Re: [Gimp-gui] GIMP Theme UI now and future.

[Akkana Peck]

Elle writes:
> >On my system the "light side of GIMP" theme and the current default
> >GIMP theme are very close in tonality, with the "light side of GIMP
> >theme being a tad lighter. Here's a screenshot showing the two themes
> >side by side:
> >http://ninedegreesbelow.com/bug-reports/gimp29/light-side-vs-default-small.jpg
[ ... ]
> >1. The "light side of GIMP" theme has a lot of darker tones in things
> >like sliders, boxes for choosing parameters, the menu bar, and really
> >just about everywhere. This makes for too little contrast between the
> >sliders, boxes, etc and any contained text. It seems to me that a
> >lighter shade of gray would make the text stand out better.

I should clarify that my comment about both light themes being too
dark and lacking contrast referred to the darker #bdbdbd color that
Elle mentions here, not the base #ee color. The darker color
predominates in the screenshots, including in areas where there's a
lot of text to read. Black against #bdbdbd is a lot less contrasty
and harder to read than what I currently see in GIMP 2.9 and earlier.

Jehan writes:
> I agree. Also do we want the theme to get rid of colors? If I were to
> decide, I'd say no. For sliders for instance, I quite prefer this blue|white
> colors to the white|grey proposed.

I don't have strong feelings about the current blue/white sliders
vs. the grey/white ones in the "lighter side" theme, though I find
the 3D highlights in the "alternate light" sliders prettier and more
professional looking than the flat ones (just a personal prejudice,
I'll be fine using whatever GIMP ends up with).

However, I'd be sorry to see the colors in the Toolbox icons go. I
have a very hard time telling many of the icons apart already, even
with color cues, and without color it'll be a lot harder. I know
there are people who don't want color icons distracting them, but
I don't think I'll be able to use these monochrome Toolbox icons,
and that will probably drive me to a custom theme, and might drive
some users away from GIMP if it's not easy to find alternate themes.

...Akkana

Re: [Gimp-gui] GIMP Theme UI now and future.

[Jehan]

Hi,

On 2015-12-30 18:05, Elle Stone wrote:

On 12/29/2015 08:57 PM, Akkana Peck wrote:

Both the light themes seem quite dark and not very contrasty
(with black text and icons) compared to the GIMP I currently see,
which has a background color of #dcdad5 rather than the #bdbdbd
used in both of the light themes for most icons and menus;
except the menus in the alternate light theme, which are pretty
close to what I see now in GIMP.

I'd like to see a theme option (whether or not it's the default)
that has similar contrast to the current theme; the new themes will
be harder to read for at least some users.


On my system the "light side of GIMP" theme and the current default
GIMP theme are very close in tonality, with the "light side of GIMP
theme being a tad lighter. Here's a screenshot showing the two themes
side by side:
http://ninedegreesbelow.com/bug-reports/gimp29/light-side-vs-default-small.jpg

If I had to choose any of the new themes, it would be the "Light side
of GIMP" theme. By comparison, the current default theme looks a bit
outdated and the new theme is very pretty and modern-looking. But I
like the current theme better for three reasons:

1. The "light side of GIMP" theme has a lot of darker tones in things
like sliders, boxes for choosing parameters, the menu bar, and really
just about everywhere. This makes for too little contrast between the
sliders, boxes, etc and any contained text. It seems to me that a
lighter shade of gray would make the text stand out better.


I agree. Also do we want the theme to get rid of colors? If I were to 
decide, I'd say no. For sliders for instance, I quite prefer this 
blue|white colors to the white|grey proposed.



2. Also the new theme UIs for things like Gaussian blur, Curves, etc,
are always larger than the corresponding current default GIMP theme.
As screen real estate matters a great deal, I prefer the smaller UIs.


I agree. Draekko, is it because of the UI images which adds pixels here 
and there? If so, could these be made to the strict minimum, as a 
compromise between "beautiful" and "don't waste real estate space".



3. Also the new themes lack a good indication of where the grab areas
are for resizing windows and subwindows. Maybe users already know that
the subframes can be resized? And they know where to find the
(completely unindicated) grab handle for reproportioning the space
between the upper and lower subframes?


I agree. Draekko, could this be fixed?

Jehan

Re: [Gimp-gui] GIMP Theme UI now and future.

[Elle Stone]

On 12/29/2015 08:57 PM, Akkana Peck wrote:

Both the light themes seem quite dark and not very contrasty
(with black text and icons) compared to the GIMP I currently see,
which has a background color of #dcdad5 rather than the #bdbdbd
used in both of the light themes for most icons and menus;
except the menus in the alternate light theme, which are pretty
close to what I see now in GIMP.

I'd like to see a theme option (whether or not it's the default)
that has similar contrast to the current theme; the new themes will
be harder to read for at least some users.


On my system the "light side of GIMP" theme and the current default GIMP 
theme are very close in tonality, with the "light side of GIMP theme 
being a tad lighter. Here's a screenshot showing the two themes side by 
side: 
http://ninedegreesbelow.com/bug-reports/gimp29/light-side-vs-default-small.jpg


If I had to choose any of the new themes, it would be the "Light side of 
GIMP" theme. By comparison, the current default theme looks a bit 
outdated and the new theme is very pretty and modern-looking. But I like 
the current theme better for three reasons:


1. The "light side of GIMP" theme has a lot of darker tones in things 
like sliders, boxes for choosing parameters, the menu bar, and really 
just about everywhere. This makes for too little contrast between the 
sliders, boxes, etc and any contained text. It seems to me that a 
lighter shade of gray would make the text stand out better.


2. Also the new theme UIs for things like Gaussian blur, Curves, etc, 
are always larger than the corresponding current default GIMP theme. As 
screen real estate matters a great deal, I prefer the smaller UIs.


3. Also the new themes lack a good indication of where the grab areas 
are for resizing windows and subwindows. Maybe users already know that 
the subframes can be resized? And they know where to find the 
(completely unindicated) grab handle for reproportioning the space 
between the upper and lower subframes?

Re: [Gimp-gui] GIMP Theme UI now and future.

[Jehan]

Hi,

On 2015-12-30 02:23, Elle Stone wrote:

On 12/29/2015 07:08 PM, Ben wrote:

On 12/29/2015 06:41 PM, Elle Stone wrote:

Would it be too much to offer five default themes,
more or less spaced as follows?

1. Very dark ("Dark side of GIMP" / compare to darktable's default 
theme)

2. Medium dark (compare to RawTherapee's default theme and Krita's
darkest theme, for people who like "dark but not that dark")
3. Middle gray ("Sea of Gray" / compare to Krita's Neutral theme)
4. Medium light ("Light side of GIMP"/ compare to Krita's two lighter
themes)
5. Very light (the Lighter theme from bug 759830, or depending on
feedback from people who prefer very light themes, maybe a touch
lighter?).



Elle you can see the original dark theme i had created for myself here
https://github.com/draekko/gimp-cc-themes you'll find it a tad lighter
than what i've submitted for GIMP



Maybe we could have that color scheme in between dark and middle gray?
That would give a bigger range theme tonality for most tastes with 
whats
already there. Tweaking the dark theme to that one could be done 
quickly

to have an alternative dark theme.


It seems to me that your original dark theme color scheme would make
an excellent "between dark and middle gray" theme.


As I switch themes, each time the toolbox gets one icon narrower, but
this doesn't start happening until I've switched themes several 
times,

not sure what triggers it.


Does it also happen with the Default & Small themes? I switch themes
(and reload them) a lot during testing and i haven't encountered that?
Could be something specific with icewm & gimp?


Upon further checking, I think this only happens when switching
between any of the new themes and the old Default & Small themes, but
not when switching between the new themes.


I just can't reproduce. Could you make a bug report?
And if you find reproducible steps, please include them.


Not sure if it matters, but some of the themes cause errors to be
printed to the terminal, for example:

config/themes/TheLightSideOfGimp/ui/null.png, borders don't fit within 
the image

config/themes/TheLightSideOfGimp/gtkrc:1688: Background image options
specified without filename
config/themes/TheLightSideOfGimp/gtkrc:1709: Overlay image options
specified without filename


Could you put down a comment on the corresponding bug reports that 
Draekko gave in his first email? This way, he won't forget to fix these.

Thanks again! :-)

Jehan


Elle

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Re: [Gimp-gui] Auto-shrink checkbox

[Jehan]

Hi,

On 2015-12-30 05:52, Georgy Grigoryev wrote:

In earlier versions of GIMP was a "auto-shrink checkbox". Than it was
replaced with button, which is more clear show what is the checkbox
doing. But it works only one time. If you extract a lot of elements
from frame it's tiring you for every element click button. I mean if
you have a checkbox to enable auto-shrink for every selection it will
be great. Button shrink selection one time, and checkbox enable
auto-shrink for all. What about that idea?


I didn't even know about the auto-shrink feature. That's cool.
The docs indeed speak of a checkbox 
(https://docs.gimp.org/en/gimp-tool-rect-select.html). I'm not sure when 
it has been changed and why.


I could imagine though that if you forget you checked this box, it can 
be confusing when later selection automatically shrink. This may have 
been the reason.
If shrinking selection is a very common usage of yours, why not set a 
keyboard shortcut for it? There is the "select-shrink" action. This may 
be better than making it automatic actually, no?


Jehan

Re: [Gimp-gui] GIMP Theme UI now and future.

[Ben]

On 12/29/2015 08:57 PM, Akkana Peck wrote:

draekko.software writes:

Maybe for starters offer input on the current Dark Theme and if there might
be interest in a new light & grey theme as well or any other suggestions for
that matter. You can find the themes here:

[ ... ]

Light Theme
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759648

Alternate Light Theme (Lighter, more color contrast on some items/widgets)
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759830

Both the light themes seem quite dark and not very contrasty
(with black text and icons) compared to the GIMP I currently see,
which has a background color of #dcdad5 rather than the #bdbdbd
used in both of the light themes for most icons and menus;
except the menus in the alternate light theme, which are pretty
close to what I see now in GIMP.

I'd like to see a theme option (whether or not it's the default)
that has similar contrast to the current theme; the new themes will
be harder to read for at least some users.

Or am I only seeing #dcdad5 because I changed my theme at some
point?  I'm pretty sure I don't have a custom GIMP theme (themerc
says: include "/usr/local/gimp-git/share/gimp/2.0/themes/Default/gtkrc");
my .gtkrc-2.0 says gtk-theme-name="Raleigh", and I don't think I
set that explicitly, I think it was the default at some point.

Will these new GIMP themes override the user's GTK theme?

I'm using Linux with Openbox, no desktop.




Which version of Gimp are you using? The themes are for 2.9.x/2.10.x.

You shouldn't be seeing those colors, I only get something like that if 
i override it with a local .gtkrc-2.0 file for the user i log in with. 
But since you mentioned that, your locally defined theme probably 
overrides some or all of the Gimp's chosen theme color values. So short 
answer seems to be no from what i tested here. Take a look at the 
screenshots from the bug reports to see what you should be getting (i 
updated them this morning).

[Gimp-gui] Auto-shrink checkbox

[Georgy Grigoryev]

In earlier versions of GIMP was a "auto-shrink checkbox". Than it was
replaced with button, which is more clear show what is the checkbox doing.
But it works only one time. If you extract a lot of elements from frame
it's tiring you for every element click button. I mean if you have a
checkbox to enable auto-shrink for every selection it will be great. Button
shrink selection one time, and checkbox enable auto-shrink for all. What
about that idea?

Re: [Gimp-gui] GIMP Theme UI now and future.

[Akkana Peck]

draekko.software writes:
> Maybe for starters offer input on the current Dark Theme and if there might
> be interest in a new light & grey theme as well or any other suggestions for
> that matter. You can find the themes here:
[ ... ]
> Light Theme
> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759648
> 
> Alternate Light Theme (Lighter, more color contrast on some items/widgets)
> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759830

Both the light themes seem quite dark and not very contrasty
(with black text and icons) compared to the GIMP I currently see,
which has a background color of #dcdad5 rather than the #bdbdbd
used in both of the light themes for most icons and menus;
except the menus in the alternate light theme, which are pretty
close to what I see now in GIMP.

I'd like to see a theme option (whether or not it's the default)
that has similar contrast to the current theme; the new themes will
be harder to read for at least some users.

Or am I only seeing #dcdad5 because I changed my theme at some
point?  I'm pretty sure I don't have a custom GIMP theme (themerc
says: include "/usr/local/gimp-git/share/gimp/2.0/themes/Default/gtkrc");
my .gtkrc-2.0 says gtk-theme-name="Raleigh", and I don't think I
set that explicitly, I think it was the default at some point.

Will these new GIMP themes override the user's GTK theme?

I'm using Linux with Openbox, no desktop.

...Akkana

Re: [Gimp-gui] GIMP Theme UI now and future.

[john smith]

On 29 December 2015 at 06:30, draekko.software
 wrote:
> There was a recent call sent out for new and updated assets for the next
> version of GIMP (icons, themes mainly) and some of those have started
> rolling in, i've submitted several themes myself and so far one has made it
> in. I was asked to get the ball rolling on the subject, so here it goes :)
> Maybe for starters offer input on the current Dark Theme and if there might
> be interest in a new light & grey theme as well or any other suggestions for
> that matter. You can find the themes here:
>
> Dark Theme
> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759649
>
> Grey Theme
> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759663
>
> Light Theme
> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759648
>
> Alternate Light Theme (Lighter, more color contrast on some items/widgets)
> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759830
>
> The links have screenshots, and 7z files with the theme asset (and the dark
> theme has patches for the gimp crew).
>
> So far i've tested the Dark Theme on KDE(Ubuntu/Plasma), Unity (Ubuntu),
> Windows 8.1 (and wine on Linux), OSX (Maverick) to make sure it had a
> consistent feel across platforms. The only caveats so far were under KDE
> where i had to toggle off the option " Apply colors to non-Qt applications"
> because without that KDE overrides some GTK widget theme colors and icons.
> As a side note i am currently awaiting feedback on the Dark Theme under KDE
> before applying the KDE tweaks i made there to the other themes.
>
> So guess have at it, let me and the GIMP crew know what you think.
>
>
>
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I liked the Dark theme, although I currently use a combination of
Cillop-Midnite 
(https://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Cillop-Midnite?content=47100)
theme and the Icons from Gimp Icon Theme FFlat32 (Flamini style)
(http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Gimp+Icon+Theme+FFlat32+%28Flamini+style%29?content=169060)

However, what I would like to see as an alternative to the current
shipped themes is an implementation of this:
http://mindscapestudios.blogspot.ca/2014/08/gimp-interface-redesign-as-graphic.html

John