[Gimp-user] Working with imported images and layers
This, besides the text tool, is probably one of the most unintuitive features in Gimp. - Find an image on Google / hard drive. - Drop it into your working area. - Change it's transparency. - Resize / Rotate and, suddenly, the transparency reverts to original state. This last step makes no sense. I changed its transparency for a reason and it must stay that way until I say so. A similar scenario is if I have that image on a layer that is below other layers. The moment I resize or rotate, it suddenly appears above all the layers, making editing incredibly unintuitive and inaccurate. Will this be improved upon in the next Gimp? ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Working with imported images and layers
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 12:32 AM, Fred J fokju...@gmail.com wrote: ** This, besides the text tool, is probably one of the most unintuitive features in Gimp. - Find an image on Google / hard drive. - Drop it into your working area. - Change it's transparency. - Resize / Rotate and, suddenly, the transparency reverts to original state. This last step makes no sense. I changed its transparency for a reason and it must stay that way until I say so. And it does stay that way. Currently, we have an opacity control in the transform dialog. This defaults to 100% IIRC. It only effects the *display* during transform. The opacity setting of the layer is unaffected, it's simply not in operation during that time. (There are various logical problems with using the layer's opacity during transforms... eg, transforming part of a layer - overlapping parts are inaccurate, and non-overlapping parts may be inaccurate if the layer has no alpha channel. Same applies to transforming a whole layer.. because the original is not, and must not be, hidden during the transform, inheriting the layer opacity causes problems with the accuracy of the display) ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Working with imported images and layers
Try the same function in Photoshop and you'll see that it is not inaccurate. If you put a layer below other layers, and then work on them, there is no reason why it should suddenly display above all the layers, at full opacity. How I am supposed to see behind it? If I wanted it in front of the other layers, then I'd put it above the other layers. It needn't be displayed in front of / above the layers behind / below which I've placed it. This makes for very inaccurate graphic design, and a lot more inaccurate than what you're describing. On 31/07/2011 17:13, David Gowers (kampu) wrote: On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 12:32 AM, Fred J fokju...@gmail.com mailto:fokju...@gmail.com wrote: This, besides the text tool, is probably one of the most unintuitive features in Gimp. - Find an image on Google / hard drive. - Drop it into your working area. - Change it's transparency. - Resize / Rotate and, suddenly, the transparency reverts to original state. This last step makes no sense. I changed its transparency for a reason and it must stay that way until I say so. And it does stay that way. Currently, we have an opacity control in the transform dialog. This defaults to 100% IIRC. It only effects the *display* during transform. The opacity setting of the layer is unaffected, it's simply not in operation during that time. (There are various logical problems with using the layer's opacity during transforms... eg, transforming part of a layer - overlapping parts are inaccurate, and non-overlapping parts may be inaccurate if the layer has no alpha channel. Same applies to transforming a whole layer.. because the original is not, and must not be, hidden during the transform, inheriting the layer opacity causes problems with the accuracy of the display) ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Working with imported images and layers
This defaults to 100% IIRC. It only effects the *display* during transform. This is the time when it shouldn't display at 100%. Let's say I have a bunch of layers with various graphical elements. The one at the bottom is a photo that needs to be scaled up and rotated, so that it fits in better with the layers above it. The moment I attempt that, I am no longer able to see my layers because the photo layer is now displaying above everything. What now? It becomes hit-and-miss guesswork, which is counter intuitive. On 31/07/2011 17:13, David Gowers (kampu) wrote: On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 12:32 AM, Fred J fokju...@gmail.com mailto:fokju...@gmail.com wrote: This, besides the text tool, is probably one of the most unintuitive features in Gimp. - Find an image on Google / hard drive. - Drop it into your working area. - Change it's transparency. - Resize / Rotate and, suddenly, the transparency reverts to original state. This last step makes no sense. I changed its transparency for a reason and it must stay that way until I say so. And it does stay that way. Currently, we have an opacity control in the transform dialog. This defaults to 100% IIRC. It only effects the *display* during transform. The opacity setting of the layer is unaffected, it's simply not in operation during that time. (There are various logical problems with using the layer's opacity during transforms... eg, transforming part of a layer - overlapping parts are inaccurate, and non-overlapping parts may be inaccurate if the layer has no alpha channel. Same applies to transforming a whole layer.. because the original is not, and must not be, hidden during the transform, inheriting the layer opacity causes problems with the accuracy of the display) ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Working with imported images and layers
On 07/31/2011 05:32 PM, Fred J wrote: This defaults to 100% IIRC. It only effects the *display* during transform. This is the time when it shouldn't display at 100%. Let's say I have a bunch of layers with various graphical elements. The one at the bottom is a photo that needs to be scaled up and rotated, so that it fits in better with the layers above it. The moment I attempt that, I am no longer able to see my layers because the photo layer is now displaying above everything. What now? It becomes hit-and-miss guesswork, which is counter intuitive. That's why there is an opacity control in the layer transform tools (rotate/scale/shear/perpective) and why it applies only during the transform. Btw if you are trying to move two layers to makje them match, there is an exact-aligner' plugin which does everything in one transform (avoids blurriness). You pick two points on one layer, two points on the other, and it figures out the scale/rotation/offset to apply to the second to make the pair of points match: http://registry.gimp.org/node/18961 ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
