Re: Shell scripting moron
IMHO PERL is more of a programming language. Every tried to do anything rather complex in Bourne :-) On 17 Jul 2002 at 14:26, Erik Price wrote: > > On Wednesday, July 17, 2002, at 01:05 PM, Kevin D. Clark wrote: > > > Shell scripts are like a convenient glue or maybe like a handy power > > tool (think cordless screwdriver). There's some initial learning > > I see shell scripts come with a lot of software, and linux > distributions, but it seems that when someone writes their -own- > script/tool, they do it in Perl (at least I do). For instance, Perl's > regexes are a lot easier and more precise (to me) than the bash's > globbing system. Well, I guess that's not fair, I just know a little > bit more Perl than I do bash. But what I'm wondering is if there really > are a lot of Unix systems out there that don't come with Perl, to the > extent that a script accompanying an application should be written in > bash or csh over Perl. (Not counting the super-specialized systems like > handhelds which might not have Perl for space reasons.) > > > * Like for example, the people I know who know that they want to make > >a textual replacement in, oh, a thousand files -- they either write > >a custom C program to do this, or else they make the changes > >*by hand*. Duh... > > I cannot find it for the life of me, but somewhere in the > [EMAIL PROTECTED] archives (that damnable WebObject > interface is terrible and doesn't return the matches) is a quotation by > Douglas Adams. He describes the joys of spending fifteen minutes > writing a script that he could have done by hand in five minutes. > > Come on, we've all done it. Admit it... > > > Erik > > > * > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. > * -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
BLU 8th Annual BBQ Saturday July 20th
When:Saturday, July 20, 2002 from 1:00 pm to 6:00 pm Where:33 Cedarwood Avenue, Waltham, Ma courtesy of John and Shelly Chambers Cost: Free (bring your own food). Come to our annual Boston and Linux BarBQue. We welcome everyone. Bring some food, beer, wine and the soft drink of you choice. John and Shelly's house is located just a few blocks from route 128, and about 1 block from T bus route 71. For more details consult the following web sites. http://www.blu.org/cgi-bin/calendar/2002-bbq8 http://trillian.mit.edu/~jc/dir_jcsd.html Also, don't forget the BLU monthly meeting tomorrow night. -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Clock synchronization from dialup?
Although I am on 24x7, ntp can be used for dialup. These are the two lines I added. server 158.121.104.4 # timeserver.cs.umb.edu server 140.239.10.5 # ntp.ourconcord.net However, you might just want to use ntpdate. ntp runs as a daemon where ntpdate is not. You can write a cron script that tests if you are online. If so, execute ntpdate (as root) to synchronize your clock. Or you could set up a script around your PPP program to execute ntpdate when you log on. Mark Polhamus wrote: > Has anyone come across clear, concise instructions for synchronizing my clock > > to a network time server? I need instructions that will work for a system > that connects to the internet using dial-up (i.e. is often NOT connected). > It is never connected to the internet at startup, and is restarted frequently > . > > I assume ntp will do this for me if I configure it correctly, and I would > prefer to use ntp because I have virtual machines that I would like to > synchronize to the host machine. > > I'm having a hard time hacking through the thicket of ntp documentation -- it > > seems to be written for a someone who has a doctorate level interest in the > absolute limits of network time sync accuracy (even the "executive overview" > includes some equations!). There are a huge number of configuration options > for this package. > > Some example ntp.conf files would be nice. I would also appreciate > debugging/logging hints, and even an idea of how to tell if my setup is worki > ng. > > (ntp 4.1.1-1 on RedHat 7.3) > > Chrony also sounded promising, but it doesn't compile on 7.3: > > >gcc -Wmissing-prototypes -Wall -O2 -g -DLINUX -DHAS_SPINLOCK_H -c > wrap_adjtimex.c > >In file included from /usr/include/linux/timex.h:152, > > from wrap_adjtimex.c:40: > >/usr/include/asm/timex.h:10:21: asm/msr.h: No such file or directory > > > Thanks, > > > -- Mark Polhamus > -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > * > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. > * > -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: decent dial-up providers in Andover, MA?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You might try TheWorld (http://www.theworld.com). They've been around forever, and provide not only ppp, but also provide a UNIX shell account (SGI Irix). Suzanne Hillman wrote: > I'm moving to Andover, MA at the end of the month and don't feel I can > justify the expense of DSL. Does anyone have suggestions for decent > dial-up providers in the Andover area? - -- - -- Gerald Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Boston Computer Solutions and Consulting ICQ#156300 PGP Key ID:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.5 12/25/2001 iD8DBQE9LjpU+wA+1cUGHqkRAuo5AKCDfBnjLcfM/SWuR438JeVC8cejbgCfdavG EaIhPoohnWUbsacEKtj4hwQ= =eBfY -END PGP SIGNATURE- * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Boston Linux Meeting Wednesday, July 17, 2002
When: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 7:00 PM (6:30 for general Q&A) Topic: Introduction to IBM AIX Presented by:Daoud Shariff, Technology Consultant - netpoint at earthlink dot net Location: MIT Building 4-370 Daoud will discuss IBM's AIX and how it compares to Linux, FreeBSD, Solaris et. al. Dee helped us out in the planning for the Installfest we had last year at the South End Technology Center @ Tent City. -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Abusing CC:
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I use exmh at home, and I have set up templates for the lists I use. Thus when replying to a listserv, the template preserves the Subject but not the addresses so I get a nice clean header. - -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.5 12/25/2001 iD8DBQE9LfCC+wA+1cUGHqkRAvdfAJ90Uq+sz2JUVDMAfCLmeVvzO3lQcgCfXPIz jvs12SBGP6lHCvknJotbqIk= =zSeu -END PGP SIGNATURE- * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Open SSH for Red Hat 6.2
One issue with cygwin is setting up a user id. I was not able to change cygwin's user id on my win2k system at work. It defaults to administrator. John Abreau wrote: > mike ledoux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I do as well, but I still ran into trouble; when statically linked > > with 0.9.5a, PuTTY couldn't connect, when statically linked with 0.9.6 > > everything works as expected. Unfortunately, we do have several windows > > users here that need to be able to access the servers. > > When I'm forced to use Windows, I like to install cygwin, which includes > OpenSSH and has an XFree86 add-on. In the past, before I tried cygwin, > I would have recommended SecureCRT for Windows users; now I'd be > tempted to offer cygwin first, with SecureCRT as a secondary option. > > Of course, cygwin could be difficult for the commandline-phobic to > handle. Does anybody know of any Windows gui ssh/scp/sftp front-ends > that use cygwin under the hood? -- -- Gerald Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Boston Computer Solutions and Consulting ICQ#156300 PGP Key ID:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Ethernet issues
I had a similar problem when I installed my new network card a while back. In my case, the problem was simply a problem with the Tulip driver. I then downloaded, built, and installed the latest tulip driver. I would think that this had been fixed, but I'm not sure. While you may be using different cards, they may use the same network driver. Its worth investigating. Here is Don Becker's site:http://www.scyld.com/network/tulip.html Chris wrote: > Hi all > > Just an intro and also a question... > > Using RH 7.3 on an Athlon system... > > The issue I have is that during system startup, the BIOS finds, > identifies and allocates resources for my 2nd network card (Tried 2 > different ones in different slots) however, during system startup, the > OS is unable to start the card because of SIOCGIFFLAGS device not found > error... > > Anyone local who I can discuss this with, I am in Manchester > > Thanks > -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Linux OS kernel question
Variable page sizes is a fairly recent feature found in some commercial systems. Several commercial UNIX systems support multiple page sizes. The page size if a function of both the operating system as well as the hardware. Some systems (HP-UX for instance) also have features which may treat multiple adjacent pages as one page. Multiple page sizes are a double edged sword. People who don't know what they are doing may make changes causing their system to become sluggish. Most of the top commercial UNIXs have or will have shortly an MPSS like feature. On 25 Jun 2002 at 17:42, Paul Courchene wrote: > Hello > > I read recently that Solaris OS ver. 9 had a new feature > called MPSS. -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: What do people use to listen to web radio under linux?
It is more the case where Microsoft was able to use some of their clout. Developers will upgrade on a single target because of competition, but have no real incentive to port to a secondary target. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Win95 did a much poorer job of running Win16 applications than OS/2 did. > Not that Win95 did any better running Win32 applications. Microsoft just > told developers that Win16 was the problem. So developers promptly ran out > and bought all the new Win95 development tools. Which, of course, do a poor > job of supporting older environments, forcing users to upgrade to Win95. -- -- Gerald Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Boston Computer Solutions and Consulting ICQ#156300 PGP Key ID:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Argh! Mailman, please!
While Mark has been very good at keeping the list clean, I don't think that mailman is in the cards at the moment as the list is hosted at zk3.dec.com (eg. HP). I know there are many other lists hosted at the same site. On 24 Jun 2002 at 11:47, Paul Iadonisi wrote: > Can we *please* switch to mailman for the list someday? It seems > every time I post to this list, I'm bombarded with bounces. Mailman > handles bounces quite well. (Not to start a flamewar, or anything ;-) -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: What do people use to listen to web radio under linux?
In this case, that's part of the problem. But, what incentive was there for Win16 developers to go to Win32. Certainly Win16 apps lack certain features in OS/2 as well as Win32 (95 and NT). For OS/2, I think that the benefits of OS/2 did not provide an incentive for people to start buying OS/2 on their desktops. On 24 Jun 2002 at 17:21, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Right. One of the causes of the failure of OS/2 is widely considered to > be the fact that it ran Win16 programs so well, it gave vendors no incentive > to port their applications to the native OS/2 API. -- Jerry Feldman Enterprise Systems Group Hewlett-Packard Company 200 Forest Street MRO1-3/F1 Marlboro, Ma. 01752 508-467-4315 http://www.testdrive.compaq.com/linux/ * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: What do people use to listen to web radio under linux?
Products like these provide people with access to products that are otherwise not available (a good thing). BUT! For those of us who know about FX32, they also do not provide any incentive for the software vendor to port to native Linux. That's pretty much the reason why Corel, for instance, no longer provides a native WordPerfect build. On 24 Jun 2002 at 14:22, Paul Iadonisi wrote: > Agreed. I like the fact that products such as VMware, Win4Lin, > Crossover Office, etc. exist for the simple fact that it does provide a > 'bridge,' so to speak that gives some people the possibility of using > Linux when they have one (or maybe two or three) application that they > are required to use that only runs on M$ OSes. -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: What do people use to listen to web radio under linux?
I don't know how we got onto this. Back in my PDP11 Unix days, we had poorly written code that assumed that ints were 16 bit. I've even seen compilers (on the Atari 68000 systems) where shorts were defined as 8 bit. The C standards define things by value, which translate to bits. In C (and C++): short <= int <= long. A short must be at least 16 bits, and an int must be as least as bit as a short and may be as large as a long. There is no maximum size for a long. Additionally, the C and C++ languages allow the assignment of pointers to integral types and vice-versa. It allso allows for pointer arithmetic. On most 64 bit processors, there is an LP64 standard: Long = 64 bit, Pointers = 64 bit, ints remain at 32 bit. If, in the 32 bit world you assign pointers to longs and vice-versa, your code will be reasonably portable. (assuming you use unsigned so there is no sign extension issues). On a 32 and 64 bit system: int *foo; foo++; is equivalent to adding 4 to the pointer foo. long *foo; foo++; in 32 bits is adding 4 to foo, and on 64 bits, add 8 to foo because a long is 8 bytes. Casing can also have some interesting problems: Assume that malloc(3) is NOT prototyped: char *foo; foo = malloc(size); On a 32 bit system, this will work even is malloc is not prototyped. On a 64 bit system it will fail because the compiler will generate an int as the return value for malloc(3) and any other non-declared or prototyped function. On 24 Jun 2002 at 13:49, Bayard Coolidge USG wrote: > Since then, and more recently with Linux, I've tried to champion the > concept/mindset that not everything is i386 (or IA32), that there are > other architectures that it's been/being ported to, and some of them > are 32 bit and some are 64 bit (and, admittedly, there is more than > one 64 bit architecture to which it's been ported that is still > shipping). -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: What the media cartel wants (was: HP Drives ...)
And I thought he was referring to MS Windows :-)
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Boston Linux Meeting Wednesday, June 19,2002
When: June 19, 2002 6:30PM Q&A 7:00PM Topic: Linux & Unix Standards Update Presented by Finnbarr Murphy Location: MIT Building 4-370 Note: This is a room change from last month. Note: We have an after meeing meeting at Cambridge Brewery at 9:30. Finnbarr discusses various Unix standards, such as * Austin Group and the Single UNIX Specification V3 * C99 (Differences from C89) * Linux Standards Base * United Linux For more information, directions and maps, please visit http://www.blu.org -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Mailman configuration
Hi Bruce, I'm not a sendmail guru, but looking at the sendmail configuration, take a look in /etc/mail specifically at virtusertable. Bruce Dawson wrote: > Thanks for trying to help guys, but I have that set to mail.gnhlug.org, > and mail is still going out as if from rogue.codemeta.com.=20 > > Ummm. I wonder if I have something set in sendmail's configuration > that's making it override the setting.=20 > > Any sendmail guru's out there? -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Mailman configuration
Bruce, We have mailman configured at the BLU under several different virtual domains. We are using postfix as our MTA, which has some nice virtual features. I think what you want to do is settable on the admin interface general information page at the bottom: "Host name this list prefers" and "Base URL for Mailman web interface." On 12 Jun 2002 at 17:04, Bruce Dawson wrote: > Has anyone had any experience with running mailman in a virtual hosted > environment? > > I'm have some problems with it (its using the host name associated with > the interface instead of the virtual host name) and could use some help. > > Thanks, Bruce > > > -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Windows Partition Spliter
Partition Magic 7.0 does work. We used it at the last installfest. I'm always a bit paranoid when moving partitions around. Some partitioners require that the partition be fully defragged, and some work ok even on a fragmented partion. Note that Bootit NG supports Reiserfs. For $29.00, I think I mught just buy it and use it for the next installfest. On 12 Jun 2002 at 16:34, Tom Buskey wrote: > I've used FIPS but when I got my laptop with XP, it wouldn't work. I > searched for & found a shareware application to work with XP's version > of NTFS. It's called BootIT by TeraByte Unlimited http://www.terabyteunlimited.com -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Windows Partition Spliter
Actually, there is a Linux version of Partition Magic that is part of Mandrake, but the Windows version can create a standalone DOS diskette. I usually bring this to installfests. On 12 Jun 2002 at 15:06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > There is commercial software (Partition Magic and Partition Commander are > two I know of) that can resize all sorts of filesystems. Such software > typically requires MS-Windows, or at least MS-DOS. -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: drive mirroring
I've used dd successfully. I backup my home system nightly, but only my home partition. I can easily rebuild. However, rather than use dd, something like rsync will be a bit quicker. What I would do is to make up the mirror disk, with LILO and everything installed and tested. Once that is done, create a rescue floppy. Then use rsync with the desired options to pick up any changes. There are some cases where you can render the mirror unbootable, such as changing the kernel and not running LILO. But, if you keep the boot floppy, you really don't need to worry. There is nothing positional in the Unix/Linux system. The only thing you need to be concerned about is when you upgrade the kernel, make sure you've run LILO. But, a bootable floppy gives you a back door. Certainly RAID provides you with a degree of protection, especially in a high volume system. In a low volume system, a periodic backup should suffice. A backup to a removable device is preferable since online storage is subject to environmental factors. A removed device is ostensably not subject to a power surge resulting from a lightning strike. On 10 Jun 2002 at 13:17, Rich Payne wrote: > I've never had luck with copying a live filesystem. Your other option (and > this is a longshot I know) might be to setup software raid. Build a Raid1 > set and then break it again. I've never tried this with software raid but > I have done it with hardware based raid. -- Jerry Feldman Enterprise Systems Group Hewlett-Packard Company 200 Forest Street MRO1-3/F1 Marlboro, Ma. 01752 508-467-4315 http://www.testdrive.compaq.com/linux/ * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Detect output type in shell script
Dan, how about isatty(3) and ttyname(3). Those are implemented in all versions of Unix and Linux systems. Their purpose is just that. On 7 Jun 2002 at 16:30, Dan Coutu wrote: > I do recall from my days working on Ultrix, er DEC OSF/1, I mean Digital > UNIX, no make that Tru64 UNIX, that the more command had some magic in it > that did exactly this. > > It needed to determine the difference between output to a tty versus output > to a pipe because it formatted things like man pages using terminal escape > sequences for bolding and underlining when a tty was the destination and > used things like backspace-overstrike and backspace-underline sequences > when a pipe was the destination (or perhaps just didn't bother with the > special character handling.) -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Detect output type in shell script
The dup2(2) system calls simply duplicates to file descriptor. Also, I could be wrong, but when a child process starts it inherits all the parent's open file descriptors. I don't believe that the parent shell closes 0, 1, or 2 at all. The freopen(3) C function does close the open file descriptor associated with the FILE structure, and then opens a new file to be associated with it. On 7 Jun 2002 at 14:40, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 14:26:34 EDT > Benjamin Scott said: > > >On Fri, 7 Jun 2002, at 2:00pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> Ahm, I don't think you can, since the shell is sending to STDOUT in this > >> case, and STDOUT has been redirected at *shell* level to be someplace > >> other than STDOUT; in this case, a file. > > > > STDOUT is simply file descriptor 1. (STDIN is FD 0, STDERR is FD 2.) > >All a shell does when it sets up redirection is close the appropriate FD, > >and then re-open it on another file (using the dup2(2) system call (I > >think)). The program being redirected simply outputs to the appropriate FD. > > > > As Michael O'Donnell points out, you can use the -t "test" to determine if > >a FD number is a tty or not. I expect that simply makes use of the > >"isatty(3)" library call. > > Right, but aren't there essentially 2 STDOUTs here? What the script > thinks is STDOUT and what the parent shell thinks is STDOUT? > In other words, the shell script has it's own copies of FDs 0,1, and 2 > separate from that of the parent shell which spawned it. The parent > shell is being told take all output from this script and throw it > into this file. Whereas the script is being told, throw everything > to STDOUT. > > Oh, wait, you just mentioned dup(2), never mind, I think I just > realized the error of my reasoning (or lack thereof :) > -- > > Seeya, > Paul > > It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, >but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. > >If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! > > > > ***** > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. > * -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Oracle Linux 'Unbreakable' Event
I also think that you presented it to the Linux community in ZK3 and also gave us a tech talk about Ygdrassil. On 6 Jun 2002 at 14:24, Jon Hall wrote: > Actually the first time I said it was in May of 1994, when I put together > my first slide talk about Linux for Digital Equipment Corporation's > Unix Product Management staff. I had just met Linus at the DECUS convention > in New Orleans, and was madly trying to get him an Alpha system so he would > not feel compelled to do the PowerPC instead. -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: High-speed connectivity in NH (was http://www.whizwireless.com/ )
As Marc Evans posted, Starband went downhill to the point where he disconnected them. One of Starband's issues is that those who used both Starband for Internet and Dish Networks for TV paid their bills to Dish. At some point, Dish failed to transfer these funds to Starband. This whole thing started in the February time frame. At issue is Echostar's (Dish's parent) bid to acquire DirecPC. If the merger goes through, then Echostar would be the only Satellite TV provider, and with DirecPC, they would effectively put Starband out of business. My friend who lives in Holland, Ma is still very happy with the service, but he is a Windows user. The bottom line is that if you want Satellite Internet you are stuck with a Windows based system at the present time. Also, at the time I first learned about Starband, it was the only 2-way satellite service. I believe that DirecPC is now 2-way. On 5 Jun 2002 at 19:58, Benjamin Scott wrote: > Also, many of the satellite companies are not Linux friendly. I know one > of our customers was recently told to switch their gateway from Linux to > Windows, or lose their feed. They use Starband, FWIW. -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Change 'date' from a normal user a/c
I agree with Mke O'Donnel regarding the date change. May I suggest a possibly better approach, and that be to set up an ntp daemon (usually xntp). This would require that the system is connected to the Internet. In addition to sudo, if you want a user to be able to change the system date from within an application, you can use the system(3) function, and use sudo to execute the date command. Or, you could set the application as a setuid application and call the appropriate system calls. On 5 Jun 2002 at 9:52, Ganesan M wrote: > Hi guys, > >This is my first message to the list and I 've joined just > today. > > Here is my question. > >How do I change the date from a normal user account under > RH linux? For example, in SCO you have "asroot" command > to perform any super user command from a normal user account. > Is there anything in similar to "asroot" under linux? -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: High-speed connectivity in NH (was http://www.whizwireless.com/ )
Thanks Marc, I will then no longer recommend them. Larry still has good things to say about them. I've been so busy that I have not had time to read The register and Inquirer. On 5 Jun 2002 at 8:30, Marc Evans wrote: > Starband filled chapter 11 this week > (http://dc.internet.com/news/article.php/1181181). > > My experiences with Starband deteriorated to the point that I have > disconnected the service. If anyone wishes to acquire the equipment for > Starband, I can provide a "deal" ;-) -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: High-speed connectivity in NH (was http://www.whizwireless.com/ )
Another satellite vendor is Starband. Starband is 2-way. A friend of mine in Holland, Ma loves it. He can't get a local dialup, no cable, no DSL. Satellite is affected by the weather. My friend PAMs his antenna in the winter. Marc Evans also has Starband. Marc initially used it with either Linux or BSD, but he mentioned lately that some of there more recent patches are Windows. I know several people who have DirecPC and regret it. On 4 Jun 2002 at 17:12, Brian Chabot wrote: > On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Ken Ambrose wrote: > > > NH (Dublin, to be precise) > > > Alas, I've been unable to find any reasonably-priced high-speed solutions > > for Dublin. VITTS had offered service out there, but nobody is, now, that > > I can tell. So, suggestions? Satellite? DSL providers with which I'm > > unacquainted? Cheap fractional T-1? > > I have a friend in Dublin who used satelite. DirectPC I think. It's > the only way that far in the "sticks". -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Completely OT
One of the URLs I posted contains a comparison of the S40 vs. the G2. The S30 and S40 are identical except that the S30 is 3MP and the S40 is 4MP. Also, CF (and SM) readers run about $20 retail. While the USB ports on the cameras all should work nicely, the camera must be on while you transfer. (All the cameras have an AC adaptor accessory). It is simpler to just pop the CF out of the cameral and into a PCMCIA adaptor or CF reader. On 3 Jun 2002 at 11:02, Farrell Woods wrote: > I have a Canon PowerShot S30. It has USB, and gtphoto in the RH7.3 distro > seems to talk to it just fine. Tho the S30 may be somewhat less camera > than those you've listed below... -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Completely OT
BTW: The Canons (S30, S40, G2) use CF2 and can take an IBM Microdrive. The battery is a Lithium proprietary rechargable. The battery takes about an hour to charge fully. Another camera line to look at is the HP cameras. These are made as a joint venture with Pentax. I think the critical issue is to decide what features and price range. The URLs I posted have reviews and opinions. The TFT displays are all SLR, but the optical viewfinders in some, including the Canon, is not. Another issue is to look at zoom capability. Optical zoom is good, digital zoom is (IMHO) not. On 3 Jun 2002 at 11:01, John Abreau wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > > I need to buy a digital camera. I want a good one, that's easily > > usable with Linux (USB conn. is fine if it works :) > > > > I've been thinking about: > > > > the Nikon CoolPix 995 > > the Canon G2 > > the Olympus E20 > > The Olympus E20 runs you about $2000. For the same price, you can get the > Canon EOS D60, which I've been drooling over since I first saw it. > 6 megapixel (3072x2048), IBM microdrive, uses the same SLR lenses as > my film SLR, buffers shots so you can take maybe 10 pictures in a couple > seconds without delays between shots, etc. > > > -- > John Abreau / Executive Director, Boston Linux & Unix > ICQ 28611923 / AIM abreauj / JABBER [EMAIL PROTECTED] / YAHOO abreauj > Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] / WWW http://www.abreau.net / PGP-Key-ID 0xD5C7B5D9 > PGP-Key-Fingerprint 72 FB 39 4F 3C 3B D6 5B E0 C8 5A 6E F1 2C BE 99 > > "The early bird catches the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese." > > > -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Completely OT
I just bought a Canon S30. My requirements were: 1. $500 or less 2. 3MP minimum. 3. Either Compact flash or Smart Media. 4. Portability (eg. it's small), The Canons are CF. S30 is 3MP the S40 is 4. The G2 shares some of the features. A friend of mine from Atlanta who has a G2 and loves it.). Here are some URLs http://www.steves-digicams.com/ http://www.dpreview.com/ http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/article/0,aid,81989,tk,cx031102b,00.asp http://www.dcresource.com/ http://dcresource.pricegrabber.com/index.php/ut=cf12c78c18a901e2/ I bought mine mail order from BigApplePhoto.com. They had some problems with Master Card (not mine, but with their verification). They took my Discover and upgraded the shipping free. When I called customer service during normal business hours, I talked to a real live human who was able to answer my questions. (I had ordered an extra Lithium battery which was back ordered, but not indicated on my shippment). They were a bit higher (about $1.00) then the lowest on price grabber, but were higher rated. On 3 Jun 2002 at 10:42, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I need to buy a digital camera. I want a good one, that's easily > usable with Linux (USB conn. is fine if it works :) > > I've been thinking about: > > the Nikon CoolPix 995 > the Canon G2 > the Olympus E20 > > I've heard that the coolpix went downhill from the 990 to the 995, > and further down hill still to the 5000. There's also a huge price > difference between the 3 I listed above, with the E20 being the most > expensive at $1600 and the 995 being <$700. > > Anyone else have one of these, or, something else entirely that you > feel strongly in favor of/against? I know very little about digital > photography, and the terms used to descripe the camera capabilities > seem complete foreign to me, coming from the old analog world of SLR > cameras. > > Any advice, information, comments, complaints, and/or wisdom would be > greatly appreciated :) > > > -- > > Seeya, > Paul > > > > * > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. > * -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: HP ships Debian pre-installed on their Blade servers
I'd love to see more corporate support for Debian. Several years ago I switched from Debian to SuSE because the Debian systems were not up to date for my system. I found that SuSE was the best release for my system. I had Red Hat running on my Alpha. SuSE's YaST (YaST1) was very similar in operation to Debian's Deselect. One real advantage with Debian is that you are guaranteed that the distribution is fully Open Source (not all GPL though). On 23 May 2002 at 11:09, Kenneth E. Lussier wrote: > On Thu, 2002-05-23 at 10:37, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > Saw this pointed to on Debian Planet: > > > > http://www.software.hp.com/blade-servers/debian_img.htm > > > > Though others might care. Could be wrong ;) > > It's about time, too. Even "Linux Companies" like Penguin, Angstrom > Micro, and formerly VA, didn't ship Debian. It was all Red Hat. -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Suse 8.0 Professional problem
I run SuSE 8.0 with PCMCIA support. No problem at all with my Netgear 10/100 cardbus NIC. There may be some issues with wireless. For wireless, you need to load the wireless stuff. YaST2 has a search feature. Search for wireless and install the appropriate packages. Same for PCMCIA. On 21 May 2002 at 23:39, Benjamin Scott wrote: > On Wed, 22 May 2002, at 3:31am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Unfortunately, it is a laptop and Suse doesn't seem to like it too much. > > It doesn't even seem to have PCMCIA drivers. > > Hmmm. I have definitely seen SuSE running on a laptop with PCMCIA drivers > (two sets of them, even). Maybe you need to install an additional package? > I know Red Hat puts their PCMCIA drivers in a kernel-pcmcia-cs package. > -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Request for Software
SuSE uses YaST2 which is a graphical installer introduced in the 7.0 time frame. It has been significantly improved on each release. On 21 May 2002 at 15:24, Paul Iadonisi wrote: > Well, if it's only the installer we're talking about, here, then > anaconda, the Red Hat installer, is definitely GPLed and therefore > distributable. Not sure the ISOs themselves are distributable, but I > believe they are. And even if not, though undocumented, it's not too > hard to make your own ISOs from an install tree (with the added bonus > that you include the whatever updates have come out). And I'm quite > certain (though it's always worth verifying), that every single package > in the base Red Hat 7.3 is redistributable (GPL, BSD, MIT, Apache, > Artistic). -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Request for Software
That is correct, but that would apply also to Red Hat unless they specifically permit it. As I mentioned, there was a question posed on their English listserv a month or so ago. I was not able to find the messages when I made a quck search. AFAIK they do not object. On 21 May 2002 at 13:59, Benjamin Scott wrote: > On Tue, 21 May 2002, at 1:40pm, Jerry Feldman wrote: > > SuSE places the ISOs online after the release has been out for a month. > > This does not give you the right to make and/or distribute copies. They > are still copyrighted works (automatically); SuSE must explicitly give > permission for copying. If SuSE, for example, only allows the end-user to > download (and does not allow redistribution of) YaST, that would make things > difficult. You could still copy the rest of it (GPL, BSDL, etc.), but > without an installer, the distribution is not much use. > > I am honestly interested in an answer to this; I'm trying to decide if I > want to buy SuSE 8.0 or Red Hat 7.3. Not being able to distribute copies of > the distribution is a strike against SuSE for me (if that is, in fact, the > case). -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Request for Software
I have a SuSE 7.3 boxed set in my desk here, and I was not able to locate a copyright or restriction on the box. On 21 May 2002 at 13:48, Bayard Coolidge USG wrote: > > Ben Scott mentioned that he couldn't find SuSE's copyright on their > web site. It's probably not there, but I'm sure you'll find it on the > box and/or the CDs and/or the cardboard folio used to hold the CDs. > > Be that as it may, I would strongly encourage those that can, to pay > real money for SuSE's products. Frankly, I'd hate to see them go > down the tubes and end up begging for money like Mandrake has. SuSE > has worked hard to build a good professional image, as well as > develop a nice product overall, and I feel strongly that this sort > of behaviour should be encouraged and rewarded in the marketplace. > > This is strictly my opinion and not necessarily that of my employer. > > Bayard > > * > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. > * -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Request for Software
SuSE places the ISOs online after the release has been out for a month. There was some discussion of copying the CDs, but later I was not able to find the discussion in their online archives. I think it was in April, but may have been in March. On 21 May 2002 at 16:32, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Ok, I didn't know about Suse's restrictions. I kind of > figured Linux --> GPL --> Freely distributed. > > Looks like I will go and get it at the store. Thanks > for the reply's. Don't worry about copying it. -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Meeting Wednesday night
The former BCS NH Isig group used to meet at the Library. They have a small auditorium complete with video equipment on wheels. There is plenty of parking and it is about a block off of Main St. On 20 May 2002 at 16:51, Jon Hall wrote: > >Sounds good! All we need now is a decent place to meet :) > > Another possibility is Daniel Webster College. As I think I told you, I visited > them the night they were starting their .NET training, but they were interested > in making a firmer contact with GNHLUG and offered the use of their facilities > for meetings. > > Robert D. Tropea is my contact there. I could call and see if we could have > something on short notice. > > As far as food goes, the American Buffet is very close by, and could supply > enough food for even GNHLUGers. > > md > -- > = > Jon "maddog" Hall > Executive Director Linux International(SM) > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. > Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst, N.H. 03031-3032 U.S.A. > WWW: http://www.li.org > > Board Member: Uniforum Association, USENIX Association > > (R)Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in several countries. > (SM)Linux International is a service mark of Linux International, Inc. > > > * > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. > * -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: /etc/fstab beginner question
Device names are convention, but it is good to follow those conventions: /dev/fd* is a series of floppy disk devices. You will note that each has a major and minor number: brw---1 gaf gaf2, 0 Dec 29 09:30 /dev/fd0 brw---1 gaf gaf2, 40 Sep 23 2001 /dev/fd0h1440 The major number identifies the device driver and the minor number is important to the device driver. The minor number will encode things like the drive number and other useful information, like the drive type or partition. By convention, IDE drives are names hdXn, where X is a letter a through d referring to the drive number and n referring to the partition. SCSI devices are scdN where N refers to the unit number. I'm not sure where a ZIP drive shows up on a Mac, but it should show up as an hd or an scd. Then, to make things more readable, simply set up a symlink. Let's say your ZIP drive is /dev/sdc5, so set up a symlink: cd /dev ln -s scd5 zip The Linux use of fstab is better than traditional Unix in that it also conveys permissions for users to mount devices. On 17 May 2002 at 17:54, Michael Bovee wrote: > Hi again, > I'm fine tuning my fstab for devices and permissions that I want to > use, and I'm looking for clarification of a couple points that don't > seem to be detailed in the fstab or mount man pages nor in my unix > and linux books: > > The vanilla SuSE 7.3 install on my Mac PowerBook (PPC) contains a > line in /etc/fstab for /dev/fd0. > Well, Macintoshes haven't shipped with floppy disk drives for years > now, but I do have a swappable zip drive. So, > 1) does fd0 strictly mean floppy disks or can that generically be > used for zip disks, too? > 2) if there's any value in adding lines to /etc/fstab for Mac and PC > formatted zip disks, can I call them special devices of my own > choosing such as /dev/hdc1 and /dev/hdc2 or perhaps /dev/hdb? See, > I'm unclear on the rules of naming devices, basically. > 3) if I set up zip devices and they work, is it still inadvisable to > remove the fd0 entry? > > (I'm new enough to *nix that I'm timid about adding things to this > file without being certain of the consequences ahead of time :0) > > Thank You, > --Michael > > * > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. > * -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Dealing with spaces in filenames re: scripts...
Especially in the Unix/Linux environment, I think that creating files or directories with spaces is ill advised, but there is a reality. Many Windows users are migrating to Linux, and are bringing their habits with them. Additionally, we tend to share file systems with Windows by importing or exporting shares, or through dual booting. Also, we have Windows style file managers supplied with both GNOME and KDE. Unfortunately, people will continue to create files and directories with spaces. Even some of our Linux based systems, like Star Office and Netscape will create and possibly suggest files names containing spaces. We, as developers or systems management people need to recognize the fact that file names will contain spaces and sometimes non-printable characters. I recall a system some time ago that dealt with this automatically, by allowing the use of underscores to refer to files with embedded spaces in the file names. I don't recall, but it may have been one of the Windows emulator systems that used to run on Unix. So, if there was a file (or directory in this case), My Documents, you could type My_Documents which would refer to the same file. -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Compaq compile farm
Yes. Yes, there are Itanium systems on Testdrive. Currently testdrive is offline because they are moving to a new larger lab. Tim and James have been working on getting the stuff all cabled up. They expect that the systems will be up tomorrow afternoon. http://www.testdrive.compaq.com On 16 May 2002 at 13:07, Jeff Macdonald wrote: > Didn't Compaq have a bunch of machine available on the net that one > could try the systems out and compile stuff on? Do they have an Itanium > system available? > > > > > > > > * > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. > ********* -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Boston Linux Meeting Wednesday, May 15, 2002
When: May 15, 2002 6:30PM Q&A 7:00PM Topic: Moving from MS Windows to GNU/Linux Presented by Kent Borg and Joe Burgio Location: MIT Building 6-120 Note: We have an after meeing meeting at Cambridge Brewery at 9:30. How to migrate your MS Windows systems over to GNU/Linux (or FreeBSD, OpenBSD, etc). Abstract Now is a good time to consider migrating to an Open-Source platform: While this talk will most likely focus specifically on targetting GNU/Linux, the migration issues for moving to a BSD platform are largely the same, and all of the applications discussed should be available on both platforms. We'll also look at some office products on Linux as well as Crossover Office (eg. WINE) which allows you to use Windows products on Linux and BSD. For more information and directions, please visit http://www.blu.org -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: SuSE 8.0 KDE 3.0 first look
Actually, YaST2 has a nice search feature. Bayard Coolidge USG wrote: > > http://www.theregus.com/content/4/24903.html > > FWIW, I've made a few test installations and was quite impressed, although > adding packages later is, as pointed out in the article, something of a > nuisance as it's a bit time-consuming. > > Enjoy, > > Bayard > > * > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. > * > -- -- Gerald Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Boston Computer Solutions and Consulting ICQ#156300 PGP Key ID:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Tape Backups
Very possible. /dev/null is essentially a device driver. Everything sent to it goes through the kernel buffers. There are several things that can happen, from a poorly written application that does not check things to a poorly written library function, or a poorly written device driver. On 2 May 2002 at 16:23, Kevin D. Clark wrote: > Well, the device itself might be infinite, but around 10 years ago I > remember hearing about a Unix-based application that crashed because > it was writing out too much stuff to /dev/null. > > IIRC, this was more of a problem with the C stdio library that they > were using, rather than the actual device. -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Tape Backups
This is true. I have my old dog eared C standard, but I don't care to
reread the standard.
volatile int x;
:
x = 123;
this will cause x to be flushed from the register into memory (depending
where x is defined.
x++;
this will increment x in the register then store it in memory.
In the case where x is a global variable, if it is not declared volatile,
the compiler if free to keep its value in a register as long as it wishes.
extern int x;
{
for(x = 0;x < MAX;x++) {
do something;
}
In the above code, the compiler might maintain x in a register for the
entire loop unless something in the loop forces it to be stored, but If the
volatile keyword is used, x will be stored in its memory location when
initialized to 0 and after it is incremented.
But, volatile is not going to prevent the compiler from optimizing the loop
by possibly living out a loop invariant or by unrolling it, etc.
On 2 May 2002 at 16:04, Michael O'Donnell wrote:
> IIRC, the C spec says that a specified change
> to a given datum is supposed to be "complete"
> a "sequence point" is reached which usually
> corresponds in C to the semicolon which
> terminates the corresponding statement. For a
> given variable declared volatile, the compiler
> is free to keep the results of intermediate
> computations involving that datum anywhere it
> likes, but must update the variable's "official"
> location when it reaches the next sequence point.
> This is where the constraints on the optimizer
> come from; you've told it that it's still allowed
> to optimize the code for any given statement or
> group of statements, but all manipulations of
> volatile data must play strictly by the rules
> at the corresponding sequence points.
>
> This rules out register-resident variable in
> most cases.
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Re: Tape Backups
On 2 May 2002 at 14:38, Warren Mansur wrote: > If I'm reading what you said correctly, then the volatile keyword is still > performing as intended. I.e., if the variable must be saved after > modification, then the compiler can't optimize out the for loop. It must > increment the variable i until the test condition is false. No. It does not need to execute that loop at all. All it needs to do is to return the initial value of 'iterations'. You can see that by compiling the code I sent you and disassembling it. > Yes, it may optimize by putting it into a register so the entire loop is > executed within the processor (no fetches from RAM). But, AFAIK the > compiler is always free to put any variables it wants to into registers. > > Am I missing something?? If you declare 'i' as volatile and assuming you force the compiler to actually generate the loop by adding more code, the compiler will store 'i' immediately after incrementing it. -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Tape Backups
Warren, I just sent you a small test program with volatile. Actually, compilers will try very hard to optimize loops. In a cross platform product I am working on (for the past couple of years) we have an assembler language loop because they can't count on the C compilers to generate a predictable loop that can be used as a processor speed measurement. The code is built on virtually every major Unix system. Also, the volatile keyword does not tell the compiler not to optimize. It tells the compiler that the volatile variable must be saved after modification. Many compilers will leave the result in a register, and may never even allocate memory for a variable. In the non-volatile case, neither 'iterations' nor 'i' ever are stored in memory. On 2 May 2002 at 14:05, Warren Mansur wrote: > I think all you need to do is as the volatile keyword to unsigned long > i. In fact, the point of volatile is to tell compilers not to optimize any > use of the variable. -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Tape Backups
It is virtually impossible with any kind of optimizing turned on to write a
C code program with a loop like this.
unsigned long
loop(unsigned long iterations) {
unsigned long i;
for (i = 0; i < iterations; i++)
;
return(i);
}
Most compilers (gcc, DECC, HP C, Sun) will convert this code to:
return iterations;
On 2 May 2002 at 9:40, Alex Hewitt USG wrote:
> Imagine if the OS were smart enough to recognize that you were copying to
> /dev/null and would simply optimize that operation out of existence! Now *that*
> would be fast.
>
> Years ago 'C' compiler writers noticed that folks were attempting to benchmark
> the program that came out of their compiler by running a program called the
> "Sieve of Erastophanes". These bright compiler writers would look for the code
> pattern and simply throw away the code replacing it with a table print out!
> Needless to say their compiler would look great compared to one that actually
> did the work. Similar games were played in the video card space...
>
> -Alex
>
>
> Wirth's Law: Software gets slower faster than Hardware gets faster!
>
> "On the side of the software box, in the 'System Requirements' section, it
> said 'Requires Windows 95 or better'. So I installed Linux." - Anonymous
>
> The closest I'm going to get to retirement is when I put new Michelins
> on my car!
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Re: It's official - HP to purchase Compaq
BTW: The list manager is Mark Gelinas, who is also a member of the BLU. I've told Mark that any time he needs to move gnhlug, that we would be happy to host it. John Abreau wrote: > Bayard Coolidge USG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > AFAIK, and this is subject to change, of course, the merger is > > to be consummated on Tuesday, 7 May. > > > > I do not know if it will immediately affect our mailing list, but > > my guess is that it will not. However, I'll work with Mark Gelinas > > to get the word out ASAP if necessary. > > If you end up needing to move the gnhlug lists, I can offer space on the > blu.org mail server. > > We're running Mailman on top of Postfix. > > > -- > John Abreau / Executive Director, Boston Linux & Unix > ICQ 28611923 / AIM abreauj / JABBER [EMAIL PROTECTED] / YAHOO abreauj > Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] / WWW http://www.abreau.net / PGP-Key-ID 0xD5C7B5D9 > PGP-Key-Fingerprint 72 FB 39 4F 3C 3B D6 5B E0 C8 5A 6E F1 2C BE 99 > > > > --==_Exmh_-1924320540P > Content-Type: application/pgp-signature > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Exmh version 2.5 01/15/2001 > > iQCVAwUBPM8JHlV9A5rVx7XZAQLtFgP9F7dmisnOZUpSq9dKDBAT61y5F5A72JQm > vNr6XuV8y+AIej84oBlhs/+6ncKtzZZTG0Ta0jgA87nVi5HFEKb9041Q70+PzNQ4 > WXgoWTX74V9lB+C9OSHTxWH02FbZXWB9c0Fyy+PkD2+qOCQXtx3+U3Zn5JOfyRZr > CVNqDVJUwqA= > =nI9y > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > --==_Exmh_-1924320540P-- > -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: How to create a GUID?
It is relatively easy to change the MAC address on some NICS, but some (cheapo off brand) NIC manufacturers invent their own. Also, the MAC address on routers and firewalls can easily be changed. I set the MAC address on my cable modem router to the same as my PC so I can easily plug the PC into the cable modem in the case where I must deal with the customer service droids. Normally, you can asume that the MAC address is unique. On 30 Apr 2002 at 7:06, Michael O'Donnell wrote: > It used to be the case that MAC addresses could be > relied upon to be unique and immutable (per Enet > adapter) but I've heard of some that now allow their > MAC addrs to be reprogrammed, and anyway the OS can be > told to lie about it. Nevertheless, if you can rely > upon all your systems to just use the MACs assigned > by the manufacturer for every Enet adapter, it might > be reasonable to decide that the MAC address of, say, > the lowest numbered interface is the system ID. > > > * > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. > ********* -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Ground-breaking news from the BBC...
Great post Paul. At the BCS years ago I was having trouble with the firewall and was taking some criticism, but what noone semmed to believe that the greatest threat was not from the outside, but from the Resource Center where we had a bunch of systems inside the FW that any jerk could use. And if you looked at some of the volunteers that had access to the server room, who needed a firewall in the first place. On 29 Apr 2002 at 14:35, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1946000/1946368.stm > > Linked off of /.: > > BBC News is reporting that the employees of a company > pose the biggest threat to security. > > Unbelievable! I've *NEVER* heard this argument before. Personally I > think it's ridiculous. I mean, c'mon, everyone I've ever worked for -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Desktop skewed
They have the single utility for system management, but you are not forced to use it. The inventor of rc.config is a member of this list and I won't metion Charles' name :-). SuSE 8.0 has eliminated the rc.config. All rc.config was was a simple file containing environment variables used at system startup by the files in the init.d directory. They now used the sysconfig directory structure that is used by other Linux distros. Also the older character cell based YaST (YaST1) is gone. YaST2 is both Graphical, modular and character cell. As I mentioned, 8.0 is recommended by a couple of friends who went out an paid for it as I intend to. On 29 Apr 2002 at 10:55, Benjamin Scott wrote: > On Mon, 29 Apr 2002, at 10:22am, Jerry Feldman wrote: > > Also, others who use SuSE 8.0 seem to feel that it is very easy to install > > and manage. > > H. So... people who like SuSE like SuSE. ;-) > > I tried SuSE seven point mumble about a year ago, and I was impressed by > the feeling of polish and integration it gave me. The printed documentation > was very good, and the package selection (several CDs worth) extensive. > > My dislikes were mainly in the area of the configuration automation > subsystem they use: YaST, the single monolithic rc.config file for the > entire system, and an impression that it was all-or-nothing. There are > reasons to like that approach, but personally, I do not. (Then again, I > haven't really been happy with a distribution since Red Hat 6.2. Maybe I'm > just a Luddite.) > > IMO, SuSE is definitely worth checking out. I've been considering picking > up the 8.0 boxed set myself. > > > I have mixed feelings about Mandrake. Some of their releases have been > > good, others have been bad. > > Mandrake isn't my preferred distribution, either. While I cannot put my > finger on it, something about it just rubs me the wrong way. Strictly a > personal feeling. But in the "glitter" category, it is definitely a leader. > > :-) > > -- > Ben Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not | > | necessarily represent the views or policy of any other person, entity or | > | organization. All information is provided without warranty of any kind. | > > > * > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. > * -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Desktop skewed
SuSE Linux 8.0 has been receiving very good reviews. I am currently running 7.3 with KDE2 on my desktop, but from the SuSE list, 8.0 has been well received. Also, others who use SuSE 8.0 seem to feel that it is very easy to install and manage. SuSE 8.0 does support both KDE3 and GNOME, but KDE3 is their default. I have mixed feelings about Mandrake. Some of their releases have been good, others have been bad. -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: By the time you read this it may no longer apply
The DOS fdisk command with the /mbr paramerter should wipe out LILO. On 26 Apr 2002 at 15:44, Alexander Gallichon wrote: > Alright, on the behalf of this friend of a friend who recently installed > mandrake, here's the problem, he wasn't supposed to install mandrake. > > To be more specific the kids problem lies with LILO's presence on the > MBR. His father is to arrive home sometime in the next three hours and > isn't to know of linux's existence on the disk as he feels that it's > pirated or something and his son wasn't supposed to be playing around > with such things as the OS. > > His situation is like this, he's dual-booting Windows XP and Mandrake > and he needs to get rid of LILO (he's got a boot floppy). I showed him > some links that may have related information like the Linux > Documentation Project and other useful places but nothing has yet to > work. > > He's a bit strapped for time (3 hours mentioned above) so at > approx.6:30pm this is no longer a problem for better or worse. > > If you've got any advice and have a grudge against 'reply-all' then his > e-mail address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Most covertly, > > Alex Gallichon > > PS I realize this deceitfulness is wrong, but another Linux user may > come out of his success. > > > -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: ISP Recommendations?
Also, while not as good as DSL or cable, there are some satellite systems that offer 2-way satellite. They are not entirely Linux friendly though. On 26 Apr 2002 at 15:23, Tom Buskey wrote: > > Benjamin Scott said: > >On Fri, 26 Apr 2002, at 12:51pm, Ben Boulanger wrote: > >> A bad cablemodem is better than any good dialup in my opinion! > > > > Some cable ISPs have areas that are so screwed up, the effective average > >available bandwidth approaches zero. Even a modem is better than that. > > I have sympathy for those that can't get high speed access. Everytime > I visit my mom I feel the pain. > > I have a cable modem and haven't experienced problems with it. In fact, > I've seen coworkers have more problems with their DSL lines (down for a > week). I helped a friend set up a firewall with his DSL and noticed > he's got less bandwidth and higher latency. > > I have had outages. Once for almost 2 days. Usually for an hour or less. > And there is a small slowdown after 5pm, but not enough to worry about. > > I think I'm lucky here. I live in a condo & they redid the cable when > we had the sewers put in 2 years ago. I think most of my neighbors > don't use their computers much. > > > > > -- > --- > Tom Buskey > > > > * > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. > * -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Wireless
The linksys site does have pointers to outlets. In the past I have found that some mail order outlets sell the various Linksys routers about $20 less than a comparable price at CompUSA, Best Buy et. al. Amazon has free shipping on orders about $100. I have a BEFW11S4 (Wireless Cable modem/router w/4 port sw). My Compaq WL110 card on a Windows laptop connected right away. Had problems with Linux because the /etc/pcmcia config scripts were loading the wrong module for the card. (On 23 Apr 2002 at 15:42, R. Sean Hartnett wrote: > Ben, > > Thanks for the reply. Would you know if you could have two of > these standalone units communicate with each other? > I will check out the Linksys site. > > I was thinking that if I had two "base stations" talking with each > other, I could just use any old nic connected by standard Ethernet > cable. -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Apple exposed as an agent of Satan
Years ago, I was working in a system support job, where members of my team would trouble shoot and fix software problems in the field. One of the SEs (in Dallas) went to a customer site. The system would crash when the air conditioner compressor went on. The SE told the customer that he would pray with them :-) Of course, if the company had any competent field people in Dalla, they would not have had to fly me in. From my office, I looked at the dump they fedexed me, and found that it was a bad backplane. They flew me in to Dallas, and they flew a hardware tech in from Atlanta. As I waled in, the H/W tech found the loose pins on the backplane which would occasionally make contact after a bit of vibration from the A/C. BTW: The local H/W tech was an Italian from Brooklyn who tried to emulate a cowboy with his pickup and a gunrack. Colorful, but he left his brains back in Brooklyn. -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Another (simpler) bash scripting question...
In general, I try to write my scripts portable so that I can use them on other platforms. In the past 5 years, I have had jobs with Tru64 Unix, HP- UX (10.20 and 11.x), Solaris (7 and 8), and Linux (Debian, Red Hat and SuSE). Most of my personal scripts are small and work across platform. My more complex scripts tend to be more bashful(sic.). or ksh. All of my scripts contain #1 in the first line. -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
RE: Another (simpler) bash scripting question...
I have not tried it, but what about setting IFS to newline only. n 22 Apr 2002 at 14:42, Mansur, Warren wrote: > >> Does anyone know how to loop through each line instead, so that the output would >be > line 1 > line 2 > ? Thanks. -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Shell scripting tips and tricks (was: I need a date! )
Yes, but several Unix systems supply an old style Bourne SH as well as a
POSIX shell (essentially ksh scaled down) and ksh. KSH implemented the [[
as a way of internalizing the condition.
For the most part, the syntax will work in most Bourne derived shells.
if [ ]
then
# true stuff
fi
If the [ is internalized, then the script will perform better.
On 22 Apr 2002 at 10:14, Steven W. Orr wrote:
> Just to muddy the waters even further...
> Bourne shell under Linux is actually a link to bash. Both the [ operator
> and the test command are both builtins to both Bourne and bash. The [[
> operator is actually different from a builtin; it is considered a keyword.
> It also has different syntax in that certain operators are not legal and
> vice versa. If you ever really and truly ever want to run the binary test
> (though I have no idea why you would), you have to explicity invoke it via
> pathname. e.g.,
>
> if /usr/bin/test "${x}" -eq 44
> then
> echo walla
> fi
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Re: Shell scripting tips and tricks (was: I need a date! )
That is also correct. I had forgotten. But, my original point is that it is probably better to specify the full pathname of a command. X=$(/bin/ls) will generally result in identical results as: PATH=/bin:$(PATH) X=$(ls) But, specifying the full pathname also forces the command to be executed even if some version of the shell internalizes it or if the script somehow sources ~/.bashrc directly or indirectly. On 22 Apr 2002 at 7:28, Karl J. Runge wrote: > I don't believe user's aliases are active at all in a general script. > The ~/.bashrc ~/.profile, etc are not sourced for non-interactive shells. > Only in an interactive shell will the these aliases be available. -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Shell scripting tips and tricks (was: I need a date! )
Actually, [ is a link to test. Linux uses a symlink, some Unixes use hard links. -rwxr-xr-x1 root root17496 Sep 20 2001 /usr/bin/test lrwxrwxrwx1 root root4 Dec 1 13:42 /usr/bin/[ -> test And yes, BASH has it built in, but on some of the older Bourne shells it is not built in. Speaking of builtin commands vs. Unix commands. While setting the PATH environment variable in a script is a good idea, specifying the full path to a standard command may be a better way. The user may have aliased the commands: alias rm='rm -i' So, in your script (or makefile), setting a variable for the command will bypass any aliases: RM=/bin/rm Same with any other Unix command. So, for the reason of unpredictable aliases, X=$(/usr/bin/ls) Is the more predicatable way to proceed. On 21 Apr 2002 at 22:31, Tom Buskey wrote: > > Benjamin Scott said: > > > If you are not interested in portability to older shells, here are some > >optimizations: > > > > > > math=$(( 1 + 1 )) # internal, easier, nestable > > > > if [[ a = b ]]; ... # internal > > I've had problems with [[ ]] on pdksh in the past. [ ] is also > internal on modern unixen. > > > > > Anyone else have some tips or tricks they would like to share? > > > > I've done lots of cross platform scripting. I find it's better to set > PATH in the top of the script rather then do things like: > > X=$(/usr/bin/ls) > > PATH=/usr/bin:$PATH > X=$(ls) > > I've also created something like an include file that I . at the top of > my scripts. It has functions I use & defines variables for thing like > mail. For instance: > date | $MAILER -s 'feedback' user@site > > On linux, MAILER=mail. Solaris, MAILER=mailx. > > Scripts attached. > -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: root PATH, double posts
Having run email listservs for over 10 years (majordomo and mailman), I have never seen a problem where majordomo sends a message twice. Most of the time, the respondent does a reply all. When you have a "duplicate", look into the message headers. These will tell you how the message was sent. You can very easily see the message sent by majordomo and the message sent directly. You can also determine to some extent if the two messages are indeed duplicates because each message has its own message id. I one time found a problem where AOL was sending the same message over 40 times (years ago). On 16 Apr 2002 at 15:06, michael bovee wrote: > Another thing -- I'm getting double posts from a lot of people, including > Paul L. Is this something with the list, or do I have something configured > wrong here? -- Jerry Feldman Portfolio Partner Engineering 508-467-4315 http://www.testdrive.compaq.com/linux/ Compaq Computer Corp. 200 Forest Street MRO1-3/F1 Marlboro, Ma. 01752 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: PATH (was total newbie)
sbin and /usr/sbin is not normally placed into the path of a regular user. You can execute any Unix command by specifying it's full path: /sbin/lilo for instance. The reason for this is that /sbin and /usr/sbin are normally used for system management. On 16 Apr 2002 at 8:28, Michael Bovee wrote: > Well, the encouraging replies from Derek M., Dan C., and Benjamin S. > have turned my frown upside down! (thanks for tolerating my whiney > tone yesterday) > > Simply put, my PATH is really hosed up! /sbin nowhere to be found. No > wonder I've been having so much trouble! But let me back up briefly > and provide info that may be useful for troubleshooters: > > I got into the linux biz out of the need for a research software app > called UltraScan, referred to as just on the CLI. So, yeah, > unfortunately I do not have much unix experience. But as the heart > of MacOS X indicates, unix IS the foreseeable future of personal > computer operating systems, and so I want and need to learn how to > use it in some form. At least a working familiarity so that I can get > work done. I'm actually excited about learning how to use it, just > not when I can't even get a simple command to work :0) > > The writer of the 'us' software developed it for intel machines, so > he has bent over backwards by helping configure it on my PPC machine, > because there have been many unexpected hurdles to getting it working > right. In fact, there is still a problem with how it displays graphs > on the screen. Might require a recompile of X or something, I have > been told. > > Anyway, after all the work he did on my machine (cross-country, via > the net) it looks like a bunch of crap has piled up in my PATH so I'm > looking for advice on how best to prune it. Maybe I'm doing something > unintentionally to cause all the duplication? (see below) > > returns the following info -- (linebreaks chosen for > clarity, I hope) > > /usr/local/us/bin:/usr/local/qt/bin:/usr/local/us/bin: > /usr/local/us/bin:/usr/local/qt/bin:/usr/local/us/bin: > /usr/local/us/bin:/usr/local/qt/bin:/usr/local/us/bin: > /usr/local/us/bin:/usr/local/qt/bin:/usr/local/us/bin: > /usr/local/us/bin:/usr/local/qt/bin:/usr/local/us/bin: > /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/bin:/usr/games/bin: > /usr/games:/opt/gnome/bin:/opt/ked2/bin:.:/opt/gnome/bin: > /local/qmake/bin:/usr/local/tmake/bin:/local/qmake/bin: > /usr/local/tmake/bin:/local/qmake/bin:/usr/local/tmake/bin: > local/qmake/bin:/usr/local/tmake/bin:/local/qmake/bin: > /usr/local/tmake/bin > > > Clearly a horrible mess! I have been using KDE for desktop mgr, so I > don't guess I need any gnome stuff, and I havent been using linux for > games, so I don't think that needs to be there. (Although another > linuxhead here was showing me BZFlag netplay, which was pretty cool, > and I thought it might be fun to get that working as a learning > experience!) > > I am using BASH shell. > The command I was trying to run yesterday, cardmgr, was easily and > quickly found with whereis and locate when logged in as a regular > user. 'which' only worked as root, and 'find' took too long to > bother with but it did work. cardmgr was found in /sbin/cardmgr. > > So from Dan Coutu's reply, it looks like my PATH should start off > with, or at least include, /sbin, /usr/bin, /bin, and /usr/bin. And > I do want to keep one copy of /usr/local/us/bin but that can/should > go at the end, right? > > Can I just trash this whole path and re-write it? > > Thanks for all your kind and thorough advice! > --Michael > -- > ^^ > Michael L. Bovee, Ph.D. > Postdoctoral Fellow > University of Vermont > Department of Biochemistry > B403 Given Building > Burlington, VT 05405-0068 > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://biochem.uvm.edu > Lab 802-656-0345 > FAX 802-862-8229 > ^^ > > * > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. > * -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: total newbie question
Remember that Unix systems have a hierachial directory system. The PATH variable tells the system (specifically the shell) where and how to search for commands. Additionally, Unix, unlike Mac and Windows9x, is a multi-user system. Each user has their own directory tree. Let's say on a large Unix system with hundreds or thousands of users, should the system search every directory in the hierarchy for a command. If the command by the same name appears in more than one directory, which should be found first. I mentioned that the PATH variable also described how the search should proceed (or more specifically the order): example: BASH or KSH syntax: export PATH=$HOME/bin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:/opt/someapp/bin In the above PATH, when the user types a command, the shell will search first in the user's home directory tree bin directory, then in the root bin, forllowed by /usr/bin, /usr/local/bin and the bin directory of some application. Note that it does not search in the user's current directory (you must add . (eg dot) to the PATH). A user might also add /sbin and /usr/sbin. Unix and Linux have over 1000 commands installed on each system. Since the Mac is primarily a GUI, you don't generally execute commands at the command line. In older MS-DOS systems, and current Windows commands prompts, where you can enter commands at the command line, you tell the system through the PATH where those commands are. On 15 Apr 2002 at 18:29, Michael Bovee wrote: > Okay, apologies in advance, but something I _just dont get_ is the > PATH variable. > (I'm a born and raised Macintosh user so please bear with me) > I bought a SAMS Teach Yourself book on Unix, but it says nothing > about WHY this PATH thing is even necessary. (Under MacOS... if I > invoke the 'FIND' command it just looks everywhere all the time) > > I just want to execute a command, or find a file, something 'simple' > > For example, I tried running commands the SuSE 7.3 (for PPC) manual > tells me to use for configuring stuff like my PCMCIA network card and > all I get back is - command not found. But it HAS to be there, > somewhere. Doesn't work as regular user or as root. > > Why is it not the default that the system can look *everywhere*? Or > more to the point, why would my followed-the-rules install of SuSE > Linux 7.3 not be already configured to allow me to do the very things > the printed manual says should work? > > Almost every time I try something on my own I burn up time and a new > set of spinning wheels without getting anywhere. :0) As the months > fly by, MacOS X improves; there's now this Fink project > http://fink.sourceforge.net > and I'm left feeling that all the money I've put into distro software > and books has been for nothing... > > Maybe I just need a more basic intro book? > Maybe I should just learn OS X and go away!? :0) > > TIA, I appreciate the willingness of experts on this mailing list to > stoop to my level! > --Michael > -- > ^^ > Michael L. Bovee, Ph.D. > Postdoctoral Fellow > University of Vermont > Department of Biochemistry > B403 Given Building > Burlington, VT 05405-0068 > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://biochem.uvm.edu > Lab 802-656-0345 > FAX 802-862-8229 > ^^ > > ***** > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. > * -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Boston Linux Meeting Wednesday, April 17, 2002
When: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 7:00 PM (6:30 for generat Q&A) Topic: The IT Job Market HOWTO Presented by: Kevin Grassa, Whitridge Associates John Cerri, Whitridge Associates Lucas C. Wagner, American Express Financial Advisors Location: MIT Building 6-120 What to Expect When Working with a Recruiter - What you should expect and what is expected of you. The Technical Interview - What to Know, What to Say, What to Do Resume Writing Financial planning for high tech employees. Such as rolling over 401Ks. Please refer to the web site (http://www.blu.org) for more detailed information, meeting directions and maps. -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Boston Linux Installfest XII Saturday, April 20, 2002
Where: Mount Ida College, 777 Dedham St., Newton Center, Ma 02459 Great Room of the Student Center adjacent to the guard shack. There is plenty of parking in the lot across the road. When: Saturday,April 20, 2002 9:00AM to 5:00PM What you need to bring: Your computer, monitor, power strips and your Linux distribution. cost:It's free! However, we DO have expenses, and contributions are welcome. Please consider contributing $25 per machine. Our next Linux Installfest will be held on Saturday, November 11, 2000. Our volunteers will help you to install Linux on your own system. While Linux runs on most systems, some systems do have configurations and hardware that may not be supported. Please consult the following web pages for hardware compatibility. Linux.ORG:http://www.linux.org/hardware/index.html Hardware HOWTO http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO.html Linux Frequently Asked Questions http://www.linuxdoc.org/ For further information and directions to Mt. Ida check the BLU website http://www.blu.org -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: farallon wireless card
Thanks Henry, I actually put in the full MAC address of my card. I'll enter in only the first part and see what happens. On 9 Apr 2002 at 13:21, Henry L. Hall wrote: > Hey Jerry, > > Because I'm writing this from another account (not the one I'm subscribe > through), I suspect this won't pass through to the list so please forward. > > In /etc/pcmcia/wireless.opts, you'll notice that the CASE is based on > MAC address for setting up the card to talk to another card or access > point. I noticed a similar problem with also Lucent-based Cabletron > cards in that their MAC addresses weren't listed (only the true Orinoco > cards built by both Fujitsu and the older manufacturer are listed). > > After adding the first part of the MAC address 00:E0:60, in the case of > the Cabletron cards, all was fine. > > hlh > > Jerry Feldman wrote: > > 7. 2 - Red Hat or SuSE? > > BTW: I have had no luck gettung my Compaq WL110 (Orinoco) working. > > I am not running WEP or other encryption on my WAP. I can see the orinoco > > driver load when I boot or insert the card. I've played around with the > > /etc/pcmcia/wireless.opts. > > I have verified that the card works on a Windows laptop. > > (Admittedly, I have not spent a lot of time with it). > > > > (Running a 2.2.16 kernel). > > On 9 Apr 2002 at 11:59, Joshua S. Freeman wrote: > > > > > >>Anyone have any guidance on getting 7.2 (laptop installation) to see/use a > >>farallon wireless skyline card? > >> > >>J. > >> > >> -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > >> Joshua S. Freeman | preferred email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> pgp public key: finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> http://www.threeofus.com > >> -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > >> > >> > >>********* > >>To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. > >>* > >> > > > > > > -- > > Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Associate Director > > Boston Linux and Unix user group > > http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 > > PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 > > > > > > * > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. > > * > > > > > -- > - > Wild Open Source Inc. +1 781-238-0243 > 25 Mall Road, Suite 300+1 978-371-0739(FAX) > Burlington, MA 01803+1 978-590-5005(Cell) > -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
(Fwd) Re: farallon wireless card
--- Forwarded message follows --- Date sent: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 13:21:26 -0400 From: "Henry L. Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Because I'm writing this from another account (not the one I'm subscribe through), I suspect this won't pass through to the list so please forward. In /etc/pcmcia/wireless.opts, you'll notice that the CASE is based on MAC address for setting up the card to talk to another card or access point. I noticed a similar problem with also Lucent-based Cabletron cards in that their MAC addresses weren't listed (only the true Orinoco cards built by both Fujitsu and the older manufacturer are listed). After adding the first part of the MAC address 00:E0:60, in the case of the Cabletron cards, all was fine. hlh Jerry Feldman wrote: > 7. 2 - Red Hat or SuSE? > BTW: I have had no luck gettung my Compaq WL110 (Orinoco) working. > I am not running WEP or other encryption on my WAP. I can see the orinoco > driver load when I boot or insert the card. I've played around with the > /etc/pcmcia/wireless.opts. > I have verified that the card works on a Windows laptop. > (Admittedly, I have not spent a lot of time with it). > > (Running a 2.2.16 kernel). > On 9 Apr 2002 at 11:59, Joshua S. Freeman wrote: > > >>Anyone have any guidance on getting 7.2 (laptop installation) to see/use a >>farallon wireless skyline card? >> >>J. >> >> -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- >> Joshua S. Freeman | preferred email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> pgp public key: finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> http://www.threeofus.com >> -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- >> >> >>* >>To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. >>* >> > > > -- > Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Associate Director > Boston Linux and Unix user group > http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 > PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 > > > * > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. > * > -- --------- Wild Open Source Inc. +1 781-238-0243 25 Mall Road, Suite 300+1 978-371-0739(FAX) Burlington, MA 01803+1 978-590-5005(Cell) --- End of forwarded message --- -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: farallon wireless card
7. 2 - Red Hat or SuSE? BTW: I have had no luck gettung my Compaq WL110 (Orinoco) working. I am not running WEP or other encryption on my WAP. I can see the orinoco driver load when I boot or insert the card. I've played around with the /etc/pcmcia/wireless.opts. I have verified that the card works on a Windows laptop. (Admittedly, I have not spent a lot of time with it). (Running a 2.2.16 kernel). On 9 Apr 2002 at 11:59, Joshua S. Freeman wrote: > Anyone have any guidance on getting 7.2 (laptop installation) to see/use a > farallon wireless skyline card? > > J. > > -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- >Joshua S. Freeman | preferred email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >pgp public key: finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.threeofus.com > -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > > > * > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. > ***** -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: OpenOffice
Nor does it on Linux. On 9 Apr 2002 at 11:16, David Andrew - Sun MDE wrote: > Hi folks, > > Just to correct a misunderstanding - Staroffice 5.2 does not take over > your desktop, at least not on Solaris or Windows. I have been using it > for well over a year as a separate window. You may need to change the > view - I forget exactly how to do it just now, but it was very easy at > the time. > -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Linux-Outlook (ouch) question
With reduced functionality you could run the mh commands standalone. I usually install mh,. On 5 Apr 2002 at 14:19, Karl J. Runge wrote: > On Fri, 05 Apr 2002, John Abreau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Well, one option is run exmh in a VNC session which can then be > > > connected to. One of the exmh-users members mentioned he does this. > > > I believe there's a way to run VNC over ssh. -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Linux-Outlook (ouch) question
Without commenting on the internal politics of your company. Many companies have standardized on Microsoft Outlook. First, find out exactly what he is talking about. If you must run Outlook, I would suggest that you look at Codeweaver's crossover office (which is a much improved wine) and install MS Office so you can run those tools when necessary. Or you could get a copy of Win4Lin or VMWare and run Windows on your Linux box. IMHO, the CrossoverOffice solution is the cheapest in terms of $$$ as well as system resources. (http://www.codeweavers.com). On 4 Apr 2002 at 16:55, David Roberts wrote: > OK, I'm stumped. I have been running Linux for over 3 years > here (longer overall, but I've only been here for 3 years, 6 > months, ...) and have run into something I am not sure how > to fix - guess I'm not up on my Micro$oft tools. I have > worked in predominantly Unix environments since leaving the > VMS world back in '92 so I have had little exposure to the > new Windoze tools. > > I rec'd this today from my manager, and I'm not sure what he > means, much less how to fix it. All I know about Outlook is > it's reputation for attracting viruses so PLEASE don't say I > have to break down and run NT - I just might have to find a > new employer... ;-) > > > Original Message > > > Subject: RE: [Fwd: <...deleted...> meeting] > > Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 14:41:50 -0500 > > > > Hi Dave, > > > > You're also the only person in the dept. who doesn't > > have their availability on Outlook set accordingly. > > Could you please correct? > > > > thanks > > <...deleted...> > > * > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. > * -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: call graph
I don't think that Quantify and Purify are available for Linux. Both are available for Tru64 Unix though. On 1 Apr 2002 at 15:20, Kevin D. Clark wrote: > > "Mansur, Warren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Perhaps someone asked this question before, but . . . are there any good call >graph generators for c programs available for Linux? I downloaded one available on >Debian called cflow, and it leaves a lot to be desired. > > If you're more interested in a call-graph that combines runtime > information, I would recommend looking at the output of gprof. > > If you go down this road, I've heard good things about VCG > (http://www.ida.liu.se/~vaden/cgdi/#xvcg). > > > I don't think that it is available for Linux, but Rational's Quantify > is similar. > > > Neither one of these is a pure call graph generator; they depend on > runtime information as well. I've used both and found them to be very > useful. > > > Any call graph program that integrates nicely with emacs? > > etags? (-: > > --kevin > -- > Kevin D. Clark (CetaceanNetworks.com!kclark) | > Cetacean Networks, Inc. | Give me a decent UNIX > Portsmouth, N.H. (USA)| and I can move the world > alumni.unh.edu!kdc (PGP Key Available)| > > > * > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. > * -- Jerry Feldman Portfolio Partner Engineering 508-467-4315 http://www.testdrive.compaq.com/linux/ Compaq Computer Corp. 200 Forest Street MRO1-3/F1 Marlboro, Ma. 01752 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Linux survey request from Rice University
You'd never make it as a redneck :-) On 29 Mar 2002 at 17:41, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > And I've always considered Tulane referred to the second lane > somewhere by someone who couldn't spell, and Emory a board to file my > nails with ;) -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: ypxfrd
>From Sun's web site: 1987: Big Business Sun and AT&T lay the groundwork for business computing in the next decade with an alliance to develop UNIX(R) System V Release 4. 1991: Setting New Standards Sun unveils SolarisTM 2 operating environment, specially tuned for symetric multiprocessing. On 29 Mar 2002 at 17:37, John Abreau wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > Pedantic nit-picking here. > > > > Solaris didn't come out until the early-mid 1990s. Prior to that it > > was known as SunOS. With the release of Solaris, they retroactively > > re-named SunOS to Solaris 1.x and the OS Solaris 2.x. Sun's naming > > convention therefore, follows thusly: > > I helped install an early version of Solaris at UMass/Boston, back when > it was brand new. We had a long-running community rant about how > "broken" it was -- where "broken" in that context really meant non-BSD. > Ah, the innocent, carefree days of youth... :-). > > In any case, I left the school around 1987. > > > -- > John Abreau / Executive Director, Boston Linux & Unix > ICQ 28611923 / AIM abreauj / JABBER [EMAIL PROTECTED] / YAHOO abreauj > Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] / WWW http://www.abreau.net / PGP-Key-ID 0xD5C7B5D9 > PGP-Key-Fingerprint 72 FB 39 4F 3C 3B D6 5B E0 C8 5A 6E F1 2C BE 99 > > > -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Linux survey request from Rice University
I stand on my previous post. I don't thin a Rice student could comprehend anything more complex than AOL for email :-) On 29 Mar 2002 at 17:20, Benjamin Scott wrote: > Does anyone else get the feeling that this survey was written by someone > who uses AOL exclusively? ;-) -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Internet Shutdown
I did a quick check on it myself. I know originiating the host names and I suspect that I know who sent it. I doubt it was a hack. On 29 Mar 2002 at 17:10, Bruce Dawson wrote: > DId anyone note the headers on this? Looks like it originated with > Majordomo within Compaq. > > I wonder if the system got hacked?! -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: ypxfrd
Additionally, the older SunOS was based on BSD Unix and Solaris is System V based. On 29 Mar 2002 at 17:07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Pedantic nit-picking here. > > Solaris didn't come out until the early-mid 1990s. Prior to that it > was known as SunOS. With the release of Solaris, they retroactively > re-named SunOS to Solaris 1.x and the OS Solaris 2.x. Sun's naming > convention therefore, follows thusly: > > SunOS < 4.x is known as SunOS > SunOS 4.x and upis *also* known as Solaris 1.x > Solaris 2.x is *also* known as SunOS 5.x > Solaris 2.8 is *also* known as: SunOS 5.8 > Solaris 8 -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Linux survey request from Rice University
Being a Tulane (and Emory) graduate, I have never considered Rice anything more than a food group. On 29 Mar 2002 at 17:05, Bruce Dawson wrote: > If you want to participate in a survey regarding your use of and feeling > towards Linux, go to: > > http://www.surveypro.com/cgi-bin/surveypro/run_survey.cgi?id=2444 > > Our participation was requested by http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~dholakia > > I used it, it seems to collect interesting data - but it makes the > assumption that chat rooms are used a lot. > > --Bruce > > > * > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. > ********* -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Internet Shutdown
Yes, I think that is true too of our friends at Verizon :-) On 29 Mar 2002 at 17:14, Rich C wrote: > Um, excuse me, but there are no "1" and "0" bits in fiber optic cable. > There are only "light" and "dark" bits. The fiber optic transceivers > must make the translation. And I heard it was dark bits that were stuck > in the cables. I also heard a team of Qwest engineers were going to ride > the lines looking for these stuck dark bits. -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Internet Shutdown
No, all the ISP engineers are going to unplug all their wires, modems, routers, and thoroughly clean them to make sure there are no loose bits. When the net comes back up, performance should be much better because all email that has been in limbo for years will have been removed. On 29 Mar 2002 at 16:49, Rich C wrote: > Are you sure that's not just a .NET shutdown? > > What program are they using? Norton Internet Sweep 2001? > > Do I have to physically unplug my machines or is leaving them off > enough? > > If I leave my computer on will my Browser cache be cleaned out too? > > Do they have a backup of the internet in case something goes wrong? > > > * > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. > ***** -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Flashing Linksys routers from Linux
Has anyone had any success flashing updates to the Linksys routers from Linux. I tried using tftp, but I was not able to find a way to get it to accept a password. I did try a couple of different ways. -- Jerry Feldman Portfolio Partner Engineering 508-467-4315 http://www.testdrive.compaq.com/linux/ Compaq Computer Corp. 200 Forest Street MRO1-3/F1 Marlboro, Ma. 01752 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: slide show software
I think you could also use Star Office and import them into the presentation manager like you can on Power Point. On 21 Mar 2002 at 20:15, Mansur, Warren wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone know if there is a kind of "slide show software" available on Linux? I >just subscribed to digitalblasphemy.com and want to download all of the pictures >there, and then have them continuously displayed on a monitor, one after the other. >I have all these Linux servers sitting around and I might as well use the monitors attached to them :) > > Thanks in advance, > > Warren > > * > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. > ********* -- Jerry Feldman Portfolio Partner Engineering 508-467-4315 http://www.testdrive.compaq.com/linux/ Compaq Computer Corp. 200 Forest Street MRO1-3/F1 Marlboro, Ma. 01752 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Lindows vs. Windows.
Probably not because their Unixes were drek (especially Xenix that they got from Microsoft). But they did have a large share of the desktop market. On 18 Mar 2002 at 14:05, Derek D. Martin wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > > At 11:42 AM 3/18/2002 -0500, Andrew W. Gaunt wrote: > > > >>jkinz wrote: > >>It seems that SUN maybe the first major UNIXen company whose business > >>will be significantly curtailed by the emergence of Linux. > >> > > > >I thought SCO already grabbed that title. > > Did SCO ever count as a major Unix company? =8^) > > - -- > Derek Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - - > I prefer mail encrypted with PGP/GPG! > GnuPG Key ID: 0x81CFE75D > Retrieve my public key at http://pgp.mit.edu > Learn more about it at http://www.gnupg.org > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQE8ljp0djdlQoHP510RAvmxAKC1p7nLMEmpiqvSIasWPzvAEp6fGgCeOTGk > HcpVlIle5EnQJe0Q9emSOpg= > =pgfc > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > * > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. > * -- Jerry Feldman Portfolio Partner Engineering 508-467-4315 http://www.testdrive.compaq.com/linux/ Compaq Computer Corp. 200 Forest Street MRO1-3/F1 Marlboro, Ma. 01752 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: NFS for Windows (was X servers for Windows)
Quite a while ago I explored this entire issue. It is much better to use Samba (and smbfs) to mount Windows shares one Linux/Unix systems (and conversely mount exported Linux/Unix shares) on Windows platforms. For one thing, Samba is included in virtually every Linux distro with SMBFS as a kernel component. And I do agree with Ken's opinion of PC NFS. In other words, it's a lot easier to let Windows think its dealing with another Windows system than making it think it is dealing with a non- Windows platform. On 18 Mar 2002 at 10:53, Ken D'Ambrosio wrote: > On Sun, 2002-03-17 at 21:52, Tom Buskey wrote: > > > > Now if I could find a free NFS client for XP/2k/98 I'd be all set. > > It's called Samba. ;-) Seriously, though -- I've dealt with a lot of > NFS clients for Windows (primarily Sun's PC-NFS (Pro) a/k/a Solstice, > but others, as well), and they all have a bit of a "teaching an old dog > new tricks" feel; I'd rather attempt to have Windows do its own thing, > and make the Unix boxes comply. While it's more work for Unix, at least > you can be reasonably sure it'll -work-, and the latest versions of > Samba (particularly the CVS stuff, which has things like the all-in-one > "net" command) is really getting nifty. > > $.02, > > -Ken > > > > * > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. > * -- Jerry Feldman Portfolio Partner Engineering 508-467-4315 http://www.testdrive.compaq.com/linux/ Compaq Computer Corp. 200 Forest Street MRO1-3/F1 Marlboro, Ma. 01752 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Please remove all 'mediaone.net' addresses
No, this is a bad idea since many former mediaone.net users had to change their user ids. In the case of those who changed user ids, by doing a change, you will be sending gnhlug email to someone (probably a former @home user) else. On 18 Mar 2002 at 8:10, Karl J. Runge wrote: > > Could also do a s/mediaone.net/attbi.com/ in the list file. > This is the change that AT&T Broadband Internet (attbi) did. -- Jerry Feldman Portfolio Partner Engineering 508-467-4315 http://www.testdrive.compaq.com/linux/ Compaq Computer Corp. 200 Forest Street MRO1-3/F1 Marlboro, Ma. 01752 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Lindows vs. Windows.
Actually, I think that Microsoft's claim to Windows is a bit weak since they were not the first to use the term to describe GUI, and "windows" is a generic term. On 18 Mar 2002 at 7:14, Karl J. Runge wrote: > On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, "Jerry Feldman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That's just a bump on the log. Microsoft will encounter more competition > > and may lose some market share to Linux and BSD, but I don't think that > > their dominance of the industry will be diminished short of a major anti- > > trust breakup. > > True, but I think Ken meant the name "Windows" won't be (tm)'d anymore. > > Not that this is means a big deal. > > > On 18 Mar 2002 at 9:13, Ken D'Ambrosio wrote: > > > > > I know that most everyone here has likely already read the Slashdot > > > story posted on Friday(?), but this page is filled with some really > > > juicy quotes. Methinks that MS has stubbed their toe, and that > > > Windows(tm) will shortly be a thing of the past: > > > > * > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. > * -- Jerry Feldman Portfolio Partner Engineering 508-467-4315 http://www.testdrive.compaq.com/linux/ Compaq Computer Corp. 200 Forest Street MRO1-3/F1 Marlboro, Ma. 01752 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Lindows vs. Windows.
That's just a bump on the log. Microsoft will encounter more competition and may lose some market share to Linux and BSD, but I don't think that their dominance of the industry will be diminished short of a major anti- trust breakup. On 18 Mar 2002 at 9:13, Ken D'Ambrosio wrote: > I know that most everyone here has likely already read the Slashdot > story posted on Friday(?), but this page is filled with some really > juicy quotes. Methinks that MS has stubbed their toe, and that > Windows(tm) will shortly be a thing of the past: > > http://www.net2.com/lindows/ > > -Ken > > > > > * > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. > ********* -- Jerry Feldman Portfolio Partner Engineering 508-467-4315 http://www.testdrive.compaq.com/linux/ Compaq Computer Corp. 200 Forest Street MRO1-3/F1 Marlboro, Ma. 01752 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: X servers for Windows
That is an excellent emulator. Also, David Korn has one at AT&T: http://www.research.att.com/sw/tools/uwin/ I make sure my Northeastern Students are aware of both of these. On 15 Mar 2002 at 14:06, Derek D. Martin wrote: > Hey all, > > About once every oh, say, 6 months, someone asks if anyone knows of > any good, free X servers for Windows. IIRC, the answer has always > been basically that no, there aren't any. Well, there is one. It's > called XFree86. No, I'm not making it up. > > If you install Cygwin, which is basically a Unix compatibility layer > for Windows plus a bunch of GNU tools, you can also install XFree86 on > top of it. It only seems to come with TWM as the window manager, but > I imagine you could compile FVWM for it too... > > I've attached a PNG for those who are interested. It shows a running > Cygwin/XFree86 session where I'm ssh'd (openssh 3.1-p1 from Cygwin) > into my Linux laptop, reflecting my Netscape communicator and an xterm > back to the windows box. And I brought up Paint so you can see it > really is windows... ;-) > > You can get both Cygwin and Cygwin/XFree86 at > > http://www.cygwin.com/ > > Hope someone finds this useful. -- Jerry Feldman Portfolio Partner Engineering 508-467-4315 http://www.testdrive.compaq.com/linux/ Compaq Computer Corp. 200 Forest Street MRO1-3/F1 Marlboro, Ma. 01752 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Boston Linux Meeting Wednesday, March 20, 2002
When: March 20, 2002 Topic: LinuxSoup V: Linux in the Enterprise Presented by Christoph Doerbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Location: MIT Building 6-120 Christoph returns to make his annual Linux Soup presentation to the BLU. He sent the following outline to the group earlier this month: - 30min 10,000 foot view of what I think "enterprise Linux" is about 45min on RedHat Kickstart setup and deployment 45min on Linux Logical Volume Management I should have a couple of servers, so there'll be plenty of live technical screw-ups & technical difficulties to entertain everyone. Additionally, we meet at the Cambridge Brewery following the formal meeting. For maps, directions and other information please visit the BLU web site:http://www.blu.org Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: executables in path
I've never had that problem in bash or ksh. If you are a C Shell user, try issuing rehash. On 13 Mar 2002 at 10:25, Mansur, Warren wrote: > Hi, > > I have a maybe dumb question. > (1) I get an interactive session where executable 'xx' doesn't exist in my path > (2) I create the executable perhaps by copying via ftp or other means > (3) If I try to execute 'xx' it says it doesn't exist unless I log out and then log >back in again (unless of course I specify the full path) > > Is there a way for me to say to the shell "update your executables list" without >logging out? > > Thanks in advance, > > Warren Mansur > RELIABLE TRANSACTION ROUTER > http://www.compaq.com/rtr > > > > * > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. > * -- Jerry Feldman Portfolio Partner Engineering 508-467-4315 http://www.testdrive.compaq.com/linux/ Compaq Computer Corp. 200 Forest Street MRO1-3/F1 Marlboro, Ma. 01752 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Paul Lussier's mail is messed up
I set up several profiles for exmh, which set up my from address, and in some cases my to address. In exmh, there include mods to .exmh_defaults as well as the creation of appropriate templates in your ~/Mail directory. I've got these set up for both the reply as well as comp buttons. On 12 Mar 2002 at 17:24, Tom Buskey wrote: > Something in nmh? /etc/nmh/mts.conf? .mh_profile? > > > Paul Lussier said: > >In a message dated: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:59:07 EST > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > > > >>I suspect you're logging in as user 'pll' instead of user 'plussier'. Ergo (I > > > >>think), you should use sendmail's virtual user table instead of masquerading. > >>(map 'pll' to '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' in virtusertab). And I think there ma > >y > >> > >>be another table you should turn on (generics?) and use. > >> > >>If you really are logging in as plussier, then I give up. > > > >I am logging in as 'pll'. I've tried using both virtusertable and > >genericstable and can't seem to figure it out. > > > >I'm going to try and set this host up as a nullclient with a minimal > >config, and failing that, I'm going to move over to Postfix (since > >I've been meaning to look at it for sometime anyway :) > > > >Thanks, > >-- > > > >Seeya, > >Paul > > > > It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, > > but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. > > > > If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! > > > > > > > > > >* > >To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. > >***** > > > > -- > --- > Tom Buskey > > > > * > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. > * Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Kspread
I have not used GNUmeric, but I have use Star Office as well as M$ Excel. While SO (5.2) is bloatware as is M$Office, 6.0 is a major improvement. I use Star Office primarily for my classroom presentations at Northeastern. I did not want to switch versions mid-quarter, but I plan to upgrade to 6.0 when Sun officially releases it. http://www.sun.com/software/star/staroffice/6.0beta/ On 8 Mar 2002 at 18:51, Tom Rauschenbach wrote: > I have never used a spreadsheet before but I need one now. I just tried > Kspread but there appears to be no documentation. Is it compatible with > something that IS documented ? Or can someone suggest a different > spreadsheet tool. I'm neither picky nor demanding, I just need something > simple and capable. > > Obviously I'm a KDE user so a GNOME tool starts out with one strike against > it, unless somebady can convince me that I can run GNOME tools. Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
(Fwd) Re: HTML Code
Why do Windows Users use Outlook Express (eg. virus magnet express) when they could use one of several excellend freeware full featured email programs like Pegasus and Claypso. (Or why would anyone use Windows when they could use Linux :-) On 6 Mar 2002 at 17:04, Benjamin Scott wrote: > > > > Why do so many web designers use JavaScript when HTML (or even plain > flippin' text) would do? I've seen web-pages that use JavaScript (and > browser-specific JavaScript at that) just to implement a regular > hyperlink. No new window or special options or anything -- just so you > can click. > > JavaScript has some seriously nice applications, but instead all it > gets used for is popups, image mouse-overs, and virus propagation. > *sigh* > > -- Jerry Feldman Portfolio Partner Engineering 508-467-4315 http://www.testdrive.compaq.com/linux/ Compaq Computer Corp. 200 Forest Street MRO1-3/F1 Marlboro, Ma. 01752 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: HTML Code
Why do Windows Users use Outlook Express (eg. virus magnet express) when they could use one of several excellend freeware full featured email programs like Pegasus and Claypso. (Or why would anyone use Windows when they could use Linux :-) On 6 Mar 2002 at 17:04, Benjamin Scott wrote: > On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, at 4:31pm, mike ledoux wrote: > > This is evil, as it will prevent many users from following the link at > > all. > > > > Why do so many web designers use JavaScript when HTML (or even plain > flippin' text) would do? I've seen web-pages that use JavaScript (and > browser-specific JavaScript at that) just to implement a regular hyperlink. > No new window or special options or anything -- just so you can click. > > JavaScript has some seriously nice applications, but instead all it gets > used for is popups, image mouse-overs, and virus propagation. *sigh* > > > > -- > Ben Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > | The opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not | > | necessarily represent the views or policy of any other person, entity or | > | organization. All information is provided without warranty of any kind. | > > > * > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. > * -- Jerry Feldman Portfolio Partner Engineering 508-467-4315 http://www.testdrive.compaq.com/linux/ Compaq Computer Corp. 200 Forest Street MRO1-3/F1 Marlboro, Ma. 01752 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Linux Rescue Boot CD
I've had occasions on my own system (SuSE), and at Linux installfests to boot from the CD. If I recall, I've done this in SuSE, Mandrake and Red Hat. One of the things you can do, once the installer starts, you can use one of the virtual terminals (eg. f2 or f3) to get a shell active in the ramdisk kernel, and make corrections as Brian indicates below. On 6 Mar 2002 at 15:38, Bill Mullen wrote: > On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Brian Chabot wrote: > > > Ok, I have a (seemingly) simple question... > > > > What would you all reccommend for a Linux rescue CD? In the past I've > > always used a Tom's RTBT floppy for rescuing Linux boxen, but in this > > age of fewer computers having floppy drives > > > > So... Any suggestions? > > I use the first (Install) CD from Mandrake 8.1. Type F1 to get a LILO > prompt, then "rescue". This boots a ramdisk-based system which > conveniently locates your root partition, mounts it as /mnt, and mounts > whichever partitions it can locate in your fstab under that (/usr becomes > /mnt/usr, etc.). If you're doing this, as so often happens, because of a > trashed MBR, you can chroot /mnt and re-run LILO, and you're all set. > > > -- > > Bill Mullen > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Mar 6, 2002 > > > * > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. > * Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Lowell Sun on Mission Critical Linux
Why, are you starting a new career as a cop :-) On 6 Mar 2002 at 10:03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > However, *this* article is far more relevant to me, and therefore > much more important :) > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A41316-2002Mar5.html Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: Mystery C question
The issue is really a somewhat ambiguous statement. Out of curiosity, I was able to compile this successfully on Compaq's DEC C. The ambiguity is resolved by context. But, if the variable, hosed was previously defined, then the code generated would be the result of the muitiplication of the variables hosed and mystery (with the result flushed), and an optimizing compiler would simply not generate its code :-). Interestingly, there are some similar issues in some of the code I am working on, which is built on 4 or 5 different platforms. Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
Re: linux article
WINDOWS.NE - Windows Not Enough. On 5 Mar 2002 at 14:55, Derek D. Martin wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > At some point hitherto, [EMAIL PROTECTED] hath spake thusly: > > > > I love it when this type of thing shows up on MSnbc :) > > > > http://www.msnbc.com/news/718622.asp > > The thing that I find interesting is how many of the details they > flubbed. For example, the K Desktop Environment will finally be > released this spring... I guess that wasn't KDE that our users were > using all along. Wonder what the hell it was... Also, Evidently > Microsoft convinced the German Parliament to continue using Windows > NE. I wasn't aware they had such a product. > > > - -- > Derek Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - - > I prefer mail encrypted with PGP/GPG! > GnuPG Key ID: 0x81CFE75D > Retrieve my public key at http://pgp.mit.edu > Learn more about it at http://www.gnupg.org > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQE8hSLEdjdlQoHP510RAtTdAJ42THkcajyOazukcun+AYoxPNPtqQCgo/iR > rgFK/aLrQH+WXnKOegP7Ypw= > =rfor > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > * > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. > * Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Associate Director Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 * To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the text 'unsubscribe gnhlug' in the message body. *
