Re: [Gimp-user] confirm 2a3825098e54d3a429da74d094c0460ac6cb01e1

[Alexandre Prokoudine]

On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 10:29 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:

>> gimp-print-devel@, however, is a mailing list by a 3rd party project.
>> It's also a somewhat outdated mailing list name, because the project
>> has been known as Gutenprint for quite a long time now.
>>
>> Alex
>
> Humm, is there now a Gutenprint-devel list?

No, there isn't one. I only pointed that out because the lists's name
might confuse someone into thinking that the list is maintained by
GIMP developers. The Gutenprint team did not complete the rebranding
for some reason, so there are some "loose ends" (if I may say so).

Alex
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Re: [Gimp-user] confirm 2a3825098e54d3a429da74d094c0460ac6cb01e1

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 24 June 2016 13:15:38 Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

> On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 7:30 PM, Richard wrote:
> >> > gimp-print-devel-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net wrote:
> >>
> >>   ^^
> >>
> >> Well, this is a different mailing list. On a different list server.
> >
> > So gimp-user-list and gimp-developer-list (both @gnome.org) are
> > processed by different servers?
>
> By the same one, on gnome.org.
>
> gimp-print-devel@, however, is a mailing list by a 3rd party project.
> It's also a somewhat outdated mailing list name, because the project
> has been known as Gutenprint for quite a long time now.
>
> Alex

Humm, is there now a Gutenprint-devel list?  Perhaps thats the one I 
should be "copying"?

Thanks.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: [Gimp-user] confirm 2a3825098e54d3a429da74d094c0460ac6cb01e1

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 24 June 2016 12:55:06 Michael Schumacher wrote:

> On 06/24/2016 06:30 PM, Richard wrote:
> >> From: schum...@gmx.de
> >> To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org
> >> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 08:41:44 +0200
> >> Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] confirm
> >> 2a3825098e54d3a429da74d094c0460ac6cb01e1
> >>
> >>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 23. Juni 2016 um 06:11 Uhr
> >>> Von: "Gene Heskett" 
> >>> An: gimp-user-list@gnome.org
> >>> Betreff: Re: [Gimp-user] confirm
> >>> 2a3825098e54d3a429da74d094c0460ac6cb01e1
> >>>
> >>> On Wednesday 22 June 2016 20:18:24
> >>> gimp-print-devel-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net wrote:
> >>
> >>   ^^
> >>
> >> Well, this is a different mailing list. On a different list server.
> >
> > So gimp-user-list and gimp-developer-list (both @gnome.org) are
> > processed by different servers?
> >
> > That does seem odd, at first, but IIRC I did have to register on it
> > separately
>
> Gene has forwarded a list membership warning mail sent from a mailing
> list server at SourceForge, which manages the gimp-print-devel
>
> As you have correctly stated, we maintain the gimp lists on the
> mail.gnome.org server, and so can't do anything about the SF list
> configuration.
>
>
> P.S. The message also contains a list membership password - which has
> been changed by now, I hope?

I probably should, but with a pw that short, I am still grappling with 
the fact that it doesn't appear to have ever been hacked in the 
nominally decade I've been subbed to that list. OTOH, that list or 
myself are "low value" targets I guess.  In any event, its an 
automatically generated pw, one that needs to be 3 or 4x longer before 
any claims about pw security are claimed.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: [Gimp-user] confirm 2a3825098e54d3a429da74d094c0460ac6cb01e1

[Alexandre Prokoudine]

On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 7:30 PM, Richard wrote:

>> > gimp-print-devel-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net wrote:
>>   ^^
>>
>> Well, this is a different mailing list. On a different list server.
>
> So gimp-user-list and gimp-developer-list (both @gnome.org) are processed by 
> different servers?

By the same one, on gnome.org.

gimp-print-devel@, however, is a mailing list by a 3rd party project.
It's also a somewhat outdated mailing list name, because the project
has been known as Gutenprint for quite a long time now.

Alex
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Re: [Gimp-user] confirm 2a3825098e54d3a429da74d094c0460ac6cb01e1

[Michael Schumacher]

On 06/24/2016 06:30 PM, Richard wrote:
>> From: schum...@gmx.de
>> To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org
>> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 08:41:44 +0200
>> Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] confirm 2a3825098e54d3a429da74d094c0460ac6cb01e1
>>
>>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 23. Juni 2016 um 06:11 Uhr
>>> Von: "Gene Heskett" 
>>> An: gimp-user-list@gnome.org
>>> Betreff: Re: [Gimp-user] confirm 2a3825098e54d3a429da74d094c0460ac6cb01e1
>>>
>>> On Wednesday 22 June 2016 20:18:24 
>>> gimp-print-devel-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net wrote:
>>   ^^
>>
>> Well, this is a different mailing list. On a different list server.
> 
> So gimp-user-list and gimp-developer-list (both @gnome.org) are processed by 
> different servers?
> 
> That does seem odd, at first, but IIRC I did have to register on it 
> separately

Gene has forwarded a list membership warning mail sent from a mailing
list server at SourceForge, which manages the gimp-print-devel

As you have correctly stated, we maintain the gimp lists on the
mail.gnome.org server, and so can't do anything about the SF list
configuration.


P.S. The message also contains a list membership password - which has
been changed by now, I hope?

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Re: [Gimp-user] confirm 2a3825098e54d3a429da74d094c0460ac6cb01e1

[Richard]

> From: schum...@gmx.de
> To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org
> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 08:41:44 +0200
> Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] confirm 2a3825098e54d3a429da74d094c0460ac6cb01e1
> 
> > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 23. Juni 2016 um 06:11 Uhr
> > Von: "Gene Heskett" 
> > An: gimp-user-list@gnome.org
> > Betreff: Re: [Gimp-user] confirm 2a3825098e54d3a429da74d094c0460ac6cb01e1
> >
> > On Wednesday 22 June 2016 20:18:24 
> > gimp-print-devel-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net wrote:
>   ^^
> 
> Well, this is a different mailing list. On a different list server.

So gimp-user-list and gimp-developer-list (both @gnome.org) are processed by 
different servers?

That does seem odd, at first, but IIRC I did have to register on it 
separately

-- Stratadrake
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Numbers may not lie, but neither do they tell the whole truth.
  
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Re: [Gimp-user] import files into GIMP?

[Alexandre Prokoudine]

On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 12:02 AM, apee wrote:

> There's no File>Import pull-down menu option

There never was one, as far as I can tell.You are looking for File ->
Open as Layer.

Alex
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Re: [Gimp-user] confirm 2a3825098e54d3a429da74d094c0460ac6cb01e1

[Michael Schumacher]

On 06/24/2016 04:15 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Friday 24 June 2016 02:50:32 Michael Schumacher wrote:

>> Also, you are alternating between different sender addresses -
>> @shentel.net and @wdtv.com. The latter is not subscribed to the
>> gimp-user mailing lists and ends up in the moderation queue.
> 
> That should not have happened as my account on that server has been 
> removed, but to be sure I just removed the wdtv.com from the sending 
> choices so it can't "catch me up".

You are still sending with this address.


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Re: [Gimp-user] confirm 2a3825098e54d3a429da74d094c0460ac6cb01e1

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 24 June 2016 02:50:32 Michael Schumacher wrote:

> > Gesendet: Freitag, 24. Juni 2016 um 04:06 Uhr
> > Von: "Gene Heskett" 
> > An: Richard 
> > Cc: "gimp-user-list@gnome.org" 
> > Betreff: Re: [Gimp-user] confirm
> > 2a3825098e54d3a429da74d094c0460ac6cb01e1
> >
> > I got one yesterday threatening to remove me if I got one more
> > bounce. For 1, count 'em (according to the message) bounce. Hello,
> > this is the internet folks, stuff happens!
> >
> > IMO the one bounce and you're out sucks dead toads thru soda straws,
> > particularly in view of the worsening infrastructure of the US in
> > the last 20 years.
>
> It's "one more bounce". Meaning that you have had many of them before
> - so you could go check the list archives and see how many of the
> messages you didn't receive, and then ask your mail provide why you
> didn't receive them.

That is an automatic 30 minute phone call because I have to convince each 
flunky answering the phone that I need to talk to someone about an email 
problem.  There is at least 4 layers of useless dweebs before I get to 
someone who at least knows what fetchmail or linux is. I only make that 
call when things are really stuffed.

That is not what the server message says. The server's message always 
says one bounce, and quotes the bounced message, the frequency of the 
messages is about monthly.  The bounce score in the message is under 2%.  
And yet I am being threatened with an automatic ubsubscribe?  It doesn't 
figure.

> Also, you are alternating between different sender addresses -
> @shentel.net and @wdtv.com. The latter is not subscribed to the
> gimp-user mailing lists and ends up in the moderation queue.

That should not have happened as my account on that server has been 
removed, but to be sure I just removed the wdtv.com from the sending 
choices so it can't "catch me up".

Thanks.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: [Gimp-user] confirm 2a3825098e54d3a429da74d094c0460ac6cb01e1

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 23 June 2016 22:26:19 Patrick Shanahan wrote:

> * Gene Heskett  [06-23-16 22:08]:
> > On Thursday 23 June 2016 11:47:13 Richard wrote:
> > > > From: ghesk...@shentel.net
> > > > To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org
> > > > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 00:11:28 -0400
> > > > Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] confirm
> > > > 2a3825098e54d3a429da74d094c0460ac6cb01e1
> > > >
> > > > On Wednesday 22 June 2016 20:18:24
> > > >
> > > > gimp-print-devel-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net wrote:
> > > > > Your membership in the mailing list Gimp-print-devel has been
> > > > > disabled due to excessive bounces [ . . . ]
> > >
> > > Some time ago I received a similar message from
> > > gimp-developer-list. I was a little confused (and suspicious)
> > > since I have never received such a message from gimp-user-list. 
> > > (Incidentally, I have not received any messages from
> > > gimp-developer-list since then; maybe it was legit.)
> > >
> > > Can anyone share further information about this?
> >
> > IDK ATM. I am in central WV, much of which has been either in the
> > dark for the last 15 hours, or listening to standby generator, which
> > I have, a 20kw nat gas automatic.  It started at about 3:22 this
> > morning, and finally shut down for the last time about 18:07 this
> > evening.
> >
> > I got one yesterday threatening to remove me if I got one more
> > bounce. For 1, count 'em (according to the message) bounce. Hello,
> > this is the internet folks, stuff happens!
> >
> > IMO the one bounce and you're out sucks dead toads thru soda straws,
> > particularly in view of the worsening infrastructure of the US in
> > the last 20 years.
> >
> > I am on shentel.net for both internet and phone, did that several
> > years ago when verizon's old copper got so bad I was out of a phone
> > for all but 2 weeks of the first 4 months of the year, and verizon
> > had the unmitigated gaul to get their knickers in a knot over my
> > "harrassing" them by calling the P.U.C., which can lean on them
> > legally if they have to.  At that point I didn't have, nor could I
> > find, a quarter to call somebody that cared as I damned sure didn't
> > when a working phone is part of a COPD victims (my wife) lifeline. 
> > Shentel is doing their email server someplace in the "cloud" and its
> > scary fast, so I've no clue why they would ever bounce a mailing
> > list message addressed to me.
> >
> > But this msg even though my filters seem to have missfired, is being
> > CC:'d back to the list just to see if I have well and truly been
> > un-subscribed.
> >
> > I wish I knew what their reasoning is.  But those people can't be
> > bothered to respond to a list member, beneath their dignity or ???
> >
> > > -- Stratadrake
> > > strata_ran...@hotmail.com
> > > 
> > > Numbers may not lie, but neither do they tell the whole truth.
>
> your mail, the mail in question, was not cc'd "back to the list".  It
> was addressed directly to the list.  Perhaps you erred.

It went out of here addressed to you, and CC:d to the list. And I now 
have 2 copies of it from the list, only one of which shows it was To: 
the list.

It didn't leave here addressed To: the list.  To: you, and CC:'d to the 
list, but this discussion is overshadowing my complaint.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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[Gimp-user] import files into GIMP?

[apee]

I'm running GIMP 2.8.16 on a MacBook OS 10.6.8

There's no File>Import pull-down menu option, or let's say I cannot find one in
the rev I downloaded a few days ago. I've seen this on the YouTube
how-to-videos. I want to bring other files into separate layers so I can create
an edited composite. But I cannot open/import/drag a second file into a newly
created layer, the original layer, or any other. Please advise on how to do this
asap. Thank you for your help. Cheers!

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Re: [Gimp-user] confirm 2a3825098e54d3a429da74d094c0460ac6cb01e1

[Michael Schumacher]

> Gesendet: Freitag, 24. Juni 2016 um 04:06 Uhr
> Von: "Gene Heskett" 
> An: Richard 
> Cc: "gimp-user-list@gnome.org" 
> Betreff: Re: [Gimp-user] confirm 2a3825098e54d3a429da74d094c0460ac6cb01e1

> I got one yesterday threatening to remove me if I got one more bounce.  
> For 1, count 'em (according to the message) bounce. Hello, this is the 
> internet folks, stuff happens!
> 
> IMO the one bounce and you're out sucks dead toads thru soda straws, 
> particularly in view of the worsening infrastructure of the US in the 
> last 20 years.

It's "one more bounce". Meaning that you have had many of them before - so you 
could go check the list archives and see how many of the messages you didn't 
receive, and then ask your mail provide why you didn't receive them.

Also, you are alternating between different sender addresses - @shentel.net and 
@wdtv.com. The latter is not subscribed to the gimp-user mailing lists and ends 
up in the moderation queue.



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Re: [Gimp-user] confirm 2a3825098e54d3a429da74d094c0460ac6cb01e1

[Michael Schumacher]

> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 23. Juni 2016 um 06:11 Uhr
> Von: "Gene Heskett" 
> An: gimp-user-list@gnome.org
> Betreff: Re: [Gimp-user] confirm 2a3825098e54d3a429da74d094c0460ac6cb01e1
>
> On Wednesday 22 June 2016 20:18:24 
> gimp-print-devel-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net wrote:
  ^^

Well, this is a different mailing list. On a different list server.


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