
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Re: [Gimp-developer] action files in GIMP?
On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 02:18:41PM +0200, Branko Collin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For somebody who has never programmed in his/her life, a logical language is probably just as easy, if not easier. How many problems The scheme dialect used in gimp is neither a logical language, nor a real (strict) functional language, nor type-safe It does, however, run under windows, unlike gimp-perl, which should be very easy to port without Gtk. Porting Gtk should be easy too, if the destination is named cygwin. Unfortunately, the developers who do the windows port don't use the same config mechanisms as under unix/cygwin, and Gtk is proven to be hard to port to that environment. So an automatic translation to script-fu would be the most portable choice, since users don't care for the implementation. -- -==- | ==-- _ | ---==---(_)__ __ __ Marc Lehmann +-- --==---/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / [EMAIL PROTECTED] |e| -=/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ XX11-RIPE --+ The choice of a GNU generation | | ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] action files in GIMP?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( Marc) (A.) (Lehmann ) writes: Unfortunately, the developers who do the windows port don't use the same config mechanisms as under unix/cygwin, Actually, I do. (Hans doesn't.) and Gtk is proven to be hard to port to that environment. ... but I still fear that porting gimp-perl might be quite a task. --tml ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
