Re: [Gimp-developer] no-image-open redux

2008-03-10 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 4:14 PM, Sven Neumann wrote:

  Starting GIMP takes about three to five seconds.

It takes ~7 sec on my 4 years old laptop (running Linux, a top model
at the time of buying) and ~20 (or more) second on my old workstation
(Windows) at work. While I agree with you on the tips thing, I think
it's worth reminding that not everyone has a modern computer or uses
Linux.

Alexandre
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Re: [Gimp-developer] no-image-open redux

2008-03-10 Thread peter sikking
sending this again:

Sven wrote:

 Anyway, this is something that the UI team should specify. I hope that
 we will get some more input from Peter on this soon.

after being drowned in work, I have time in the next days to
wrap up this spec.

writing a GIMP blog entry right now

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 man + machine interface works

 http://mmiworks.net/blog : on interaction architecture



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Re: [Gimp-developer] no-image-open redux

2008-03-10 Thread peter sikking
Sven wrote:

 Anyway, this is something that the UI team should specify. I hope that
 we will get some more input from Peter on this soon.

after being drowned in work, I have time in the next days to
wrap up this spec.

writing a GIMP blog entry right now

 --ps

 founder + principal interaction architect
 man + machine interface works

 http://mmiworks.net/blog : on interaction architecture



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Re: [Gimp-developer] no-image-open redux

2008-03-10 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

On Sat, 2008-03-08 at 18:21 -0200, Guillermo Espertino wrote:
 I'm afraid that this no image window sounds more and more like the 
 photoshop-esque gray background window that everybody have been asking 
 for all these years.

We aren't talking about an extra window here. Please don't call it an
no image window. It's the image window, just in a special state where
it doesn't show an image because no image is currently opened. At least
that's how I understand the idea...


Sven


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Re: [Gimp-developer] GSOC 2008 ideas

2008-03-10 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

On Fri, 2008-03-07 at 22:39 -0300, Joao S. O. Bueno wrote:

 == Tagging of GIMP resources ==
 The tasks in this project include:
 
  * adding a way for gimp resources to be tagged

This actually already exists in trunk with the GimpTagged interface. But
it's probably OK to keep it here as a task.

I would be willing to mentor this project.

 == On-canvas text editing ==

I would also mentor this one, but I can definitely not mentor two
projects.

  Properly map Gimp Widgets and objects to Python 

Instead of mapping GIMP widgets to Python directly, it would probably
make more sense to make sure that GIMP widgets are GtkBuildable. The
GtkBuildableIface interface contains method that are necessary to allow
GtkBuilder to construct an object from a GtkBuilder UI definition. This
would make it a lot easier to write GIMP plug-ins as developers would
have less hassle with UI code.

 == SVG brushes ==
 
  VBR brushes in GIMP - basic shapes like ellipses, rectangles and 
 rhombuses; with additional spikes - are scalable. In SVN trunk, all 
 brushes including the pixmap-based ones can at least be scaled down. 
 We do not yet have means for more advanced brushes (think about a 
 brush consisting of two disjoint circles) that can be scaled up in a 
 lossless way.
 
  Using SVG files as brushes could help to solve this.

I don't think that SVG brushes is enough for a GSoC project. Adding a
loader for SVG brushes can easily be done over a weeekend. What would
make this a lot more interesting is to add the infrastructure in the
paint core to actually make use of transformable brushes.


Sven


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Re: [Gimp-developer] script-fu menu

2008-03-10 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

On Sat, 2008-03-08 at 14:29 -0500, Kevin Cozens wrote:

 I don't know if you would consider a library as being part of the GIMP core. 
 This feature could be implemented in a new GIMP library or as part of 
 libgimpui.

How so? This is really something that can be implemented in about ten
lines of code. Most of this code will be Script-Fu specific. So I don't
see how this could be part of any GIMP library.

 The one question I forgot to ask is how would a person get to see these 
 preview images? Using an image preview browser? A show preview button (or 
 menu item) in the scripts UI window? Some other mechanism (yet to be decided)?

That is indeed the more difficult question here. Besides the question
whether such static example images would be useful at all. The easiest
solution is probably to put it inside the scripts UI window similar to
how plug-ins place their previews.


Sven


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Re: [Gimp-developer] no-image-open redux

2008-03-10 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

On Mon, 2008-03-10 at 18:43 +0300, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

 It takes ~7 sec on my 4 years old laptop (running Linux, a top model
 at the time of buying) and ~20 (or more) second on my old workstation
 (Windows) at work. While I agree with you on the tips thing, I think
 it's worth reminding that not everyone has a modern computer or uses
 Linux.

If it is so much slower on Windows, why hasn't anyone profiled the
startup phase on Windows and pointed out where this time is spent?


Sven


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[Gimp-developer] Splash Screens GIMP 2.6 from Dutch GIMPers

2008-03-10 Thread Leendert Visser
Hi everyone,

The members of our Dutch GIMPclub (http://www.dutchgimpers.nl/) have made
splashscreens for GIMP 2.6 in a battle.

You can find the winners here:
 http://dutchgimpers.nl/viewpage.php?page_id=3D11

You can freely use this Splash Screens.

Regards,
Leendert
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Re: [Gimp-developer] no-image-open redux

2008-03-10 Thread jernej
On Monday, March 10, 2008, 20:18:30, Sven Neumann wrote:

 If it is so much slower on Windows, why hasn't anyone profiled the
 startup phase on Windows and pointed out where this time is spent?

It takes about 10 seconds to start it for the first time on my
machine, later it's up in about 4 seconds. About a quarter of this
time is spent starting script-fu.

-- 
 Jernej Simončič  http://eternallybored.org/ 

When you arrive at your chosen campsite, it is full.
   -- Barber's Ninth Law of Backpacking

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Re: [Gimp-developer] no-image-open redux

2008-03-10 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Sven Neumann wrote:

  If it is so much slower on Windows, why hasn't anyone profiled the
  startup phase on Windows and pointed out where this time is spent?

If I'm pointed to a profiling tool for Win and docs, I could try to do it ;-)

(Considering this initial step is a non-programmer's task)

Alexandre
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Re: [Gimp-developer] Splash Screens GIMP 2.6 from Dutch GIMPers

2008-03-10 Thread Bill Skaggs
Leendert Visser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The members of our Dutch GIMPclub (http://www.dutchgimpers.nl/) have made
 splashscreens for GIMP 2.6 in a battle.

It's great to see all this talent and enthusiasm going into creating
Gimp stuff.  The Gimp web page doesn't really have a place to put
these, but I think it would be very nice if you made the best ones
easily available to your users on your web page.  (My favorite is
#17, except for the word professional.)

  -- Bill
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[Gimp-developer] gimp_patterns_get_list

2008-03-10 Thread Andrei Simion
Hi,

I have the following problem: when calling gimp_patterns_get_list on the 
Gimp server, version 2.2 I got an error:

not enough arguments for function 'gimp_patterns_get_list'

The function works on the Gimp server, version 1.2.

I checked here: http://hans.breuer.org/gimp/pdb/alphabetic.html and it 
appears I can call it with no parameters.

Can somebody point to the list of functions that can be used on Gimp 2.2?

Thanks,
Andrei
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