Re: [Gimp-developer] HELP

[Liam R E Quin]

On Thu, 2019-10-10 at 14:40 -0500, Lavon Young via gimp-developer-list
wrote:
> I downloaded GIMP and it has taken over all my  pictures, images,
> PDFs, etc
> with the GIMP image.  How do I remove the GIMP thumbnail image?

This depends on which operating systemyou are using.

Search the Web for file associations in your environment - for example,
OS X version, or GNOME 3, or KDE/plasma 5, or even Microsoft Windows.

Possibly we should make an FAQ about this. it happens not only witth
GIMP but with any program that handles a lot of common image file
formats.

ankh

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[Gimp-developer] HELP

[Lavon Young via gimp-developer-list]

I downloaded GIMP and it has taken over all my  pictures, images, PDFs, etc
with the GIMP image.  How do I remove the GIMP thumbnail image?

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Re: [Gimp-developer] help compiling babl

[Marco Ciampa via gimp-developer-list]

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 03:43:25PM -0600, Akkana Peck wrote:
> Marco Ciampa via gimp-developer-list writes:
> > On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 02:26:50AM +0200, Marco Ciampa via 
> > gimp-developer-list wrote:
> > > On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 08:38:45PM +0300, Alexandre Prokoudine via 
> > > gimp-developer-list wrote:
> > > > Hello,
> > > > 
> > > > You should be using the Meson build system now.
> > > 
> > > Doh, I missed that!
> > > It works now, thank you!
> > 
> > I talked too quickly... now it is GIMP that does not compile (due to 
> > babl...):
> 
> I had a lot of trouble adjusting my build scripts for babl's meson
> build. So once I got it working, I ended up rewriting the GIMP wiki
> build instructions to reflect what worked for me.
> 
> https://wiki.gimp.org/wiki/Hacking:Building
> 
> There are also some additions in the Hacking:Building/Linux page
> (linked at the bottom) but it's mostly a discussion of why PREFIX
> is important (I didn't write it, someone else did, but it seemed
> worth keeping) and a discussion of how to run the GIMP you just built.
> 
> Try it out -- and if it turns out that it's still incomplete, let
> me know what needs to be changed (or update it yourself, if you
> prefer).
> 
> I know nothing of the Windows and Mac building pages: I don't
> build on those platforms, but it would be great if someone who
> does could keep them up to date.
> 
> I should mention that my build page rewrites are from shortly after
> babl switched to meson, but don't reflect any meson instructions for
> gegl or gimp, so eventually Hacking:Building will need to be updated again.
> 
> ...Akkana

I re-read the wiki and found it very informative THANKS.

I managed to get GIMP compiled and working in /usr/local but I'll
definitely want to follow the wiki advices and have it compiled locally 
in my home. Now that it works I can do some experiments.

Thanks again for your patience...

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Re: [Gimp-developer] help compiling babl

[Marco Ciampa via gimp-developer-list]

On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 01:17:33PM +0200, Michael Schumacher wrote:
> Am 28.08.19 um 13:09 schrieb Marco Ciampa via gimp-developer-list:
> 
> >> Retry: now (that apparently devs switched to meson also in GEGL, now it 
> >> does not compile
> 
> > Found! Apparetly it was missing a package, whose lack, meson was not able
> > to detect ... resolved with:
> >
> > sudo apt install libgirepository1.0-dev
> 
> You could make it a habit to be on the #gimp IRC channel - we've gone
> through this some weeks ago, and you'd likely have had someone suggest
> it the moment you asked about it :)

Yes, you are right, of course, sometimes I just do not do what I know I
should do (for various reasons).

> > perhaps gegl devs should add a test or something?
> >
> > Anyway now I have a problem with the GIMP compilation...
> >
> >   CCLD script-fu
> > //usr/local/lib/libgegl-0.4.so.0: undefined reference to 
> > `babl_format_get_n_components@V0_1_0'
> > //usr/local/lib/libgegl-0.4.so.0: undefined reference to 
> > `babl_model_with_space@V0_1_0'
> 
> Are you sure the correct babl is picked up?

Threre where some old versions that were picked up before the newer ones... 
again you were right!

> Figuring this out would also be something more easily done in a more
> interactive medium.

Yes (again) of course,
sorry and thanks for the patience...

PS: I finally got GIMP compiled, thanks to you all...

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Re: [Gimp-developer] help compiling babl

[Michael Schumacher]

Am 28.08.19 um 13:09 schrieb Marco Ciampa via gimp-developer-list:

>> Retry: now (that apparently devs switched to meson also in GEGL, now it does 
>> not compile

> Found! Apparetly it was missing a package, whose lack, meson was not able
> to detect ... resolved with:
>
> sudo apt install libgirepository1.0-dev

You could make it a habit to be on the #gimp IRC channel - we've gone
through this some weeks ago, and you'd likely have had someone suggest
it the moment you asked about it :)

> perhaps gegl devs should add a test or something?
>
> Anyway now I have a problem with the GIMP compilation...
>
>   CCLD script-fu
> //usr/local/lib/libgegl-0.4.so.0: undefined reference to 
> `babl_format_get_n_components@V0_1_0'
> //usr/local/lib/libgegl-0.4.so.0: undefined reference to 
> `babl_model_with_space@V0_1_0'

Are you sure the correct babl is picked up?

Figuring this out would also be something more easily done in a more
interactive medium.


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Re: [Gimp-developer] help compiling babl

[Marco Ciampa via gimp-developer-list]

On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 02:17:10AM +0200, Marco Ciampa via gimp-developer-list 
wrote:
> Retry: now (that apparently devs switched to meson also in GEGL, now it does 
> not compile
> also gegl grrr)
> 
> ninja 
> [9/529] Generating Gegl-0.4.gir with a custom command.
> FAILED: gegl/Gegl-0.4.gir 
> /usr/bin/g-ir-scanner --no-libtool --namespace=Gegl --nsversion=0.4 
> --warn-all --output gegl/Gegl-0.4.gir --c-include=gegl.h 
> -I/home/marco/git/gitlab/gnome/gegl/gegl 
> -I/home/marco/git/gitlab/gnome/gegl/build/gegl -I./. -I../. -I./gegl/. 
> -I../gegl/. -I./gegl/buffer -I../gegl/buffer -I./gegl/graph -I../gegl/graph 
> -I./gegl/module -I../gegl/module -I./gegl/opencl -I../gegl/opencl 
> -I./gegl/operation -I../gegl/operation -I./gegl/process -I../gegl/process 
> -I./gegl/property-types -I../gegl/property-types 
> --filelist=/home/marco/git/gitlab/gnome/gegl/build/gegl/2cd4258@@gegl-0.4@sha/Gegl_0.4_gir_filelist
>  --include=GLib-2.0 --include=GObject-2.0 --include=Babl-0.1 
> --symbol-prefix=gegl --identifier-prefix=Gegl --cflags-begin -DHAVE_CONFIG_H 
> -Winit-self -Wmissing-declarations -Wmissing-prototypes 
> -Wold-style-definition -Wpointer-arith -Wno-deprecated-declarations 
> -mfpmath=sse -mmmx -msse -msse2 -msse4.1 -I./. -I../. -I./gegl/. -I../gegl/. 
> -I./gegl/buffer -I../gegl/buffer -I./gegl/graph 
 -I
>  ../gegl/graph -I./gegl/module -I../gegl/module -I./gegl/opencl 
> -I../gegl/opencl -I./gegl/operation -I../gegl/operation -I./gegl/process 
> -I../gegl/process -I./gegl/property-types -I../gegl/property-types 
> -I/usr/local/include/babl-0.1 -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 
> -I/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/gio-unix-2.0/ 
> --cflags-end --library gegl-0.4 
> -L/home/marco/git/gitlab/gnome/gegl/build/gegl 
> -L/usr/local/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu -L/usr/local/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu 
> --extra-library=babl-0.1 --extra-library=glib-2.0 --extra-library=gio-2.0 
> --extra-library=gobject-2.0 --extra-library=m --extra-library=gmodule-2.0
> Couldn't find include 'GLib-2.0.gir' (search path: 
> '['/home/marco/.local/share/flatpak/exports/share/gir-1.0', 
> '/var/lib/flatpak/exports/share/gir-1.0', 
> '/usr/share/gnome-flashback-metacity/gir-1.0', 
> '/home/marco/.local/share/flatpak/exports/share/gir-1.0', 
> '/var/lib/flatpak/exports/share/gir-1.0', '/usr/local/share/gir-1.0', 
> '/usr/share/gir-1.0', '/var/lib/snapd/desktop/gir-1.0', '/usr/share/gir-1.0', 
> '/usr/share/gir-1.0', '/usr/share/gir-1.0']')
> [14/529] Generating module_common_gpl3.c with a meson_exe.py custom command.
> ninja: build stopped: subcommand failed.

Found! Apparetly it was missing a package, whose lack, meson was not able
to detect ... resolved with:

sudo apt install libgirepository1.0-dev

perhaps gegl devs should add a test or something?

Anyway now I have a problem with the GIMP compilation...

  CCLD script-fu
//usr/local/lib/libgegl-0.4.so.0: undefined reference to 
`babl_format_get_n_components@V0_1_0'
//usr/local/lib/libgegl-0.4.so.0: undefined reference to 
`babl_model_with_space@V0_1_0'
../../libgimpwidgets/.libs/libgimpwidgets-2.0.so: undefined reference to 
`babl_fish@V0_1_0'
../../libgimpcolor/.libs/libgimpcolor-2.0.so: undefined reference to 
`babl_icc_make_space@V0_1_0'
../../libgimp/.libs/libgimp-2.0.so: undefined reference to 
`babl_palette_set_palette@V0_1_0'
../../libgimpwidgets/.libs/libgimpwidgets-2.0.so: undefined reference to 
`babl_process@V0_1_0'
//usr/local/lib/libgegl-0.4.so.0: undefined reference to 
`babl_get_model_flags@V0_1_0'
../../libgimpcolor/.libs/libgimpcolor-2.0.so: undefined reference to 
`babl_format_get_type@V0_1_0'
../../libgimpcolor/.libs/libgimpcolor-2.0.so: undefined reference to 
`babl_format_has_alpha@V0_1_0'
../../libgimp/.libs/libgimp-2.0.so: undefined reference to 
`babl_new_palette@V0_1_0'
../../libgimpcolor/.libs/libgimpcolor-2.0.so: undefined reference to 
`babl_format_with_space@V0_1_0'
../../libgimpwidgets/.libs/libgimpwidgets-2.0.so: undefined reference to 
`babl_exit@V0_1_0'
../../libgimpwidgets/.libs/libgimpwidgets-2.0.so: undefined reference to 
`babl_init@V0_1_0'
../../libgimpcolor/.libs/libgimpcolor-2.0.so: undefined reference to 
`babl_format_is_palette@V0_1_0'
//usr/local/lib/libgegl-0.4.so.0: undefined reference to 
`babl_format_exists@V0_1_0'
../../libgimpcolor/.libs/libgimpcolor-2.0.so: undefined reference to 
`babl_format_get_bytes_per_pixel@V0_1_0'
../../libgimp/.libs/libgimp-2.0.so: undefined reference to 
`babl_get_name@V0_1_0'
//usr/local/lib/libgegl-0.4.so.0: undefined reference to 
`babl_format_get_encoding@V0_1_0'
//usr/local/lib/libgegl-0.4.so.0: undefined reference to 
`babl_format_get_space@V0_1_0'
../../libgimpcolor/.libs/libgimpcolor-2.0.so: undefined reference to 
`babl_format_get_model@V0_1_0'
//usr/local/lib/libgegl-0.4.so.0: undefined reference to `babl_ticks@V0_1_0'
../../libgimpcolor/.libs/libgimpcolor-2.0.so: undefined reference to 
`babl_model@V0_1_0'
../../libgimpcolor/.libs/libgimpcolor-2.0.so: undefined reference to 
`

Re: [Gimp-developer] help compiling babl

[Owen]

>
> Elle Stone writes:
> > Thanks! for updating the wiki. In case it helps, the paths for setting up
> > the prefix vary from one distribution to the next, for example are very
> > different for Debian Sid compared to Gentoo.
>
> Thanks, Elle, If the paths are distro-dependent, they're almost
> certainly wrong for Win and Mac too, so I'll add a note that the paths
> are just examples and need to be adjusted for each system.




Thanks to you both for that, I was surprised that it needed the 
$PREFIX/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu paths.

This was on a LM-19.2 and I followed the Wiki which had Elle's suggestions.


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Re: [Gimp-developer] help compiling babl

[Akkana Peck]

Elle Stone writes:
> Thanks! for updating the wiki. In case it helps, the paths for setting up
> the prefix vary from one distribution to the next, for example are very
> different for Debian Sid compared to Gentoo.

Thanks, Elle, If the paths are distro-dependent, they're almost
certainly wrong for Win and Mac too, so I'll add a note that the paths
are just examples and need to be adjusted for each system.

On my Debian system (Testing), I didn't need the to add the
$PREFIX/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu library directories; everything was
installed in $GIMP_PREFIX/lib. But if you needed them, I'm sure 
other people will as well. I think what I'll do is change the main
build page to say the variables there are just an example, then add
a section to the Linux build page with the two variable lists you
gave for Sid and Gentoo as well as my Testing list. It's a bummer
that these vary so much and there's no easy way to predict them.

Also, I found that gegl's new meson build doesn't source the
$PREFIX/share/config.site automatically the way the old build did:
gegl complained about not being able to find babl until I sourced
$PREFIX/share/config.site in the shell before running the meson
build. So I should probably just remove the suggestion of using
config.site entirely, and tell people to export the variables in
the shell before starting the build.

...Akkana
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Re: [Gimp-developer] help compiling babl

[Elle Stone]

On 8/22/19 5:43 PM, Akkana Peck wrote:

I had a lot of trouble adjusting my build scripts for babl's meson
build. So once I got it working, I ended up rewriting the GIMP wiki
build instructions to reflect what worked for me.

https://wiki.gimp.org/wiki/Hacking:Building


Hi Akkana,

Thanks! for updating the wiki. In case it helps, the paths for setting 
up the prefix vary from one distribution to the next, for example are 
very different for Debian Sid compared to Gentoo.


In a fresh install of Debian Sid, after a lot of trial and error I 
finally managed to build babl (meson)/GEGL (meson)/GIMP-2.10 using these 
lines to set up the prefix:


PREFIX=$HOME/code-install/gimp210/install
export SRC_DIR=/home/elle/code-build/gimp210/build
export PATH=$PREFIX/bin:$PATH
export ACLOCAL_FLAGS="-I $PREFIX/share/aclocal"
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$PREFIX/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$PREFIX/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH
export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=$PREFIX/lib/pkgconfig:$PKG_CONFIG_PATH
export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=$PREFIX/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu:$PKG_CONFIG_PATH
export 
PKG_CONFIG_PATH=$PREFIX/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/pkgconfig:$PKG_CONFIG_PATH

export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=$PREFIX/share/pkgconfig:$PKG_CONFIG_PATH
export 
XDG_DATA_DIRS="$XDG_DATA_DIRS:$PREFIX/share:/usr/local/share/:/usr/share/"


Notice on Debian Sid the "64-bit" folder where GEGL puts its ".so" files 
is "$PREFIX/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu". On Gentoo, the equivalent folder is 
"$PREFIX/lib64". These lines worked for setting up the prefix in Gentoo:


PREFIX=$HOME/code-install/gimp210/install
export SRC_DIR=/hdd/data1/code-build/gimp210/build
export PATH=$PREFIX/bin:$PATH
export ACLOCAL_FLAGS="-I $PREFIX/share/aclocal"
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$PREFIX/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$PREFIX/lib64:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH
export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=$PREFIX/lib/pkgconfig:$PKG_CONFIG_PATH
export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=$PREFIX/lib64/pkgconfig:$PKG_CONFIG_PATH
export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=$PREFIX/install/share/pkgconfig:$PKG_CONFIG_PATH
export GIO_EXTRA_MODULES=/usr/lib/gio/modules
#above line probably isn't needed as I'm no longer build glib in the prefix
export XDG_DATA_DIRS="$XDG_DATA_DIRS:$PREFIX/share"

Best,
Elle

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Re: [Gimp-developer] help compiling babl

[Marco Ciampa via gimp-developer-list]

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 03:43:25PM -0600, Akkana Peck wrote:
> Marco Ciampa via gimp-developer-list writes:
> > On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 02:26:50AM +0200, Marco Ciampa via 
> > gimp-developer-list wrote:
> > > On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 08:38:45PM +0300, Alexandre Prokoudine via 
> > > gimp-developer-list wrote:
> > > > Hello,
> > > > 
> > > > You should be using the Meson build system now.
> > > 
> > > Doh, I missed that!
> > > It works now, thank you!
> > 
> > I talked too quickly... now it is GIMP that does not compile (due to 
> > babl...):
> 
> I had a lot of trouble adjusting my build scripts for babl's meson
> build. So once I got it working, I ended up rewriting the GIMP wiki
> build instructions to reflect what worked for me.
> 
> https://wiki.gimp.org/wiki/Hacking:Building
> 
> There are also some additions in the Hacking:Building/Linux page
> (linked at the bottom) but it's mostly a discussion of why PREFIX
> is important (I didn't write it, someone else did, but it seemed
> worth keeping) and a discussion of how to run the GIMP you just built.
> 
> Try it out -- and if it turns out that it's still incomplete, let
> me know what needs to be changed (or update it yourself, if you
> prefer).
> 
> I know nothing of the Windows and Mac building pages: I don't
> build on those platforms, but it would be great if someone who
> does could keep them up to date.
> 
> I should mention that my build page rewrites are from shortly after
> babl switched to meson, but don't reflect any meson instructions for
> gegl or gimp, so eventually Hacking:Building will need to be updated again.
> 
> ...Akkana

Retry: now (that apparently devs switched to meson also in GEGL, now it does 
not compile
also gegl grrr)

ninja 
[9/529] Generating Gegl-0.4.gir with a custom command.
FAILED: gegl/Gegl-0.4.gir 
/usr/bin/g-ir-scanner --no-libtool --namespace=Gegl --nsversion=0.4 --warn-all 
--output gegl/Gegl-0.4.gir --c-include=gegl.h 
-I/home/marco/git/gitlab/gnome/gegl/gegl 
-I/home/marco/git/gitlab/gnome/gegl/build/gegl -I./. -I../. -I./gegl/. 
-I../gegl/. -I./gegl/buffer -I../gegl/buffer -I./gegl/graph -I../gegl/graph 
-I./gegl/module -I../gegl/module -I./gegl/opencl -I../gegl/opencl 
-I./gegl/operation -I../gegl/operation -I./gegl/process -I../gegl/process 
-I./gegl/property-types -I../gegl/property-types 
--filelist=/home/marco/git/gitlab/gnome/gegl/build/gegl/2cd4258@@gegl-0.4@sha/Gegl_0.4_gir_filelist
 --include=GLib-2.0 --include=GObject-2.0 --include=Babl-0.1 
--symbol-prefix=gegl --identifier-prefix=Gegl --cflags-begin -DHAVE_CONFIG_H 
-Winit-self -Wmissing-declarations -Wmissing-prototypes -Wold-style-definition 
-Wpointer-arith -Wno-deprecated-declarations -mfpmath=sse -mmmx -msse -msse2 
-msse4.1 -I./. -I../. -I./gegl/. -I../gegl/. -I./gegl/buffer -I../gegl/buffer 
-I./gegl/graph -I
 ../gegl/graph -I./gegl/module -I../gegl/module -I./gegl/opencl 
-I../gegl/opencl -I./gegl/operation -I../gegl/operation -I./gegl/process 
-I../gegl/process -I./gegl/property-types -I../gegl/property-types 
-I/usr/local/include/babl-0.1 -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 
-I/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/gio-unix-2.0/ 
--cflags-end --library gegl-0.4 -L/home/marco/git/gitlab/gnome/gegl/build/gegl 
-L/usr/local/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu -L/usr/local/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu 
--extra-library=babl-0.1 --extra-library=glib-2.0 --extra-library=gio-2.0 
--extra-library=gobject-2.0 --extra-library=m --extra-library=gmodule-2.0
Couldn't find include 'GLib-2.0.gir' (search path: 
'['/home/marco/.local/share/flatpak/exports/share/gir-1.0', 
'/var/lib/flatpak/exports/share/gir-1.0', 
'/usr/share/gnome-flashback-metacity/gir-1.0', 
'/home/marco/.local/share/flatpak/exports/share/gir-1.0', 
'/var/lib/flatpak/exports/share/gir-1.0', '/usr/local/share/gir-1.0', 
'/usr/share/gir-1.0', '/var/lib/snapd/desktop/gir-1.0', '/usr/share/gir-1.0', 
'/usr/share/gir-1.0', '/usr/share/gir-1.0']')
[14/529] Generating module_common_gpl3.c with a meson_exe.py custom command.
ninja: build stopped: subcommand failed.


why "fixing" something that just works I wonder...


Ok next gimp versions will be without the Italian translation updated
because the translator is now no more able to compile GIMP from
sources...

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Re: [Gimp-developer] help compiling babl

[Akkana Peck]

Marco Ciampa via gimp-developer-list writes:
> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 02:26:50AM +0200, Marco Ciampa via 
> gimp-developer-list wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 08:38:45PM +0300, Alexandre Prokoudine via 
> > gimp-developer-list wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > > 
> > > You should be using the Meson build system now.
> > 
> > Doh, I missed that!
> > It works now, thank you!
> 
> I talked too quickly... now it is GIMP that does not compile (due to babl...):

I had a lot of trouble adjusting my build scripts for babl's meson
build. So once I got it working, I ended up rewriting the GIMP wiki
build instructions to reflect what worked for me.

https://wiki.gimp.org/wiki/Hacking:Building

There are also some additions in the Hacking:Building/Linux page
(linked at the bottom) but it's mostly a discussion of why PREFIX
is important (I didn't write it, someone else did, but it seemed
worth keeping) and a discussion of how to run the GIMP you just built.

Try it out -- and if it turns out that it's still incomplete, let
me know what needs to be changed (or update it yourself, if you
prefer).

I know nothing of the Windows and Mac building pages: I don't
build on those platforms, but it would be great if someone who
does could keep them up to date.

I should mention that my build page rewrites are from shortly after
babl switched to meson, but don't reflect any meson instructions for
gegl or gimp, so eventually Hacking:Building will need to be updated again.

...Akkana
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Re: [Gimp-developer] help compiling babl

[Marco Ciampa via gimp-developer-list]

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 02:26:50AM +0200, Marco Ciampa via gimp-developer-list 
wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 08:38:45PM +0300, Alexandre Prokoudine via 
> gimp-developer-list wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > You should be using the Meson build system now.
> 
> Doh, I missed that!
> It works now, thank you!

I talked too quickly... now it is GIMP that does not compile (due to babl...):

make[4]: ingresso nella directory 
"/home/marco/git/gitlab/gnome/gimp/plug-ins/script-fu"
  CCLD script-fu
//usr/local/lib/libgegl-0.4.so.0: undefined reference to 
`babl_format_get_n_components@V0_1_0'
//usr/local/lib/libgegl-0.4.so.0: undefined reference to 
`babl_model_with_space@V0_1_0'
../../libgimpwidgets/.libs/libgimpwidgets-2.0.so: undefined reference to 
`babl_fish@V0_1_0'
../../libgimpcolor/.libs/libgimpcolor-2.0.so: undefined reference to 
`babl_icc_make_space@V0_1_0'
../../libgimp/.libs/libgimp-2.0.so: undefined reference to 
`babl_palette_set_palette@V0_1_0'
../../libgimpwidgets/.libs/libgimpwidgets-2.0.so: undefined reference to 
`babl_process@V0_1_0'
//usr/local/lib/libgegl-0.4.so.0: undefined reference to 
`babl_get_model_flags@V0_1_0'
../../libgimpcolor/.libs/libgimpcolor-2.0.so: undefined reference to 
`babl_format_get_type@V0_1_0'
../../libgimpcolor/.libs/libgimpcolor-2.0.so: undefined reference to 
`babl_format_has_alpha@V0_1_0'
../../libgimp/.libs/libgimp-2.0.so: undefined reference to 
`babl_new_palette@V0_1_0'
../../libgimpcolor/.libs/libgimpcolor-2.0.so: undefined reference to 
`babl_format_with_space@V0_1_0'
../../libgimpwidgets/.libs/libgimpwidgets-2.0.so: undefined reference to 
`babl_exit@V0_1_0'
../../libgimpwidgets/.libs/libgimpwidgets-2.0.so: undefined reference to 
`babl_init@V0_1_0'
../../libgimpcolor/.libs/libgimpcolor-2.0.so: undefined reference to 
`babl_format_is_palette@V0_1_0'
//usr/local/lib/libgegl-0.4.so.0: undefined reference to 
`babl_format_exists@V0_1_0'
../../libgimpcolor/.libs/libgimpcolor-2.0.so: undefined reference to 
`babl_format_get_bytes_per_pixel@V0_1_0'
../../libgimp/.libs/libgimp-2.0.so: undefined reference to 
`babl_get_name@V0_1_0'
//usr/local/lib/libgegl-0.4.so.0: undefined reference to 
`babl_format_get_encoding@V0_1_0'
//usr/local/lib/libgegl-0.4.so.0: undefined reference to 
`babl_format_get_space@V0_1_0'
../../libgimpcolor/.libs/libgimpcolor-2.0.so: undefined reference to 
`babl_format_get_model@V0_1_0'
//usr/local/lib/libgegl-0.4.so.0: undefined reference to `babl_ticks@V0_1_0'
../../libgimpcolor/.libs/libgimpcolor-2.0.so: undefined reference to 
`babl_model@V0_1_0'
../../libgimpcolor/.libs/libgimpcolor-2.0.so: undefined reference to 
`babl_type@V0_1_0'
../../libgimpwidgets/.libs/libgimpwidgets-2.0.so: undefined reference to 
`babl_format@V0_1_0'
//usr/local/lib/libgegl-0.4.so.0: undefined reference to 
`babl_process_rows@V0_1_0'
collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
Makefile:827: recipe for target 'script-fu' failed
make[4]: *** [script-fu] Error 1
make[4]: uscita dalla directory 
"/home/marco/git/gitlab/gnome/gimp/plug-ins/script-fu"
Makefile:882: recipe for target 'all-recursive' failed
make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[3]: uscita dalla directory 
"/home/marco/git/gitlab/gnome/gimp/plug-ins/script-fu"
Makefile:701: recipe for target 'all-recursive' failed
make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[2]: uscita dalla directory "/home/marco/git/gitlab/gnome/gimp/plug-ins"
Makefile:852: recipe for target 'all-recursive' failed
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: uscita dalla directory "/home/marco/git/gitlab/gnome/gimp"
Makefile:753: recipe for target 'all' failed
make: *** [all] Error 2
marco@marco-N24-25JU:~/git/gitlab/gnome/gimp$ 


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Re: [Gimp-developer] help compiling babl

[Marco Ciampa via gimp-developer-list]

On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 08:38:45PM +0300, Alexandre Prokoudine via 
gimp-developer-list wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> You should be using the Meson build system now.

Doh, I missed that!
It works now, thank you!

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Re: [Gimp-developer] help compiling babl

[Elle Stone]

On 08/12/2019 03:38 PM, Ken Moffat via gimp-developer-list wrote:

On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 02:33:42PM -0400, Elle Stone wrote:

On 08/12/2019 01:38 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine via gimp-developer-list wrote:

Hello,

You should be using the Meson build system now.


In case it helps anyone, here are the lines I've been using with meson to
build babl:


cd $SRC_DIR/babl
git status
rm -r build
git checkout build
cd build
CFLAGS="-march=native -O3 -ffast-math -ftree-vectorize -pipe"
CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}" meson --prefix=$PREFIX ..
ninja install

Here are some questions about meson:

1. Any suggestions to modify my lines?





Hi Ken, and thanks much! for the very helpful information.


Adding '-Dbuildtype=release' to a meson package will turn off debug
assertions, if any (e.g. mesa) and (usually) use -O3 (ISTR that at
least pango uses -O2 for a release build).


2. Do the CFLAGS lines actually do anything when using meson?



Do a verbose build using 'ninja -v' to see what flags and defines
are used.  I usually do separate steps for 'ninja' and 'ninja
install', but whatever works for you.  Verbose builds will produce a
_lot_ more output, teeing it to a log so you can read it afterwards
helps (but I'm sure you know that).


3. How do I tell meson to use "something" equivalent to the following "make"
lines?

./autogen.sh --prefix=$PREFIX --enable-avx2=false --enable-mmx=no
--enable-sse=no --enable-sse2=no --enable-sse3=no --enable-sse4_1=no
--enable-f16c=no --enable-altivec=no --disable-docs



I very much doubt you are on ppc/powerpc, so altivec cannot be used.

In general, meson uses defines (-Dsomething=value, rather like
cmake) for things which are not covered by --prefix= --sysconfdir=.
To see the options for a particular package, look in the
meson_options.txt file.  That might have an option to disable docs,
or it might even be automatic if the deps are missing.

With -march=native I would tend to let gcc sort out sse and similar
options.  I'm assuming you are on x86_64.


Regarding my "make" options for babl, I disabled anything to do with CPU 
code because at one point the only thing that code in babl did was make 
the TRC transforms faster, and I was building babl for my "CCE" version 
of GIMP, which has no TRC transforms. So I just disabled any and all 
options related to the CPU (and for good measure ripped the relevant 
code out of the CCE version of babl).


I guess I should check to see what the babl CPU code does today. But if 
the code is hard-coded to the sRGB TRC, it still won't work with the 
somewhat modified version of GIMP I build for actual editing (as opposed 
to the versions I build for keeping up with and testing the default GIMP 
code).



The gcc manual gives some options (for X86) about what you can put
in CFLAGS|CXXFLAGS, see the  -mfpath= section.
https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/x86-Options.html
(That is for 9.2, probably the only big change from 9.1 is adding
znver2).  And more generally, the -f options are linked from
.../gcc/Option-Index.html

Docs for the latest point release of each gcc version are at
https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/ if you are using an earlier major
version.

OTOH, if you have the (lots of) time needed to try playing with
these options, and scripts which you can run using 'time' (several
runs for each different build) then perhaps tuning out some of these
things might be worthwhile.  I spent a lot of time in the past couple
of months doing whole-system builds with different flags (mostly for
slight hardening) and ended up concluding there was just too much
variation between runs to get much meaningful data on timing.  And I
didn't have any runtime scripts for gimp-related actions.


I wasn't actually trying to optimize this or that using timings or 
anything sophisticated, just relying on some flags that were posted to 
the developer's list a long time ago in response to the general question 
"how to make GIMP go faster". That was back maybe around 2015 or so - 
there was other advice also, I wonder how much is still pertinent after 
all this time.


I have no idea whether these flags actually did or still do make GIMP go 
faster or not. But given the source of the recommendations - someone who 
seems to know what they are doing - I was and still am inclined to keep 
using the flags. Though given the many versions of gcc that have come 
and gone in the meantime, maybe the flags no longer make any sense. 
Updated general advice on cflags is very welcome! If it matters, my CPU 
is an Intel Core i7-4790K.



ĸen



Ken, again, thank you so much! That meson stuff was/is very puzzling. 
Next time I build babl I'll try to put your pointers to good use.


Best,
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Re: [Gimp-developer] help compiling babl

[Ken Moffat via gimp-developer-list]

On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 02:33:42PM -0400, Elle Stone wrote:
> On 08/12/2019 01:38 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine via gimp-developer-list wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > You should be using the Meson build system now.
> 
> In case it helps anyone, here are the lines I've been using with meson to
> build babl:
> 
> 
> cd $SRC_DIR/babl
> git status
> rm -r build
> git checkout build
> cd build
> CFLAGS="-march=native -O3 -ffast-math -ftree-vectorize -pipe"
> CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}" meson --prefix=$PREFIX ..
> ninja install
> 
> Here are some questions about meson:
> 
> 1. Any suggestions to modify my lines?
> 

Adding '-Dbuildtype=release' to a meson package will turn off debug
assertions, if any (e.g. mesa) and (usually) use -O3 (ISTR that at
least pango uses -O2 for a release build).

> 2. Do the CFLAGS lines actually do anything when using meson?
> 

Do a verbose build using 'ninja -v' to see what flags and defines
are used.  I usually do separate steps for 'ninja' and 'ninja
install', but whatever works for you.  Verbose builds will produce a
_lot_ more output, teeing it to a log so you can read it afterwards
helps (but I'm sure you know that).

> 3. How do I tell meson to use "something" equivalent to the following "make"
> lines?
> 
> ./autogen.sh --prefix=$PREFIX --enable-avx2=false --enable-mmx=no
> --enable-sse=no --enable-sse2=no --enable-sse3=no --enable-sse4_1=no
> --enable-f16c=no --enable-altivec=no --disable-docs
> 

I very much doubt you are on ppc/powerpc, so altivec cannot be used.

In general, meson uses defines (-Dsomething=value, rather like
cmake) for things which are not covered by --prefix= --sysconfdir=.
To see the options for a particular package, look in the
meson_options.txt file.  That might have an option to disable docs,
or it might even be automatic if the deps are missing.

With -march=native I would tend to let gcc sort out sse and similar
options.  I'm assuming you are on x86_64.

The gcc manual gives some options (for X86) about what you can put
in CFLAGS|CXXFLAGS, see the  -mfpath= section.
https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/x86-Options.html
(That is for 9.2, probably the only big change from 9.1 is adding
znver2).  And more generally, the -f options are linked from
.../gcc/Option-Index.html

Docs for the latest point release of each gcc version are at
https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/ if you are using an earlier major
version.

OTOH, if you have the (lots of) time needed to try playing with
these options, and scripts which you can run using 'time' (several
runs for each different build) then perhaps tuning out some of these
things might be worthwhile.  I spent a lot of time in the past couple
of months doing whole-system builds with different flags (mostly for
slight hardening) and ended up concluding there was just too much
variation between runs to get much meaningful data on timing.  And I
didn't have any runtime scripts for gimp-related actions.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] help compiling babl

[Elle Stone]

On 08/12/2019 01:38 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine via gimp-developer-list wrote:

Hello,

You should be using the Meson build system now.


In case it helps anyone, here are the lines I've been using with meson 
to build babl:



cd $SRC_DIR/babl
git status
rm -r build
git checkout build
cd build
CFLAGS="-march=native -O3 -ffast-math -ftree-vectorize -pipe" 
CXXFLAGS="${CFLAGS}" meson --prefix=$PREFIX ..

ninja install

Here are some questions about meson:

1. Any suggestions to modify my lines?

2. Do the CFLAGS lines actually do anything when using meson?

3. How do I tell meson to use "something" equivalent to the following 
"make" lines?


./autogen.sh --prefix=$PREFIX --enable-avx2=false --enable-mmx=no 
--enable-sse=no --enable-sse2=no --enable-sse3=no --enable-sse4_1=no 
--enable-f16c=no --enable-altivec=no --disable-docs






Alex

On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 8:36 PM Marco Ciampa via gimp-developer-list
 wrote:


Hi devs, I have a prolem compiling babl...

from master git I do:

./configure
make
make: *** No rule to make target 'Makefile.am', needed by 'Makefile.in'.  Stop.

but with a:

git checkout BABL_0_1_68

it works...

what's going on here?

TIA

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Re: [Gimp-developer] help compiling babl

[Alexandre Prokoudine via gimp-developer-list]

Hello,

You should be using the Meson build system now.

Alex

On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 8:36 PM Marco Ciampa via gimp-developer-list
 wrote:
>
> Hi devs, I have a prolem compiling babl...
>
> from master git I do:
>
> ./configure
> make
> make: *** No rule to make target 'Makefile.am', needed by 'Makefile.in'.  
> Stop.
>
> but with a:
>
> git checkout BABL_0_1_68
>
> it works...
>
> what's going on here?
>
> TIA
>
> --
>
>
> Marco Ciampa
>
> I know a joke about UDP, but you might not get it.
>
> 
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[Gimp-developer] help compiling babl

[Marco Ciampa via gimp-developer-list]

Hi devs, I have a prolem compiling babl...

from master git I do:

./configure
make
make: *** No rule to make target 'Makefile.am', needed by 'Makefile.in'.  Stop.

but with a:

git checkout BABL_0_1_68

it works...

what's going on here?

TIA

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Help!

[Pat David via gimp-developer-list]

The mailing list strips image attachments. Can you upload the image
somewhere and link it?
On Sun, Dec 30, 2018 at 9:54 PM Göran Persson via gimp-developer-list <
gimp-developer-list@gnome.org> wrote:

> Hello friends!
>
> When I use the pens in the GIMP,
>
> then this figure appears.
>
> Can anyone help me remove it?
>
> Please!
>
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[Gimp-developer] Help!

[Göran Persson via gimp-developer-list]

Hello friends!

When I use the pens in the GIMP,

then this figure appears.

Can anyone help me remove it?

Please!

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Help me please

[Monika Fraley]

Hello Pat,
thank you for the answer. I hosted the picture in my drop-box. Here is the 
link: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1257562/gimp.jpg
I hope you can access it. I would really appreciate your help, since I am 
missing this feature in my gimp so much.
Thank you in advance.
Sincerely
Monika Fraley


Am 11.05.2016 um 03:23 schrieb Pat David :
> 
> Hi!
> 
> The mailing list stripped out your image I think. Can you host it somewhere 
> else or give us the names of the scripts your looking for?
> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 4:13 PM Monika Fraley  > wrote:
> Hello all,
> I have been searching high and low, but can not find this: Since I switched 
> computers my ScriptFu add ons/effects - see picture below - are gone. I can 
> not find them anywhere. Please try to help me - maybe you could send me a 
> link, so I can download it on my mac. I’m halfway to going crazy with 
> searching…Please try to find it in your heart to help me. Thank you in 
> advance.
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Re: [Gimp-developer] Help me please

[Pat David]

It looks like you probably installed some sort of bundle of scripts for
GIMP to get those.  You'll need to get that bundle again or each script
individually that you want.  I did a quick search and it looks like many of
them might be found here:

http://www.gimphelp.org/

This is just from a quick google search and is not endorsed by me or GIMP.
If it looks familiar to you perhaps that is where you originally downloaded
those scripts from.

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wrote:

> Hello Pat,
> thank you for the answer. I hosted the picture in my drop-box. Here is the
> link: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1257562/gimp.jpg
> I hope you can access it. I would really appreciate your help, since I am
> missing this feature in my gimp so much.
> Thank you in advance.
> Sincerely
> Monika Fraley
>
>
> Am 11.05.2016 um 03:23 schrieb Pat David :
>
>
> Hi!
>
> The mailing list stripped out your image I think. Can you host it
> somewhere else or give us the names of the scripts your looking for?
> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 4:13 PM Monika Fraley 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>> I have been searching high and low, but can not find this: Since I
>> switched computers my ScriptFu add ons/effects - see picture below - are
>> gone. I can not find them anywhere. Please try to help me - maybe you could
>> send me a link, so I can download it on my mac. I’m halfway to going crazy
>> with searching…Please try to find it in your heart to help me. Thank you in
>> advance.
>> Monika Fraley
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Re: [Gimp-developer] Help me please

[Pat David]

Hi!

The mailing list stripped out your image I think. Can you host it somewhere
else or give us the names of the scripts your looking for?
On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 4:13 PM Monika Fraley 
wrote:

> Hello all,
> I have been searching high and low, but can not find this: Since I
> switched computers my ScriptFu add ons/effects - see picture below - are
> gone. I can not find them anywhere. Please try to help me - maybe you could
> send me a link, so I can download it on my mac. I’m halfway to going crazy
> with searching…Please try to find it in your heart to help me. Thank you in
> advance.
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[Gimp-developer] Help me please

[Monika Fraley]

Hello all,
I have been searching high and low, but can not find this: Since I switched 
computers my ScriptFu add ons/effects - see picture below - are gone. I can not 
find them anywhere. Please try to help me - maybe you could send me a link, so 
I can download it on my mac. I’m halfway to going crazy with searching…Please 
try to find it in your heart to help me. Thank you in advance.
Monika Fraley
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Re: [Gimp-developer] help

[Alexandre Prokoudine]

On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 7:55 AM, Madison Thorne  wrote:
>  I was wondering how I can download the gimp book plug in?

By getting it from http://ragnarb.com/toolbox/gimp-book/ perhaps? :)

Alex
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Re: [Gimp-developer] Help to write plugin

[Gez]

El lun, 05-10-2015 a las 13:06 +0300, Alexandre Prokoudine escribió:
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 6:35 AM, Andrea Bortesi wrote:
> > Hi to all, I'm searching for someone to write an gimp plugin for
> > me.
> > I'm unable to do it.
> > I don't know how to do in this case.
> > I'm sorry if this is not the correct place to call help.
> > If someone have time to spend for me please contact me.
> > The plugin should visualize the live webcam image into a layer.
> > I need it to overlay other image with transparent portion to see
> > through it
> > the webcam video.
> > Is intended only to see the result in real time, not to generate a
> > static
> > image.
> 
> Hi Andrea,
> 
> GIMP is not the right tool for that.
> 
> Perhaps you would have more luck with some VJ app that would take
> your live video input, overlay some image on top of it, and display
> the composite image on a display. On Linux that would be FreeJay,
> Lives, VeeJay, or Qeve.

Hi Andrea,
if you were willing to write a plugin, then you can also try
Processing. (www.processing.org)

Gez.
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Re: [Gimp-developer] Help to write plugin

[Alexandre Prokoudine]

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 6:35 AM, Andrea Bortesi wrote:
> Hi to all, I'm searching for someone to write an gimp plugin for me.
> I'm unable to do it.
> I don't know how to do in this case.
> I'm sorry if this is not the correct place to call help.
> If someone have time to spend for me please contact me.
> The plugin should visualize the live webcam image into a layer.
> I need it to overlay other image with transparent portion to see through it
> the webcam video.
> Is intended only to see the result in real time, not to generate a static
> image.

Hi Andrea,

GIMP is not the right tool for that.

Perhaps you would have more luck with some VJ app that would take
your live video input, overlay some image on top of it, and display
the composite image on a display. On Linux that would be FreeJay,
Lives, VeeJay, or Qeve.

Alex
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[Gimp-developer] Help to write plugin

[Andrea Bortesi]

Hi to all, I'm searching for someone to write an gimp plugin for me.
I'm unable to do it.
I don't know how to do in this case.
I'm sorry if this is not the correct place to call help.
If someone have time to spend for me please contact me.
The plugin should visualize the live webcam image into a layer.
I need it to overlay other image with transparent portion to see through it
the webcam video.
Is intended only to see the result in real time, not to generate a static
image.
I have searched for it but I've found nothing.
I'm a dental technician, the plugin should help me to make teeth.
Sorry if this is not the right place...
Thanks

Andrea Bortesi
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Re: [Gimp-developer] Help for wacom bamboo PAD

[Alexandre Prokoudine]

On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Vincenzo Mazzone wrote:
> Hello everybody, I'm Vincenzo Mazzone, i'm italian so, sorry for my
> english, i've bought the bamboo PAD with digital stylus, the stylus was
> described on the resellers websites that it have 512 pression points and
> the wacom website tells about pression-sensibility:
> http://www.wacom.com/en/us/everyday/bamboo-pad-usb
> pity that the function doesnt work becouse wacom don't want to realase
> drivers!

Hi Vincenzo,

It has nothing to do with drivers :) Pressure sensitivity in GIMP 2.8
for Windows is simply broken. Fixing it would involve a lot of work on
an underlying technology that is pretty much obsolete by now. A proper
fix will be released as part of GIMP 3.0, but it's way in the future
(no estimations at this time).

I'm afraid, right now you have to downgrade to GIMP 2.6 on Windows, if
pressure sensitivity is crucial for your work.

Alexandre
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[Gimp-developer] Help for wacom bamboo PAD

[Vincenzo Mazzone]

Hello everybody, I'm Vincenzo Mazzone, i'm italian so, sorry for my
english, i've bought the bamboo PAD with digital stylus, the stylus was
described on the resellers websites that it have 512 pression points and
the wacom website tells about pression-sensibility:
http://www.wacom.com/en/us/everyday/bamboo-pad-usb
pity that the function doesnt work becouse wacom don't want to realase
drivers! On MAC it works fine (i've read on web) but on windows doesn't
work with pressure, BUT some programs can use the sensibility, for example:
ArtRage and Bamboo Page (a wacom app for Win 8) so, can you make the
compatibility wit GIMP? because it'a real fraud, and you with your
fantastic program can resolve the problem and put "it" in that place to
wacom! I attach this link:
http://forum.wacom.eu/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=16042it's a wacom forum,
that explane how wacom reasoning...the touchpad have
the potential, but they don't want to we use it! Please help we!
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Re: [Gimp-developer] HELP with SYMBOLIC icon theme for Gimp: license

[Jehan Pagès]

Hi,

On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 8:24 PM, jEsuSdA 8)  wrote:
> El 27/11/13 07:04, Jehan Pagès escribió:
>>
>> Also am I right to assume that we want to have*all*  icons in this
>>
>> style, and get rid of all the generic GTK+ icons too?
>
>
> I like it!
> When using a desktop icon theme like Faenza, Gimp looks like great, but if
> you use another more colorful icon theme, it looks like a bit strange. :D

Ok I'll make a small list of all the missing icons. There seems to be
quite a few. And I'll add it in a wiki pageof wiki.gimp.org. Since
there may be several designer who want to give a try to draw the
missing icons, I guess I'll ask to every one who wants to do so to
write his name in front of an icon before starting to create it.

I'll follow up with the link later.

Jehan


>
> I want to help to do that! ;)
>
> Salu2 de jEsuSdA 8)
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Re: [Gimp-developer] HELP with SYMBOLIC icon theme for Gimp: license

[jEsuSdA 8)]

El 27/11/13 07:04, Jehan Pagès escribió:

Also am I right to assume that we want to have*all*  icons in this
style, and get rid of all the generic GTK+ icons too?


I like it!
When using a desktop icon theme like Faenza, Gimp looks like great, but 
if you use another more colorful icon theme, it looks like a bit strange. :D


I want to help to do that! ;)

Salu2 de jEsuSdA 8)
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Re: [Gimp-developer] HELP with SYMBOLIC icon theme for Gimp: license

[Jehan Pagès]

Hi,

On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 2:27 AM, jEsuSdA 8)  wrote:
> El 25/11/13 07:05, Jehan Pagès escribió:
>> Also it looks like it comprises only the icons for the light
>> background theme, doesn't it?
>
>
>
> Here the light one:
>
> http://www.jesusda.com/files/symbolic-gimp_light.7z

Thanks jEsuSdA!

On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 11:13 AM, Jehan Pagès  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 4:59 AM, scl  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Jakub Steiner answered me.
>> He and Barbara Muraus (the other icon designer who
>> created the ArtLibre icon set) are ok with relicensing
>> it under the GPLv3. We agreed to mention their names
>> in the sources.
>>
>> Jehan, if you have planned to work on this, please
>> let me know to save us from duplication of work ;-)
>
> No, no prob, go on. I'm not planning to do any work that someone else
> is willing to do instead. :p

Actually Sven, I was thinking if you would mind if I set up a feature
branch for this? I have already started to have a look now, and also
already fixed some bug on the darken images.

I will also set up the wiki page that you wished, so that we can all
work together. Is it good?

I have a friend who wants to help to complete the missing stock icons.
Also am I right to assume that we want to have *all* icons in this
style, and get rid of all the generic GTK+ icons too?

Jehan

>
> Jehan
>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Sven
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Re: [Gimp-developer] HELP with SYMBOLIC icon theme for Gimp: license

[jEsuSdA 8)]

El 25/11/13 07:05, Jehan Pagès escribió:

Hi jEsuSdA,



Hi Jehan,



Today I've wanted to actually check the theme and see how it is, other
than as a screenshot. Your archive found in
http://www.jesusda.com/files/symbolic-gimp.7z is the last version?


Yes, is the latest one.



Also it looks like it comprises only the icons for the light
background theme, doesn't it?



Here the light one:

http://www.jesusda.com/files/symbolic-gimp_light.7z

The light one is not 100% finished. Maybe there are some little icons I 
must to correct. ;)




Where are the original light icons for a dark background theme?


The original theme is hosted at gnome-design-team highub:

https://github.com/gnome-design-team/gnome-icons/tree/master/art-libre-symbolic/src




Regards,

Jehan


Salu2 de jEsuSdA 8)

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Re: [Gimp-developer] HELP with SYMBOLIC icon theme for Gimp: license

[Jehan Pagès]

Hi jEsuSdA,

On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 5:08 AM, jEsuSdA 8)  wrote:
> El 05/11/13 16:59, scl escribió:
>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Jakub Steiner answered me.
>> He and Barbara Muraus (the other icon designer who
>> created the ArtLibre icon set) are ok with relicensing
>> it under the GPLv3. We agreed to mention their names
>> in the sources.
>>
>> Jehan, if you have planned to work on this, please
>> let me know to save us from duplication of work ;-)
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Sven
>
>
>
> Great news, Sven!
>
> If you need any help I can give you, please let me know.

Today I've wanted to actually check the theme and see how it is, other
than as a screenshot. Your archive found in
http://www.jesusda.com/files/symbolic-gimp.7z is the last version?
Also it looks like it comprises only the icons for the light
background theme, doesn't it?
Where are the original light icons for a dark background theme?

Regards,

Jehan

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> Salu2 de jEsuSdA 8)
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Re: [Gimp-developer] HELP with SYMBOLIC icon theme for Gimp: license

[Jehan Pagès]

Hi,

On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 4:59 AM, scl  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Jakub Steiner answered me.
> He and Barbara Muraus (the other icon designer who
> created the ArtLibre icon set) are ok with relicensing
> it under the GPLv3. We agreed to mention their names
> in the sources.
>
> Jehan, if you have planned to work on this, please
> let me know to save us from duplication of work ;-)

No, no prob, go on. I'm not planning to do any work that someone else
is willing to do instead. :p

Jehan

> Kind regards,
>
> Sven
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Re: [Gimp-developer] HELP with SYMBOLIC icon theme for Gimp: license

[jEsuSdA 8)]

El 05/11/13 16:59, scl escribió:


Hi,

Jakub Steiner answered me.
He and Barbara Muraus (the other icon designer who
created the ArtLibre icon set) are ok with relicensing
it under the GPLv3. We agreed to mention their names
in the sources.

Jehan, if you have planned to work on this, please
let me know to save us from duplication of work ;-)

Kind regards,

Sven



Great news, Sven!

If you need any help I can give you, please let me know.

Salu2 de jEsuSdA 8)

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Re: [Gimp-developer] HELP with SYMBOLIC icon theme for Gimp: license

[scl]

Hi,

Jakub Steiner answered me.
He and Barbara Muraus (the other icon designer who
created the ArtLibre icon set) are ok with relicensing
it under the GPLv3. We agreed to mention their names
in the sources.

Jehan, if you have planned to work on this, please
let me know to save us from duplication of work ;-)

Kind regards,

Sven

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Re: [Gimp-developer] HELP with SYMBOLIC icon theme for Gimp.

[scl]

On 3.11.2013 at 12:51 PM Jehan Pagès wrote:> Hello Jimmac,


my name is Jehan. I am a GIMP developer. We are considering releasing
the next major release of GIMP with an additional icon set, which goes
well with a darker theme. A contributor (jEsuSdA, in Cc) added the
missing icons and also made an alternate version which would go with a
lighter theme.

[...]

Two people with the same idea ;-) For completeness, here is the mail
I've sent to jimmac:


Hi Jakub,

I'm Sven Claussner and have been a GIMP contributor for ca. 1 year.
After we spoke in IRC on 30.9.2013 about using your Artlibre icon set
for GIMP, some questions on distributing it together with GIMP came up.
The plans are to create a dark UI theme together with an extended
version of the Artlibre icon set and distribute it as part of GIMP.

Our current problem is a license issue:
The GIMP code is mainly under GPLv3 and the icon set under CC-BY-SA3.
Looking at the [FSF licence list] I read that GPLv3 and
CC-BY-SA2 are mutually incompatible; with no notices about the
CC-BY-SA3. I asked the FSF for clarification and their point is,
that 'if the software is merely displaying the icons, could
just as well display any others, and doesn't rely on specific attributes
of those particular icons,' then there's no problem.
I'd say, that's clearly the case, but then the doubts arose if
this still applies if they are part of the compiled package
(IMHO especially in the cases when GIMP comes in an installer package).
The artist who created the extensions to the Artlibre icon set would
have no problem to license it under GPLv3.

You can also follow this [discussion] on the GIMP-developer mailing list.

Can you give us an answer on how to proceed now, please?
Is it safe or do we have or need the agreement of the ArtLibre creators
to ship it with GIMP?
Should I better bring up this topic on the GNOME desktop-devel-list?

I'd be grateful for your answer, preferably on the GIMP developer list.

Thank you in advance,

Sven



[FSF licence list]:
https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#OtherLicenses

[discussion]:
https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-developer-list/2013-October/msg00020.html





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Re: [Gimp-developer] HELP with SYMBOLIC icon theme for Gimp.

[Jehan Pagès]

Hello Jimmac,

my name is Jehan. I am a GIMP developer. We are considering releasing
the next major release of GIMP with an additional icon set, which goes
well with a darker theme. A contributor (jEsuSdA, in Cc) added the
missing icons and also made an alternate version which would go with a
lighter theme.
See here a photo of the dark theme:
https://plus.google.com/+AlexandreProkoudine/posts/LP1pWr7YEgA
And here the light theme: http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=60269

It seems you were the original author of the icon set, which maybe you
can confirm us by having a look at the screenshots.

If not mistaken, your work is under a Cc by-sa 3.0 license, which is a
fine license, but would be a problem for one of the default icon set
provided in the official GIMP release, because we actually compile the
icons into source code. And the problem is that Creative Common by-sa
is not compatible with GPLv3.
So my question is simple: would you accept to double-license this
specific set of icons as GPLv3 to allow us to safely include it in our
next major release of GIMP?
Thank you very much.

Jehan

On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 5:01 AM, jEsuSdA 8)  wrote:
> El 29/10/13 01:57, Jehan Pagès escribió:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 8:15 AM, jEsuSdA 8)  wrote:
>>>
>>> El 28/10/13 18:37, Alexandre Prokoudine escribió:


 Is your theme from October 4 the latest version?
>>>
>>>
>>> Here is the latest version:
>>>
>>> http://www.jesusda.com/files/symbolic-gimp.7z
>>>
>>
>> Reading Sven email about a possible licensing issue, and if I
>> understand, you are the author of the icon set. Would you accept to
>> double license your work under a GPL license? I guess this would
>> simplify the whole discussion and problematic.
>>
>
> I am not the author of all icons. The main work was made by the Gnome Design
> Team (I think Jimmac has made this nice work). I transformed and created new
> ones, and I converted all the work to a gimp theme.
>
> I have absolutely no problem to license and relicense this theme. I think
> there are no problem about that and I made this work not only for me, but
> for all gimp users.
>
> So, if you think a dual license or relicense of the work it will be fine,
> then all is ok for me. ;)
>
> Of course, you must ask Jimmac too.
>
>
>
>
>> By the way, Sven, which GPL version is the theme?
>>
>> Anyway yes, I would love to see a dark theme with a renewed icon set
>> available in GIMP 2.10. :-)
>
>
>
> The problem with CC and GPL appears to be when you include the icons in
> binary files. As both CC and GPL forces to mantain the same license in
> derivative works, is not posible to include the icon in a gimp binary and
> mantain the software on GPL or mantain the icons in CC, cause is the same
> file.
>
> The Gimp icons ARE NOT COMPILED, are ONLY USED, and anybody can EXTRACT and
> MANIPULATE the icons mantaining the CC license restrictions, so, I think it
> is possible include a set of CC icons in Gimp and this not violate CC and
> GPL, cause GPL is for code and CC is for the icon theme.
>
> Is the same case as help files or plugins. They can use other licenses,
> cause you can clearly separate the help files or plugin from main gimp
> application.
>
> I undertand this when reading the Sven mail. I'm wrong or wright?
>
>
> Thank you!
> jEsuSdA 8)
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Re: [Gimp-developer] HELP with SYMBOLIC icon theme for Gimp.

[Jehan Pagès]

Hi,

On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Michael Schumacher  wrote:
> On 28.10.2013 19:59, scl wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> in matter of the unclear license situation I asked the FSF
>> for clarification and like to share their answer (see below).
>> It's not a legal advice, but I hope it sheds us some light
>> on the issue.
>
> Unfortunately your mail seems to discard the fact that the icons are run
> through gdk-pixbuf-csource. So the FSF probably assumed that the icons
> are included as individual files alongside the binaries.

I wonder though. Do we *have to* compile them as source files?

I mean, users can provide their own themes, thus their own icon set
too, right? And I assume these icons won't be extracted into source
files, since they are loaded at runtime. So that means the default
icons could be just provided "alongside" the binaries too, just as
third-party's are.

So why do we extract them? Is it like for some efficiency gain reason
(like the default theme would be "faster" than any third-party theme)?
I mean, there cannot possibly be that a huge gain that it is worth to
do so, compared to licensing issues.
Or is there any other reason?
Thanks.

Jehan

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Re: [Gimp-developer] HELP with SYMBOLIC icon theme for Gimp.

[Jehan Pagès]

Hi,

On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Michael Schumacher  wrote:
> On 30.10.2013 23:14, Jehan Pagès wrote:
>
>> So well now I'm not sure anymore. Though checking the said file, I
>> would not say they are "compiled" in, merely listed as filenames
>> (which could therefore apply to any other set of icons with the same
>> names). Only stock-question-64.png seems kind of compiled as pixel
>> data into gimp-core-pixbufs.h.
>
> Please read that whole Makefile(.am). And run make in that directory and
> check the results.

Yes I did read the whole Makefile.am, but I don't know how I did not
see gimp-stock-pixbufs.h. :-)
Indeed all the default icons are compiled as pixels in a header.

Well the safer and simpler is to ask this Jimmac. If he is from the
GNOME project, as I understand, I guess he would have no problem with
double-licensing his work under GPLv3+.
Is anyone in contact with him and could ask him to make an official
answer (maybe on this mailing list or other public place) about it?

Thanks!

Jehan

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Re: [Gimp-developer] HELP with SYMBOLIC icon theme for Gimp.

[Michael Schumacher]

On 28.10.2013 19:59, scl wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> in matter of the unclear license situation I asked the FSF
> for clarification and like to share their answer (see below).
> It's not a legal advice, but I hope it sheds us some light
> on the issue.

Unfortunately your mail seems to discard the fact that the icons are run
through gdk-pixbuf-csource. So the FSF probably assumed that the icons
are included as individual files alongside the binaries.


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Re: [Gimp-developer] HELP with SYMBOLIC icon theme for Gimp.

[Michael Schumacher]

On 30.10.2013 23:14, Jehan Pagès wrote:

> So well now I'm not sure anymore. Though checking the said file, I
> would not say they are "compiled" in, merely listed as filenames
> (which could therefore apply to any other set of icons with the same
> names). Only stock-question-64.png seems kind of compiled as pixel
> data into gimp-core-pixbufs.h.

Please read that whole Makefile(.am). And run make in that directory and
check the results.


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Re: [Gimp-developer] HELP with SYMBOLIC icon theme for Gimp.

[Jehan Pagès]

Hi,

On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 5:01 AM, jEsuSdA 8)  wrote:
> El 29/10/13 01:57, Jehan Pagès escribió:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 8:15 AM, jEsuSdA 8)  wrote:
>>>
>>> El 28/10/13 18:37, Alexandre Prokoudine escribió:


 Is your theme from October 4 the latest version?
>>>
>>>
>>> Here is the latest version:
>>>
>>> http://www.jesusda.com/files/symbolic-gimp.7z
>>>
>>
>> Reading Sven email about a possible licensing issue, and if I
>> understand, you are the author of the icon set. Would you accept to
>> double license your work under a GPL license? I guess this would
>> simplify the whole discussion and problematic.
>>
>
> I am not the author of all icons. The main work was made by the Gnome Design
> Team (I think Jimmac has made this nice work). I transformed and created new
> ones, and I converted all the work to a gimp theme.
>
> I have absolutely no problem to license and relicense this theme. I think
> there are no problem about that and I made this work not only for me, but
> for all gimp users.
>
> So, if you think a dual license or relicense of the work it will be fine,
> then all is ok for me. ;)


Cool!

> Of course, you must ask Jimmac too.
>
>
>
>
>> By the way, Sven, which GPL version is the theme?
>>
>> Anyway yes, I would love to see a dark theme with a renewed icon set
>> available in GIMP 2.10. :-)
>
>
>
> The problem with CC and GPL appears to be when you include the icons in
> binary files. As both CC and GPL forces to mantain the same license in
> derivative works, is not posible to include the icon in a gimp binary and
> mantain the software on GPL or mantain the icons in CC, cause is the same
> file.
>
> The Gimp icons ARE NOT COMPILED, are ONLY USED, and anybody can EXTRACT and
> MANIPULATE the icons mantaining the CC license restrictions, so, I think it
> is possible include a set of CC icons in Gimp and this not violate CC and
> GPL, cause GPL is for code and CC is for the icon theme.

That's also what I thought and what I said earlier on this thread:
> I know that the FSF says not to use it for code, but it says it is
> good for arts though. And I think since themes are not "compiled in"
> or "linked" to the code,
And Michael Schumacher answered to this by:
> They are. Their icons at least, see
> https://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/tree/themes/Default/images/Makefile.am#n394
> ff.

So well now I'm not sure anymore. Though checking the said file, I
would not say they are "compiled" in, merely listed as filenames
(which could therefore apply to any other set of icons with the same
names). Only stock-question-64.png seems kind of compiled as pixel
data into gimp-core-pixbufs.h. So I would say that if problem there
were for licensing, it would be only on this icon (and since this icon
displays a Wilber, I guess it was not in the original set, and you are
the author, aren't you?).

> Is the same case as help files or plugins. They can use other licenses,
> cause you can clearly separate the help files or plugin from main gimp
> application.
>
> I undertand this when reading the Sven mail. I'm wrong or wright?

Then indeed in Sven's email, the FSF person says:

> if the software is merely displaying the icons, could
> just as well display any others, and doesn't rely on specific attributes
> of those particular icons then they shouldn't be considered derivatives
> and could be distributed alongside the GPL'd work in mere aggregation
> (http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#MereAggregation)

So here I understand that it can indeed very well apply to icons (even
though they might be compiled somehow in some cases?), because a theme
and icons are replaceable in "mere aggregation", and there is nothing
specific about any icon set.

In any case, I would think that there is no problem at all. But same
as the FSF replier said, I am no layer either.
The simpler and safer is to re-license. That's why I asked. If all
authors license to GPL3+, same as the rest of the code, then we just
have no problem altogether, for sure.

Of course, this is only because we may want to distribute this
publicly. For any icon set, theme, plugin or whatever which is not
distributed (a user made it for himself) or distributed separately and
aggregated to GIMP later, then there is no legal issue for the user,
who is perfectly allowed to do so.

Jehan

>
>
> Thank you!
> jEsuSdA 8)
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Re: [Gimp-developer] HELP with SYMBOLIC icon theme for Gimp.

[jEsuSdA 8)]

El 29/10/13 01:57, Jehan Pagès escribió:

Hi,

On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 8:15 AM, jEsuSdA 8)  wrote:

El 28/10/13 18:37, Alexandre Prokoudine escribió:


Is your theme from October 4 the latest version?


Here is the latest version:

http://www.jesusda.com/files/symbolic-gimp.7z



Reading Sven email about a possible licensing issue, and if I
understand, you are the author of the icon set. Would you accept to
double license your work under a GPL license? I guess this would
simplify the whole discussion and problematic.



I am not the author of all icons. The main work was made by the Gnome 
Design Team (I think Jimmac has made this nice work). I transformed and 
created new ones, and I converted all the work to a gimp theme.


I have absolutely no problem to license and relicense this theme. I 
think there are no problem about that and I made this work not only for 
me, but for all gimp users.


So, if you think a dual license or relicense of the work it will be 
fine, then all is ok for me. ;)


Of course, you must ask Jimmac too.




By the way, Sven, which GPL version is the theme?

Anyway yes, I would love to see a dark theme with a renewed icon set
available in GIMP 2.10. :-)



The problem with CC and GPL appears to be when you include the icons in 
binary files. As both CC and GPL forces to mantain the same license in 
derivative works, is not posible to include the icon in a gimp binary 
and mantain the software on GPL or mantain the icons in CC, cause is the 
same file.


The Gimp icons ARE NOT COMPILED, are ONLY USED, and anybody can EXTRACT 
and MANIPULATE the icons mantaining the CC license restrictions, so, I 
think it is possible include a set of CC icons in Gimp and this not 
violate CC and GPL, cause GPL is for code and CC is for the icon theme.


Is the same case as help files or plugins. They can use other licenses, 
cause you can clearly separate the help files or plugin from main gimp 
application.


I undertand this when reading the Sven mail. I'm wrong or wright?


Thank you!
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Re: [Gimp-developer] HELP with SYMBOLIC icon theme for Gimp.

[Jehan Pagès]

Hi,

On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 8:15 AM, jEsuSdA 8)  wrote:
> El 28/10/13 18:37, Alexandre Prokoudine escribió:
>>
>> Is your theme from October 4 the latest version?
>
> Here is the latest version:
>
> http://www.jesusda.com/files/symbolic-gimp.7z
>

Reading Sven email about a possible licensing issue, and if I
understand, you are the author of the icon set. Would you accept to
double license your work under a GPL license? I guess this would
simplify the whole discussion and problematic.

By the way, Sven, which GPL version is the theme?

Anyway yes, I would love to see a dark theme with a renewed icon set
available in GIMP 2.10. :-)

Jehan

>
> The problem with the color picker icon persist. :S
>
>
>
>>
>> @Everyone, how about we merge it?
>>
>
> I think it will be a great idea. Gimp looks like great with this theme.
>
>
> Thanks!
> jEsuSdA 8)
>
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Re: [Gimp-developer] HELP with SYMBOLIC icon theme for Gimp.

[jEsuSdA 8)]

El 28/10/13 18:37, Alexandre Prokoudine escribió:

On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 12:20 PM, jEsuSdA 8) wrote:


The buttons can be identified easily and his name appears clearly, but the
icon in the tabs does not appears. I've searching on other values and trying
several things, but I can found the icon name and any way to identify it.


Hi,



Hi Alexandre!



Is your theme from October 4 the latest version?



Here is the latest version:

http://www.jesusda.com/files/symbolic-gimp.7z


The problem with the color picker icon persist. :S




@Everyone, how about we merge it?



I think it will be a great idea. Gimp looks like great with this theme.


Thanks!
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Re: [Gimp-developer] HELP with SYMBOLIC icon theme for Gimp.

[scl]

Hi,

in matter of the unclear license situation I asked the FSF
for clarification and like to share their answer (see below).
It's not a legal advice, but I hope it sheds us some light
on the issue.

Best,
Sven

On  11.10.2013 at 02:48 A.M., Yoni Rabkin via RT wrote:

> I'm writing as a contributor to the GIMP open source project.  We're
> currently in the situation that we'd like to add more UI themes to our
> project. We found a suitable icon set in the GNOME project
> (https://github.com/gnome-design-team/gnome-icons).  Our project is
> under the GPL 3 (parts of it under the LGPL), the existing UI theme I
> currently have in mind is under the GPL and the desired icon theme is
> licensed under the CCBYSA3.  Currently we're unsure whether the
> CCBYSA3 artwork can be combined with the GPL code (and the GPL theme
> if we decided to use it).  How is the FSF's position about it? Can
> they be combined or has the icon set to be relicensed under the GPL?
> I already read your license compatibility list, but unfortunately the
> latest CCBYSA license mentioned there is of version 2.  Could you also
> update the list, please?

The CC-BY-SA licenses and the GNU GPL are mutually incompatible because
both are copyleft licenses; they both require that derivatives be
licensed under the same terms, and it is therefore impossible to
simultaneously satisfy both licenses.

But that is only true when the works are mutually derivative, and it
isn't clear that this is the case. The position of the GPL Compliance
Lab has been that if the software is merely displaying the icons, could
just as well display any others, and doesn't rely on specific attributes
of those particular icons then they shouldn't be considered derivatives
and could be distributed alongside the GPL'd work in mere aggregation
(http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#MereAggregation)

Please bear in mind that we aren't lawyers and this isn't legal
advice. Also note that it isn't necessarily a given that the icon's
copyright holder/s hold the same position about derivatives.

I hope this sheds some light on the issue. Please feel free to write
back with any further questions.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] HELP with SYMBOLIC icon theme for Gimp.

[Alexandre Prokoudine]

On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 12:20 PM, jEsuSdA 8) wrote:

> The buttons can be identified easily and his name appears clearly, but the
> icon in the tabs does not appears. I've searching on other values and trying
> several things, but I can found the icon name and any way to identify it.

Hi,

Is your theme from October 4 the latest version?

@Everyone, how about we merge it?

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Re: [Gimp-developer] HELP with SYMBOLIC icon theme for Gimp.

[jEsuSdA 8)]

El 07/10/13 23:21, GSR - FR escribió:

Hi,
lis...@jesusda.com (2013-10-04 at 1244.03 +0200):
[...]

I've been read the gimp documentation ( libgimpwidgets-GimpStock.htm
) to edit the imagerc file and load all the icons, but some ones
does not load and I can not find the correct   '' stock["NAME"] = ''
entry.


When I assembled G3HOST, there was a tool named gle (SVN was still in
use). It seems that tool is no more (lost with GIT migration?). The
README.txt in the archive has all the info collected at that time.
http://www.infernal-iceberg.com/gimp/G3HOST-20090219.tgz

But now, after some searching, I found a newer, similar, tool,
gtkparasite. http://chipx86.github.io/gtkparasite/



Hi!

I found, download and tried it with no sucess.

The buttons can be identified easily and his name appears clearly, but 
the icon in the tabs does not appears. I've searching on other values 
and trying several things, but I can found the icon name and any way to 
identify it.





Maybe it can help you figure widget layout, settings, etc like gle
did. Good luck.


The gtkparasite is a great tool, it is so usefull, but in this case I 
can found the solution for this misterious icon.


Thank you very much, GSR. ;)

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Re: [Gimp-developer] HELP with SYMBOLIC icon theme for Gimp.

[GSR - FR]

Hi,
lis...@jesusda.com (2013-10-04 at 1244.03 +0200):
[...]
> I've been read the gimp documentation ( libgimpwidgets-GimpStock.htm
> ) to edit the imagerc file and load all the icons, but some ones
> does not load and I can not find the correct   '' stock["NAME"] = ''
> entry.

When I assembled G3HOST, there was a tool named gle (SVN was still in
use). It seems that tool is no more (lost with GIT migration?). The
README.txt in the archive has all the info collected at that time.
http://www.infernal-iceberg.com/gimp/G3HOST-20090219.tgz

But now, after some searching, I found a newer, similar, tool,
gtkparasite. http://chipx86.github.io/gtkparasite/

Maybe it can help you figure widget layout, settings, etc like gle
did. Good luck.

GSR
 
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Re: [Gimp-developer] HELP with SYMBOLIC icon theme for Gimp.

[jEsuSdA 8)]

El 07/10/13 11:44, Simon Budig escribió:

jEsuSdA 8) (lis...@jesusda.com) wrote:

I have found a file: gimpstock.h that contains this lines:

/*  missing icons:  */
#define GIMP_STOCK_PALETTE  GTK_STOCK_SELECT_COLOR

I suppose this mean that there is no icon defined, so Gimp load a
gtk one and it is impossible to force gimp to load another icon from
theme.


This is a #define pointing to a different #define.
GTK_STOCK_SELECT_COLOR is defined as "gtk-select-color" and
GIMP_STOCK_PALETTE inherits this definition.

The fun thing is, that the palette color selector uses
GIMP_STOCK_PALETTE as well as the Palette Editor. I don't understand how
this can be different icons.



I give up! My knowledge and time is not enough to fix this issue :(

The symbolic gimp theme will allways show a extrange and colorfull 
palette icon.


Thank you very much Simon. ;)

Salu2 de jEsuSdA 8)


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Re: [Gimp-developer] HELP with SYMBOLIC icon theme for Gimp.

[Simon Budig]

jEsuSdA 8) (lis...@jesusda.com) wrote:
> I have found a file: gimpstock.h that contains this lines:
> 
> /*  missing icons:  */
> #define GIMP_STOCK_PALETTE  GTK_STOCK_SELECT_COLOR
> 
> I suppose this mean that there is no icon defined, so Gimp load a
> gtk one and it is impossible to force gimp to load another icon from
> theme.

This is a #define pointing to a different #define.
GTK_STOCK_SELECT_COLOR is defined as "gtk-select-color" and
GIMP_STOCK_PALETTE inherits this definition.

The fun thing is, that the palette color selector uses
GIMP_STOCK_PALETTE as well as the Palette Editor. I don't understand how
this can be different icons.

Bye,
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Re: [Gimp-developer] HELP with SYMBOLIC icon theme for Gimp.

[jEsuSdA 8)]

El 06/10/13 12:12, jEsuSdA 8) escribió:

El 05/10/13 23:49, Simon Budig escribió:

jEsuSdA 8) (lis...@jesusda.com) wrote:

El 05/10/13 01:05, Simon Budig escribió:

jEsuSdA 8) (lis...@jesusda.com) wrote:

But solving A does not solve B and the old coloured icon still
appears. ¿?¿?¿? :(


ok, weird.



yes. :(


Dunno, I added the following section to the imagerc and it just worked:

 stock["gtk-select-color"] =
 {
 {"images/stock-colormap-24.png", *, *, "gtk-button" },
 {"images/stock-colormap-24.png", *, *, * }
 }



Not for me! :(
What kind of magic is this?! hehehe.


http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=60351


As you see, the "palette edit" icon still appears as the default theme.




I have spending some time searching in gimp sourcecode.

I have found a file: gimpstock.h that contains this lines:

/*  missing icons:  */
#define GIMP_STOCK_PALETTE  GTK_STOCK_SELECT_COLOR

I suppose this mean that there is no icon defined, so Gimp load a gtk 
one and it is impossible to force gimp to load another icon from theme.


It this correct? is this a Gimp bug? there are any way to change the 
Edit Palette icon?


Someone can help me?

Thanks. ;)
jEsuSdA 8)


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Re: [Gimp-developer] HELP with SYMBOLIC icon theme for Gimp.

[Michael Schumacher]

On 06.10.2013 15:40, Jehan Pagès wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 9:08 PM, Sven Claussner  wrote:
>> Another thing we should consider is the license. The used symbolic
>> icon set is licensed under the Creative Commons Share Alike License 3
>> (CCBYSA3). It is probably [incompatible with the GPL] used in GIMP
>> and could also be incompatible with Linux distributor approvals.
>> IMHO either the icon set and theme are relicenced under the GPL or we
>> need something else if we want to integrate them into GIMP.
>> The Darklooks theme uses the GPLv2.
> 
> Why would CC by-sa v3 *for themes* be incompatible with GPLv3 *for
> code*? Do you have any information to backup this?
> 
> I know that the FSF says not to use it for code, but it says it is
> good for arts though. And I think since themes are not "compiled in"
> or "linked" to the code,

They are. Their icons at least, see
https://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/tree/themes/Default/images/Makefile.am#n394
ff.

> there is absolutely no legal need to have
> compatible licenses. I am pretty sure there are a whole bunch of Free
> Software projects out there which use CC by-sa for arts (themes,
> icons, etc.) and GPL for code.

Then those projects might be a) unaware of this, b) might not compile in
their icons or c) might have solved the problem. If there is one,
https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#OtherLicenses lists
CC-BY-SA version 2.0 as being incompatible and does not mention later
versions.

> And we were even considering this a few
> days ago on the IRC channel (relicensing all our brushes/pattern and
> all other GIMP default data in CC by-sa).

Yes, but those are not part of the compiled code. And we want to do this
explicitely to avoid confusion about whether images created with such
brushes and patterns would have to be licensed under the GNU GPL.

> I am no lawman though, so if you have more information about this
> claim, ok. Otherwise from what I thought to know, there is absolutely
> no problem to have CC by-sa for themes in our main tree.


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Re: [Gimp-developer] HELP with SYMBOLIC icon theme for Gimp.

[Jehan Pagès]

Hi,

On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 9:08 PM, Sven Claussner  wrote:
> Another thing we should consider is the license. The used symbolic
> icon set is licensed under the Creative Commons Share Alike License 3
> (CCBYSA3). It is probably [incompatible with the GPL] used in GIMP
> and could also be incompatible with Linux distributor approvals.
> IMHO either the icon set and theme are relicenced under the GPL or we
> need something else if we want to integrate them into GIMP.
> The Darklooks theme uses the GPLv2.

Why would CC by-sa v3 *for themes* be incompatible with GPLv3 *for
code*? Do you have any information to backup this?

I know that the FSF says not to use it for code, but it says it is
good for arts though. And I think since themes are not "compiled in"
or "linked" to the code, there is absolutely no legal need to have
compatible licenses. I am pretty sure there are a whole bunch of Free
Software projects out there which use CC by-sa for arts (themes,
icons, etc.) and GPL for code. And we were even considering this a few
days ago on the IRC channel (relicensing all our brushes/pattern and
all other GIMP default data in CC by-sa).

I am no lawman though, so if you have more information about this
claim, ok. Otherwise from what I thought to know, there is absolutely
no problem to have CC by-sa for themes in our main tree.

Jehan

> If this is clarified: As the 2.8 branch is for bugfixes I'm for
> integration into the master branch so the theme will be in the 2.10
> release and who likes can use it in 2.8 anyway (both use GTK+ 2).
>
> JEsuSdA 8) thanks anyway for your work. You did a great job and now
> that we're further there's surely less work to be done. Keep it up! :-)
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Sven
>
> [incompatible with the GPL]:
>   http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html
>   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_FSF_approved_software_licenses
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Re: [Gimp-developer] HELP with SYMBOLIC icon theme for Gimp.

[Simon Budig]

jEsuSdA 8) (lis...@jesusda.com) wrote:
> Not for me! :(
> What kind of magic is this?! hehehe.

Sorry, my fault. I was looking at the wrong icon.

I see the problem now as well. Not sure what is happening there...

Bye,
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Re: [Gimp-developer] HELP with SYMBOLIC icon theme for Gimp.

[jEsuSdA 8)]

El 06/10/13 10:08, Sven Claussner escribió:

Hi all,




Hi!


I'm also for an additional dark theme. Both (dark and lighter theme)
can ease the artists work and be used to check the images appearance
on-the-fly.

I've already sat for hours on searching for a suitable dark theme,
integrating the Gnome art-libre icon set and after asking Jimmac at IRC
without ulterior motives one day before his G+ posting the things are
now slipped away from my hands. If it still matters - Andrea Cimitans
Darklooks theme looks suitable. In Debian it's in the package
'gnome-themes-extras'.

I also think there's more to a professional, user-supporting theme
than assembling nice pieces out of a spontaneous idea. Ad hoc topics
like suitability for speedy work, using a theme engine that works on
all important platforms (Linux, Windows, OS X) and suitability for
High-DPI (Retina) displays come to my mind. Therefore I asked Peter for
some input on the topic. Perhaps we know more next week.



First at all, excuse my poor English. I think I don't understand some 
things you say. :S


I understand you are talking about 2 things: gtk dark theme and icon theme.

You say you are working to bring a default dark theme together a 
gnome-art libre symbolic icon theme, isn't it?


The thing is that the icon theme I'm working is based on gnome-art libre 
symbolic icon theme and the gnome-art is not finished. So I try to 
finish it.


So, maybe some parts of my work, but all, could be used to achieve your 
goal.


My theme can be used on light gtk themes, the gnome-art libre does not 
work on light themes cause icons are lighter too. I have working on two 
symbolic icon theme versios: one lighter (based upon the original 
gnome-art libre set) an the darken one (the theme you can see on 
screenshot and download from previous mails).





Another thing we should consider is the license. The used symbolic
icon set is licensed under the Creative Commons Share Alike License 3
(CCBYSA3). It is probably [incompatible with the GPL] used in GIMP
and could also be incompatible with Linux distributor approvals.
IMHO either the icon set and theme are relicenced under the GPL or we
need something else if we want to integrate them into GIMP.
The Darklooks theme uses the GPLv2.


May be all the people involved on gnome art-libre set could be agree to 
change the license to GPL.


There are a AUTHORS file with all the e-mails and we can ask them.

I'm agree to change the license, so there are no problem in my concern. ;)




If this is clarified: As the 2.8 branch is for bugfixes I'm for
integration into the master branch so the theme will be in the 2.10
release and who likes can use it in 2.8 anyway (both use GTK+ 2).

JEsuSdA 8) thanks anyway for your work. You did a great job and now
that we're further there's surely less work to be done. Keep it up! :-)



Thank you, I do the best I can. ;)
It is a pleasure work with and for Gimp.



Kind regards,
Sven


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Re: [Gimp-developer] HELP with SYMBOLIC icon theme for Gimp.

[jEsuSdA 8)]

El 05/10/13 23:49, Simon Budig escribió:

jEsuSdA 8) (lis...@jesusda.com) wrote:

El 05/10/13 01:05, Simon Budig escribió:

jEsuSdA 8) (lis...@jesusda.com) wrote:

But solving A does not solve B and the old coloured icon still
appears. ¿?¿?¿? :(


ok, weird.



yes. :(


Dunno, I added the following section to the imagerc and it just worked:

 stock["gtk-select-color"] =
 {
 {"images/stock-colormap-24.png", *, *, "gtk-button" },
 {"images/stock-colormap-24.png", *, *, * }
 }



Not for me! :(
What kind of magic is this?! hehehe.


http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=60351


As you see, the "palette edit" icon still appears as the default theme.






Hum, no idea about that one. "gimp-zoom-follow-window" should be OK.


It does not work.


the path to the images erroneously contains the "/tools/" subdirectory.

Try this:

 stock["gimp-zoom-follow-window"] =
 {
   { "images/stock-zoom-follow-window-12.png", *, *, "gtk-button" },
   { "images/stock-zoom-follow-window-16.png", *, *, *}
 }




Great!
It was in front of me all this time and I can not see it!!
Thank you very, very much!




I hope this helps,
 Simon



Thank you Simon. Your help is appreciated. ;)
jEsuSdA 8)

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Re: [Gimp-developer] HELP with SYMBOLIC icon theme for Gimp.

[Sven Claussner]

Hi all,

I'm also for an additional dark theme. Both (dark and lighter theme)
can ease the artists work and be used to check the images appearance
on-the-fly.

I've already sat for hours on searching for a suitable dark theme,
integrating the Gnome art-libre icon set and after asking Jimmac at IRC
without ulterior motives one day before his G+ posting the things are
now slipped away from my hands. If it still matters - Andrea Cimitans 
Darklooks theme looks suitable. In Debian it's in the package

'gnome-themes-extras'.

I also think there's more to a professional, user-supporting theme
than assembling nice pieces out of a spontaneous idea. Ad hoc topics
like suitability for speedy work, using a theme engine that works on
all important platforms (Linux, Windows, OS X) and suitability for
High-DPI (Retina) displays come to my mind. Therefore I asked Peter for
some input on the topic. Perhaps we know more next week.

Another thing we should consider is the license. The used symbolic
icon set is licensed under the Creative Commons Share Alike License 3
(CCBYSA3). It is probably [incompatible with the GPL] used in GIMP
and could also be incompatible with Linux distributor approvals.
IMHO either the icon set and theme are relicenced under the GPL or we
need something else if we want to integrate them into GIMP.
The Darklooks theme uses the GPLv2.

If this is clarified: As the 2.8 branch is for bugfixes I'm for
integration into the master branch so the theme will be in the 2.10
release and who likes can use it in 2.8 anyway (both use GTK+ 2).

JEsuSdA 8) thanks anyway for your work. You did a great job and now
that we're further there's surely less work to be done. Keep it up! :-)

Kind regards,

Sven

[incompatible with the GPL]:
  http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_FSF_approved_software_licenses
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Re: [Gimp-developer] HELP with SYMBOLIC icon theme for Gimp.

[Jehan Pagès]

Hi,

On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Jehan Pagès  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Simon Budig  wrote:
>> jEsuSdA 8) (lis...@jesusda.com) wrote:
>>> Working on gtkrc I have solved F bug and improve the icons visualization.
>>
>> Thanks for your efforts, that indeed looks really great. I'm all for
>> including it in the main gimp source.

Damn I should re-read me before posting. Parentheses badly placed and
it lose any meaning! I meant:

I'm ok for it too. And I would be also very nice to have an included
dark theme as soon as possible (not waiting for 3.0). Because
everybody says it's so better for graphics work, blabla, but each time
I try one, it's broken somehow (some pieces of the UI stayed light,
missing icons, etc.). So if we could have an optional one in the main
tree, that we know fully works with GIMP, that would be awesome! :-)

Obviously it could just be the GTK+3 default dark theme that we would
have maybe tweaked to work with GIMP 2.10.

Thanks for the theming work anyway!

Jehan

>>> The bug D is almost done: eye icon has changed, bug when clicked,
>>> there are no "closed eye" showd, so, I need help to solve this.
>>
>> I am not sure if I understand the bug: the default theme does not
>> contain a "closed eye" icon.
>>
>> Do you see the default eye when the mouse button is pressed down? Then
>> apparently the stock icon definition for the ACTIVE widget state is
>> wrong for some reason.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Simon
>>
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Re: [Gimp-developer] HELP with SYMBOLIC icon theme for Gimp.

[Jehan Pagès]

Hi,

On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Simon Budig  wrote:
> jEsuSdA 8) (lis...@jesusda.com) wrote:
>> Working on gtkrc I have solved F bug and improve the icons visualization.
>
> Thanks for your efforts, that indeed looks really great. I'm all for
> including it in the main gimp source.

I'm ok for it too. And I would be also OK to have an included dark
theme as soon as possible (not waiting for 3.0). Because everybody
says it's so better for graphics work (some pieces of the UI stayed
light, missing icons, etc.), blabla, but each time I try one, it's
broken somehow. So if we could have an optional one in the main tree,
that we know fully works with GIMP, that would be awesome! :-)
Obviously it could just be the GTK+3 default dark theme that we would
have maybe tweaked to work with GIMP 2.10.

Thanks for the theming work anyway!

Jehan

>> The bug D is almost done: eye icon has changed, bug when clicked,
>> there are no "closed eye" showd, so, I need help to solve this.
>
> I am not sure if I understand the bug: the default theme does not
> contain a "closed eye" icon.
>
> Do you see the default eye when the mouse button is pressed down? Then
> apparently the stock icon definition for the ACTIVE widget state is
> wrong for some reason.
>
> Thanks,
> Simon
>
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Re: [Gimp-developer] HELP with SYMBOLIC icon theme for Gimp.

[Simon Budig]

jEsuSdA 8) (lis...@jesusda.com) wrote:
> El 05/10/13 01:05, Simon Budig escribió:
> >jEsuSdA 8) (lis...@jesusda.com) wrote:
> >>But solving A does not solve B and the old coloured icon still
> >>appears. ¿?¿?¿? :(
> >
> >ok, weird.
> 
> 
> yes. :(

Dunno, I added the following section to the imagerc and it just worked:

stock["gtk-select-color"] =
{
{"images/stock-colormap-24.png", *, *, "gtk-button" },
{"images/stock-colormap-24.png", *, *, * }
}

> >>>Hum, no idea about that one. "gimp-zoom-follow-window" should be OK.
> >>
> >>It does not work.

the path to the images erroneously contains the "/tools/" subdirectory.

Try this:

stock["gimp-zoom-follow-window"] =
{
  { "images/stock-zoom-follow-window-12.png", *, *, "gtk-button" },
  { "images/stock-zoom-follow-window-16.png", *, *, *}
}

I hope this helps,
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Re: [Gimp-developer] HELP with SYMBOLIC icon theme for Gimp.

[jEsuSdA 8)]

El 05/10/13 01:05, Simon Budig escribió:

jEsuSdA 8) (lis...@jesusda.com) wrote:

But solving A does not solve B and the old coloured icon still
appears. ¿?¿?¿? :(


ok, weird.



yes. :(




I have include the gtk-print to force CMYK color chooser to load the
symbolic icon instead the gtk one. ;)


Hmm, I don't understand what you mean there.


The Gimp color picker has 4 tabs -> gimp selector, cmyk color selector, 
triangle selector and indexed palette color selector.


The CMYK tab color selector uses the gtk-print icon. So, the appearance 
looks extrange, cause all the others tabs has symbolic icons and the 
CMYK uses the GTK one.


So i've added a print icon and now the CMYK tab has his own symbolic 
icon too. :D







Hum, no idea about that one. "gimp-zoom-follow-window" should be OK.


It does not work.


Could you do a preliminary release of your theme? That way I could try
it and have a shot at debugging it here.



Here you could download the theme.

http://clowd.jesusda.com/public.php?service=files&t=b6451abc5859d27efcb34ed6dda6cfb8


I hope do you like and maybe you could help me to solve the palette 
color icon and finish it. ;)




Bye,
 Simon



Thank you very much Simon. ;)

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Re: [Gimp-developer] HELP with SYMBOLIC icon theme for Gimp.

[Simon Budig]

jEsuSdA 8) (lis...@jesusda.com) wrote:
> >>B - Same of A. I think solving A maybe can solve this bug.
> >
> >Yeah.
> 
> But solving A does not solve B and the old coloured icon still
> appears. ¿?¿?¿? :(

ok, weird.

> I have include the gtk-print to force CMYK color chooser to load the
> symbolic icon instead the gtk one. ;)

Hmm, I don't understand what you mean there.

> >Hum, no idea about that one. "gimp-zoom-follow-window" should be OK.
> 
> It does not work.

Could you do a preliminary release of your theme? That way I could try
it and have a shot at debugging it here.

Bye,
Simon

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Re: [Gimp-developer] HELP with SYMBOLIC icon theme for Gimp.

[jEsuSdA 8)]

El 04/10/13 14:37, Simon Budig escribió:

jEsuSdA 8) (lis...@jesusda.com) wrote:

A - I have the symbolic icon, but I can find the widget name to load
the icon. Gimp allways loads this colorful icon and I can not change
it. ¿What name has it?


This is imported from the default gtk stock icons: "gtk-select-color"



Great!
I'ts works!





B - Same of A. I think solving A maybe can solve this bug.


Yeah.


But solving A does not solve B and the old coloured icon still appears. 
¿?¿?¿? :(








C - I want to change this icon too. By default, gimp loads the
desktop theme icon folder, but I whant to design and load a symbolic
one for layers groups button.


Same here this probably is "gtk-directory"



Works well now! ;)

I have include the gtk-print to force CMYK color chooser to load the 
symbolic icon instead the gtk one. ;)


I create a "deacoplate tab" icon too.






E -  Same as D bug but with the zoom-follow-window button.


Hum, no idea about that one. "gimp-zoom-follow-window" should be OK.



It does not work.






F - Same as D and E but related with default-colors and swap-colors.


This should be "gimp-default-colors" and "gimp-swap-colors", they get
used in the size GTK_ICON_SIZE_MENU.



Solved with the latest change on gtkrc. :D




I hope this helps.

Bye,
 Simon



Yeah! You help me very much!

Only two small bugs to finish. I think solving B (old gtk-color-select 
icon on tab) could be enought. The zoom-follow-window does not matter so 
much. :D



Any idea about B solution?


Here, a newest screenshot:

http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=60281


Thank you very mucho, Simon. ;)
jEsuSdA 8)


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Re: [Gimp-developer] HELP with SYMBOLIC icon theme for Gimp.

[Simon Budig]

jEsuSdA 8) (lis...@jesusda.com) wrote:
> A - I have the symbolic icon, but I can find the widget name to load
> the icon. Gimp allways loads this colorful icon and I can not change
> it. ¿What name has it?

This is imported from the default gtk stock icons: "gtk-select-color"

> B - Same of A. I think solving A maybe can solve this bug.

Yeah.

> C - I want to change this icon too. By default, gimp loads the
> desktop theme icon folder, but I whant to design and load a symbolic
> one for layers groups button.

Same here this probably is "gtk-directory"

> E -  Same as D bug but with the zoom-follow-window button.

Hum, no idea about that one. "gimp-zoom-follow-window" should be OK.
 
> F - Same as D and E but related with default-colors and swap-colors.

This should be "gimp-default-colors" and "gimp-swap-colors", they get
used in the size GTK_ICON_SIZE_MENU.

I hope this helps.

Bye,
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Re: [Gimp-developer] HELP with SYMBOLIC icon theme for Gimp.

[jEsuSdA 8)]

El 04/10/13 13:59, Simon Budig escribió:

The bug D is almost done: eye icon has changed, bug when clicked,
>there are no "closed eye" showd, so, I need help to solve this.

I am not sure if I understand the bug: the default theme does not
contain a "closed eye" icon.

Do you see the default eye when the mouse button is pressed down? Then
apparently the stock icon definition for the ACTIVE widget state is
wrong for some reason.



Thanks Simon,

I was wrong! As you say, there are no "closed eye" icon when layer is 
not visible.


I was confused with Inkscape layers where a "closed eye" are showed when 
visibility is off. :P


Sorry!! :D


One bug less. ¿Some idea about other ones?




Thanks,
 Simon


Thank you very much. ;)
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Re: [Gimp-developer] HELP with SYMBOLIC icon theme for Gimp.

[Simon Budig]

jEsuSdA 8) (lis...@jesusda.com) wrote:
> Working on gtkrc I have solved F bug and improve the icons visualization.

Thanks for your efforts, that indeed looks really great. I'm all for
including it in the main gimp source.

> The bug D is almost done: eye icon has changed, bug when clicked,
> there are no "closed eye" showd, so, I need help to solve this.

I am not sure if I understand the bug: the default theme does not
contain a "closed eye" icon.

Do you see the default eye when the mouse button is pressed down? Then
apparently the stock icon definition for the ACTIVE widget state is
wrong for some reason.

Thanks,
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Re: [Gimp-developer] HELP with SYMBOLIC icon theme for Gimp.

[jEsuSdA 8)]

Here you can find the bugs :

http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=60270


A - I have the symbolic icon, but I can find the widget name to load the
icon. Gimp allways loads this colorful icon and I can not change it.
¿What name has it?

There are no reference in libgimpwidgets documentation about this icon.


B - Same of A. I think solving A maybe can solve this bug.

C - I want to change this icon too. By default, gimp loads the desktop
theme icon folder, but I whant to design and load a symbolic one for
layers groups button.

D - The "eye" or "visibility" icon is designed and loaded on imagerc with:

 stock["gimp-visible"] =
 {
 {"images/stock-eye-12.png", *, *, "gtk-button" },
 {"images/stock-eye-16.png", *, *, "gtk-button" },
 {"images/stock-eye-20.png", *, *, "gtk-button" },
 {"images/stock-eye-24.png", *, *, * }
 }

But Gimp loads the default one instead the symbolic. ¿It has another
name?, ¿How can I change it?


E -  Same as D bug but with the zoom-follow-window button.

The code in imagerc is this:

stock["gimp-zoom-follow-window"] =
 {
   { "images/tools/stock-zoom-follow-window-12.png", *, *,
"gtk-button" },
   { "images/tools/stock-zoom-follow-window-16.png", *, *,
*}
 }

But Gimp loads the default one.



F - Same as D and E but related with default-colors and swap-colors.







Hi again!

Working on gtkrc I have solved F bug and improve the icons visualization.

Now, looks like that:

http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=60272


The bug D is almost done: eye icon has changed, bug when clicked, there 
are no "closed eye" showd, so, I need help to solve this.



Thanks.
jEsuSdA 8)




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[Gimp-developer] HELP with SYMBOLIC icon theme for Gimp.

[jEsuSdA 8)]

Hi!

Few days ago, I saw the Alexandre Prokoudine post on Google+ about Gimp 
and Symbolic icon theme:


https://plus.google.com/104550365344856778857/posts/LP1pWr7YEgA


He said he downloaded the gimp source code and overwrite the main icons, 
then he compiled.
This procedure is not very easy to do for many users, and these icons 
does not looks very well with some light window colors,  so I started to 
create a separate and easy-to-install symbolic theme for Gimp.


I downloaded the sources from gnome-master git-hub and I started to work 
on this idea.


Some days later, I'm near to finish this theme:

http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=60269

I've working on new icons, improve some others, changing color to use 
the dark-gray used in Inkscape symbolic icon theme (I've working too and 
finished a complete theme for Inkscape yet), etc.


But, there are some bugs I want to solve, and I need your help.

I've been read the gimp documentation ( libgimpwidgets-GimpStock.htm ) 
to edit the imagerc file and load all the icons, but some ones does not 
load and I can not find the correct   '' stock["NAME"] = ''  entry.



So, please, if you can help me, I'll be grateful:


Here you can find the bugs :

http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=60270


A - I have the symbolic icon, but I can find the widget name to load the 
icon. Gimp allways loads this colorful icon and I can not change it. 
¿What name has it?


There are no reference in libgimpwidgets documentation about this icon.


B - Same of A. I think solving A maybe can solve this bug.

C - I want to change this icon too. By default, gimp loads the desktop 
theme icon folder, but I whant to design and load a symbolic one for 
layers groups button.


D - The "eye" or "visibility" icon is designed and loaded on imagerc with:

stock["gimp-visible"] =
{
{"images/stock-eye-12.png", *, *, "gtk-button" },
{"images/stock-eye-16.png", *, *, "gtk-button" },
{"images/stock-eye-20.png", *, *, "gtk-button" },
{"images/stock-eye-24.png", *, *, * }
}

But Gimp loads the default one instead the symbolic. ¿It has another 
name?, ¿How can I change it?



E -  Same as D bug but with the zoom-follow-window button.

The code in imagerc is this:

stock["gimp-zoom-follow-window"] =
{
  { "images/tools/stock-zoom-follow-window-12.png", *, *, 
"gtk-button" },
  { "images/tools/stock-zoom-follow-window-16.png", *, *, 
*}

}

But Gimp loads the default one.



F - Same as D and E but related with default-colors and swap-colors.





If anyone wants the icon theme, I will publish it when finish the job. 
Maybe you consider to distribute it with next Gimp release.  ;)



Thanks!
jEsuSdA 8)
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Re: [Gimp-developer] Help!!!

[Michael Schumacher]

Am 23.06.2013 20:00, schrieb Alexandra Dotcheva:


Hi there. I downloaded GIMP 2.8 today and it has been quite a
nightmare so far. For one thing, I do not get the three components
when I open the software. I only get the middle largest segment, not
the tools and not the historic component. I am reading through the
manual and cannot apply anything as it has no instruction how to get
the three components in place. Any help will be greatly appreciated,
thank you.


The default windows layout is described in 
http://docs.gimp.org/2.8/en/gimp-concepts-main-windows.html, with a link 
to the dock & dialogs setup.


What did you find in the manual, and why was it not helpful?


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Re: [Gimp-developer] Help!!!

[Alexandre Prokoudine]

On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 10:00 PM, Alexandra Dotcheva wrote:
> Hi there. I downloaded GIMP 2.8 today and it has been quite a nightmare so 
> far. For one thing, I do not get the three components when I open the 
> software. I only get the middle largest segment, not the tools and not the 
> historic component. I am reading through the manual and cannot apply anything 
> as it has no instruction how to get the three components in place. Any help 
> will be greatly appreciated, thank you.

Hi Alexandra,

Perhaps you are looking for 'Windows > Show Toolbox' menu item, as
well as for a variety of 'Windows > Dockable Dialogs > [everything you
need]'? :)

Alexandre Prokoudine
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[Gimp-developer] Help!!!

[Alexandra Dotcheva]

Hi there. I downloaded GIMP 2.8 today and it has been quite a nightmare so far. 
For one thing, I do not get the three components when I open the software. I 
only get the middle largest segment, not the tools and not the historic 
component. I am reading through the manual and cannot apply anything as it has 
no instruction how to get the three components in place. Any help will be 
greatly appreciated, thank you. 
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Re: [Gimp-developer] Help with a Gimp 2.10 question

[Guillermo Espertino (Gez)]

El 18/12/12 14:28, Paka escribió:

* jEsuSdA 8)  [12-18-12 11:39]:


Hi Gez!

Great opinion and nice data. As I suppose, maybe Photivo will be the chosed.
Darktable will be fine, but there are no Windows version at the moment.



Being crippled by windows is not the end.  You can always install a linux
distro into a virtualbox (all free apps) and run photivo/darktable there.



+1
Pascal de Bruijn used to compile a custom Ubuntu LiveCD with bleeding 
edge Darktable. I'm not sure if he still does, and I don't know is they 
also include GIMP, Photivo or any other photo processing/retouching 
application.


Fedora has a custom "design spin" with graphics software and there are 
other distros with liveCDs with plenty of graphics packages.


I'd avoid windows. Although it's a system with a huge userbase (this 
also applies to free software for graphics), the performance and DE 
experience is generally inferior than gnu/linux's.


Apart from that, most of the windows installs you'll find are 32 bit, 
which is likely to be insufficient for high resolution image processing.


Gez.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Help with a Gimp 2.10 question

[Paka]

* jEsuSdA 8)  [12-18-12 11:39]:
> 
> Hi Gez!
> 
> Great opinion and nice data. As I suppose, maybe Photivo will be the chosed.
> Darktable will be fine, but there are no Windows version at the moment.
> 

Being crippled by windows is not the end.  You can always install a linux
distro into a virtualbox (all free apps) and run photivo/darktable there.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Help with a Gimp 2.10 question

[jEsuSdA 8)]

El 18/12/12 17:15, Guillermo Espertino (Gez) escribió:

El 18/12/12 08:46, jEsuSdA 8) escribió:

Hi Jesusda! :)


Hi Gez!

Great opinion and nice data. As I suppose, maybe Photivo will be the 
chosed. Darktable will be fine, but there are no Windows version at the 
moment.





(This is just my personal opinion)

- I wouldn't count on having GIMP 2.10 by April 2013. There's still a
lot of work to be done and april is really close.

- I would advise you strongly against using a development version for a
demonstration (except, of course, you're in a Libre Graphics Meeting).
Any bug can and will be perceived as a weakness of the program. Trying
to seduce people who don't know GIMP with an unstable version of GIMP is
really a bad idea. Stick with 2.8.

- A mixed workflow with other applications and GIMP could be acceptable.
If you process RAW and/or HDR images using Darktable in high bit depth
to take the most of the source material and export to tiff files for
final touches in GIMP, quality should be fine if you don't have to go
berserk with the postprocessing.
High bit depth editing is critical when you have to apply extreme
processing and when layer and brush strokes accumulation is whether too
extreme or too subtle.
Generally you can get away with 8 bpc if you don't have to stretch too
much, but the job you're describing seems tricky, so be careful.

- Finally, I would think twice about going ahead with the course if the
software we have is not ready for the task.
If editing in high bit precision is mandatory, then GIMP (at least
today) isn't suited for the task.
I know it sounds like missing a nice oportunity, but maybe it's better
to postpone than to screw a nice chance to reach a specialized audience.
If you show GIMP and the professionals there conclude that it can't be
used for their job, that's something extremely difficult to revert.

Anyway, you can turn this "missed oportunity" into a useful event. You
can meet with them to evaluate if a mixed workflow is viable. There you
can tell them that high bit precision is being implemented and will be
available in the next version. You can show them the current stable, you
can tease them with the new stuff coming, but I wouldn't go there to
"teach" them how to do the job with free software unless I'm absolutely
sure that it can be done with the expected quality.


We had to wait years literally to see high bit depth happening in GIMP.
It's finally happening, but we have to wait a little :-)




I would desire to use Gimp. Maybe if 2.9 will be stable enough in 
september 2013 could be used, but, as you says, using an unstable 
edition could be worse than use other software.


I will study several options and I will tell us. ;)



Gez.


Thank you very much. ;)
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Re: [Gimp-developer] Help with a Gimp 2.10 question

[Guillermo Espertino (Gez)]

El 18/12/12 08:46, jEsuSdA 8) escribió:


It will be great to use Gimp, cause the course is a great opportunity to
popularize its use, but if 2.10 Gimp version will be released after
april, I think I must have to use other software like Photivo, Darktable
or similar who can work with more bit per channel.


Hi Jesusda! :)

(This is just my personal opinion)

- I wouldn't count on having GIMP 2.10 by April 2013. There's still a 
lot of work to be done and april is really close.


- I would advise you strongly against using a development version for a 
demonstration (except, of course, you're in a Libre Graphics Meeting). 
Any bug can and will be perceived as a weakness of the program. Trying 
to seduce people who don't know GIMP with an unstable version of GIMP is 
really a bad idea. Stick with 2.8.


- A mixed workflow with other applications and GIMP could be acceptable. 
If you process RAW and/or HDR images using Darktable in high bit depth 
to take the most of the source material and export to tiff files for 
final touches in GIMP, quality should be fine if you don't have to go 
berserk with the postprocessing.
High bit depth editing is critical when you have to apply extreme 
processing and when layer and brush strokes accumulation is whether too 
extreme or too subtle.
Generally you can get away with 8 bpc if you don't have to stretch too 
much, but the job you're describing seems tricky, so be careful.


- Finally, I would think twice about going ahead with the course if the 
software we have is not ready for the task.
If editing in high bit precision is mandatory, then GIMP (at least 
today) isn't suited for the task.
I know it sounds like missing a nice oportunity, but maybe it's better 
to postpone than to screw a nice chance to reach a specialized audience.
If you show GIMP and the professionals there conclude that it can't be 
used for their job, that's something extremely difficult to revert.


Anyway, you can turn this "missed oportunity" into a useful event. You 
can meet with them to evaluate if a mixed workflow is viable. There you 
can tell them that high bit precision is being implemented and will be 
available in the next version. You can show them the current stable, you 
can tease them with the new stuff coming, but I wouldn't go there to 
"teach" them how to do the job with free software unless I'm absolutely 
sure that it can be done with the expected quality.



We had to wait years literally to see high bit depth happening in GIMP. 
It's finally happening, but we have to wait a little :-)


Gez.
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Re: [Gimp-developer] Help with a Gimp 2.10 question

[Matthew Miller]

On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 04:38:01PM +0100, jEsuSdA 8) wrote:
> > "Color depth" is the normal term in English.
> Thank You Matthew... my english is so terrifying, hahaha. ;)

Well, it's better than my Spanish by a long shot!

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Help with a Gimp 2.10 question

[jEsuSdA 8)]

El 18/12/12 14:57, Matthew Miller escribió:
>
> "Color depth" is the normal term in English.
>

Thank You Matthew... my english is so terrifying, hahaha. ;)


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Re: [Gimp-developer] Help with a Gimp 2.10 question

[Matthew Miller]

On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 02:04:09PM +0100, jEsuSdA 8) wrote:
> >>2.9 will brings the new 16bit, 32bit, etc. color modes?
> >Yes, 2.9, whenever it's out, will bring 16/32 float/integer modes.
> Thank you, Alex. ;)
> I think I have done a very bad translation. In spanish we should
> call it "profundidad de color", but "color deep" does not looks like
> so well, so I used "color modes". I will take your "precision level"
> suggestion. ;)

"Color depth" is the normal term in English.


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Re: [Gimp-developer] Help with a Gimp 2.10 question

[jEsuSdA 8)]

El 18/12/12 13:27, Alexandre Prokoudine escribió:

On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 4:09 PM, jEsuSdA 8) wrote:


Personally, and this is just a speculation, I think we'll be lucky if
we'll have 2.9.0 by April 2013.


2.9 will brings the new 16bit, 32bit, etc. color modes?


Yes, 2.9, whenever it's out, will bring 16/32 float/integer modes.


Thank you, Alex. ;)


 I'd

rather call it precision level, though :) People usually mean a
different thing when they say "color mode" (e.g. native work in LAB
color space).


I think I have done a very bad translation. In spanish we should call it 
"profundidad de color", but "color deep" does not looks like so well, so 
I used "color modes". I will take your "precision level" suggestion. ;)


Salu2 de jEsuSdA 8)
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Re: [Gimp-developer] Help with a Gimp 2.10 question

[Alexandre Prokoudine]

On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 4:09 PM, jEsuSdA 8) wrote:

>> Personally, and this is just a speculation, I think we'll be lucky if
>> we'll have 2.9.0 by April 2013.
>
> 2.9 will brings the new 16bit, 32bit, etc. color modes?

Yes, 2.9, whenever it's out, will bring 16/32 float/integer modes. I'd
rather call it precision level, though :) People usually mean a
different thing when they say "color mode" (e.g. native work in LAB
color space).

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Help with a Gimp 2.10 question

[jEsuSdA 8)]

El 18/12/12 12:53, Alexandre Prokoudine escribió:

On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 3:46 PM, jEsuSdA 8) wrote:

Personally, and this is just a speculation, I think we'll be lucky if
we'll have 2.9.0 by April 2013.



2.9 will brings the new 16bit, 32bit, etc. color modes?




Alexandre Prokoudine



Thanks Alex! ;)
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Re: [Gimp-developer] Help with a Gimp 2.10 question

[Alexandre Prokoudine]

On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 3:46 PM, jEsuSdA 8) wrote:

> The question is ¿When it is planned to be released the 2.10 Gimp version?

At this point in time any estimation of 210 release involving dates
(including even years) would be a deliberate lie :)

The last thing I heard from mitch is that GEGL transition is only ca.
20% done. This is the single most important factor for a new stable
release.

> The course will starts over september 2013, but the agenda must be closed
> over april 2013, so if I want to use Gimp I need the 16bit channels feature
> before april.

Personally, and this is just a speculation, I think we'll be lucky if
we'll have 2.9.0 by April 2013.

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[Gimp-developer] Help with a Gimp 2.10 question

[jEsuSdA 8)]

Hello!

I have a question I hope you could answer me.

Recently a nice proyect have been proposed to me. I will participate as 
a teacher in a special course a spanish University will offer next year. 
The course is tittled "Management Specialist  of photographic funds" and 
it will be instruct about old photograhs management and treatment. I 
will be in charge of the "graphical restoring" part of the course, and I 
will use Gimp to teach students.


The thing is the course it will be higly professional and it will be 
nice to use 16bit chanels colors to work with the scanned photos. The 
photos will be retouched belongs a real photographic found and will be 
digitalized and included in the official public database, so a great 
accuracy is mandatory.


I know the next Gimp version will brings us a great 16bit and some more 
color modes. It will be great that the new version will be out before 
the course starts.


The question is ¿When it is planned to be released the 2.10 Gimp version?

The course will starts over september 2013, but the agenda must be 
closed over april 2013, so if I want to use Gimp I need the 16bit 
channels feature before april.


It will be great to use Gimp, cause the course is a great opportunity to 
popularize its use, but if 2.10 Gimp version will be released after 
april, I think I must have to use other software like Photivo, Darktable 
or similar who can work with more bit per channel.


What do you think? It will be possible to use Gimp in the course? Will 
2.10 be published at time?

Any information and suggestion will be appreciated. ;)

Thank you and excuse my poor english. ;)
jEsuSdA 8)


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Re: [Gimp-developer] Help

[Alexandre Prokoudine]

On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 6:14 AM, Tobla Howell wrote:
> Today I opened my computer only to see all of my GYMP
> photos rewritten by PAINT...how can I get them back???

I'm afraid you will have to elaborate on that. What exactly do you
mean with "rewritten by Paint"? Are you by any chance referring to
which application opens images by default?

P.S. This is a mailing list for developers. Users' support is in the
gimp-users@ list. Not a terrible mistake, but just so you know ;)

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[Gimp-developer] Help

[Tobla Howell]

Today I opened my computer only to see all of my GYMP photos rewritten by
PAINT...how can I get them back???
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[Gimp-developer] Help to organize a short course on GIMP

[Chintan Mandal]

Hello,
Our institute, Motilal Nehru National Institute of Technology, Allahabad,
India is interested to organize a short time programme to the introduction
of GIMP.
The program could contain a short introduction to GIMP, further development
in GIMP and using their headers and libraries in working in research and
academics.
I would like a contact person in India who could help us to organize the
above program in our institute.

Thanking you,
Chintan Kumar Mandal,
Research Scholar,
Department of Computer Science and Engineering,
Motilal Nehru National Institute of Technology,
Allahabad, India.
www.mnnit.ac.in
Mob: +919651644489
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Re: [Gimp-developer] help for understanding ink model in gimp

[Alexandre Prokoudine]

On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 8:29 PM,  Moises wrote:
> Dear colleagues,
> It's Moises, an active gimp user for long time ago. I'm a student and I'm
> working on ink model.
> Since ink gimp model is under GPL licence, I would like to take advantage
> and integrate it in my academic research.
> I wonder if you could help me to understand the ink model tool code. I
> downloaded the ink application code written in c, but I needed some guide
> (or something like that) in order to understand the tool and do some
> contribution for your model.
> I need to translate into Matlab the ink toolbox, because I'm keen on working
> on that. Sorry, but I am not a computer engineering and I find hard this
> task..

Maybe you could get the ball rolling by asking some questions about
particular parts of code? As of now, it's not really clear what is it
exactly that you have a problem with :)

Also, it's way better to discuss this on IRC (just keep in mind that
most developers are located in Europe).

http://www.gimp.org/irc.html

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[Gimp-developer] help for understanding ink model in gimp

[moisdc]

Dear colleagues,
It's Moises, an active gimp user for long time ago. I'm a student and I'm
working on ink model.
Since ink gimp model is under GPL licence, I would like to take advantage
and integrate it in my academic research.
I wonder if you could help me to understand the ink model tool code. I
downloaded the ink application code written in c, but I needed some guide
(or something like that) in order to understand the tool and do some
contribution for your model.
I need to translate into Matlab the ink toolbox, because I'm keen on
working on that. Sorry, but I am not a computer engineering and I find hard
this task..
Best wishes!
- Moises

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Re: [Gimp-developer] help on images with higher precision

[Alexandre Prokoudine]

On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 7:44 PM, jmt wrote:

> Should I revert to gimp2.8 ?

You shouldn't be using 2.9 for production at this point of time for sure :)

Things break easily.

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[Gimp-developer] help on images with higher precision

[jmt]

Dear list,

I have been using gimp for years, and the only feature I miss is the ability 
to handle high precision (more than 8bit per color) images, because most of my 
images are black and white : the trouble being with 8bit per color that 
feathering selections and modifying curves in selections creates step-like 
zones that are sometimes visible.

I tried the new 2.9 (from yesterday's git) ; unfortunately gimp crashes when :
- opening an image ; then
- defining its precision to 16 bit ; then
- selecting a zone (with the free select tool) ; then
- feathering the selection (with a radius of 300) ; then
- calling the curves tool crashes gimp.

I then tried to do the same sequence but staying on 8bit ; gimp crashes on the 
same step.

Should I revert to gimp2.8 ?

jmt


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Re: [Gimp-developer] Help :(

[SorinN]

..or press "Control + B" and the Toolbox will come
..press Tab and the right floating boxes will come

OR

you can add manually those boxes to life by using Windows >> Dockable
Dialogs ..and then choose the toolbox you need
in few steps you can bring back all missing boxes


2012/7/2 Marco Ciampa :
> On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 11:55:03AM -0500, Caitlin Muela wrote:
>> Gimp Developer(s),
>>
>> My friend is having some problems with Gimp. When she opens it, the
>> Tool features that are usually located on the right (Layers, Paths,
>> Undo, ect.)  are missing. We’ve tried closing and opening Gimp,
>> Looking at the Tool Bar at the top, and shutting down the computer, but
>> nothing seems to work. The version she has is Gimp 2. I hope this was
>> enough information needed to clarify the question. How can I help her
>> get that Feature to show?
>
> Try to press the "Tab" key and see what happens...
>
>
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Re: [Gimp-developer] Help :(

[Marco Ciampa]

On Sun, Jul 01, 2012 at 11:55:03AM -0500, Caitlin Muela wrote:
> Gimp Developer(s),
> 
> My friend is having some problems with Gimp. When she opens it, the
> Tool features that are usually located on the right (Layers, Paths,
> Undo, ect.)  are missing. We’ve tried closing and opening Gimp,
> Looking at the Tool Bar at the top, and shutting down the computer, but
> nothing seems to work. The version she has is Gimp 2. I hope this was
> enough information needed to clarify the question. How can I help her
> get that Feature to show?

Try to press the "Tab" key and see what happens...


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Re: [Gimp-developer] Help :(

[Guillermo Espertino (Gez)]

El 02/07/12 12:21, Alexandre Prokoudine escribió:

On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 8:55 PM, Caitlin Muela  wrote:

Gimp Developer(s),

My friend is having some problems with Gimp. When she opens it, the Tool
features that are usually located on the right (Layers, Paths, Undo, ect.)
are missing. We’ve tried closing and opening Gimp, Looking at the Tool Bar
at the top, and shutting down the computer, but nothing seems to work. The
version she has is Gimp 2. I hope this was enough information needed to
clarify the question. How can I help her get that Feature to show?

"GIMP 2" is too generic. Is it GIMP 2.6 or GIMP 2.8?

The "Windows>  Dockable Dialogs" submenu has all the floating dialogs
you probably need.



And if she's using GIMP 2.8 with the single window mode on, probably 
it's a good idea to temporarily disable it (under the "windows" menu), 
move the toolbar to the left, re-open the closed dockable and when 
everything is in place activate the single window mode again.


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Re: [Gimp-developer] Help :(

[Alexandre Prokoudine]

On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 8:55 PM, Caitlin Muela  wrote:
> Gimp Developer(s),
>
> My friend is having some problems with Gimp. When she opens it, the Tool
> features that are usually located on the right (Layers, Paths, Undo, ect.)
> are missing. We’ve tried closing and opening Gimp, Looking at the Tool Bar
> at the top, and shutting down the computer, but nothing seems to work. The
> version she has is Gimp 2. I hope this was enough information needed to
> clarify the question. How can I help her get that Feature to show?

"GIMP 2" is too generic. Is it GIMP 2.6 or GIMP 2.8?

The "Windows > Dockable Dialogs" submenu has all the floating dialogs
you probably need.

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[Gimp-developer] Help :(

[Caitlin Muela]

Gimp Developer(s),

My friend is having some problems with Gimp. When she opens it, the Tool 
features that are usually located on the right (Layers, Paths, Undo, ect.)  are 
missing. We’ve tried closing and opening Gimp, Looking at the Tool Bar at the 
top, and shutting down the computer, but nothing seems to work. The version she 
has is Gimp 2. I hope this was enough information needed to clarify the 
question. How can I help her get that Feature to show?

Sincerely,
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[Gimp-developer] Help make GIMP operations better (GSoC 2012)

[Mukund Sivaraman]

Hi all

Just like last year, one of the tasks that we want to offer students in
this year's GSoC is porting GIMP image processing code to GEGL. This is
a very interesting task and if you are a student with experience in C
programming and an interest in computer graphics, be sure to consider
it.

GIMP is being modified to use a new image processing library called
GEGL. This will bring much requested features to GIMP such as support
for more precision in image manipulation operations, and better support
for different color formats. For this, we have to rewrite a lot of the
image processing code in GIMP and move it to GEGL. The resulting code
will do more or less the same things, but will work with a different
data format, and inside a different framework (GEGL).

There are many such operations (in the main application and in
plug-ins), each doing something entirely different from another.
Porting each operation is a relatively simple and straightforward task,
but it requires a good command over the C language and ability to
review and understand unelegant code.

As this is a large task, it could be sub-divided into smaller tasks
(groups of operations) to be taken up by more than one student.

  * We want to see a demonstration of the student's ability to review C
code in the context of the GIMP plug-ins.

  * The student should be able to work with computer graphics code.
Most of the code is raster graphics related with a bit of
computational geometry.

  * As part of this task, much of the existing code may have to be
entirely rewritten. But this could be smaller and more elegant in
many cases than the existing GIMP code, as GEGL ops are written
using floating point in a well-defined colorspace.

  * The student's work will include coding, writing testcases, profiling
and optimizing performance, and checking for bugs.

  * We are looking for students who are committed to finish their work
and communicate eagerly with their mentor. We will assist as much as
we can. Though the student is expected to have a background in C
programming, we will teach the student how to use various
programming tools if necessary.

The student is asked to subscribe to the gimp-developer mailing list and
send the following:

 1. Your background as it applies to this task (please don't send any
personal information)

 2. A code review and algorithm description of some GIMP plug-ins (e.g.,
cubism, fractal trace, plasma)

 3. A code review and algorithm description of the following GEGL op:
gaussian-blur

 4. Sample implementation of a new GEGL op. This could be anything of
your choice, even Hello World. Please send it as a patch against the
GEGL master branch.

If you need any help with any of these tasks, please ask on the
gimp-developer mailing list, or by chatting in the #gimp IRC channel on
irc.gnome.org.

Mukund


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