Re: Aw: Re: [PATCH 1/3] Remove outdated/missleading/irrelevant entries from glossary-content.txt

2013-04-02 Thread Junio C Hamano
Thomas Ackermann  writes:

>> Even though I personally am slightly in favor of removal, I suspect
>> that is primarily because I already know what Git tag is, and it is
>> different from the type tag in the Lisp-speak.
>> 
> I assumed the cardinality of the set of Lisp users is so small that
> this addition will confuse more people than help somebody.
>
>> The text indeed has a room for improvement, but it probably makes
>> sense to have an entry for `directory` here, as folks who are used
>> to say "Folders" may not know what it is.
>> 
> I assumed the number of such people so low that it's not worth
> to keep this - to most people obvious - explanation.

For the above two (they are of the same theme) to help one audience,
I tend to be cautious and try not to say "I don't fall into the
target audience, and to me it is misleading/irrelevant, so let's
remove it".

>> Which one of outdated, misleading or irrelevant category does this
>> fall into?  It certainly is not outdated (diff --cc/-c is often a
>> way to view evil merges), the text defines what an evil merge is
>> precisely and I do not think it is misleading.  Is it irrelevant?
>> 
> I considered it "irrelevant" because it tries to define 
> "evil merge" which is - at least to my experience - not used
> as some kind of well known notion. But I might of course be wrong.

In a merge-heavy workflow, evil merges have to happen from time to
time, and it is a good concept to know about.

I however think the description is too literal and it does not lead
to the understanding of what it is used for.  I see a few questions
on the stackoverflow with unsatisfactory literal answers, too.

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Aw: Re: [PATCH 1/3] Remove outdated/missleading/irrelevant entries from glossary-content.txt

2013-04-02 Thread Thomas Ackermann
 
> 
> The text indeed has a room for improvement, but it probably makes
> sense to have an entry for `directory` here, as folks who are used
> to say "Folders" may not know what it is.
> 
I assumed the number of such people so low that it's not worth
to keep this - to most people obvious - explanation.

> 
> Which one of outdated, misleading or irrelevant category does this
> fall into?  It certainly is not outdated (diff --cc/-c is often a
> way to view evil merges), the text defines what an evil merge is
> precisely and I do not think it is misleading.  Is it irrelevant?
> 
I considered it "irrelevant" because it tries to define 
"evil merge" which is - at least to my experience - not used
as some kind of well known notion. But I might of course be wrong.

> 
> Even though I personally am slightly in favor of removal, I suspect
> that is primarily because I already know what Git tag is, and it is
> different from the type tag in the Lisp-speak.
> 
I assumed the cardinality of the set of Lisp users is so small that
this addition will confuse more people than help somebody.


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Re: [PATCH 1/3] Remove outdated/missleading/irrelevant entries from glossary-content.txt

2013-04-02 Thread Junio C Hamano
Thomas Ackermann  writes:

> -[[def_directory]]directory::
> - The list you get with "ls" :-)
> -

The text indeed has a room for improvement, but it probably makes
sense to have an entry for `directory` here, as folks who are used
to say "Folders" may not know what it is.

> -[[def_evil_merge]]evil merge::
> - An evil merge is a <> that introduces changes that
> - do not appear in any <>.

Which one of outdated, misleading or irrelevant category does this
fall into?  It certainly is not outdated (diff --cc/-c is often a
way to view evil merges), the text defines what an evil merge is
precisely and I do not think it is misleading.  Is it irrelevant?

> @@ -468,9 +452,7 @@ should not be combined with other pathspec.
>   object of an arbitrary type (typically a tag points to either a
>   <> or a <>).
>   In contrast to a <>, a tag is not updated by
> - the `commit` command. A Git tag has nothing to do with a Lisp
> - tag (which would be called an <>
> - in Git's context). A tag is most typically used to mark a particular
> + the `commit` command. A tag is most typically used to mark a particular
>   point in the commit ancestry <>.

Even though I personally am slightly in favor of removal, I suspect
that is primarily because I already know what Git tag is, and it is
different from the type tag in the Lisp-speak.

It's similar in spirit why I would prefer to keep `directory` to
help people who speak of "Folders".

Other changes in this patch look OK to me.
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[PATCH 1/3] Remove outdated/missleading/irrelevant entries from glossary-content.txt

2013-04-02 Thread Thomas Ackermann

Signed-off-by: Thomas Ackermann 
---
 Documentation/glossary-content.txt | 28 +---
 1 file changed, 5 insertions(+), 23 deletions(-)

diff --git a/Documentation/glossary-content.txt 
b/Documentation/glossary-content.txt
index eb7ba84..ab02238 100644
--- a/Documentation/glossary-content.txt
+++ b/Documentation/glossary-content.txt
@@ -5,7 +5,7 @@
 
 [[def_bare_repository]]bare repository::
A bare repository is normally an appropriately
-   named <> with a `.git` suffix that does not
+   named directory with a `.git` suffix that does not
have a locally checked-out copy of any of the files under
revision control. That is, all of the Git
administrative and control files that would normally be present in the
@@ -79,7 +79,7 @@ to point at the new commit.
An <> which contains the information about a
particular <>, such as <>, 
committer,
author, date and the <> which corresponds
-   to the top <> of the stored
+   to the top directory of the stored
revision.
 
 [[def_core_git]]core Git::
@@ -104,26 +104,11 @@ to point at the new commit.
an arbitrary <> that isn't necessarily the tip of any
particular branch.  In this case HEAD is said to be "detached".
 
-[[def_dircache]]dircache::
-   You are *way* behind. See <>.
-
-[[def_directory]]directory::
-   The list you get with "ls" :-)
-
 [[def_dirty]]dirty::
A <> is said to be "dirty" if
it contains modifications which have not been <> 
to the current
<>.
 
-[[def_ent]]ent::
-   Favorite synonym to "<>" by some total geeks. See
-   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ent_(Middle-earth) for an in-depth
-   explanation. Avoid this term, not to confuse people.
-
-[[def_evil_merge]]evil merge::
-   An evil merge is a <> that introduces changes that
-   do not appear in any <>.
-
 [[def_fast_forward]]fast-forward::
A fast-forward is a special type of <> where you have a
<> and you are "merging" another
@@ -257,8 +242,7 @@ This commit is referred to as a "merge commit", or 
sometimes just a
<>.
 
 [[def_octopus]]octopus::
-   To <> more than two <>. Also 
denotes an
-   intelligent predator.
+   To <> more than two <>.
 
 [[def_origin]]origin::
The default upstream <>. Most projects have
@@ -468,9 +452,7 @@ should not be combined with other pathspec.
object of an arbitrary type (typically a tag points to either a
<> or a <>).
In contrast to a <>, a tag is not updated by
-   the `commit` command. A Git tag has nothing to do with a Lisp
-   tag (which would be called an <>
-   in Git's context). A tag is most typically used to mark a particular
+   the `commit` command. A tag is most typically used to mark a particular
point in the commit ancestry <>.
 
 [[def_tag_object]]tag object::
@@ -494,7 +476,7 @@ should not be combined with other pathspec.
 [[def_tree_object]]tree object::
An <> containing a list of file names and modes along
with refs to the associated blob and/or tree objects. A
-   <> is equivalent to a <>.
+   <> is equivalent to a directory.
 
 [[def_tree-ish]]tree-ish::
A <> pointing to either a