Re: dual boot from either Red Hat Enterprise AS or Fedora?
Ben Scott wrote: On 12/28/05, Dan Jenkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Partition Magic (aka PQMagic) does not support ext3 filesystems ... ... PQMagic will no longer be updated, since it was bought out by Symantec ... Symantec still sells PartitionMagic as a current product. I don't know how often they update it. PM has claimed to support EXT3 for some time now. I don't know how well it works, since I haven't bought an update in years. OTOH, IIRC, PowerQuest funded the original work on the ext2/3 resize code, so there's every reason to think they know what they're doing. Interesting. I have Partition Magic 8.0, and it definitely does not resize ext3. I do see they have a 8.01 update from 2003, which I'm going to try. That would be very nice. I still have my floppy-based version of PM, which I use on occasion. I use it several times a week for NTFS or FAT32 and less often for ext2. Still works quite well. These days, I generally either use LVM or parted. I find parted is not as nice as PM is, in terms of how it works. I don't mean just the GUI-vs-CLI, I mean how it appears to go about doing certain things. OTOH, it gets the job done. I also have a long-standing distrust of Linux partitioning tools, having had them generate many a bogus partition table. I've had so many bad experiences in the past and am still a bit leery, that I usually don't repartition Linux, except with PQMagic. I have tried parted recently, and found it worked, so I may switch. I've rarely found the need for the flexibility that LVM provides. ... and their tech merged into Ghost ... I know PowerQuest's DriveImage was the chief competition against Symantec Ghost for awhile. I know that the current version of Ghost creates files with the extension PQ DI used, not the extension previous versions of Ghost used. So I think what happened was Symantec bought PQ, killed off Ghost (heh), and renamed DriveImage to Ghost. That's what I believe. We used to be beta-testers for all of PowerQuest's software. My last beta of DriveImage looks eerily (:-) like the current Ghost (beneath the skin at least). -- Dan Jenkins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Rastech Inc., Bedford, NH, USA --- 1-603-206-9951 *** Technical Support Excellence for over a quarter century
Re: dual boot from either Red Hat Enterprise AS or Fedora?
On 12/28/05, Dan Jenkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Partition Magic (aka PQMagic) does not support ext3 filesystems ... > ... PQMagic will no longer be updated, since it was bought out by > Symantec ... Symantec still sells PartitionMagic as a current product. I don't know how often they update it. PM has claimed to support EXT3 for some time now. I don't know how well it works, since I haven't bought an update in years. OTOH, IIRC, PowerQuest funded the original work on the ext2/3 resize code, so there's every reason to think they know what they're doing. I still have my floppy-based version of PM, which I use on occasion. These days, I generally either use LVM or parted. I find parted is not as nice as PM is, in terms of how it works. I don't mean just the GUI-vs-CLI, I mean how it appears to go about doing certain things. OTOH, it gets the job done. I also have a long-standing distrust of Linux partitioning tools, having had them generate many a bogus partition table. I haven't had as many problems recently, but that could just be because I know what behaviors to avoid now. > ... and their tech merged into Ghost ... I know PowerQuest's DriveImage was the chief competition against Symantec Ghost for awhile. I know that the current version of Ghost creates files with the extension PQ DI used, not the extension previous versions of Ghost used. So I think what happened was Symantec bought PQ, killed off Ghost (heh), and renamed DriveImage to Ghost. -- Ben ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: dual boot from either Red Hat Enterprise AS or Fedora?
On Dec 28, 2005, at 2:10 PM, Ben Scott wrote: -- Ben "LVM LV VG PE, WTF?" Scott Ben, I know you're likely up on all the LVM TLAs, but for those folks who'd want to know more, Bill Stearns did a great presentation of LVM at last month's Dartmouth - Lake Sunapee LUG meeting, and expressed an interest in presenting it again at any LUG interested. Go bug your coordinators if interested. ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: dual boot from either Red Hat Enterprise AS or Fedora?
Fred wrote: The quick answer to that is *yes*. You can, using GRUB, set up as many booting OSes as you like. If you need to install it to an existing drive with no free partitions, then you'll need to repartition that drive. There are ways of doing this under Linux, but I would not recommend this approach for a neophyte. "Partition Magic" under Windows apparently recognizes Linux partitions, but I have had no experience using it. Besides, I usually partition my drives right the first time! :-) Partition Magic (aka PQMagic) does not support ext3 filesystems, so you need to downgrade them to ext2 before resizing with it. PQMagic will no longer be updated, since it was bought out by Symantec and their tech merged into Ghost, so other tools are the better bet now. Other tools, like the elsewhere-mentioned PartEd, don't share this limitation. I believe the current version of Ghost will handle ext3, but I haven't used it. FC4 at least uses LVM by default and that's a whole different ball game. -- Dan Jenkins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Rastech Inc., Bedford, NH, USA --- 1-603-206-9951 *** Technical Support Excellence for over a quarter century ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: dual boot from either Red Hat Enterprise AS or Fedora?
On the sub-topic of partitions and dual-booting Red Hat derived Linuxes... I know recent releases of Fedora Core (FC3 and later, IIRC) default to using LVM for everything. I expect RHEL is going to go that route eventually, too (if they haven't already). So, if you're using LVM, the whole partitioning issue changes. You now lvreduce one LV and lvcreate/lvextend another -- making the right filesystem resize operations at the right times, of course. -- Ben "LVM LV VG PE, WTF?" Scott ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: dual boot from either Red Hat Enterprise AS or Fedora?
On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 08:27:03 -0500 Fred <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you need to install it to an existing drive with no free partitions, then > you'll need to repartition that drive. There are ways of doing this under > Linux, but I would not recommend this approach for a neophyte. "Partition > Magic" under Windows apparently recognizes Linux partitions, but I have had > no experience using it. Besides, I usually partition my drives right the > first time! :-) GNU Parted works fine, and if you want a Partition Magic style, QTParted does a very nice job. SuSE's YaST and Red Hat's Disk Druid will both repartition successfully. I used to always carry a bootable Partition Magic to installfests, but instead I use either the Linux installer (Disk Druid or YaST), or I boot a Knoppix Cd and use QTParted. -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: dual boot from either Red Hat Enterprise AS or Fedora?
On Wednesday 28 December 2005 01:10, Zhao Peng wrote: > Hi, > > Right now I'm having Red Hat Enterprise AS installed on my desktop > computer (which has only one hard drive). I'm wondering if I can also > put Fedora on it so that I can dual boot from either Red Hat Enterprise > AS or Fedora. > > I know that dual-boot system (Windows and Linux) is quite common, but > not sure about dual-boot of 2 linux systems. Would 2 hard drives make it > doable? Or 1 hard drive is enough (as long as I have at least 2 > partitions on it) > > Any input is appreciated. The quick answer to that is *yes*. You can, using GRUB, set up as many booting OSes as you like. If you are going to have the different OSes boot off of different drives, then installation of the 2nd Fedora is straightforward. During the install you can simply tell it to partition the new drive and install everything on it. It will adjust the GRUB for you. If you need to install it to an existing drive with no free partitions, then you'll need to repartition that drive. There are ways of doing this under Linux, but I would not recommend this approach for a neophyte. "Partition Magic" under Windows apparently recognizes Linux partitions, but I have had no experience using it. Besides, I usually partition my drives right the first time! :-) -Fred ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org http://mail.gnhlug.org/mailman/listinfo/gnhlug-discuss
Re: dual boot from either Red Hat Enterprise AS or Fedora?
On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 01:10:44 -0500 Zhao Peng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > Right now I'm having Red Hat Enterprise AS installed on my desktop > computer (which has only one hard drive). I'm wondering if I can also > put Fedora on it so that I can dual boot from either Red Hat Enterprise > AS or Fedora. > > I know that dual-boot system (Windows and Linux) is quite common, but > not sure about dual-boot of 2 linux systems. Would 2 hard drives make it > doable? Or 1 hard drive is enough (as long as I have at least 2 > partitions on it) Yes, you can have any number of operating systems to boot. I routinely have a system at work with RHEL 3 and RHEL 4 as dual boots. One issue that could cause some problems is your home directory. I've run into this issue when dual booting 2 different versions of the same os where the GUI saves its configuration in your home directory. On the system at work that I dual boot, we share our home directory between the 2 RHELs. Just make sure that the /boot and /boot/grub data is set up properly. At work, this is handled through Intel's EFI, but at home, I never create a separate /boot. While (or after) installing and OS, I then either edit the /boot/grub/grub.conf (menu.lst) to point to the other OS, or I use SuSE's YaST. -- Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Boston Linux and Unix user group http://www.blu.org PGP key id:C5061EA9 PGP Key fingerprint:053C 73EC 3AC1 5C44 3E14 9245 FB00 3ED5 C506 1EA9 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
