[Gimp-docs] Doc update

[Julien Hardelin]

https://docs.gimp.org/2.10/en/ has been updated with the existing 
gitlab. Thank you.


But when I push new changes to gitlab, they still don't appear in the 
web page.


Cron issue ?

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[Gimp-docs] Doc update

[Julien Hardelin]

https://docs.gimp.org/2.10/en/ has not been updated since 3 monthes.

It was to be updated nightly. What happens?

That's not encouraging for doc developper, translators and users.

Julien

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Re: [Gimp-docs] How to translate english "whats new" to Korean

[Julien Hardelin]

GIMP po files are managed there: https://l10n.gnome.org/teams/ko/

Please contact the  ko team coordinator.

Le 30/03/2020 à 11:37, Marco Ciampa via gimp-docs-list a écrit :

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 05:31:18PM +0900, 세벌 wrote:

Hello. I'm Korean GIMP user.
I want translate "What's New" English document
( https://docs.gimp.org/2.10/en/gimp-introduction-whats-new.html )
to korean document ( 
https://docs.gimp.org/2.10/ko/gimp-introduction-whats-new.html )

What process to do ?

You mean when the site will be updated? I asked for years if it was
possible to create a simple timestamp to check the site update time/date
to see the results of a specific commit ... just be patient and your
commits will show up but unfortunately currently we cannot know exactly
when and if ...


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[Gimp-docs] Make validate-en problem

[Julien Hardelin]

Hi,

"make validate-en" does not accept  in , 
"does not follow the DTD".


Yet, ""make html-en" and "git push" accept it.

That's a bug in make validate.

https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gimp-help/-/blob/master/src/appendix/history-2.10.xml

Julien

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[Gimp-docs] key-reference

[Julien Hardelin]

Hi,

What is "quickreference/gimp-keys.xml" useful for?

(We have "src/key-reference.xml" and html can be built normally after 
deleting "gimp-keys.xml").


Julien

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[Gimp-docs] Linking to procedure id doesn't work

[Julien Hardelin]

Hi,
I am writing doc for Image/Metadata.
I created links to plug-in-metadata-editor and  plug-in-metadata-viewer 
and got "Unknown ID" error message:

*** Validating XML (en) ... 
-:53888: element link: validity error : IDREF attribute linkend
references an 
unknown ID "plug-in-metadata-editor"
-:53882: element xref: validity error : IDREF attribute linkend
references an 
unknown ID "plug-in-metadata-viewer"

Here are XML code samples:

*** metadata.xml:


  The Metadata Submenu
  
GIMP uses two plug-ins:

  

  
  Metadata
Viewer.

  
  

  Metadata
Editor.

  

  


---
*** metadata-viewer.xml:


  Metadata Viewer

 
  
Metadata
Metadata Viewer
  


--
*** metadata-editor.xml:


  Metadata Viewer

 
  
Metadata
Metadata Editor
  



How to fix this error?

Julien
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Re: [Gimp-docs] Access to gitlab

[Julien Hardelin]

https://wiki.gnome.org/AccountsTeam/NewAccounts    ?

Julien

Le 13/10/2019 à 23:16, Kolbjørn Stuestøl a écrit :
I think I will have some spare time in a month or two. Today I 
therefore planned brushing up my knowledge about git, but failed to 
log in to gitlab.


Running "git clone g...@gitlab.gnome.org:GNOME/gimp-help.git" gave this 
error message:
"The authenticity of host 'gitlab.gnome.org (209.132.180.181)' can't 
be established.
ECDSA key fingerprint is 
SHA256:go/hN+LitpIzHaSGRlpg7AbZn3nuziiKA7OXbMURiW4.

Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)?"
I answered "Yes" to give it a try and, except for the message "Failed 
to add the host to the list of known hosts 
(/home/[user]/.ssh/known_hosts) ", all worked as expected but of 
course I was not able to commit my translations.


I think git is not recognizing my local key, located in 
/home/[user]/.ssh/ previously used in the git.gnome days.
How do I get a new key or a new account or where do I have to put the 
key?


I do have a valid account on 
"https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gimp-help; if that matter.

Kolbjørn


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Re: [Gimp-docs] docs.gimp.org - restarted automated builds for the 2.10 (master) branch and the web site itself

[Julien Hardelin]

msgfmt -c --stat noise.po (ro file): no problem. What is the error about 
this file?


Is the problem I present related to this file?

More simply: html display of docs.gimp.org/2.10 is not updated : I 
pushed several fr po files translated: they don't appear in 
docs.gimp.org/2.10/fr/


Le 07/09/2019 à 17:46, Michael Schumacher a écrit :


On 9/7/19 7:49 AM, Julien Hardelin wrote:

Hi

Is gimp-help master actually updated automatically? I don't see any
change in

https://docs.gimp.org/2.10/en/ and other language versions

after pushing new translations, in spite of
'Starting documentation build at: Sat Sep  7 04:23:01 GMT 2019' in
https://docs.gimp.org/2.10/build.log

That log file contains the error:

error: Untracked working tree file 'po/ro/filters/noise.po' would be
overwritten by merge.  Aborting


I assume this has been fixed?


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Re: [Gimp-docs] docs.gimp.org - restarted automated builds for the 2.10 (master) branch and the web site itself

[Julien Hardelin]

Hi

Is gimp-help master actually updated automatically? I don't see any 
change in


https://docs.gimp.org/2.10/en/ and other language versions

after pushing new translations, in spite of
'Starting documentation build at: Sat Sep  7 04:23:01 GMT 2019' in
https://docs.gimp.org/2.10/build.log
 




Le 22/06/2019 à 17:21, Michael Schumacher a écrit :

Hi,

I had a look at the automated builds on docs.gimp.org recently and found
that the build for 2.10 content - that is https://docs.gimp.org/2.10/en/
and the other language versions - had been blocked by a git checkout
problem for some time.

This has been corrected and the build is restarted, so the current
content from the gimp-help master branch should be present now.

I've reschedules the builds to happen at at 00:23, 08:23 and 16:23 GMT
every day. They write a short log file to
https://docs.gimp.org/2.10/build.log


I've also extended the build to the actual website contents - that is
the index.html and some other pages.

This build runs every 10 minutes and rebuilds only if there are changes
present. Its log file is at https://docs.gimp.org/web-build.log

https://docs.gimp.org will now properly direct visitors to the 2.10
online help instead of the 2.8 version, and 2.10 does have up-to-date
content.


P.S. I've also run make dist manually and got a tarball out of this -
it's at https://download.gimp.org/pub/gimp/help/gimp-help-2.10.0.tar.bz2

Any feedback to whether this tarball is suitable for distro and/or
installer packages would be helpful.


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Re: [Gimp-docs] Color to alpha

[Julien Hardelin]

Thank you Ell for your explanations. I will study them.

Julien

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[Gimp-docs] Color to alpha

[Julien Hardelin]

Hi,

I am trying to update Color to alpha, but I don't understand 
transparency and opacity thresholds.


Pop-up helps mention a limit that I suppose to be a transparency limit. 
"below" and "above" seem to me inverted.


I don't see how to describe these options.

Please give me explanations with, as much as possible, examples.

Julien

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Re: [Gimp-docs] style

[Julien Hardelin]

Yes, I agree.

Julien

Le 27/05/2019 à 07:55, Marco Ciampa via gimp-docs-list a écrit :

Here:

src/concepts/docks.xml:402(para)
msgid ""
"Default option: adapts style according to the available place in the group"
"(text style uses much place and is not always possible."

I would have written space instead of place...



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Re: [Gimp-docs] toolbox_selection.master

[Julien Hardelin]

Thank you for feedback. Will be fixed in next commit.

Julien

Le 07/05/2019 à 15:50, ΔΗΜΗΤΡΗΣ Σ via gimp-docs-list a écrit :

High,
in toolbox_selection.master there is
a phrase
Draw background: to draw what will be foreground.
which is probably wrong about "foreground".
Bye

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Re: [Gimp-docs] gimp docs compiling in a language different from en ...

[Julien Hardelin]

Usually, it's 
Hi people,
have you got any idea?

$make validate-en

all ok

$make validate-it
$make validate-de
$make validate-fr


114 translated messages.
*** Validating XML (it) ...
-:53072: element include: validity error : No declaration for attribute href of 
element include
 
 ^
-:53072: element include: validity error : No declaration for element include
 
   ^
-:53073: element para: validity error : Element include is not declared in para 
list of possible children
   
  ^

no matter which language you choose... it will fail...


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[Gimp-docs] Noise Reduction filter

[Julien Hardelin]

Hi,

I cannot find explanations for the Noise Reduction filter (a widespread 
name).


It has only one option, Strength, and looks efficient, especially for 
salt-and-pepper noise, preserving edges and details.


Which blur method does it use?

Julien

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Re: [Gimp-docs] last commit breaks compilation

[Julien Hardelin]

Sorry,

make validate-en and make html-en were OK. I had not seen that make pot 
was disturbed.


I re-arranged tone-mapping-tutorial and make pot works now.

Julien


Le 17/11/2018 à 14:30, Marco Ciampa via gimp-docs-list a écrit :

Last commit:

117aaf066bc6055bcec71d7ae9e1ad5f7d556f92

breaks any language compilation.

For example the followind command stops with an error:

$make status-it
make: *** No rule to make target 'pot/annexes.pot', needed by 
'po/it/annexes.po'.  Stop.

please fix or revert

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Re: [Gimp-docs] Options in blur filters

[Julien Hardelin]

Eureka!

"entire layer" does not mean all the pixels of the layer, but only 
selection + the rest of the layer. Actually, this option works on 
selection border and uses near pixels in the rest of the layer to create 
the color of border squares, probably to create a gradual transition 
between the selection and the rest of the layer.


Le 14/11/2018 à 10:19, Marco Ciampa via gimp-docs-list a écrit :

On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 07:35:55AM +0100, Julien Hardelin wrote:

Hi,

No answer to my question :-(

Nobody knows how "Use the the _entire_ layer as input" works?

Julien

Why not try to post it also on the -dev ml?


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[Gimp-docs] Options in blur filters

[Julien Hardelin]

Hi all,

In several blur filters, we have the options "Use the selection as 
input" and "Use the entire layer as input".


I don't understand well these options. If I test "Use the entire layer 
as input" in Pixelize with a selection, I can see some slight 
differences in result, but I don't find, in result, colors that are in 
the layer outside the selection.


In my mind, in Pixelize, the color of a pixel is the mean of colors in 
the square it belongs to, and "use the entire layer as input" looks weird.


Can you enlighten me on this point?

Julien

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Re: [Gimp-docs] median blur filter

[Julien Hardelin]

That's OK now!

It was so simple :-s

Thank you very much.

Julien

Le 31/10/2018 à 08:23, Ell via gimp-docs-list a écrit :


On 10/31/18 2:45 AM, Julien Hardelin wrote:

Thank you Ell for your quick answer.

When I read your explanation, I  have a feeling that I understand. But
when I try to apply this, I get nothing. I tried with an alpha channel,
a layer mask, a selection mask (where I can edit transparency) without
any result in the image.

Please, give me an example applying this damned Alpha percentile. I am
sure that I will understand with an example.

The example shows an image with transparency, blurred using Median Blur,
with a radius of 10, and different alpha percentiles:

   https://i.imgur.com/vBQgA7D.png

Note that there is no selection or mask involved.

Hope this helps :)

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Re: [Gimp-docs] median blur filter

[Julien Hardelin]

Thank you Ell for your quick answer.

When I read your explanation, I  have a feeling that I understand. But 
when I try to apply this, I get nothing. I tried with an alpha channel, 
a layer mask, a selection mask (where I can edit transparency) without 
any result in the image.


Please, give me an example applying this damned Alpha percentile. I am 
sure that I will understand with an example.


Julien

Le 31/10/2018 à 02:34, Ell via gimp-docs-list a écrit :

On 10/30/18 11:01 AM, Julien Hardelin wrote:

Hi all,

I don't understand the "Alpha percentile" option in Median Blur filter.

Is this "alpha" a term related to statistics or to transparency ? I
can't built an example of this option.

By default, the Median Blur filter finds the median value at the
neighborhood of each pixel.  In spite of its name, the filter can
actually find *any* arbitrary percentile, not just the median (i.e., the
50th percentile).  The "Percentile" parameter controls the percentile
used for the color components, and the "Alpha percentile" parameter
separately controls the percentile used for the alpha component.  In
other words, "alpha" is related to transparency in this context.

To see the effect of this parameter, you need an image with transparency
-- if the alpha channel is opaque everywhere, the result will also be
fully opaque, regardless of the percentile.  Much like the color
"Percentile" parameter, for which lower values shift the image toward
darker tones and higher values toward brighter ones, lower values for
the "Alpha percentile" parameter shift the image toward more
transparency, and higher values shift the image toward more opacity,
where a value of 50% is balanced.  Roughly speaking, values less than
50% make the opaque regions of the image smaller, while values greater
than 50% make the opaque regions of the image larger.

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[Gimp-docs] median blur filter

[Julien Hardelin]

Hi all,

I don't understand the "Alpha percentile" option in Median Blur filter.

Is this "alpha" a term related to statistics or to transparency ? I 
can't built an example of this option.


Please, give me this example.

Julien

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Re: [Gimp-docs] question about section

[Julien Hardelin]

This is old feature, when Curves was in Toolbox. The Curves dialog no 
longer has this possibility. Update necessary as so many things  :-(


Julien


Le 04/10/2018 à 13:45, Marco Ciampa via gimp-docs-list a écrit :

This:

#: src/menus/colors/curves.xml:141(para)
msgid ""
"These buttons allow to choose the Linear or Logarithmic type of the"
"histogram. You can also use the same options in Tool Options dialog."
"This grayed out histogram is not displayed by default."
  ^

what does it mean? I see it always...

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Re: [Gimp-docs] What is Lock brush to view useful?

[Julien Hardelin]

Thank you Liam. That's clear now.

Julien
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[Gimp-docs] What is Lock brush to view useful?

[Julien Hardelin]

Hi,

I understand what the "Lock brush to view" option does with brush size 
and canvas rotation but I can't see what it can be used for in image 
editing.


In this reference https://github.com/mypaint/mypaint/issues/289 , the 
explanation


/"it is of extreme //
//utility when painting. It allows a very natural 'iterative refinement' 
process //
//with no need to repeatedly ask the application to change brush size as 
you go //

//between the broad strokes and the detailing."/

is not clear for me.

Could you enlighten me?

Julien

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[Gimp-docs] Understanding GIMP UI

[Julien Hardelin]

Hi,

What does "B" in TTB-RTL mean? (Text tool editor)

Julien

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Re: [Gimp-docs] Where do I find GIMP help repository?

[Julien Hardelin]

Oh! Sorry. The link I gave you is wrong!

The right one is

git clone g...@gitlab.gnome.org:GNOME/gimp-help.git

with ":" instead of "/" before "GNOME"

(Did you register at https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gimp-help)

Julien

Le 18/08/2018 à 22:03, Kolbjørn Stuestøl a écrit :

Thank you Julien
but I am not able to get the first link working. Have not tried the 
second one as I need to push (upload) my translations later. Well, I 
do hope so.

Something I have to add?
Tried among others: "git clone 
ssh://[my_username]@gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gimp-help.git". All my 
attempts resulted in the error message "The authenticity of host 
'gitlab.gnome.org (209.132.180.181)' can't be established." or "No 
such file or directory".


More:
"https://docs.gimp.org/; still say I have to use  "git clone 
git://git.gnome.org/gimp-help-2" to get the source code. Some updating 
necessary :-)


Kolbjørn



Den 18.08.2018 20:38, skreiv Julien Hardelin:


Your GNOME account is still valid. Try:

git clone g...@gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gimp-help.git.

To clone without a GNOME account the command is:

git clone https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gimp-help.git

Julien


Le 18/08/2018 à 15:53, Kolbjørn Stuestøl a écrit :

Thank you both
I need a step by step explanation on how to get access to this 
account. (Perhaps this will be useful for other users too?)
Can I use my access to the old repository or do I have to open a new 
account? How to do it?

How to download (pull, clone) and upload (push) files?
Kolbjørn

Den 18.08.2018 14:58, skreiv sebul:

https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gimp-help


2018년 8월 18일 (토) 오후 9:47, Kolbjørn Stuestøl 
mailto:kolbjo...@stuestoel.no>>님이 작성:


I have not been working on GIMP translations since April or so.
Starting up today I have no access to gimp-help-2 via the usual
"git
clone ssh://[my username].gnome.org/git/gimp-help-2
<http://gnome.org/git/gimp-help-2>". I also tried "git
clone … /git-help" without any success.
"git clone ssh://[my username].gnome.org/git/gimp
<http://gnome.org/git/gimp>" works as expected so
I think my access rights are OK.
Has GIMP help moved to some other place?
What am I to do to get access to the help files again?

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Re: [Gimp-docs] Steps to translate gimp user manual into marathi

[Julien Hardelin]

Normally, the gimp-help translations for marathi are managed at 
https://l10n.gnome.org/teams/mr/


Julien


Le 19/08/2018 à 07:47, Snehalata Shirude a écrit :
Please someone give me Steps to translate gimp user manual into 
marathi...


Snehalata

On Sun 19 Aug, 2018, 12:08 AM Julien Hardelin, <mailto:jhard...@orange.fr>> wrote:


Your GNOME account is still valid. Try:

git clone g...@gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gimp-help.git
<mailto:g...@gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gimp-help.git>.

To clone without a GNOME account the command is:

git clone https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gimp-help.git

Julien


Le 18/08/2018 à 15:53, Kolbjørn Stuestøl a écrit :

Thank you both
I need a step by step explanation on how to get access to this
account. (Perhaps this will be useful for other users too?)
Can I use my access to the old repository or do I have to open a
new account? How to do it?
How to download (pull, clone) and upload (push) files?
Kolbjørn

Den 18.08.2018 14:58, skreiv sebul:

https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gimp-help


2018년 8월 18일 (토) 오후 9:47, Kolbjørn Stuestøl
mailto:kolbjo...@stuestoel.no>>님이 작성:

I have not been working on GIMP translations since April or so.
Starting up today I have no access to gimp-help-2 via the
usual "git
clone ssh://[my username].gnome.org/git/gimp-help-2
<http://gnome.org/git/gimp-help-2>". I also tried "git
clone … /git-help" without any success.
"git clone ssh://[my username].gnome.org/git/gimp
<http://gnome.org/git/gimp>" works as expected so
I think my access rights are OK.
Has GIMP help moved to some other place?
What am I to do to get access to the help files again?

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Re: [Gimp-docs] Where do I find GIMP help repository?

[Julien Hardelin]

Your GNOME account is still valid. Try:

git clone g...@gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gimp-help.git.

To clone without a GNOME account the command is:

git clone https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gimp-help.git

Julien


Le 18/08/2018 à 15:53, Kolbjørn Stuestøl a écrit :

Thank you both
I need a step by step explanation on how to get access to this 
account. (Perhaps this will be useful for other users too?)
Can I use my access to the old repository or do I have to open a new 
account? How to do it?

How to download (pull, clone) and upload (push) files?
Kolbjørn

Den 18.08.2018 14:58, skreiv sebul:

https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gimp-help


2018년 8월 18일 (토) 오후 9:47, Kolbjørn Stuestøl >님이 작성:


I have not been working on GIMP translations since April or so.
Starting up today I have no access to gimp-help-2 via the usual "git
clone ssh://[my username].gnome.org/git/gimp-help-2
". I also tried "git
clone … /git-help" without any success.
"git clone ssh://[my username].gnome.org/git/gimp
" works as expected so
I think my access rights are OK.
Has GIMP help moved to some other place?
What am I to do to get access to the help files again?

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[Gimp-docs] failed to load external entity "http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/current/xhtml/chunk.xsl"

[Julien Hardelin]

Hi,

On a new installation of gimp-help on Ubuntu-18-04, I got this error:

make html-en
Cleaning up 'en' xml files ...
*** Making html for en ...
I/O error : Attempt to load network entity 
http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/current/xhtml/chunk.xsl
warning: failed to load external entity 
"http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/current/xhtml/chunk.xsl;

compilation error: file stylesheets/plainhtml.xsl line 10 element import
xsl:import : unable to load 
http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/current/xhtml/chunk.xsl

Makefile:1400: recipe for target 'html/en/index.html' failed
make: *** [html/en/index.html] Error 5

Yet , docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/current/xhtml/chunk.xsl exists.

What can be wrong in my installation? I ran ./autogen.sh --without-gimp 
ALL_LINGUAS="en fr".


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Re: [Gimp-docs] Color Temperature

[Julien Hardelin]

Thank you for your answer. It's clear now.

Julien


Le 07/07/2018 à 20:56, Liam R. E. Quin a écrit :

On Sat, 2018-07-07 at 20:25 +0200, Julien Hardelin wrote:

Hi all,

I don't understand why we can change the original temperature in
colors/Color Temperature. If this is the color temperature of the
light source the image was taken with, it should be a fixed value
that can't be changed.

Historically it is, but the image doesn't necessarily encode that
information correctly or at all (and you might or might not have
measured it).

In addition there's often a mix of light sources (a window, a fill-in
flash, a pile of burning organic fair-trade bamboo wood harvested under
a full moon)...

but above all else you can get interesting creative effects by changing
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[Gimp-docs] Color Temperature

[Julien Hardelin]

Hi all,

I don't understand why we can change the original temperature in 
colors/Color Temperature. If this is the color temperature of the light 
source the image was taken with, it should be a fixed value that can't 
be changed.


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Re: [Gimp-docs] Test 2.10.0 Help file for Julien

[Julien Hardelin]

Yes, that's possible. But simpler, you can send them to me personally.

The best,

Julien


Le 17/06/2018 à 22:17, Rick Strong a écrit :

This is a message for Julien Hardelin.
I have a test file (notepad++) and three test images (xcf, jpg, png) 
to send you to see if I am on the right track. To where do I send 
them? Can the images be simple attachments to an email?

Regards,
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Re: [Gimp-docs] gitlab(3)

[Julien Hardelin]

Hi,

I succeeded in pushing my commit, at last.

Thank you Pat, Alex and Marco for your help.

Julien

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[Gimp-docs] gitlab(3)

[Julien Hardelin]

Hi,

My main problem is that the user id I used with git is not recognized by 
gitlab: I can't sign in nor push.


So, I am trying, on another platform, to create a new gitlab account. I 
generated the ssh key, and now, I came to step 5 of 
https://gitlab.gnome.org/help/ssh/README.md:


"Navigate to the 'SSH Keys' tab in your 'Profile Settings'.
Paste your key in the 'Key' section and give it a relevant 'Title'."

What are these Profile Settings. I can't find them. Where are they?

Julien

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[Gimp-docs] gitlab

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Hi,

How to clone, commit, push with gitlab?

For git, there were references for that at gimp.org; none now.

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Re: [Gimp-docs] make html-en fails

[Julien Hardelin]

It's OK. I installed docbook and now autogen.sh no longer needs 
--enable-network.


Thank you again, Ulf.

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Re: [Gimp-docs] make html-en fails

[Julien Hardelin]

Oh yes!

make html-en works under Ubuntu-18.04, with the option enable-network,

Thank you Ulf.


Le 14/05/2018 à 22:07, Ulf-D. Ehlert a écrit :

On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 07:00:43PM +0200, Julien Hardelin wrote:


Under Ubuntu-18.04, I git cloned gimp-help-2.

./autogen.sh has no problem.

When I run make html-en, I get the error:

//gimp-help-2$ make html-en//
//Copying images (en) ... 1864//
//Cleaning up 'en' xml files ...//
//*** Making html for en ... //
//I/O error : Attempt to load network entity
//http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/current/xhtml/chunk.xsl//
//warning: failed to load external entity
//"http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/current/xhtml/chunk.xsl"//
//compilation error: file stylesheets/plainhtml.xsl line 10 element import//
//xsl:import : unable to load
//http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/current/xhtml/chunk.xsl//
//Makefile:1400: recipe for target 'html/en/index.html' failed//
//make: *** [html/en/index.html] Error 5/

When I go to the address, I can find chunk.xsl.

I don't understand why make html-en fails

If I remember correctly (I did not build gimp-help-2 for several years),
the Makefile variable "XSLTFLAGS = --nonet" should prevent this.
This should be set by default unless
"./configure --enable-network" (or "./autogen.sh --enable-network")
is specified.

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Re: [Gimp-docs] Composite mode options

[Julien Hardelin]

Thank you, Ell, for your very clear explanations.

Julien
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[Gimp-docs] Composite mode options

[Julien Hardelin]

Hi,

I don't understand options in Composite mode in Edit Layer Attributes 
and New Layer : Auto, Union, Clip to backdrop, Clip to layer, Intersection.


What do they do?

What are they useful for?

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[Gimp-docs] Edit Layer Attributes : no gimphelp-id

[Julien Hardelin]

Hi,

I can't find the id for Edit Layer Attributes in 
gimp/app/widgets/gimphelp-ids.h.


Yet, it must be used by F1

Does it exist?

Julien

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Re: [Gimp-docs] is there this option?

[Julien Hardelin]

I have it in the Flatpak version of gimp-2.10...

Julien


Le 07/05/2018 à 08:48, Marco Ciampa a écrit :

Is (still) there this option?

#: src/toolbox/paint/gradient.xml:399(para)
msgid ""
"Truncate: areas before and after endpoints are"
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Re: [Gimp-docs] little error?

[Julien Hardelin]

Oh yes!


Le 05/05/2018 à 10:59, Marco Ciampa a écrit :

Just noted:

#: src/toolbox/paint/gradient.xml:106(title)
msgid "The Blend tool dialog"

I think it should be:

msgid "The Gradient tool dialog"

do you agree?

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Re: [Gimp-docs] Blend tool midpoints

[Julien Hardelin]

Thank you , Ell, for your explanation.

Julien
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[Gimp-docs] Blend tool midpoints

[Julien Hardelin]

Hi,

In Blend tool, what are midpoints?

Normally, the midpoint of an interval can be found by finding the 
half-way point of each of the x and y values of the 2 points that define 
the interval.


In Blend tool, midpoint often is not at center of gradient segment, 
between two stops (and there is an option to place it at center).


How to explain what midpoint is, here?

Julien

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Re: [Gimp-docs] Help Needed for Documentation Writing?

[Julien Hardelin]

"I'll do a bit of research on the workflow to better understand how this 
all works (is the definitive guide still useful? 
). In the mean time, if any 
there's any less-critical work that I could get started on, let me know 
and I'd be glad to help!"


Docbook is useful as a reference. In usual workflow, you will find many 
code examples in src files, and you have templates as explained in the 
Howto.


Many chapters have to be updated (sometimes for only a few words), 
rebuilt or created. There is no complete list of what is to be done. You 
can find some indications in the "bug" list of Bugzila 
:https://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=__open__=gimp%20manual_redirect=1=Importance=GIMP-manual_format=specific. 
Also when you have built the html files of the work in progress, you 
will find a What's new in GIMP-2.10 section. And browsing the Web for 
gimp-2.9, you will find several What's new in.


But the main way is to compare gimp-2.9.6 step by step with the help 
html files.


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Re: [Gimp-docs] Help Needed for Documentation Writing?

[Julien Hardelin]

Hi pat,

My Howto needs some fixes if it is to be published. I'll do that.

Julien


Le 23/10/2017 à 16:03, Pat David a écrit :

Julien,

Is there a list (or maybe off the top of your head you'll know) of a 
couple of simple places a new contributor could get their feet wet 
helping out?  Maybe something relatively easy to get accustomed to the 
workflow?


Also, is the workflow for participating something we should document 
on the website somewhere also?  I'm happy to help get a page setup 
with your info!


pat

On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 1:34 AM Marco Ciampa via gimp-docs-list 
> wrote:


On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 12:30:58PM -0400, Morgan Lupton wrote:
> Hey everyone,
>
> I'm a big fan of this project, and I've been a GIMP user for
many years.
> I'm by no means a skilled enough developer to contribute in
code, but I
> would like to lend a hand by writing, editing, formatting or
modifying any
> GIMP documentation that needs extra work.
>
> I've written countless enterprise docs for clients during my
employment at
> Red Hat as a consultant, including wikis, procedural guides, and
reference
> glossaries. I've recently returned from a position as a site
reliability
> engineer over in Europe and am hoping to transition into a technical
> writing role stateside, which I believe is a better fit for my
skills and
> experience.
>
> Is there a documentation Github page or taskboard you can point
me towards?
> Most of the docs I've written aren't really publicly available,
but I do
> have a short procedural doc I can send your way if it's necessary to
> provide a sample.
>
> Let me know if you need anything else, looking forward to
helping out the
> GIMP Team!
>
> Best,
> Morgan

Hi Morgan and welcome aboard!

I'm the Italian translator of the manual, so please forgive my bad
English. The GIMP manual is written in docbook-xml, and converted
by the
source code present in its repository in PDF and HTML. The strings are
automatically extracted by a series of very smart scripts and
Makefiles
into .po files (see the gettext docs) for the use of us -translators-.
Translated strings are then riconverted into docbook by means of
the same
scripts to obtain the different languages versions of the docs. The
mechanism is very smart. In this way translators can focus on the
translation and every small modification or update in the original
source
text will automatically transmitted to the translations in the form of
marked strings to update/translate.

It is very important to understand the mechanism and keep it
working to
permit to translators to work.

Docbook permits also to have "anchors" in the text that make the
"context
help" through the pressing of the F1 key work inside GIMP.

Hope this help you clarify matter...

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Re: [Gimp-docs] GEGL .mo files

[Julien Hardelin]

I translated gegl in a po file.

I validated this po file with msgfmt and got a messages.mo file.

I want to apply this .mo file to gimp-2.9.7 (many filters are gegl 
dependent).


There is no gegl .mo file in usr/share/locale/fr/LCMESSAGES.

Where is this messages.mo (renamed) to be placed ?

I use Ubuntu.


Le 24/09/2017 à 17:43, Marco Ciampa via gimp-docs-list a écrit :

On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 08:10:35AM +0200, Julien Hardelin wrote:

Hi all,

I cann't remember (nor find) where the .mo files for GEGL are.

Please, could you tell me the path to them.

Please explain:

1) are you really sure you search for .mo files instead of the .po files?
2) given that you really search for the .mo files for which platform
(Mac/Windows/Linux) are you searching these files?
3) why are you searching for the GEGL .mo files?

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[Gimp-docs] GEGL .mo files

[Julien Hardelin]

Hi all,

I cann't remember (nor find) where the .mo files for GEGL are.

Please, could you tell me the path to them.

Julien

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[Gimp-docs] Layer new options

[Julien Hardelin]

Hi all,

I have an image with 2 layers and a background. In the context menu, the 
default Layer Composite Mode seems to be Auto. If I click on the other 
composite mode options, nothing happens. The same thing with Blend and 
Composite spaces.


Are these options active? Is there anything else to do to active them?

Julien

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Re: [Gimp-docs] Hello!

[Julien Hardelin]

Welcome,


Many chapters have to be updated, rebuilt or created. There is no 
complete list of what is to be done. You can find some indications in 
the "bug" list of Bugzila 
:https://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=__open__=gimp%20manual_redirect=1=Importance=GIMP-manual_format=specific. 
Also when you have built the html files of the work in progress, you 
will find a What's new in GIMP-2.10 section.


But the main way is to compare gimp-2.9.6 with the help html files.

The Gimp manual has a long history. Unless you want to create a 
completely new manual, your work has to fit the existing document.


I attach a How to contribute html file that summarizes my experience.


Julien Hardelin


Le 14/09/2017 à 17:27, Famiglietti, Andrew A a écrit :


Hi Gimp Documentation List!


I'm a professor in the English Department at West Chester University 
of Pennsylvania, and I'm planning to use Open Source Software 
documentation as a "real world" writing task for my Technical Writing 
Students this semester. I noticed your project was looking for 
documentation help and thought I would reach out. Some things you 
should know:


- I'm not going to swamp you with student pull requests. Students will 
file their drafts with me, first, and then I will pass them on to you 
only if I think they have a reasonably good end product, and I have an 
ok from the project


I was wondering:

- If you would be interested in seeing the documentation drafts 
students produce
- If there was any particular area of documentation you were 
particularly in need of


Thanks so much for your time!

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Title: 6. How to Contribute



  
  

  

  6. How to Contribute


  

  

  
  Chapter 3. First Steps with Wilber
   

  
  


  

  
6. How to Contribute
  

  
  
  
Welcome to the GIMP-Help team!
  
  
This tutorial is intended for writing documentation. If you want to 
translate the documentation or the user interface, 
please go to "https://l10n.gnome.org/teams/xx" where "xx"  
is your language code: ISO 639-1 language codes can be found at
http://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/php/code_list.php.
  
  

  Prerequisite


  
Join our mailing list>
  
  
You can join our mailing list at
  https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs-list.
  Please, feel free to ask questions.

  
  
Create a Local Working Copy of Code
  
  

  The GIMP help Manual is lodged in a central repository at
  http://git.gnome.org. Creating a local copy of this repository to work
  on makes sure that everyone can work on his own without fuzzing around
  into works of other contributors.


  As a newbie, you will access the git repository anonymously (without 
  an account). Open a terminal and type:
  git clone git://git.gnome.org/gimp-help-2.


  If you have a GNOME account, the command is:
  git clone ssh://yourusername>@git.gnome.org/git/gimp-help-2
  .


  This will create a “gimp-help-2” folder in your current
  directory. Be patient! That's a big download: about 700 MB.

  
  
Installing your sandbox
  
  

  After downloading your local copy, run:
  cd gimp-help-2 then
  ./autogen.sh --without-gimp.


  When running ./autogen.sh, you can notice some not found packages, for
  example “checking for dblatex... no”. Most of them are
  related to PDF files and you have to install them before running
  ./autogen.sh again if you want to create PDF files.

  
  
The gimp-help-2 folder
  
  

  The GIMP User Manual is maintained in the xml files of the
  “src” folder. These xml files are used by developers. 

  

  
  

  Workflow


  
Writing
  
  

  The language is English (USA).


  To edit XML files, use your preferred text editor. Perso

[Gimp-docs] MyPaint brushes

[Julien Hardelin]

Hi all,

I can't install MyPaint brushes:

I downloaded 2 MyPaint brushes packages, unziped them and copied-pasted 
all files into /usr/share.gimp/2.0/brushes (or into a new MyPaint 
folder, or into the Legacy folder). Then I clicked on the Refresh 
brushes button in the Brush  selection dialog.


But Mypaint brushes are not installed.

Please, can you explain me how to install these brushes.

Julien

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Re: [Gimp-docs] Transparency makes difference on "Abyss None" policy of warp tool

[Julien Hardelin]

Thank you for the remark.

I'll add it to my next commit, not soon...

Julien


Le 26/06/2017 à 13:27, RyoTa SimaMoto a écrit :

Hi,
Thank you for updating and improving.

The Abyss option of Warp Transform Tool has four choices
and brings five different results, but the description and
example image of GIMP documentation gives four that
expects the layer has alpha.
On a non-alpha layer, Abyss None fills blank outer area of
deformed layer with the original content.  For other choices
(Crop and Loop), transparency does not make difference
in results.

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Re: [Gimp-docs] Symmetry painting: Disable brush transform

[Julien Hardelin]

Thank you Alex (and Jehan) for the explanation.

Julien


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[Gimp-docs] Symmetry painting: Disable brush transform

[Julien Hardelin]

Hi all,

Could somebody explain "brush transform" ("brush reflection" in pop 
help) in the Disable brush transform option of the Symmetry painting dialog?


I don't see any difference when painting with or without this option 
checked, and don't find explanation on the Web.


Julien

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[Gimp-docs] Symmetry painting

[Julien Hardelin]

Hi all,

In gimp-2.9.5 under Ubuntu and Windows 10, Symmetry painting cann't be 
found in painting tolls options and it is not in Preferences/Playgroung.


Has it been removed, or is this a bug or some missing dependency?

Julien Hardelin

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Re: [Gimp-docs] New and Dutch translation

[Julien Hardelin]

Hi Michel,

If I well understand, you want to translate the gimp-user-manual to Dutch.

Did you visit https://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/811/676/94. ?

It's the page of the Dutch team for the gimp-user-manual. You will find 
explanations on how to manage translations on this site.


Best,

Julien


Le 04/04/2017 à 17:36, Michel Schmitt a écrit :

Hi,

I am new to this list and would love to help with the documentation. I 
noticed Dutch as one of the languages that still need a lot of work. 
Since I am Dutch that would be an obvious place to start. At this 
point I am pretty clueless about how all this works so any help would 
be appreciated.




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Re: [Gimp-docs] Preferences documentation

[Julien Hardelin]

Good idea, I agree.

Regards,

Julien


Le 04/04/2017 à 16:38, Elle Stone a écrit :

Hi All,

Most of the documentation devoted to "Enrich my GIMP" is actually 
documentation for Preferences.


The Preferences page is huge, too large for users to easily navigate.

What do you all think about reorganizing as follows?

* Make Preferences a stand-alone section with the base URL 
https://docs.gimp.org/2.9/en/gimp-preferences. Or probably better, put 
Preferences under the Edit menu, to correspond to where Preferences is 
located on the Menu bar.


* Break the Preferences documentation into smaller chunks 
corresponding to the Preferences subsections (System Resources, Color 
Management, etc).


Best,
Elle
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Re: [Gimp-docs] Colors/Desaturate/Desaturate documentation

[Julien Hardelin]

Hi Elle,

Sorry if I hurt you. It was not my aim. Only searching a way to resolve 
this endless discussion. English is not my native language and my text 
does not allways transmit my mind.


I repeat: your participation is a luck for gimp help. Time grasping is 
normal for a first contribution.


If you send your patches to bugzilla, the only who will resolve them, is 
me. So the simplest way for you is to send me your xml files and I will 
push them. "push" is the consecrated term in git to send files to the 
git repository.


it seems that some mails don't arrive. For instance, I sent you a 
command to validate a particular xml file (xmllint file.xml). It seems 
that you did not receive it.


Git is a complex tool. Can you send your git status. I will see how to 
resolve your problem with po files.


Best,

Julien


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Re: [Gimp-docs] Colors/Desaturate/Desaturate documentation

[Julien Hardelin]

In a tutorial, we use only some features of a dialog.

Gimp-help menus are not tutorials. They are references, and so, each 
feature of a dialog must be described. Some are common to several 
commands; they can be grouped in a common-features file.


You can't leave the Advanced option unexplained; you must explain, as 
you did here, why you can't develop explanations nor give an example. Or 
what will users think?


In your file, we don't see that Luminance, Luma... belong to Mode.

No, it is not necessary to do more about these Mode options: "Five 
options are available " is enough


Julien


Le 26/03/2017 à 18:22, Elle Stone a écrit :

On 03/26/2017 10:58 AM, Elle Stone wrote:


2- Mode
* Luminance
* Luma
* Lightness
* Average
* Value
3- Advanced options
* Apply filter to the layer's RAW pixels: with an example


If the above means that there should be documentation for the five 
Modes and *also* for "Advanced options/Apply filter to the layer's RAW 
pixels", I don't think adding documentation for "Advanced options 
Apply filter to the layer's RAW pixels" to the desaturate help (or any 
other help page for a specific editing option) is a good idea.


Just one example wouldn't do as it would be misleading. Between the 
gamma hack and the "color managed" option there are four possible 
combinations for the user to choose among, for each desaturate mode:


* The precise effect of each combination of "mode+using or not using 
the advanced options" does vary depending on whether the operation in 
question requests linearized RGB or RGB encoded using the sRGB TRC. So 
for example the effect when choosing Luminance is different from the 
effect when using Luma.


*The precise effect also varies depending on whether the image is at 
"linear" or "perceptual" precision.


* It seems, though I'm not 100% certain, that the effect also depends 
on whether there has been any previous "making of a new profile from a 
pre-existing non-GIMP-built-in profile", which in turn depends on 
whether the image had an embedded linear gamma ICC profile and whether 
the image has been promoted to 32f with linear precision and then 
possibly back to gamma precision, and on whether the user has chosen 
to automatically promote to 32f in Preferences.


In other words, accurately explaining the possible results from using 
the Advanced Color Options in the Desaturate dialog would require a 
flow chart in order to explain what happens when using which 
combination of the Advanced Color Options given X current precision, Y 
previous precision changes and Z original non-sRGB embedded ICC 
profile, combined with the choice amongst the various modes for 
converting to black and white that the user has made.


I'd very much prefer to not create such a flow chart, especially since 
the code for the relevant factors affecting the outcome of any given 
set of choices+previous-precision-changes is still in a state of flux.


Best,
L
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Re: [Gimp-docs] Colors/Desaturate/Desaturate documentation

[Julien Hardelin]

To validate a particular xml file, I use the command: xmllint file.xml.

Julien
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Re: [Gimp-docs] Colors/Desaturate/Desaturate documentation

[Julien Hardelin]

We have a special make in gimp-help-2.

It is possible to build a draft for a single xml file html with this 
make, but images are not embedded. it uses the xml file that is in xml/en/:


make xml/en/.../name-of-the-xml.draft

and you find this draft in the htlm-en folder.

Better is the command: yelp file=///path-to-the source-xml-file.xml

Best,

Julien



That works - thanks! Where did this "html-en" option come from?

Starting from "./autogen.sh", what are the recommended commands for 
installing and then updating gimp-help, when the goal is to check the 
English html file that results from modifying a single xml file?




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Re: [Gimp-docs] Colors/Desaturate/Desaturate documentation

[Julien Hardelin]

Hi Elle,

Maybe everything under "Choose shades of gray based on" except the 
actual formulas should be moved to the Notes at the bottom of the page?


My apologies, I don't understand what "Precise that these options 
belong to the Mode item" means. What is a Mode item?


Are you referring to the "Advanced Color Options"?

Options
1- Presets
2- Mode
* Luminance
* Luma
* Lightness
* Average
* Value
3- Advanced options
* Apply filter to the layer's RAW pixels: with an example
4- Preview
5- Split view: interest?



-"linearized RGB" needs a link.

The link can be to the Web, or to another part of the doc

Best,

Julien

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Re: [Gimp-docs] Colors/Desaturate/Desaturate documentation

[Julien Hardelin]

Hello Elle,

Color management is a hard subject. In the gimp-users list, questions 
about color management are rare, because common users don't use it, 
because they don't understand it.


In the other hand, this document will be interesting for users who know 
color management.


Your participation is a chance for gimp-help. I think we can keep this 
text as it is, but a tutorial about color management for newbies becomes 
necessary.


Only  small remarks:

- Precise that these options belong to the Mode item.

- All elements of a dialog must be described, even if they look evident, 
because they might not be evident for some users: function, what are 
they useful for?


-"linearized RGB" needs a link.

All the best,

Julien



Le 24/03/2017 à 19:53, Elle Stone a écrit :

On 03/21/2017 12:48 PM, Elle Stone wrote:


As my first attempt at trying to help with updating the documentation, I
want to try to update the Colors/Desaturate/Desaturate documentation to
be current with some recent patches.


It will be easier for me to work with XML once I know what content I 
want to put into the XML files. So I revised the html file for the 
Colors/Desaturate/Desaturate menu and posted the revision to my 
website. Here's the (very temporary) link:


http://ninedegreesbelow.com/files/desaturate/8-18-desaturate.html

Feedback on the revision is greatly appreciated. If I've used too many 
words, too long sentences, strayed into too much detail, made any 
blatant mistakes, etc, please let me know and I'll try again.


If I don't receive any negative feedback (or no feedback at all) in 
the next day or so, I'll assume my revision is "content OK" and will 
port the revised content over to the XML documents.


On the one hand, there have been a lot of major changes to GIMP's 
"color management/color mixing/layer blending" code, that needs 
corresponding revision in the documentation.


On the other hand, the articles and tutorials I've written for my 
website tend to be overly wordy and technical.


So I want to make sure I'm hitting the right balance of "too little vs 
too much information" before heading into the deeper waters of the 
color management documentation. Which is why I'm asking for feedback 
on the Desaturate menu revisions.


Best,
Elle


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Re: [Gimp-docs] can someone clarify me this?

[Julien Hardelin]

Hello,

What do you mean by "screen" ?

How do you describe the results in the attached file?

Julien





#: src/menus/view/zoom.xml:161(para)
msgid ""
"This command zooms the image so that the selection fills the smallest"
"dimension of the image."

in

menus/view.po

I would have written:

"This command zooms the image such as all the selection is visible."

or

"This command zooms the image such as all the selection is visible"
"occupying the most part of the screen."

or

"This command zooms the image such as all the selection is visible"
"fitting all the screen."

but my English is not so good so I could be wrong of course.

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Re: [Gimp-docs] Gimp-2.9.5 - Select border

[Julien Hardelin]

Thank you Ell, thank you Marco for your help.

Julien
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Re: [Gimp-docs] Gimp-2.9.5 - Select border

[Julien Hardelin]

Hi Marco,


On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 06:37:14PM +0100, Julien Hardelin wrote:

Hello all,

Please, what do you get when using select/border? I cann't see any
difference between the three options of "Border Style': Hard, Smooth and
Feather.

For the feather style, you do have an alpha layer when you make the
selection, don't you?


Yes I have.


For the smooth style, use high values with a rectangular selection to see
the smooth (round) effect ...

...and re-select the selection to make any change in settings effective.

What do you mean by "re-select the selection"?

 In this example :
  https://mon-partage.fr/f/RgBYJtjb/
I understand what happens : the border command wih feathered option 
feathers both borders of the border selection , but this is not visible 
in the left image of course. This becomes visible if  I Edit/Clear the 
selection (on the right).


Could you post your example?

Regards,

Julien
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[Gimp-docs] GIMP Help ID'S - Input Devices

[Julien Hardelin]

Hello Alex,

Two questions:

1- Some help ID's are missing, and "Save-as-template" is still there 
instead of. "Create-template". Who is in charge of them? May I do the job?


2- There are two "Input Devices", in Menus/Edit and Menus/Preferences, 
with different items. Why that?


Julien

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[Gimp-docs] DEBUG commands

[Julien Hardelin]

Hi Alexandre,

What are DEBUG commands in the file menu useful for? I can't understand 
them.


Are they permanent or temporary features?

Julien

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Re: [Gimp-docs] 'make pdf' fails

[Julien Hardelin]

Same here. "make html-fr", "make pdf-en", and "make pdf-de" worked,
"make pdf-fr" failed.

Maybe this is related to the "Compatibility with the french package"
problem mentioned in the babel user guide (try "texdoc babel")?


"make pdf-fr" works under OpenSuse-LEAP-42.1!
It does  not work under Ubuntu-15.10 and 1.04.
That looks like a problem with Ubuntu. Which OS did you use to test?

I don't understand the relation with Babel.

Julien

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[Gimp-docs] 'make pdf' fails

[Julien Hardelin]

Hi,
When I run 'make pdf-fr' I get the error
*** cannot build PDFs because dblatex(1) was not found ***.

dblatex is yet installed. The executable is in /usr/bin and this path is 
in the $PATH variable.

fr XML files are created.
If I run dblatex directly on an xml file, the corresponding pdf file is 
created...


I use Ubuntu-15.10

What is wrong with 'make pdf'?

Julien Hardelin
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Re: [Gimp-docs] GIMP doc on Cygwin

[Julien Hardelin]

I remember there was some problems but not the solutions and neither 
where to find the threads where the installation(s) was discussed. 
Julien, are your cookbook (Using Cygwin for GIMP translations) still 
available somewhere?




Unfortunately no.

But did you try cygwin + git on Google ?

Julien

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Re: [Gimp-docs] About the Chinese edition of user manual

[Julien Hardelin]

Le 21/12/2012 12:55, Hibernake a écrit :
Did you visit http://l10n.gnome.org/teams/ ?
That the simplest way to contribute to translation.

Julien

Hi,

I am new to GIMP, and found that there is no a Chinese edition for the 
2.8 user manual.


I'm willing to help to translate it, but I don't know how to help it.

If there is already someone doing this?

-
Hibernake




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Re: [Gimp-docs] Added dynamics

[Julien Hardelin]

I am using Notepad++ for the writing of the xml files. I thought I 
remembered that the tab size should be set to 2, which I did. I will 
change the setting to Replace by space as you suggested. Using two 
spaces instead of tab.

I also have set the format to UTF-8 without byte order mark. Correct?
Kolbjoern

If the Replace by space option is checked, you can use tabs...
UTF-8 without BOM is OK : only LF at the end of lines.

Julien
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Re: [Gimp-docs] My contribution to spanish gimp documentation

[Julien Hardelin]

Before git pulling, you must commit your changes to your local repository:
/git commit -a -m myCommit/

You can also, if you don't want to accumulate commits, clean your sand 
box with

/git checkout path-to-your-po-file /for every file./
/The file will return to its previous state, before your changes/./ Then 
git pull will update your file.


If you even though want to save you changes, you quand use
/git stash/
Your files will be saved and then return to their previous state.
Please run /man git-stash/ for more information about this command.

Julien


Hi, after sending the patch I'm not able to do git pull anymore in the 
gimp-help-2 repository. The error it throws is the next:


guiu@guiu-N50Vc:~/src/gimp-help-2$ git pull
Updating 2817d87..0f50720
error: Your local changes to the following files would be overwritten 
by merge:

po/es/dialogs.po
po/es/filters/render.po
po/es/introduction.po
po/es/toolbox/transform.po
Please, commit your changes or stash them before you can merge.
Aborting 

I've tried to stag the files using git add file for every file it 
report problems, but I had no success with that.

I'm sorry for annoying you with my newbie git problems.

Guiu Rocafort



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Re: [Gimp-docs] Pimp my GIMP

[Julien Hardelin]

http://docs.gimp.org/en/index.html

It is now Enrich my GIMP. Is Improve my GIMP better?

Julien

H Roman,

I fully support changing Pimp my GIMP to something less controversial. 
As a women I feel uncomfortable with the phrase.


Regards

Jan

On 29 May 2012 19:18, Roman Joost romanof...@gimp.org 
mailto:romanof...@gimp.org wrote:


There is currently a proposal to change the heading of the 'Pimp my
GIMP' section to something less controversal, as it may put off people
with it's political incorrectness (pimp).

I know that GIMP as well already gets people into arguments, but I
think
changing it to Improve my GIMP or something similar will simply
increase the acceptance of the manual and lower the possibility for
people feeling offended.

Any objections?
--
Roman Joost
www: http://www.romanofski.de
email: romanof...@gimp.org mailto:romanof...@gimp.org

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Re: [Gimp-docs] Translating into Swedish

[Julien Hardelin]

 Is there someone else working on the Swedish translation already?

GIMP help is partially translated to Swedish (last commit in 2009): 
http://l10n.gnome.org/module/gimp-help-2/ may help you.


Julien Hardelin

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Re: [Gimp-docs] Image Selection drop-down list of Dock

[Julien Hardelin]

Le 02/05/2012 06:07, RyōTa SimaMoto a écrit :

Hi,

The detailed description of Image Selection function of docks
http://docs.gimp.org/2.6/en/gimp-concepts-docks.html#gimp-dock-image-menu
is removed at the recent change for 2.8, but it may still be necessary
for multi-window mode on 2.8.  In multi-window mode, though, the pull-down
selector, Auto button, and Show Image Selection toggle-switch command
entry of tab's menu are shown, GIMP hides them in single-window mode.

Would you mind to revert this section?  This function is also mentioned at
dialogs/images-dialog.xml.


Oh, you are right! Thank you for feedback.

(Could you also write documentation as Marco started doing?)
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Re: [Gimp-docs] writing a new section: image snapshots

[Julien Hardelin]

In wrinting a new section rised in me a question: how to preserve the
screenshot homogeneity? Is there any?

Once I remind it was a wiki note regarding how to take a screen snapshot.
There was a system and a theme recomended.
And now?
Am I free to use whatever I want?



Here is an extract of the How to Contribute I wrote long ago:

sect3
titleImages/title
para
You also have to manage screenshots. If you don't create a 
localized

image for your language, the English image will be used by default.
Here are some hints for making good screenshots:
itemizedlist
listitem
para
  reduce screenshot area as much as possible cropping the 
window

  manager borders and disabling the help button (you can do it
  in the preference dialog),
/para
/listitem
listitem
para
  set the image mode to indexed 255 colors (except for 
thumbnails):

menuchoice
guimenuImage/guimenu
guisubmenuMode/guisubmenu
guimenuitemIndexed/guimenuitem
/menuchoice
/para
/listitem
listitem
para
  set print resolution to 144 dpi. You can do this easily 
with GIMP

  from
menuchoice
guimenuImage/guimenu
guisubmenuPrint Size.../guisubmenu
/menuchoice
/para
/listitem
/itemizedlist
/para
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Re: [Gimp-docs] whats new in GIMP 2.8

[Julien Hardelin]

Le 29/04/2012 20:43, Marco Ciampa a écrit :

Reading the manual from the start, just after the intro, you see

What's New in GIMP 2.6?

Why do not clone it creating a new section

What's New in GIMP 2.8?

I think that this could be a good starting point:

http://www.gimpusers.com/tutorials/gimp-2-8-features-preview-april-2010


Why you don't write it?
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Re: [Gimp-docs] Comments in POT files

[Julien Hardelin]

Oh yes!

Thank you
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Re: [Gimp-docs] Images not visible in http://docs.gimp.org/2.8/en

[Julien Hardelin]

Hi,

Images I sent recently to http://docs.gimp.org/2.8/en, new and modified,
are not visible.


What do you mean, sent?


pushed :

http://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp-help-2/commit/
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Re: [Gimp-docs] make broken?

[Julien Hardelin]

Le 27/02/2012 20:52, Ulf-D. Ehlert a écrit :

I can't reproduce it (I tried it with git archive instead of
git clone, but this shouldn't make a difference).  Both make-3.81 and
make-3.82 worked fine.

Which command did you try? Just make?
I get the error with gimp-help-2 on 2 different hard disks: the new 
sandbox under opensuse-12.1, the old sandbox under opensuse-11.4. You 
should get the same error after git pull and autogen...

I tried make alone, and also make validate-en with the same result.


Does make --debug give some useful information?

No, it only gives the error. No more information.

/~/gimp-help-2 make --debug
GNU Make 3.82
Construit pour x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu
Copyright (C) 2010  Free Software Foundation, Inc.
Licence GPLv3+ : GNU GPL version 3 ou ultérieure 
http://gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html
Ceci est un logiciel libre : vous êtes autorisé à le modifier et à la 
redistribuer.

Il ne comporte AUCUNE GARANTIE, dans la mesure de ce que permet la loi.
Lecture des makefiles...
Makefile:496: xml/en,/.deps.mk: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type
Makefile:496: xml/fr/.deps.mk: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type
Makefile:1220: *** mélange de règles implicites et statiques pour le 
motif. Arrêt./



Does it work with make -r?

No, it gives the error.

/~/gimp-help-2 make -r
Makefile:496: xml/en,/.deps.mk: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type
Makefile:496: xml/fr/.deps.mk: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type
Makefile:1220: *** mélange de règles implicites et statiques pour le 
motif. Arrêt.

/


Do you get the same result with the attached Makefile?

No, I get this:

/~/gimp-help-2 make
Making pot/foo.pot
Making po/de/foo.po (pot/foo.pot)
Making pot/bar/baz.pot
Making po/de/bar/baz.po (pot/bar/baz.pot)
Making po-de (po/de/foo.po po/de/bar/baz.po)
Making po/fr/foo.po (pot/foo.pot)
Making po/fr/bar/baz.po (pot/bar/baz.pot)
Making po-fr (po/fr/foo.po po/fr/bar/baz.po)
Making all (po-de po-fr)

/Julien/
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[Gimp-docs] make broken?

[Julien Hardelin]

Hi,

In a new sandbox,, after autogen.sh, make gives the errors:

/Makefile:496: xml/en,/.deps.mk: No file or folder of this type
Makefile:496: xml/fr/.deps.mk: No file or folder of this type
Makefile:1220: ***Mixing implicit and static rules for the pattern. Stop.
/(messages translated)

In an old sandbox, before git pull, make runs normally. After git pull 
and autogen, I get the same errors.


There must be something broken in make.

Julien
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