Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Film Gimp and GIMP
Hi, Joshua D Boyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, this is interesting. I hope that we can cooperate on that and share some code instead of implementing the same feature twice in slightly different ways. I have just posted some comments about that in bug #7379. Feel free to add your own comments there or to discuss it on one of these lists if you think that we can do some things together. I'm sorry, I must have missed it. Was the plan to have MDI as an option, or to make everything MDI only? there is no such plan. Raphael is only discussing some ideas he has. We might add an option to have a menu-bar per display but Raphael will have a hard time to convince Mitch and me to add any kind of MDI interface with windows in windows, not even optional. Salut, Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Film Gimp and GIMP
On 7 Dec 2002, at 18:19, Robin Rowe wrote: Raphaël, For an up-to-date GIMP contributor list see the bottom of http://filmgimp.sourceforge.net/people/index.html . As you have probably seen in the recent discussions on the gimp-developer mailing list, it is not easy to get a correct list of As you have probably seen in the recent discussions on the gimp-developer mailing list, it is not easy to get a correct list of contributors. ;-) Hi Robin, Seeing how you got everything the past few days, from light rebukes that you don't want to live with your parents anymore (but it'll be so much cheaper if we can do the laundry together!) to outright abuse (Windows user! -- and the little troll meant it, too), I would like to compliment you and your team on following The Right Way. You felt an itch, nobody was going to scratch it for you (despite numerous requests -- no, no, first we do the laundry, then we implement 16bpp/fp)), so you scratched it yourself. In the free software world, that _is_ the right thing to do. However, one small negative criticism: that photo on http://filmgimp.sourceforge.net/people/index.html ... Do you know that there is a free photo editing tool called the GIMP that can fix it? You should try it someday. ;-) Simple way to fix red eye: select the eye, select only the red channel, desaturate. Repeat for other eye. Try other channels for Bowie effect. -- branko collin [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Film Gimp and GIMP
On 02 Dec 2002 19:37:00 +0100, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robin Rowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Your GIMP team list at http://www.gimp.org/the_gimp_org_about.html includes Mattis and Kimball. Have they done anything with GIMP since 1997? no, they haven't but of course they are still in the list of developers. The list on the web is not uptodate however. From the list on www.gimp.org, the only developers who are still active are Sven Neumann (neo in CVS logs), Michael Natterer (mitch) and Manish Singh (yosh). The other people listed there haven't contributed much in the last months. I don't know if this list should be updated or not. Maybe when the new site design is ready? I don't think that we should remove the past contributors anyway. Maybe the list should include the new contributors and maybe it should be sorted in a different order (importance of latest contributions? but who would estimate that?). Who is actively working on GIMP? http://cvs.gnome.org/lxr/source/gimp/ChangeLog Another way to see this is to have a look at the CVS checkins in the last week (about 168 hours). This link will give you the full list including the number of lines of code added or changed by each contributor. But do not call this too frequently, because this query puts some strain on the server: http://cvs.gnome.org/bonsai/cvsquery.cgi?dir=gimpdate=hourshours=168 In summary, the most active developers are Mitch and Sven who get the lion's share, followed by Yosh, Maurits Rijk, Dave Neary and some others who contribute from a few dozens to a few hunded lines of code or documentation per week. There are also some contributions through Bugzilla, but this is harder to evaluate. -Raphaël ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Film Gimp and GIMP
Hi, Robin Rowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Who is working on GEGL and how active is that? http://cvs.gnome.org/lxr/source/gegl/ChangeLog Your GIMP team list at http://www.gimp.org/the_gimp_org_about.html includes Mattis and Kimball. Have they done anything with GIMP since 1997? no, they haven't but of course they are still in the list of developers. The list on the web is not uptodate however. What are Mattis and Kimball doing now? who knows? Why are you asking? Who is actively working on GIMP? http://cvs.gnome.org/lxr/source/gimp/ChangeLog Salut, Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Film Gimp and GIMP
On 2 Dec 2002, at 10:23, Robin Rowe wrote: Your GIMP team list at http://www.gimp.org/the_gimp_org_about.html includes Mattis and Kimball. Have they done anything with GIMP since 1997? What are Mattis and Kimball doing now? See http://www.linuxworld.com/linuxworld/lw-1999-01/lw-01- gimp.html. -- branko collin [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Film Gimp and GIMP
Thus spoke Carol Spears On 2002-11-28 at 1259.18 -0500, Patrick McFarland typed this: Hrm. Side note, They got $1k from Linuxfund to further their project... hrm... $1k would not be enough to by the beer for the people who develop The GIMP (if i can at least add correctly). But it might be enough for an outside contractor to produce a specific feature (probagbly not 16 bit support, but perhaps something else) and release it back to the community. This might be enough to keep the project moving in a direction acceptable to everyone. Since dividing money up between all the current developers is extremely difficult, funding should be considered as a way to move the project forward in very specific ways, using external resources. For some open source projects that often means acquiring specific hardware. For GIMP, it could mean outsourcing feature and bug fix requests. Of course, it would also mean having to establish a non-profit in order to accept the funding and use it to pay for the work. That would definitely move GIMP into a new area, one the developers might not want to deal with right now. -- Michael J. Hammel | The Graphics Muse | Assassins do it from behind. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.graphics-muse.com ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Film Gimp and GIMP
Thus spoke Robin Rowe It is worth noting that the target audience of Film Gimp is motion picture studios. It makes sense for Film Gimp to have goals distinct from Gimp. GEGL is a different codebase from Gimp or Film Gimp. All three are run as independent projects with different management styles and different goals. It is reflection of the diversity and depth of the development and user communities that three projects seem justified. Four, if we also count ImageMagick. Also worth noting is that GIMP has already spawned a major player in the open source world - the GTK+ toolkit. It would not be unexpected - nor necessarily unwanted - if it were to spawn another major project. The fact that Film GIMP is another editing tool should not be the only reason to merge the two. If the target audiences and needs are distinct enough, then separate development paths may be warranted. What should not be lost, however, is an open communications path between the projects. Please note that I work on Film Gimp because I enjoy it. What some imagine would be mindless duplication of effort between similar projects I see as an exciting opportunity to create alternative designs to delight users in new ways. Many project leaders seem to feel the same way. We have Linux and BSD, KDE and Gnome, and so forth. Being independent has some advantages. Film Gimp has achieved tremendous progress since July. In addition to that satisfaction, I have the pleasure of working with a team that I enjoy and that say they appreciate me. Robin had an itch and he scratched it - it's the open source way. I hope no one chastises him for that. I, for one, encourage him and wish he and his team much success. -- Michael J. Hammel The Graphics Muse [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.graphics-muse.com -- You're life can be a wonderous journey, if you don't spend all your time trying to drag someone else through it with you. - Michael J. Hammel ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Film Gimp and GIMP
On 30-Nov-2002, Robin Rowe wrote: A lot of text about how film gimp is trying to be its own thing. Well, first I would like to say film gimp should be moving to a GEGL target. Not because film gimp is gegl, but because gegl is so damn useful. (Well, will be useful if/when it gets done.) And gegl would be the perfect place for film gimp and gimp to share all the difficult base code (like, dare I say it, single precision fp layer rendering code.) Speaking of that, has anyone seen fg's xcf loader plugin? I heard he was sick... Maybe someone should send him some chicken soup? -- Patrick Diablo-D3 McFarland || [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music. --Kristian Wilson, Nintendo, Inc, 1989 msg03154/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Film Gimp and GIMP
On 29-Nov-2002, Raphaël Quinet wrote: On Thu, 28 Nov 2002 14:55:06 -0500, Carol Spears [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2002-11-28 at 1259.18 -0500, Patrick McFarland typed this: Hrm. Side note, They got $1k from Linuxfund to further their project... hrm... $1k would not be enough to by the beer for the people who develop The GIMP (if i can at least add correctly). That depends... If you consider those who write GIMP code on a daily or weekly basis to be the real developers and if you consider those (like me) who submit patches from time to time as contributors, then I think that $1K would be more than enough to buy beer for all developers, unfortunately. I wish there were more developers... On the other hand, if you divide $1K among all contributors, then we would all be very thirsty. ;-) Yeah, but how many _film gimp_ developers are there? Less than a handful? -- Patrick Diablo-D3 McFarland || [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music. --Kristian Wilson, Nintendo, Inc, 1989 msg03132/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Film Gimp and GIMP
On Nov 28 Carol Spears ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: $1k would not be enough to by the beer for the people who develop The GIMP (if i can at least add correctly). If any GIMP developers come to visit Research Triangle Park (Central North Carolina, USA) please drop me an email. I'd be happy to buy you a beer. Steve -- Steve Lipa [EMAIL PROTECTED] gpg fingerprint = 8B68 77D7 9E09 9991 C97E 25FF 6A12 D2B9 EC7D 66C1 ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
