Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Nobody does it better [was Re: when even free advertising fails]
On Wed, May 11, 2005 at 11:28:39PM +0100, Alan Horkan wrote: On Wed, 11 May 2005, Olivier Ripoll wrote: * The availability of three scripting languages, one of them being actually easy to understand (guess which ;) ) I recognise how usefult this functionality is and I make use of it myself but sorry to be pessimistic, compared to using command line tool or the automation tools in Photoshop and the ability to record Actions/Macros/Scripts in Photoshop I cannot consider this an outstanding feature of the gimp. I had to learn the various scripting languages but even to people who already know the languages I cannot imagine that is easier than saving a list of actions from the Undo history or any similar Macro Recorder. it is a strength that photoshop users have, to only be able to write for one app. those poor unfortunate gimp users who can write for several applications after going through that grueling task of learning a syntax. gimp will never be as good as photoshop and gimp-users simply will never be very strong since they can spread their knowledge around to so many things. gah! python and perl both work directly at the os level!! when will we learn! carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: Nobody does it better [was Re: when even free advertising fails]
Alan Horkan wrote: [please trim the subject line in your responses] What can the GNU Image Manipulation Program do that Adobe Photoshop cannot do? Please do tell. I have recently pointed out that the gimp allows you to have files with multiple layers in Indexed Mode and photoshop does not. I would like to be able to expand on this list of things I know the gimp can do better. Hi Alan, * There is the possibility to use Gimp as a server like for http://www.flamingtext.com/ http://cooltext.com/ I guess this will not be considered a big plus untill google introduces some similar tool. * The availability of three scripting languages, one of them being actually easy to understand (guess which ;) ) * I seem to remember that it was mentionned that Gimp can load some pictures with large dimensions (like 1*N N being very large) while PS fails (I am not talking about N*M, where N and M are big here). I think a scientific person add raised this point last year. * The recent possibility to use gimp without interface. * The possibility to use it on *nix systems. This is useful for companies using linux farms. * 64 bits ready ! Sure, some of the points apply to niche markets. But CYMK is mostly useless for most personal use (web, home printing) and so also relates to some small market share (same for 16bits per channels and floating points). Best regards, Olivier. I would very sincerely be interested to know other things you can do with the GNU Image manipulation program that cannot be done with other software, particuarly things that cannot be done in Adobe Photoshop. No need to go into the obvious well known issues of price, and Free Software which although important have been discussed to death many times before and are usually given as the best reasons for using the gimp (they are very good reasons). - Alan H. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Nobody does it better [was Re: when even free advertising fails]
On Wed, 11 May 2005, Olivier Ripoll wrote: Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 10:50:34 +0200 From: Olivier Ripoll [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu Subject: [Gimp-user] Re: Nobody does it better [was Re: when even free advertising fails] Alan Horkan wrote: [please trim the subject line in your responses] What can the GNU Image Manipulation Program do that Adobe Photoshop cannot do? Please do tell. I have recently pointed out that the gimp allows you to have files with multiple layers in Indexed Mode and photoshop does not. I would like to be able to expand on this list of things I know the gimp can do better. Hi Alan, * There is the possibility to use Gimp as a server like for http://www.flamingtext.com/ http://cooltext.com/ I guess this will not be considered a big plus untill google introduces some similar tool. Running the gimp headless is definately a big deal, thanks for reminding me of this functionality. * The availability of three scripting languages, one of them being actually easy to understand (guess which ;) ) I recognise how usefult this functionality is and I make use of it myself but sorry to be pessimistic, compared to using command line tool or the automation tools in Photoshop and the ability to record Actions/Macros/Scripts in Photoshop I cannot consider this an outstanding feature of the gimp. I had to learn the various scripting languages but even to people who already know the languages I cannot imagine that is easier than saving a list of actions from the Undo history or any similar Macro Recorder. * I seem to remember that it was mentionned that Gimp can load some pictures with large dimensions (like 1*N N being very large) while PS fails (I am not talking about N*M, where N and M are big here). I think a scientific person add raised this point last year. Good point. With the right configuration the tile based architecture allows user to manipulate some very large files. * The recent possibility to use gimp without interface. This seems almost the same as running it as server. * The possibility to use it on *nix systems. This is useful for companies using linux farms. This is already well known and I was hoping people would concentrate on user level features and maybe try and make direct comparisons and give reasons to use the gimp on platforms that also have Photoshop available. * 64 bits ready ! Based on comments Sven has made I am not sure how much difference it would really make, but again with the source code freely available there is a lot more potential. Sure, some of the points apply to niche markets. But CYMK is mostly useless for most personal use (web, home printing) and so also relates to some small market share (same for 16bits per channels and floating points). With the recent take-over of Macromedia by Adobe I took a closer look at Macromedia Fireworks. The gimp makes many things possible but fireworks deliberately focusses on particularly tasks and streamlines the process of creating certain types of graphics. There is not much a talented artists cannot do with mspaint, what is important is how convenient and easy a program makes it achieve common tasks, at least in my not so humble opinion. Best regards, Olivier. Thanks for the information, sometimes it is all too easy to forget exactly what the strengths of the gimp are. Sincerely Alan Horkan ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user