Re: [Gimp-developer] The Occasional Bug List

2002-11-07 Thread David Neary
David Neary wrote:
 Garry R. Osgood wrote:

snip comment

 I'd suggest adding this comment to bugzilla, and closing the bug
 as NOTGIMP or NOTGNOME, or whatever bugzilla status corresponds
 to SEP (someone else's problem).

Apologies - this comment (with lots more information) is already
attached to the bug report. I just thought of something else -
can we close this bug as a duplicate of the GTK+ bug?

Cheers,
Dave.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] The Occasional Bug List

2002-11-07 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

David Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 After several months without one, the time has come to let ye
 know about the nice bugs that are still in the GIMP, and need
 fixing. Most of these are fairly shallow bugs against 1.2, some
 are meatier ones against 1.3. In any case, since the GIMP is now
 3rd in the bugs open ranks on bugzilla.gnome.org (behind gtk+
 and galeon) and have recently passed nautilus, we have some
 bug-fixing to do.

I just found that I clicked the wrong link on bugzilla. The page I
used to look at it still shows a not-so-bad picture:

  http://bugzilla.gnome.org/weekly-bug-summary.cgi

However 280 open bugs (excluding enhancement requests) are still way
too many. If you want to spend some time on this stuff, the bugs that
have the target milestone set to 1.2.4 are especially important to
look at:

 IDSev Pri  State Summary

 84884 nor Nor  UNCO  gimp-perl man pages claims wrongs statements
 83362 blo Urg  NEW   Incompatible licenses used in the GIMP
 69085 nor Hig  NEW   gdyntext loses state when editing pre-existing text
 3340  min Nor  NEW   gDynText crops text
 10466 nor Nor  NEW   I have some pb with rotation
 21028 tri Nor  NEW   should warn user about enormous memory consumption
 26072 nor Nor  NEW   initial_sub_region:: error :: src-w * (src-bytes
 52543 nor Nor  NEW   bumpmap: bumpmapping off by 1
 57952 min Nor  NEW   no scrollable scroll bars in new picture from a sel
 71478 min Nor  NEW   Imagemap plug-in does not draw some rectangles corr
 73891 nor Nor  NEW   bugs in the script-fus from the Alpha to Logo secti
 79754 nor Nor  NEW   Text tool should use gdk_fontset_load()
 82465 min Nor  NEW   CML explorer plugin incorrect for grayscale images
 82671 nor Nor  NEW   Flattening while thresholding causes segfault
 82763 nor Nor  NEW   xbm plugin emits malformed xbms
 84145 nor Nor  NEW   Narrow straight lines are imprecise
 86637 nor Nor  NEW   Small Tiles filter: apply filter + UNDO + Repeat La
 87687 tri Nor  NEW   ImageMap should use lowercase, not uppercase tags
 89274 nor Nor  NEW   Gradient Editor crashes when shift dragging a segme
 89801 nor Nor  NEW   Gimp crashes when choosing a non-integer font size 
 92377 nor Nor  NEW   missing brush-dialog.png in help ..
 94979 min Nor  NEW   Zoom is broken for very large images
 83458 tri Low  NEW   Suggested improvement in a translated menu
 58848 nor Hig  ASSI  Font problem
 22360 nor Nor  REOP  nav panner race can leave the panner active but not
 52866 min Nor  REOP  gimp-remote is not perfect
 88278 maj Nor  REOP  Text tool fills text with strange semi-transparent 


Happy Bug-Hunting,  Sven
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Re: [Gimp-developer] The Occasional Bug List

2002-11-07 Thread pcg
On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 11:46:14AM +0100, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 However 280 open bugs (excluding enhancement requests) are still way

Could somebody with sufficient priviledges allow me to edit bug reports
again (account [EMAIL PROTECTED])? ;)

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Re: [Gimp-developer] tile cache size (was Re: The Occasional BugList)

2002-11-07 Thread Raphaël Quinet
On Wed, 6 Nov 2002 23:55:20 +0100, Guillermo S. Romero / Familia Romero 
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 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (2002-11-06 at 1430.05 -0800):
  Regardless, it should only be used to create a suggestion -- the tile
  cache size should still be determined by the user.
 
 Yes, cos it still does not cover shared machines, nor machines with
 peaks in other tasks, nor disk tweaking, nor is the current situation
 at startup the normal situtation. And then you get complains, again.

This has been discussed on this list several times in the past.  I do
not know if there was a real consensus on what the best solution is,
but here are the most important points that I have in mind:

- There is no optimal way to set the tile cache size (or the value of
  max-new-image-size, which can be different).  This depends on too
  many parameters (single or multi-user machine, background tasks,
  configuration of the swap space, etc.).  So whatever we do, it will
  never be a perfect solution.

- Although the user should be able to change the tile cache size at
  any time, the value that is suggested during the initial user
  installation should be improved.  Any guess is probably better than
  the current fixed value of 32 MB.

- Since the inital value needs to be computed only once during the
  installation, it can be guessed by any means, including running some
  helper programs.  This is very useful for the platforms on which a
  normal user does not have the privileges to get this information
  directly from the kernel (no /proc filesystem or no permission to
  access it).

- The inital guess should be tuned for a single-user machine.  The
  majority of the users are on single-user systems.  Those that are on
  multi-user systems will usually have a system administrator who can
  take care of adjusting the installation script or the global gimprc
  in such a way that the tile cache size is set to a lower value than
  what would be used for a single-user system with the same amount of
  memory.  We know that the solution will not be perfect anyway, so we
  have to take care of the most common case (single-user systems).

- We need to support many operating systems (Linux, Windows, MacOS X,
  Solaris and many others).  But if we cannot have a good way to guess
  the appropriate value of the tile cache size for all systems, then
  we should at least try to get a good guess for the systems that we
  can support.  The other systems can still use a fixed default.
  Again, this is a matter of taking care of the most common case.

- A good rule of thumb for setting the tile cache size seems to be:
  90% of the memory available when the GIMP is running for the first
  time, or total amount of memory - 64 MB, whichever is the largest.
  So the formula would be something like:
min (32 MB, max (free * 0.9, total - 64 MB))
  It should probably be rounded to the closest multiple of 10 MB or
  32 MB in order to get a nice value.  Anyway, this is only the
  initial proposed value that the user can change at any time.

Just to show that it would be impossible to guess the optimal value
for the tile cache size: at work, I have a home directory that is
NFS-mounted on many machines.  As a result, I use the same gimprc for:
- my Sparc Ultra 10 (mostly single-user) with 256 MB RAM
- several Sparc Ultra 1 to Ultra 60 that have the same amount of
  memory or more but are shared by 5 to 10 users at any time
- several i686 Linux PCs with 128 to 768 MB RAM
I do not want to maintain dozens of gimprc files for each machine, so
I just setted for a size (200 MB) that seems to work most of the time.
I adjust it sometimes when I know that I will work for some amount of
time on a machine that has more memory and is not used by anybody
else.  Otherwise, I just keep the default because that's good enough.

But despite the fact that it would be impossible to find the optimal
value for all cases, I think that it is very important to provide a
better initial value than what we currently have.

-Raphaël
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Re: [Gimp-developer] tile cache size (was Re: The Occasional BugList)

2002-11-07 Thread Yeti
On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 06:56:33PM +0100, Raphal Quinet wrote:
 
 - A good rule of thumb for setting the tile cache size seems to be:
   90% of the memory available when the GIMP is running for the first
   time, or total amount of memory - 64 MB, whichever is the largest.
   So the formula would be something like:
 min (32 MB, max (free * 0.9, total - 64 MB))

Didn't you mean something more like

   max (32 MB, free * 0.9, total - 64 MB) ?

The way you wrote it no one would get more than 32MB, which
probably wasn't the point.

Yeti

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[Gimp-developer] ANNOUNCE: GIMP 1.3.10

2002-11-07 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

if you have some spare CPU cycles and bandwidth, you probably want to
go to 

  ftp://ftp.gimp.org/pub/gimp/v1.3/v1.3.10/

and download the latest development release of The GIMP. Some of the
mirrors should already have it, so perhaps you try one next to you:

  http://www.gimp.org/download.html


Here's the obligatory list of changes since the latest release:

- Text tool can load text files now [Sven]
- Some unfinished work on the imagemap tools and related widgets [Sven]
- Undeprecated ink tool [Bolsh, Sven]
- Slightly tweaked the look and feel of the toolbox [Mitch, Sven]
- Ported module loading to GTypeModule [Mitch]
- Resurrected the water color selector [Mitch]
- Reworked module browser [Mitch]
- Moved generic datafile loading to LibGimpBase [Mitch]
- Added GimpColorScale widget [Mitch, Sven]
- Added GimpPickButton widget [Mitch]
- Added a color selector dock [Mitch]
- Added new layer modes (Softlight, Grain Extract, Grain Merge) [UnNamed]
- Included Gimp-Python with the tarball (try --enable-python)
- Lots of bug fixes

Other contributors:
  Maurits Rijk, Michael Niedermayer, Garry R. Osgood, David Necas,
  Toby Smith, Raphael Quinet, Dave Neary, Jim Meier


It's nice to note that we have an increasing number of contributors.
Please keep up the good work, we need your help!

Thanks to James Henstridge and Yosh this release includes Python
bindings for The GIMP. If you have Python 2.2 and PyGTK you might want
to pass --enable-python to configure and give it a try.


Salut, Sven
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