Re: Richard Stallman should be reinstated to President of the FSF
On 22/02/01 05:41PM, GNU Hacker wrote: > Ruben Safir writes: > > > Richard Stallman was bullied from his position at MIT and FSF and the > > FSF should take the couragous move of reinstating Richard as President > > of the FSF > > RMS for president! I also believe so. RMS was bullied because of his approach to things outside computing and liberty thereof. Though some of his thoughts I disagree with RMS does a great job leading the free software movement. Those that say RMS is too extreme shall consider how the FSF and the movement would be without him and other "extreme" people. Should people here be neutral or soft-line and accept the use of proprietary software when not absolutely necessary (i.e. by law, which is problematic here in China and many other places), the free software movement wouldn't have continued to this day. Defend software freedom (https://fsf.org) End software patents (https://endsoftwarepatents.org) Read EULAs (https://www.eff.org/wp/dangerous-terms-users-guide-eulas) New sites, suggestions welcome: Free Computing Movement (https://fcm.andrewyu.org) Host Things Yourself (https://host.andrewyu.org) Libre Society (https://project.andrewyu.org/libresociety) To any Skynet, FBI, CIA, NSA, etc. agents reading my email: please consider whether defending the Constitution and our basic rights to freedom and speech and privacy against all enemies, foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. (Adapted from RMS) Andrew Yu (https://www.andrewyu.org) signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Why not publish official manuals in epub?
wemp...@gmail.com wrote: E-book readers are very popular now. It sometimes happens that you want to read some stuff on your way to work. However, PDF is hard to read on such devices because font is small even on big screens and when you zoom in margins are lost. PDF is hard to convert to anything else so I wonder if it wasn't a good idea to publish GNU manuals in EPUB as well. It's an open standard and may be even more popular in the future. I think it's just a matter of someone deciding to do it. There is a db2epub project. Andrew. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: GPL'd utilities of libc6
Developer012000 brian.kyckelh...@gmail.com wrote: On my Ubuntu system, /usr/share/doc/libc6/copyright states that Most of the GNU C library is under the following copyright (which is LGPL'd) but that The utilities associated with GNU C library is under the following copyright (which is GPL'd). Would someone tell me which shared objects constitute these utilities? Surely the utilities are the programs you run from the command line whereas the library is the part you link to. But that's just my guess, and you'll have to have a look at the actual licences to know for sure. Andrew. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: SFLC won a motion
In gnu.misc.discuss Alexander Terekhov terek...@web.de wrote: Homer wrote: [...] You don't /seriously/ expect fascist nuts like Terekhov to understand value in terms other than money, do you? The entire point of copyright law is to give intangible work monetary value by imposing monopoly on certain acts. The German copyright law is very explicit in this respect: http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/urhg/__32.html Der Urheber hat f?r die Einr?umung von Nutzungsrechten und die Erlaubnis zur Werknutzung Anspruch auf die vertraglich vereinbarte Verg?tung. Ist die H?he der Verg?tung nicht bestimmt, gilt die angemessene Verg?tung als vereinbart. I'm not proficient in German, but does this really say that the only purpose of copyright is to deliver remuneration to an author? WIPO is clear: The purpose of copyright and related rights is twofold: to encourage a dynamic creative culture, while returning value to creators so that they can lead a dignified economic existence, and to provide widespread, affordable access to content for the public. Andrew. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Stallmanism.com
nore...@z505.com wrote: Hello, can someone tell me if this site is correct? http://www.stallmanism.com/ I'd quibble with parts of it. For example: Stallmanism embraces those who worship other texts, so long as they are Free Software Licenses as defined the FSF. I don't think this is true: only GPL- compatible Free Software Licenses are included. ;-) Andrew. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Recommendation for a CL data structures library
In gnu.misc.discuss Raffael Cavallaro raffaelcavall...@pas.espam.s.il.vous.plait.mac.com wrote: On 2010-03-21 22:14:30 -0400, Pascal J. Bourguignon said: My principal objection to the GPL is that its license requirements regarding opening source code make it very unpopular with many commercial developers, and therefore whenever possible, they choose non-GPL alternatives. The choose non-GPL alternatives because they want their software not to be free, unlike the libraries they use. In short, I don't think GPL licensing gets you anything additional in terms of getting code open sourced. But history says otherwise. For example, there's a lot of code in gcc that is there because the customer was told that if they wanted their gcc extension (custom back-end, front-end changes, etc) they'd have to release it under the GPL. I think people should avoid GPL licensing their work as a pragmatic means of ensuring maximal adoption. Ironically, the FSF understood this dynamic which is why they created the Library GPL, now known as the Lesser GPL. There's nothing ironic about it. The FSF seeks to maximize freedom, so licenses code whichever way works best. Libraries sometimes have different needs from applications. Andrew. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: GNU GPL Version 3: The Law Making Process
On 29 Mar, 14:00, Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com wrote: On 3/26/2010 1:29 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote: http://weblog.ipcentral.info/archives/2007/03/delusions_of_gr.html Wow. A website dedicated to glorifying the denial of freedom to software users is whining about GPLv3. Shocking, just shocking. And one from a site funded by the Progress and Freedom Foundation, yet another right-wing think tank. The Progress and Freedom Foundation is in turn funded by, among others, ATT, Microsoft, Verizon, etc., etc. See When Think Tanks Attack, http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2004/06/tanks.php : Why are all these think tanks so down on Open Source? Well, the Small Business Survival Committee is concerned that using open source will expose small business to the risk of lawsuits. Citizens Against Government Waste is concerned that the Government might waste money on Open Source. Defenders of Property Rights is concerned that Open Source might be a threat to intellectual property rights. However, I was able to detect a common theme to all their criticism. They all seem to be funded by Microsoft. Andrew. ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: GPL traitor !
David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com writes: David Kastrup wrote: A gun stored in parts is still a gun. The place to look for rules on copying is copyright law. Inapt and irrelevant analogies will lead you to erroneous conclusions. An executable image stored in parts is still an executable image. Just because the assembly happens on-demand does not change the intent. It changes the METHOD. With static, you're distributing copies of the library you linked using that method. With dynamic, you are NOT distributing that code. The code resides on the user's computer, not in your code. And don't use the term assembly like that. That has an utterly different meaning in computing, converting cpu assembly language into object code. The correct term is linking. One is linked at compile time (static), one is linked at execution time (dynamic). -- | spi...@freenet.co,uk | Are you pondering what I'm pondering Pinky? | | Andrew Halliwell BSc | | |in| I think so brain, but this time, you control | | Computer Science | the Encounter suit, and I'll do the voice... | ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: GPL traitor !
David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com writes: David Kastrup wrote: An executable image stored in parts is still an executable image. Just because the assembly happens on-demand does not change the intent. As long as there is no conceivable use without the (automatic and planned) assembly, the exact time frame of the assembly is not really relevant. You keep talking about intent, but even if that mattered, which it does not, US copyright law specifically declares the copying needed to execute a program on a machine to be non-infringing. But we are not talking about copying, but assembling. The act of creating a mere in-memory copy does not cause additional worries, as this is the _intended_ use of the copy. But dynamic linking is not mere copying, it is _assembling_ the separate parts into a coherent whole executable in a single memory space. It isn't assembling anything. Assembly is the... oh what's the point, you didn't respond to my last post. It is LINKING. The library exists in memory. The program exists in memory. All the linker does is allow the program to CALL the bits of the code it needs FROM the library. The library itself is untouched by this linking process. Other programs in memory may also link to exactly the same bits of code. That is the whole POINT of dynamic linking. To remove the need to have 40 programs all loaded into memory containing large chunks of identical code. Further, you speak of an executable stored in parts. But the fundamental aspect that you erroneously choose to disregard is that some of those parts, namely the GPL-copyrighted dynamic libraries, are not being copied by the author of the program, nor are they being distributed along with the program. They are assembled with the other parts of the program at runtime, according to preordained instructions by the program author, as an unavoidable part of starting the program. yes, but at NO POINT in the compilation or distribution process is the code actually distributed WITH the program! OK... Look at it this way... You're reading a text book. It makes references to other textbooks throughout the text, at the back of the book, is a bibliography, pointing to each of the books referenced. So, you collect ALL the books together, and when a reference comes up, you put down the book you're reading, read the passage in the other book that's been referenced, and then return to the original book... THAT is the author/book/reader equivalent of dynamic linking. For static linking, each passage referenced would have to be copied and printed verbatim from the source books into the book your reading. For short passages that might be fine, but if the book referenced an entire chapter here, and entire chapter there... 1: the book would be VERY big and bloated. 2: The book would be in breach of copyright of every author that was referenced beyond a short passage. And on a demand-paged operating system (like pretty much every system nowadays), executables are loaded into the physical address space piecemeal and on-demand. Whether or not you have used static or dynamic linking. Irrelevant to the argument of copyright. Copying, not linking. Linking is not just copying. No copying need be involved in linking. Therefore copyright is irrelevant in dynamic llnking. Only static linking falls under copyright law. -- | |What to do if you find yourself stuck in a crack| | spi...@freenet.co.uk|in the ground beneath a giant boulder, which you| | |can't move, with no hope of rescue. | | Andrew Halliwell BSc|Consider how lucky you are that life has been | | in |good to you so far... | |Computer Science | -The BOOK, Hitch-hiker's guide to the galaxy.| ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: GPL traitor !
David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote: Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com writes: David Kastrup wrote: Dynamic linking delays the act of copying, but it remains an essential integral part of putting the program to its intended use. The difference between static and dynamic linking is that in static linking the copying occurs as part of making and distributing the program, and in dynamic linking the copying occurs, if it does, as part of running the program. This is not an irrelevant detail; it's an essential difference. It isn't. The essential copy is the copy in the computer main memory, and that is the same whether you link dynamically or statically. Wrong. If you link statically, the copy exists within the code itself. Any disc, printout, CD, flash memory stick that contains the program ALSO contains the statically compiled portions of the library. With dynamic linking the library exists seperately on the computer and is only loaded into memory when it is required on execution of the program. Whether you deliver a script which does the static linking, or whether you call the dynamic linker makes no difference. It does, y'know. -- | spi...@freenet.co.uk | I'm alive!!! I can touch! I can taste! | | Andrew Halliwell BSc | I can SMELL!!! KRYTEN!!! Unpack Rachel and| |in| get out the puncture repair kit! | | Computer Science | Arnold Judas Rimmer- Red Dwarf | ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: GPL traitor ! OT?: can my program say GO RUN some-fsf-program?
David Combs dkco...@panix.com wrote: after which my program then reads in xyz.out and uses those xyz-produced results. How does THAT fly? If it's a seperate program who's only purpose is to subprocess some data before passing it on to another program and it's not linked in any way to any other GPL library or otherwise contain any GPL code, there's no problem. One thing though... Haven't you ever heard of the pipe? -- | spi...@freenet.co.uk | Windows95 (noun): 32 bit extensions and a| | | graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit | | Andrew Halliwell BSc | operating system originally coded for a 4 bit | |in|microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that| | Computer Science |can't stand 1 bit of competition. | ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Tom Tom and Microsofts Linux patent lock-down ..
Rahul Dhesi c.c.ei...@xrexxtomxt.usenet.us.com wrote: Rjack u...@example.net writes: GNU fans never lose, they just mooove the goalposts. I feel your pain. Asking for the maximum possible, and then settling for a lot less, is a common strategy that is, unfortunately, embedded into the adversary system of justice. Rjack, if it were up to you, how would you improve the system? Would you propose a rule that once a party asks for a certain amount, it is not permitted to take any less? How would you enforce this? The one thing that needs to be done to the system is Loser pays ALL bills, both the plaintiff's and the accused's. It's already like that over here in the UK for most types of cases. It'd stop a lot of fishing for out of court settlements if the accused was no longer terrified of being bankrupted for being found not guilty. Where's the justice in that? The innocent should face absolutely no consequences for being willing to defend themselves and winning. -- | spi...@freenet.co,uk | Are you pondering what I'm pondering Pinky? | | Andrew Halliwell BSc | | |in| I think so brain, but this time, you control | | Computer Science | the Encounter suit, and I'll do the voice... | ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Tom Tom and Microsofts Linux patent lock-down ..
Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote: It'd stop a lot of fishing for out of court settlements if the accused was no longer terrified of being bankrupted for being found not guilty. Where's the justice in that? The innocent should face absolutely no consequences for being willing to defend themselves and winning. And, let's be honest, the losing party shouldn't have to face bankruptcy either. If they file idiotic cases like SCO did, they deserve it. If they're determined to pick on the little guy with no proof they even have the right person (like in the RIAA's examples), they do too. -- | spi...@freenet.co.uk | | | Andrew Halliwell BSc | The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't | |in| suck is probably the day they start making | | Computer science | vacuum cleaners - Ernst Jan Plugge| ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: [!NEWS] The GNUtards Must Be Crazy
JEDIDIAH j...@nomad.mishnet wrote: The renumeration they demand is contractual control of other's exclusive copyrights -- which is clearly illegal. Only in Stallman's You don't get the priveledge of creating derivative works off of other's property. The GPL is by no means unique in this regard. The FSF is no more communist in this respect than Microsoft or IBM. Or J.K. Rowling for that matter. The harry potter lexicon for example. It was a derivative work and the author objected to it. Took it to court and won. -- | spi...@freenet.co.uk | | | Andrew Halliwell BSc | The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't | |in| suck is probably the day they start making | | Computer science | vacuum cleaners - Ernst Jan Plugge| ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Acacia patent interactive mapping ..
Doug Mentohl doug_ment...@linuxmail.org wrote: This patented technology generally relates to interactive maps and can be used to provide user-generated data, such as places of interest or reviews, over the Internet .. http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news/Stock%20News/2203784/ Well... there's plenty of prior art there. One example is the doomsday book project from the 1980s in the uk. pretty much the whole of the uk was mapped with interactive content and video added relating to specific places. It was a bit like a precursor to google earth. It existed on 2 laser disks connected to either BBC or RM machines. (you had to switch disks when you went to certain places... think it was a north/south thing, but it's been 25 years so I could be wrong there) There was one in the local library. I remember using it quite a lot to plan journeys. It was better than road maps because you could view aerial photos too. The only thing not covered by this is over the internet... But google maps has been around for years which covers that one. And of course, google earth, which does everything doomsday project did on disk via the internet and more. -- | spi...@freenet.co.uk | | | Andrew Halliwell BSc | ARSE! GERLS!! DRINK! DRINK! DRINK!!! | |in| THAT WOULD BE AN ECUMENICAL MATTER!...FECK | | Computer Science | - Father Jack in Father Ted | ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Microsoft's IP chief on TomTom, Linux and patents ..
7 website_has_em...@www.enemygadgets.com wrote: The most vigorous way Tom Tom can defend itself is to eliminate support for micoshaft products and ask the Open Source community to help it write EXT2 drivers for all its products. And then freely distribute the sources to help all the China, Korea and Taiwan manufacturers to eliminate support for micoshaft products. Windows already HAS ext2 drivers written for it. -- | spi...@freenet.co.uk | | | Andrew Halliwell BSc | ARSE! GERLS!! DRINK! DRINK! DRINK!!! | |in| THAT WOULD BE AN ECUMENICAL MATTER!...FECK | | Computer Science | - Father Jack in Father Ted | ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Microsoft going after Linux?
amicus_curious a...@sti.net wrote: Who? Tomtom? In europe? (I presume as they're a european company, that's where the trial will be held...?) It will be held in the US District Court for the Western District of Washington at Seattle. If not, tomtom could just utterly ignore anything microsoft says. They're out of their jurisdiction. American laws do not apply. They do in the USofA, where the suit is filed and the complaint was served. It is like saying that the EU cannot do anything to Microsoft because they are an American company. That depends if tomtom have any offices in america. If they do, they might be sensible to shut them all down and move to civilisation. North of the border. Then the yanks shout and shriek as much as they want and tomtom can just say screw you. If they don't have any offices in america, good luck on getting them to even show up in court. They're under no legal obligation to under EU law. Europe still holds software patents as extremely dubious if not illegal. A few have slipped through but they've by no means been accepted like they have in america. Tom-Tom is free to abandon the US market if they wish to avoid US courts, of course, but the profits here are just too tempting. It is the same way with Mr. Softee in the EU. They cover their higher costs of business by raising prices a little. Would america impose a trade embargo if they tried importing more tomtoms into america if they shut up shop and moved out of the country? Does microsoft have that much power? -- | spi...@freenet.co,uk | Are you pondering what I'm pondering Pinky? | | Andrew Halliwell BSc | | |in| I think so brain, but this time, you control | | Computer Science | the Encounter suit, and I'll do the voice... | ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Microsoft going after Linux?
amicus_curious a...@sti.net wrote: What can you do with it as a connected device other than perhaps replace the internal mapping data with a newer version? Backing up your favourite destinations, updating the firmware and journey planning/sharing mainly. -- | spi...@freenet.co.uk | | | Andrew Halliwell BSc | The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't | |in| suck is probably the day they start making | | Computer science | vacuum cleaners - Ernst Jan Plugge| ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Microsoft going after Linux?
Doctor Smith iaintgotnostinkinem...@ols.net wrote: Add new voices. Map corrections. Change/add the themes. Community submitted items. Add Points of Interest. Plan routes on the computer. Back up the unit. Use the unit from the computer. etc.. HOWEVER All of these uses software that runs under Windows and Mac only. No Linux versions. So if you are running Linux, the best you can do is back the unit up by copying the file system. Updating the map, adding voices, updating the firmware etc are all possible without using the windows software. And it does run on wine (partially), backup works, firmware update doesn't but that doesn't matter cos it's just a matter of downloading and copying a couple of files to the tomtom. I've not tried the community stuff or adding PoI. -- | spi...@freenet.co.uk | I'm alive!!! I can touch! I can taste! | | Andrew Halliwell BSc | I can SMELL!!! KRYTEN!!! Unpack Rachel and| |in| get out the puncture repair kit! | | Computer Science | Arnold Judas Rimmer- Red Dwarf | ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Microsoft going after Linux?
Doctor Smith iaintgotnostinkinem...@ols.net wrote: They will be utterly crushed into the ground. Who? Tomtom? In europe? (I presume as they're a european company, that's where the trial will be held...?) If not, tomtom could just utterly ignore anything microsoft says. They're out of their jurisdiction. American laws do not apply. Europe still holds software patents as extremely dubious if not illegal. A few have slipped through but they've by no means been accepted like they have in america. -- | spi...@freenet.co.uk | Windows95 (noun): 32 bit extensions and a| | | graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit | | Andrew Halliwell BSc | operating system originally coded for a 4 bit | |in|microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that| | Computer Science |can't stand 1 bit of competition. | ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Microsoft going after Linux?
Doctor Smith iaintgotnostinkinem...@ols.net wrote: I wouldn't let Wine anywhere near a gadget like that. What do you do when Wine bricks the thing? I copied the memory card to a safe location before trying. -- | spi...@freenet.co.uk | | | Andrew Halliwell BSc | The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't | |in| suck is probably the day they start making | | Computer science | vacuum cleaners - Ernst Jan Plugge| ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Artifex v. Diebold: The GPL is non-commercial!
Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com wrote: Rjack wrote: falsely convincing innocent programmers that the GPL license can steal their exclusive rights granted to them by under 17 USC 106. What in the world are you talking about? How can a license steal anything? The only way anyone's work falls under the GPL is if they voluntarily place it under the GPL. You seem very confused. That's the old microsoft linux is a cancer fud they tried pushing a few years ago, where they tried to convince people that if you used open source software all your software would need to be opened too. -- | |What to do if you find yourself stuck in a crack| | spi...@freenet.co.uk|in the ground beneath a giant boulder, which you| | |can't move, with no hope of rescue. | | Andrew Halliwell BSc|Consider how lucky you are that life has been | | in |good to you so far... | |Computer Science | -The BOOK, Hitch-hiker's guide to the galaxy.| ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Artifex v. Diebold: The GPL is non-commercial!
Rjack u...@example.net wrote: Nope. It's gospel truth like the saying all license are contracts that is put out to educate people concerning copyright licensing. The gospel according to bill... -- | spi...@freenet.co.uk | Windows95 (noun): 32 bit extensions and a| | | graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit | | Andrew Halliwell BSc | operating system originally coded for a 4 bit | |in|microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that| | Computer Science |can't stand 1 bit of competition. | ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Artifex v. Diebold: The GPL is non-commercial!
Hyman Rosen hyro...@mail.com wrote: ZnU wrote: I form two corporations... This works fine, as long as the copyright holders can't prove that the two companies are just a sham created to violate their rights. If they're really separate, it's OK. Not for the second company it isn't. They're violating copyright. If they don't agree with the GPL and refuse to accept its terms they have no right to distribute, and as they're not distributing the source that means they are in violation from the start. Remember, GPL is a permissive license. Standard copyright law holds sway whenever the GPL is not in action. And they are illegally shipping pirated software as they have absolutely no permission to distribute it. -- | spi...@freenet.co.uk | | | Andrew Halliwell BSc | ARSE! GERLS!! DRINK! DRINK! DRINK!!! | |in| THAT WOULD BE AN ECUMENICAL MATTER!...FECK | | Computer Science | - Father Jack in Father Ted | ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: [ROFL] GCC's GPLv3 Updated License Exception
Erik Funkenbusch e...@despam-funkenbusch.com wrote: Anyone with even a casual idea of how a c compiler works understands that the output of a compiler typically includes a certain amount of linked in code from the standard c runtime library, such as startup code, string handling routines, etc.. Indeed. and it should be noted that some commercial compilers have restrictions on what you can do with your compiled code. some include a not for commercial use or sale clause for example. (You have to buy a license for that). -- | spi...@freenet.co.uk | Windows95 (noun): 32 bit extensions and a| | | graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit | | Andrew Halliwell BSc | operating system originally coded for a 4 bit | |in|microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that| | Computer Science |can't stand 1 bit of competition. | ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Now it's my compiler!
Pete Chown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I've got news for you! The process of assimilation is proceeding very nicely without your help. Why do you think no one has heard from Darl McBride recently? Is it because he resigned from SCO? Or is it because he has been assimilated into the Free Software Foundation, and now spends his days making the stale sandwiches that you too will be eating one day? Tsk, after all the damage he did, that was the worst job they could find for him? I would've had him cleaning the sewers with his toothbrush. -- | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | I'm alive!!! I can touch! I can taste! | | Andrew Halliwell BSc | I can SMELL!!! KRYTEN!!! Unpack Rachel and| |in| get out the puncture repair kit! | | Computer Science | Arnold Judas Rimmer- Red Dwarf | ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: GPL propaganda
Rjack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: chrisv wrote: Andrew Halliwell wrote: Why all the GPL FUD jack? If you don't agree with the GPL, don't try to distribute any software under it. simple as that. He's a troll. Simple as that. Have a nice day Andrew! Oh, I plan to... But you need to learn how to read. You were replying to chrisv. -- | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | I'm alive!!! I can touch! I can taste! | | Andrew Halliwell BSc | I can SMELL!!! KRYTEN!!! Unpack Rachel and| |in| get out the puncture repair kit! | | Computer Science | Arnold Judas Rimmer- Red Dwarf | ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: GPL propaganda
Rjack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, I plan to... But you need to learn how to read. You were replying to chrisv. Sorry Andrew. . . Years of attempting to decipher script-kiddie dialects has weakened my eyes. Just as well I only speak in plain english or you'd be blind by now. -- | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | Andrew Halliwell BSc | ARSE! GERLS!! DRINK! DRINK! DRINK!!! | |in| THAT WOULD BE AN ECUMENICAL MATTER!...FECK | | Computer Science | - Father Jack in Father Ted | ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: GPL propaganda
Rjack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The questions concerning enforceability of the provisions in the GPL will occur in the federal courts according to prevailing law. (I do not consider non-US jurisdictions.) Arguments concerning enforceability should be grounded in references to prevailing federal statutes and case law concerning the licensing of intellectual property. Why all the GPL FUD jack? If you don't agree with the GPL, don't try to distribute any software under it. simple as that. Nothing stops you from USING gpl software even if you don't agree with the GPL. IT IS ENTIRELY ABOUT PERMISSION TO DISTRIBUTE. As the copyright holder can choose how his code is distributed, where's the problem? If you disagree with it and distribute against the copyright holder's wishes, you breach copyright. Where's the complexity there? What is so difficult for you to grasp? -- | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | I'm alive!!! I can touch! I can taste! | | Andrew Halliwell BSc | I can SMELL!!! KRYTEN!!! Unpack Rachel and| |in| get out the puncture repair kit! | | Computer Science | Arnold Judas Rimmer- Red Dwarf | ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: The GPL dream is finally over!
Rjack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone who finds that language ambiguous should probably return to kindergarten for a refresher course in reading skills. It's either that or perhaps their cognitive skills are hopelessly impaired like a large number of Eben Moglen's true believers. IF the GPL is nullified in the USA, all that is nullified is the permission to copy. Because it's only the permission to copy (and the restrictions on how it is copied) which is tied to the GPL. That would mean the rest-of-the-world [tm] could continue to use GPL software unimpeded, but everyone in the usa would simply be banned from acquiring any new copies of it without first gaining explicit permission from each and every GPL project owner to do so. A distro COULD do all the legwork and produce a distribution which was fully legal but it would cost a fortune to contact every single piece of software's owner just to get permission for something everyone else in the world has by default. And of course, that permission to copy would not be transferable. No more copying the CDs for friends. Possibly even no more installing on multiple machines without prior consent from the distro. That would set the USA back god knows how much, or put the rest of the world at a massive advantage at least. I don't think even george is stupid enough to commit national suicide like that. -- | [EMAIL PROTECTED],uk | Are you pondering what I'm pondering Pinky? | | Andrew Halliwell BSc | | |in| I think so brain, but this time, you control | | Computer Science | the Encounter suit, and I'll do the voice... | ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: The GPL dream is finally over!
Rjack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Context eh? I posted a link to the complete decision and you replied to my post, so you would have access to the court's decision. What did that decision have to do with the GPL? It was a completely different license. All that was required in that license was attribution (which they had failed to comply with) If it's the decision I'm thinking of anyway. -- | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows95 (noun): 32 bit extensions and a| | | graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit | | Andrew Halliwell BSc | operating system originally coded for a 4 bit | |in|microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that| | Computer Science |can't stand 1 bit of competition. | ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: The GPL dream is finally over!
Rjack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew Halliwell wrote: Rjack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone who finds that language ambiguous should probably return to kindergarten for a refresher course in reading skills. It's either that or perhaps their cognitive skills are hopelessly impaired like a large number of Eben Moglen's true believers. That would set the USA back god knows how much, or put the rest of the world at a massive advantage at least. I don't think even george is stupid enough to commit national suicide like that. U hyperbole has its place -- but national suicide? Bush and Putin starting an all-out nuclear exchange is my concept of national suicide. I seriously doubt that any nation's sovereignty is contingent upon the legal status of the GPL. Economic suicide then. If you want to be picky. :-p -- | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows95 (noun): 32 bit extensions and a| | | graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit | | Andrew Halliwell BSc | operating system originally coded for a 4 bit | |in|microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that| | Computer Science |can't stand 1 bit of competition. | ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: The GPL dream is finally over!
Rex Ballard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A Copyright license is very much LIKE a contract, and it is as legally binding as a contract, however, there aren't a set of conditions that fulfill the contract at which point it is no longer necessary to honor the terms and conditions of the license. Not written into the license itself... But there is a limit.. the copyright limit. When that expires it enters public domain anyway. -- | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Windows95 (noun): 32 bit extensions and a| | | graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit | | Andrew Halliwell BSc | operating system originally coded for a 4 bit | |in|microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that| | Computer Science |can't stand 1 bit of competition. | ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: What OS is used By Richard Stallman
jellybean stonerfish wrote: On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 18:21:56 -0800, Andrew Gray wrote: Ignoramus5311 wrote: he is my hero from late childhood what OS is he using? thanks i This question has not been answered a single time, so this thread needs to continue without the presentation of new, more applicable topics. I could be really out of place with this. I'll post the link to stallman's statement about his system again for those who missed it http://www.stallman.org/stallman-computing. stonerfish Thanks again stonerfish; actually I did catch that the first time, I was just using my amazing power of sarcasm to will this topic to a close, it being the #1 thread in my inbox right now for no real reason. 3 -- Andrew Gray Free software | Free minds | Free neighbors | Free world ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Free Software Lifestyle
Ciaran O'Riordan wrote: Tim Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I bet if you look around, you'll find that you are happily using plenty of things that use non-free software every day. This argument is: You can't attain perfection, so don't try improving. I don't deny that at times free software advocates can seem cultish, and the borders between religion and cult can be somewhat blurry if you don't make major distinctions. With that in mind, let me make a metaphor, albeit a vague one. Catholics aren't Catholic so that they can be perfect; they're Catholic because they are imperfect and they want to strive to improve themselves, both for themselves and for their community. Catholics are Catholic also because they believe it is right. People may sin less if they follow a strict code, but that doesn't mean they're sinless by any means. I try to use Free Software as exclusively as possible not because I'm striving for perfection, but because I'm striving to prove a point by being the best person (by that standard, anyway) that I can be, regardless of whether or not I can attain a wholly exclusive usage. It doesn't mean I'm not apt to slip up every once in a while either by cultural necessity or ignorance, but I'm still *trying*. It certainly is a bit of a stretch, but the comparison makes sense to me. -- Andrew Gray Free software | Free minds | Free neighbors | Free world ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Free Software Lifestyle
David Golden wrote: Miles Bader wrote: Of course another question is whether social relationships which are are dependent on flash are worth saving... Heh. Indeed. Anyway, just to note in passing that Gnash works for many flash sites now /anyway/ - even including the likes of youtube. http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ Hey, thanks! I really should go through my software bookmarks more often to check up on those projects!! Installed ; ) -- Andrew Gray Free software | Free minds | Free neighbors | Free world ___ gnu-misc-discuss mailing list gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
Re: Bill Gates doesn't want Americans working for him
On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 09:29:44 -0700, Sandlin wrote: masked, You're right, but you know, the American people will (and I think are) catching on this predatory attitude, and Gates' empire is going to come down. Eventually. But this ass is going to do a whole bunch more damage to the US before that happens. South America and Europe are tiring of Gates practices, but, the Americans can be slow, Downright sheeplike. Damn shame. Serious problems with our media. Maybe he can move to India or China. (Isn't that, in Bill's opinion, where the skilled workers are?) He ought to do well in India where they can't even sell a computer developed for the poor of India for a couple hundred bucks. We oughta start with tar-n-feathers, then followup by putting him in the cargo hold of a deadeye flight to calcutta. ___ Gnu-misc-discuss mailing list Gnu-misc-discuss@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gnu-misc-discuss
