Re: [Gimp-user] Announcement: this mailing list will be retired by the end of Oct 2022
Hi, I’ve received several questions during the past days which possibly makes sense to summarize in a single topic [1] which I can then reference. Hopefully this specific post will help anyone looking for the same set of answers as well. If any additional common question arises I’ll make sure to add it to this same topic in Discourse. Thanks and please let us know if you have any questions around Discourse or your onboarding process! [1] https://discourse.gnome.org/t/common-questions-re-mailman-to-discourse/11841 On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 1:09 PM Andrea Veri wrote: > Hi, > > As we have been communicating during the past few months GNOME's Mailman > platform is being decommissioned (python2 deprecation, major burden in > managing lists spam). The deadline is currently set to the end of October > 2022. Mailing list subscribers are invited to migrate to GNOME's Discourse > instance [1]. Neil made sure [2] to create a set of tags you can re-use to > initiate a new topic in the new platform, if a tag is missing please reach > out to me directly. > > Jehan (from the GIMP Team) kindly provided some instructions you can > follow [3] in order to safely migrate your reading workflow to Discourse. > The new platform supports several login methods including your GNOME > Account and other major OpenID providers. > > After the deadline of the end of October Mailman archives will remain > alive in read only mode for posterity. If the mailing list was used behind > an alias, please let me know so we can re-do the same setup but on > Discourse instead. > > Thanks, > > P.S All the l10n lists are still pending code changes in damned-lies, the > deadline to decommission those lists may slip by a week or two depending > how soon those changes will be made available in DL codebase > > [1] https://discourse.gnome.org > [2] > https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2022-September/msg00018.html > [3] > https://discourse.gnome.org/t/welcome-to-gimp-forum-on-gnome-discourse/11534/5 > > -- > Cheers, > Andrea > > Principal Systems Engineer at Red Hat, > GNOME Infrastructure Team Coordinator, > Former GNOME Foundation Board of Directors Secretary, > GNOME Foundation Membership & Elections Committee Chairman > > Homepage: https://www.dragonsreach.it > -- Cheers, Andrea Principal Systems Engineer at Red Hat, GNOME Infrastructure Team Coordinator, Former GNOME Foundation Board of Directors Secretary, GNOME Foundation Membership & Elections Committee Chairman Homepage: https://www.dragonsreach.it ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] [rebellion attempt] Fight back!
I’m a GIMP user. I haven’t written code since the days of WATFOR. So whatfor all this kerfluffll? I don’t care if it’s a mailing list (I can deal with ancient technology. I’m a retired geologist. Banging two rocks together is old school, but we still do it.) Mailing lists are fine. So are more modern things … like color monitors. I really don’t give a rodent’s derriere. If I need help, I want help. If someone else needs help I can give, I give it. In neither case do I care what format it takes, as long as I can read it and they can read it. The fact is that people resist change. They don’t want to get out of their comfortable rut. I understand and sympathize. However, change is inevitable, and this is not change for its own sake. If the folks writing GIMP’s code are fine with it, that’s all I need to know. Change and adaptation are life. Anything else is death. Change happens. Adapt. Overcome. Or die. Having nearly done the latter three times, not counting near misses, I choose the two former. This debate is … absurd. Let’s get back to creating, whether it’s code or some other art form. Ross > On Oct 23, 2022, at 6:21 PM, Liam R E Quin wrote: > > On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 21:59 +0800, Bret Busby via gimp-user-list wrote: >> >> The ending of support for gnome products, especially for The GIMP and >> for gedit, is disappointing, > > It is untrue. There is no ending of support. > > The mailing list is moving to Discourse, yes. You can interact with > Discourse using email. > > IRC, Discord, Mastodon, Twitter, continue to exist. > > Gitlab issues continue to exist. There's even an official Facebook > page. > > liam (demib0y / ankh) > > -- > Liam Quin - delightfulcomputing.com > Cancer gofundme https://www.gofundme.com/f/5u9v7-every-little-helps > Vintage pictures & texts https://www.fromoldbooks.org/ > ___ > gimp-user-list mailing list > List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org > List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list > List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] [rebellion attempt] Fight back!
On Tue, 2022-10-25 at 21:28 -0500, Ross Martinek wrote: > This debate is … absurd. Hi, have you already signed up? A lot of users tested Discourse. I'm one of them. Note, you can only send a request, if you reach "Level 1". It's not absurd to fight gamification. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamification#Criticism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamification I'm absolutely not a mentally immobile dino. I way more often fight for changes. In this case there are several reasons to fight against this step into the wrong direction. One reason is, that it does split the community to gains absolutely nothing. Btw. I'm using a major distro, that is a real rolling release, following upstream as close as possible. It's approach isn't user-friendliness, it does follow the user-centric approach. IOW I'm used to software changes and I make my homework on my own. Arch Linux migrated from Mailman 2, to Mailman 3, see https://lists.archlinux.org/mailman3/lists/arch-general.lists.archlinux.org/ --> "Postorius Documentation" [ https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/postorius/en/latest/ ] Requirements Postorius requires Python 3.7+. The minimum Django version is 3.2. Postorius needs a running version of GNU Mailman version 3.3.5." "https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/hyperkitty/en/latest/ Why HyperKitty? Mailman is in need for replacement of its default Pipermail archiver. It is over 10 years old, users’ expectations have changed and their requirements are more sophisticated than the current archiver can deliver on. Mailman3 is the currently under active development and it offers a pluggable architecture where multiple archivers can be plugged to the core without too much pain. Some of the drawbacks of Pipermail : It does not support stable URLs. It has scalability issues (it was not suitable for organizations working with hundred of thousand of messages per day, e.g, Launchpad) The web interface is dated and does not output standards-compliant HTML nor does it take advantage of new technologies such as AJAX. The HyperKitty archiver addresses most of the drawbacks of Pipermail." That the GNOME foundation spread untruth related to Mailman is already a reason to fight back! Regards, Ralf ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list List archives: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list
