[Gimp-user] transparent pixels while alpha channel?

2004-04-11 Thread Zhang Weiwu
Thank you Michael Schumacher for helping me on the IE transparent pixel 
problem last time.

Now I have a question: is it possible to create a png file with indexed 
color, with transparent pixels, while still have an alpha channel, so 
that the png file display alpha channel on cool browsers like Mozilla, 
while display transparent pixels on some inferior browser like IE as a 
fall-back mechanism? If GIMP cannot do it, can it be done in theory?

I know the question might be silly, because I can dig it out by RTFM. 
But I just wish a quick answer so I don't have to waste time on 
impossible things:)
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[Gimp-user] Re: transparent pixels while alpha channel?

2004-04-11 Thread GSR - FR
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (2004-04-11 at 2223.38 +0800):
 I know the question might be silly, because I can dig it out by RTFM. 

RTFPS, P of PNG and S of Spec. But I think GIMP does not support
saving indexed images in which the palette items are RGBA instead of
RGB. You could have tried, convert to index and see if GIMP keeps all
transparent areas or not.

GSR
 
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Re: [Gimp-user] transparent pixels while alpha channel?

2004-04-11 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

Zhang Weiwu [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Thank you Michael Schumacher for helping me on the IE transparent
 pixel problem last time.
 
 Now I have a question: is it possible to create a png file with
 indexed color, with transparent pixels, while still have an alpha
 channel, so that the png file display alpha channel on cool browsers
 like Mozilla, while display transparent pixels on some inferior
 browser like IE as a fall-back mechanism? If GIMP cannot do it, can it
 be done in theory?
 
 I know the question might be silly, because I can dig it out by
 RTFM. But I just wish a quick answer so I don't have to waste time on
 impossible things:)

The PNG file format supports it but GIMP can't create such files and I
have no idea how IE would render them

From http://www.libpng.org/pub/png/pngintro.html:

  But PNG supports alpha information with palette images as well; it's
  just slightly harder to implement in a smart way. A PNG
  alpha-palette image is just that: an image whose palette also has
  alpha information associated with it, not a palette image with a
  full alpha mask. In other words, each pixel corresponds to an entry
  in the palette with red, green, blue and alpha components. So if you
  want to have bright red pixels with four different levels of
  transparency, you must use four separate palette entries to
  accommodate them. (All four entries will have identical RGB
  components, but the alpha values will differ.) If you want all of
  your colors to have four levels of transparency, you've effectively
  reduced your total number of available colors from 256 to 64.


Sven
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Re: [Gimp-user] transparent pixels while alpha channel?

2004-04-11 Thread Geoffrey
Zhang Weiwu wrote:
Thank you Michael Schumacher for helping me on the IE transparent pixel 
problem last time.

Now I have a question: is it possible to create a png file with indexed 
color, with transparent pixels, while still have an alpha channel, so 
that the png file display alpha channel on cool browsers like Mozilla, 
while display transparent pixels on some inferior browser like IE as a 
fall-back mechanism? If GIMP cannot do it, can it be done in theory?
Likely your best solution, although a pain in the posterior, would be to 
create two images and then use a bit of javascript to present the proper 
image depending on the browser...

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Until later, Geoffrey Registered Linux User #108567
Building secure systems in spite of Microsoft
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[Gimp-user] fontconfig and gimp

2004-04-11 Thread johan
Hi,

I have something weard : i just installed gimp 2.0, once tried from
.deb, once from source. When I open gimp i receive the following message
: 
gimp message : fontconfig version too old, The GIMP requires fontconfig
version 2.2.0 or later.
Installed fontconfig version is 1.0.2.

Somehow you or your software packager managed
to install The GIMP with an older fontconfig version.

Please upgrade to fontconfig version 2.2.0 or later.

This is really strange, since i have version 2.2.2 of fontconfig
dpkg -l fontconfig
ii  fontconfig 2.2.2-2generic font configuration library

Anybody has an idea ? (I have Xfree4.2.1)
Greetings,
Johan


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Re: [Gimp-user] fontconfig and gimp

2004-04-11 Thread Manish Singh
On Sun, Apr 11, 2004 at 08:18:43PM +0200, johan wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I have something weard : i just installed gimp 2.0, once tried from
 .deb, once from source. When I open gimp i receive the following message
 : 
 gimp message : fontconfig version too old, The GIMP requires fontconfig
 version 2.2.0 or later.
 Installed fontconfig version is 1.0.2.
 
 Somehow you or your software packager managed
 to install The GIMP with an older fontconfig version.
 
 Please upgrade to fontconfig version 2.2.0 or later.
 
 This is really strange, since i have version 2.2.2 of fontconfig
 dpkg -l fontconfig
 ii  fontconfig 2.2.2-2generic font configuration library
 
 Anybody has an idea ? (I have Xfree4.2.1)

You have more than one fontconfig library on your system. The debian one
is in /usr/lib, you likely have another one in /usr/X11R6/lib or
/usr/local/lib. You can run ldd on the gimp binary to find the path of
the library it's using.

This message has been improved for 2.0.1 to clarify this situation,
because it seems quite some number of naughty people don't keep track of what
they installed on their system by hand..


-Yosh
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