Re: [Gimp-developer] tiff save dialog cosmetic fix

2004-07-12 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

Dov Grobgeld [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Speaking of tiff files, is there any particular reason why the
 tiff plug-in doesn't support saving multiple layers as tiff pages,
 or is it just that noone has got around to implementing it?

Before you even think about doing any changes to the TIFF plug-in, can
we please at least consider to switch to the TIFF plug-in written by
Kai-Uwe Behrmann. We didn't do this for 2.0 because it was proposed
too late but now would be a good time for it.


Sven

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Re: Lists, Arrays and Vectors [was Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Tiny-Fu: A new plug-in for GIMP]

2004-07-12 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

Kevin Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Script-Fu scripts written for GIMP 1.2 won't work under GIMP 2.x
 without some changes due mainly to differences in the API. In what
 version of GIMP would it be possible to have the compatibility
 features of Tiny-Fu removed?

The next time we release a version that doesn't guarantee backward
compatibility. This will most probably be called GIMP 3.0 then.


Sven

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[Gimp-developer] saving multi-page TIFF files [was: tiff save dialog cosmetic fix]

2004-07-12 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

Dov Grobgeld [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Speaking of tiff files, is there any particular reason why the
 tiff plug-in doesn't support saving multiple layers as tiff pages

It may be a misunderstanding of the TIFF format but I don't think that
GIMP layers map very well to TIFF pages. If we would make the TIFF
plug-in save layers as pages, that would be rather confusing and a lot
of users will end up with multi-page TIFF files they never intended to
create. IMO multiple pages in TIFF files are a rather obscure feature
that should be left for FAX applications.


Sven

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Re: [Gimp-developer] tiff save dialog cosmetic fix

2004-07-12 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

Brion Vibber [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 While I was playing with the tiff plugin, I fixed it to disable the
 'Save color values from transparent pixels' box when saving an image
 with no alpha channel, as the png plugin does. The option has no effect
 without alpha.

Thanks. I've applied your patch to both branches. We prefer patches
to go to bugzilla though, simply because they might be forgotten
otherwise.


Sven
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Re: [Gimp-developer] New feature inquiry.

2004-07-12 Thread Øyvind Kolås
On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 13:46:09 -0400, Fredrik Alstromer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi all!

 The idea has been inspired by photoshop's effect layers, and the basic
 concept would be plugins that registers a new layer type. When sampled,
 the plugin is more or less simply executed, and the results are cached
 until any layer below the programmable layer has been modified. Layer
 modes and opacity are applied as if it was a normal layer, along with
 any layer mask.

You actually want even more,. you want to be able to group layers and
apply an effect to the group, instead of all layers below. An
extensive example with an upside down layer list (should actually be
flippable by just using a proxying GtkTreeModel), where the entire
image contents is generated using procedural plugins and effects is
at:

http://freedesktop.org/~pippin/aluminium/screenshots/bauxite/2004-06-20b.png

At the moment the application where this happens is a testbed, but it
seems like design decisions done there about how to apply GEGL to an
advanced layer stack seem sane.

In it's current incarnation that implementation is disassembling the
current layers into it's more atomic parts,. making the opacity of a
layer an effect layer in itself, creating layers consisting of
multiple atomic effects, is not a problem in this model and would
allow creating a ui that in basic usage is equvialent, (or preferabbly
more equvialent) to the current layers and channels dialog.
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Re: [Gimp-developer] color management

2004-07-12 Thread Øyvind Kolås
I haven't read the whole thread, but the last mail in the thread by
William Skaggs seems very similar to the ideas discussed at gimpcon,
what follows is my own understanding of what we discussed there:

assuming working space of gimp == sRGB

new image
  parasite_set (export_profile, sRGB)

loading of file profile==sRGB
  best scenario, just load the file
  parasite_set (export_profile,sRGB)

loading of file !profile
  no color profile associated with image
  convert from [sRGB (dropdown)]
  save as [sRGB (dropdown)]
  parasite_set (export_profile, users_choice)

loading of file profile!=sRGB
  image has a color profile attached
  convert from [YUV (dropdown)]
  save as [sRGB (dropdown)]
  parasite_set (export_profile, users_choice)

displaying the image while working on it
  this is actually the hardest thing to get right,. since it requires
user interaction
  and cooperation,. even with a correct icc profile for the display the user can
  introduce errors to the display by fiddling with the
brightness/contrast knobs.

saving when export_profile == sRGB
  attach profile if possible

saving when export_profile != sRGB
  this is of course dependent upon the file supporting the intended
format, if it does
  pixel data should be converted upon saving, and the correct profile attached.

/pippin
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[Gimp-developer] Gimp 2.0.2 and elusive detachable tear-able menus

2004-07-12 Thread Joseph Heled
Gimp 2.0.2 and elusive detachable tear able menus
Has anyone else experiences this? I can't get it to work.  Say I bring the popup 
menu from the image, Layers, and press the dotted line. The menu detaches, but 
the moment the mouse leaves it it disappears. It re-shows when I switch to 
another desktop, but disappears the moment i try to place the mouse on it.

I have no idea if this is a gtk problem, kde, or gimp??
$gimp --version
GIMP version 2.0.2
$pkg-config --modversion gtk+-2.0
2.4.0
KDE 3.0.3-8 (stock from RH 8)
$uname -a :
Linux yoda 2.4.20-30.8.legacy #1 Fri Feb 20 18:58:10 PST 2004 i686 athlon i386 
GNU/Linux

Thanks, Joseph
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Re: [Gimp-developer] color management

2004-07-12 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

Øyvind Kolås [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 new image
   parasite_set (export_profile, sRGB)
 
 loading of file profile==sRGB
   best scenario, just load the file
   parasite_set (export_profile,sRGB)
 
 loading of file !profile
   no color profile associated with image
   convert from [sRGB (dropdown)]
   save as [sRGB (dropdown)]
   parasite_set (export_profile, users_choice)

This means that we would need to open a dialog for almost every image
file the user opens. Is that a good idea? Shouldn't we just assume
sRGB in that case?


Sven
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Re: [Gimp-developer] color management

2004-07-12 Thread Øyvind Kolås
On 12 Jul 2004 21:47:21 +0200, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  loading of file !profile
no color profile associated with image
convert from [sRGB (dropdown)]
save as [sRGB (dropdown)]
parasite_set (export_profile, users_choice)
 
 This means that we would need to open a dialog for almost every image
 file the user opens. Is that a good idea? Shouldn't we just assume
 sRGB in that case?

We should provide a checkbox in the dialog, asking that the dialog
newer be shown again, (it whould hide that part of the dialog, and a
preference would be used to toggle it back on).

/pippin
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Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp 2.0.2 and elusive detachable tear-ablemenus

2004-07-12 Thread Joseph Heled
Please, by all means, update GTK+. Lots of bugs have been fixed in the
2.4 series and still using 2.4.0 is sortof lightheaded.
Life is sort of slow with a 56K modem.
Updated gtk+, glib and atk. The problem remains
$pkg-config --modversion gtk+-2.0
2.4.4
$pkg-config --modversion glib-2.0
2.4.4
I guess that if no one else has this problem, it is a kde problem.
I know there is a kde-3.0.5 available for RH 8.0, but I doubt something as 
obscure has been fixed in such a small upgrade.

-Joseph
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Re: [Gimp-developer] Gimp 2.0.2 and elusive detachable tear-ablemenus

2004-07-12 Thread Markus Triska

 I guess that if no one else has this problem, it is a kde problem.

That would also be my guess. I've been using Gimp with KDE 3.[012] for some 
time, and although I (contrary to you) never ran into anything that I knew 
should work but didn't, there surely were moments that made me doubt the 
cleverness of its focus policy. Gnome 2.6.(2, currently) works better for me 
with regards to that, so I recommend that you give it a shot (if possible) 
and see if the problem remains, to narrow down the range of imagined 
possibilities.

Markus.
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