Re: [GNC] Using GnuCash Wiki: Add Stock Page: Screenshots Added

[john]

> On Oct 11, 2022, at 5:06 PM, Frank H. Ellenberger 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Am 12.10.22 um 01:34 schrieb R Losey:
>> In GnuCash 4.12 on my Mac, I don't have a "Type" field -- it's called "Name
>> Space" instead... I thought one needed to put the correct exchange there,
>> but now I'm not sure.
> 
> Before we had used in different GUI elements different names for the same 
> thing.
> 
> And we dropped the US centric and outdated list, which had confused many 
> users. Similar to the account code you can create your own system to 
> structure your investments.
> 
> The name of the exchange has only to be set inn some cases as F::Q source.

The namespace isn't even passed to F::Q. F::Q wouldn't know what to do with it. 
F::Q wants a quote source (e.g. yahoo_json, alphavantage, aex, etc.) and a 
symbol. If you're using F::Q you need to make sure that the symbol you set is 
the one that the quote source you choose understands for that particular 
security.

Namespaces are useful for symbol disambiguation. Although I don't know of a 
specific example, it's easily conceivable that the same symbol is used in 
different price sources referring to different stocks. The price database 
generally uses namespace and symbol for lookups, so putting the two securities 
in different namespaces allows the price database to easily find the right one 
when creating prices.

Absent duplication they're useful for you to categorize your holdings. You can 
use any arbitrary scheme you like: Exchange, industry, country, holding 
category (e.g. speculative, growth, value); however it makes sense to you to 
sort your investments. You can also use none at all, in which case GnuCash will 
create a Non-Currency category for you. Remember that the CURRENCY namespace is 
special, hard-conded, and restricted to currencies (including obsolete ones) 
recognized by the ISO-4217 committee. 

When the feature was originally written some 20 or so years ago the author 
hard-coded some US stock exchanges--NYSE, NASDEX, AMEX, etc.as examples. We've 
found that to confuse a lot of users, making them think that those were the 
only choices, or that the categories had to be exchanges, so we removed them a 
few releases ago while working on something related.

Regards,
John Ralls

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Re: [GNC] Using GnuCash Wiki: Add Stock Page: Screenshots Added

[Frank H. Ellenberger]

Am 12.10.22 um 01:34 schrieb R Losey:

In GnuCash 4.12 on my Mac, I don't have a "Type" field -- it's called "Name
Space" instead... I thought one needed to put the correct exchange there,
but now I'm not sure.


Before we had used in different GUI elements different names for the 
same thing.


And we dropped the US centric and outdated list, which had confused many 
users. Similar to the account code you can create your own system to 
structure your investments.


The name of the exchange has only to be set inn some cases as F::Q source.

HTH
Frank
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Re: [GNC] Sub-Accounting (Was: Problem with missing balance in a parent account **FINAL POST**)

[Stephen M. Butler]

Similarly, my Living Revocable Trust is a single savings account at the 
credit Union.  In GnC it is a placeholder account with the following 
sub-accounts:

    Sinking Fund
    Emergency Fund
    General Fund

Likewise, the non-trust account is a checking account that has two 
sub-accounts:

    HamFlags
    Personal

Keeping the "business" out of my personal activity just makes it easier 
to track.


I reconcile the two top accounts (separately) then check the "Include 
sub-accounts" so it is easy to check off all the items shown on the bank 
site.


Now, I am comfortable right clicking on the placeholder account and 
picking reconcile.  But I understand that some may want the button 
active in this situation.


--Steve

On 10/11/22 16:04, Robin Chattopadhyay wrote:

I strongly -- but respectfully -- disagree.

Gnucash works *brilliantly* for a sub-accounting use case with a single
bank account at a financial institution comprised of multiple sub-accounts.

For example, until my children were old enough/mature enough to have their
own savings accounts at our bank, I held all of their individual savings,
plus my own in a single account at the bank to take advantage of higher
interest rates for higher balances.

Like this:
Savings Account 1234 (Placeholder because I didn't want transactions
accidentally ending up here. Everything needs to be in a sub-account for my
own piece of mind)
--> Main Savings
--> Child A Savings
--> Child B Savings
--> Child C Savings
--> Vacation
--> Capital Improvement
--> etc. (other special purpose accounts)

I can always immediately tell, within Gnucash, what is due each child or
what their available balance is.

When reconciling to the bank statement, I can select the representation of
the bank account (Savings Account 1234), then click Actions -> Reconcile,
enter the ending balance from the statement, click Include sub-accounts,
and away I go. The reconcile window allows me to select any unreconciled
transaction from any of the sub-accounts and reconcile back to the
statement balance. Internal transfers between sub-accounts are not on the
bank statement, obviously, but can also be reconciled in the Reconcile
window as they will definitionally net to 0.00.

I can also allocate interest amongst the various sub-accounts with a single
credit to an Interest Income account and a debit to each sub-account.

The only place where this system breaks down is importing an OFX file as
the transaction importer doesn't understand matching transactions to sub
accounts. For me, this is a small, small price to pay for all the other
advantages I cited above.

I also employ this system for credit cards where certain transactions are
subject to a promotional interest rate, or I want to keep vacation
transactions separate. A single payment to the credit card issuer can be
allocated to each sub-account. Balances can be compared to the promotional
balances on the statement.

Robin

On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 9:11 AM John Layman 
wrote:


Reconcile appears in the menu, but it will not open a reconciliation of
the subordinates, and (presumably) the placeholder account itself is
empty.  You can expand the subordinates, but will not be able to reconcile
the expansion.

What you are attempting to do is understandable, but difficult from a data
modelling standpoint.  The constituent parts of a data structure have
semantics.  In your particular case: that of a checking account.  But you
are attempting to superimpose a breakdown of its contents that represent
different semantics.  These semantics clash somewhat with the semantics of
'checking account' and the related function of reconciliation required with
a bank statement.  So, while what you are attempting to accomplish is
understandable, the collision of semantics is difficult to harmonize.

There was recent mention of envelope budgeting here. Trying to implement
an envelope budgeting scheme by using sub-accounts to a single checking
account might be doable, but it would be a kluge insofar as it would
complicate reconciliation and wouldn't represent a generally suitable
envelope budget feature.  An envelope budgeting feature would necessarily
span multiple financial accounts, potentially across multiple institutions,
and require an entirely different view to be superimposed on the simple
tree structure accounts in GnuCash represent.  The tree structure is
GnuCash is tremendously flexible, but doesn't provide for multiple views.

-Original Message-
From: gnucash-user 
On Behalf Of Robin Chattopadhyay
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2022 5:05 PM
To: Gnucash Users 
Subject: Re: [GNC] Problem with missing balance in a parent account
**FINAL POST**

At the risk of sounding defensive (I assure you I'm not, just confused)
what is wrong with what I suggested (using the right-click/context menu on
the placeholder account)? In the screen shot attached, you can see that the
account I've selected is marked as placeholder and I can select the
Reconcile option from 

Re: [GNC] Using GnuCash Wiki: Add Stock Page: Screenshots Added

[R Losey]

David, I really like this, but I have a couple of comments

With the "We will take the stock Amazon (AMZN) as an example", I would
recommend: "We will take the stock Amazon as an example. It is traded on
the NASDAQ under the stock symbol AMZN"

In GnuCash 4.12 on my Mac, I don't have a "Type" field -- it's called "Name
Space" instead... I thought one needed to put the correct exchange there,
but now I'm not sure.


On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 9:55 AM David T. via gnucash-user <
gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote:

> Here are a few images for the page. I don't have upload capability. I am
> also including the presentation text/embedded images as I would write them.
>
>
> Adding a Security to GnuCash
>
> We will take the stock Amazon (AMZN) as an example.
>
>   * Go to Tools->Security Editor
>
> [SecurityEditor.png]
>
>   * In the Securities page, click "Add"
>
> [SecurityAdd.png]
>
>   * Put "Amazon.com, Inc." in the "Full Name" field
>   * Put "AMZN" in the "Symbol/Abbreviation" and (optionally) the
> "Display symbol" fields.
>   * Enter a category in the Type field. We'll use "NASDAQ".
>
> [NewSecurity.png]
>
>   * Optionally, if you want to get online prices, complete the following
> fields:-
>   o Check "Get Online Quotes"
>   o Select a preference for "Type of quote source"
> (Single|Multiple|Unknown)
>   o Choose the preferredFinance Quote
> <
> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/index.php?title=Stocks/add_stock=next=21277#Online_Quotes
> >source
> (e.g., "Yahoo as JSON") from the dropdown list
>
> [OnlineQuote.png]
>
> Once saved, this security can now be used to create an account to track
> your holdings.
>
>
> --
_
Richard Losey
rlo...@gmail.com
Micah 6:8
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Re: [GNC] Using GnuCash Wiki: Add Stock Page: Screenshots Added

[Frank H. Ellenberger]

Am 12.10.22 um 01:17 schrieb Geoff:

I have reverted all of my changes.


… and my also. :-(

Thanks
Frank
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Re: [GNC] Using GnuCash Wiki: Add Stock Page: Screenshots Added

[Geoff]

Thank you for sharing your expertise David.

As you have done all the work, you deserve the credit.  I have reverted 
all of my changes.  John has granted you upload privileges, so now it's 
over to you.


John - I don't have delete privileges, so would you mind deleting these 
two files when you have a chance:-


https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/File:Gnc_jb1_Add_Security.jpg
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/File:Gnc_jb2_Link_Account_to_Security.jpg

Thanks

Geoff
=

On 12/10/2022 1:52 am, David T. wrote:
Here are a few images for the page. I don't have upload capability. I am 
also including the presentation text/embedded images as I would write them.



Adding a Security to GnuCash

We will take the stock Amazon (AMZN) as an example.

  * Go to Tools->Security Editor

[SecurityEditor.png]

  * In the Securities page, click "Add"

[SecurityAdd.png]

  * Put "Amazon.com, Inc." in the "Full Name" field
  * Put "AMZN" in the "Symbol/Abbreviation" and (optionally) the
"Display symbol" fields.
  * Enter a category in the Type field. We'll use "NASDAQ".

[NewSecurity.png]

  * Optionally, if you want to get online prices, complete the following
fields:-
  o Check "Get Online Quotes"
  o Select a preference for "Type of quote source"
(Single|Multiple|Unknown)
  o Choose the preferredFinance Quote

source
 (e.g., "Yahoo as JSON") from the dropdown list

[OnlineQuote.png]

Once saved, this security can now be used to create an account to track 
your holdings.




Stay tuned.

Geoff
=

On 11/10/2022 10:02 pm, David T. wrote:
GnuCash is a multilingual application that is translated into a bunch 
of languages. None of that can happen with your screen shots. You 
simply *must* remove the text embedded in images, so that users in 
other languages can translate the wiki into their language of choice.


Not to mention users with low visual acuity, who use readers of text 
to listen to what is written.


You're leaving all these users out of your approach.

David T.
On Oct 11, 2022, at 1:16 PM, Geoff > wrote:


    Well, I'm not so sure about this one.  I think it depends upon an
    individual's learning style**.  Some people love to devour text, 
others

    delight in visuals.

    My personal preference, as I said in a previous reply, is to try and
    show the entire workflow from left to right.  Granted the pink 
text is a

    bit loud, and could be toned down as "captions".

    Coincidentally, they are the only text you can actually read unaided
    when viewing on a phone.

    I'll keep this in mind for the next one.

    Thanks once again.

    Regards

    Geoff
    =
    ** Yes I know that not everyone agrees with this theory, but it 
works

    for me:-
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=learning+styles+debunked 



    On 11/10/2022 6:59 pm, David T. wrote:

    Further comment on your screenshots: it is infinitely better 
to put

    instructional text as actual text in the wiki page, rather than
    embedding in the screenshot itself. I'd ask you to edit those
    screenshots to remove the text. The circling is IMHO okay; the
    text, not.

    So,

    Click New Account

    [Image of main window with New button circled)]


    Put "Amazon.com  >, Inc." (or whatever description you
    wish) into the "Account name" field

    Choose "Stock" as Account type

    [Image of New account window with circles)]


    Click on the "Select" button for the "Security/Currency" field

    Choose "NASDAQ" as type and "(AMZN) Amazon" as security

    Set Parent Account to an account in the Assets branch of your 
chart


    Click "Ok"



    David T.
    On Oct 11, 2022, at 10:37 AM, "David T. via gnucash-user"
    mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org>> 
wrote:


    Geoff,

    As it's a wiki, you just go for it.

    I was going to do just that, because your image width causes the
    browser page to shrink everything else on screen, making it
    incredibly hard for old eyes to read the (now miniscule) text.

    But, you've aggregated all the steps into one wide image. If I
    were going to enter this, I'd have separate screen shots of each
    dialog, and I'd put them next to the steps they illustrate. That
    way, there's less opportunity for confusion, and the page will
    display better.

    I'm also wondering why this clear information isn't in the Help
    (or if it is, where it is)...

    ⁣David T. ​

    On Oct 11, 2022, 8:07 AM, at 8:07 AM, Geoff
 wrote:

    Folks

    Thanks to assistance from John & David C, and inspiration from
    James
    Baxter, I have revised and 

Re: [GNC] Sub-Accounting (Was: Problem with missing balance in a parent account **FINAL POST**)

[Robin Chattopadhyay]

I strongly -- but respectfully -- disagree.

Gnucash works *brilliantly* for a sub-accounting use case with a single
bank account at a financial institution comprised of multiple sub-accounts.

For example, until my children were old enough/mature enough to have their
own savings accounts at our bank, I held all of their individual savings,
plus my own in a single account at the bank to take advantage of higher
interest rates for higher balances.

Like this:
Savings Account 1234 (Placeholder because I didn't want transactions
accidentally ending up here. Everything needs to be in a sub-account for my
own piece of mind)
--> Main Savings
--> Child A Savings
--> Child B Savings
--> Child C Savings
--> Vacation
--> Capital Improvement
--> etc. (other special purpose accounts)

I can always immediately tell, within Gnucash, what is due each child or
what their available balance is.

When reconciling to the bank statement, I can select the representation of
the bank account (Savings Account 1234), then click Actions -> Reconcile,
enter the ending balance from the statement, click Include sub-accounts,
and away I go. The reconcile window allows me to select any unreconciled
transaction from any of the sub-accounts and reconcile back to the
statement balance. Internal transfers between sub-accounts are not on the
bank statement, obviously, but can also be reconciled in the Reconcile
window as they will definitionally net to 0.00.

I can also allocate interest amongst the various sub-accounts with a single
credit to an Interest Income account and a debit to each sub-account.

The only place where this system breaks down is importing an OFX file as
the transaction importer doesn't understand matching transactions to sub
accounts. For me, this is a small, small price to pay for all the other
advantages I cited above.

I also employ this system for credit cards where certain transactions are
subject to a promotional interest rate, or I want to keep vacation
transactions separate. A single payment to the credit card issuer can be
allocated to each sub-account. Balances can be compared to the promotional
balances on the statement.

Robin

On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 9:11 AM John Layman 
wrote:

> Reconcile appears in the menu, but it will not open a reconciliation of
> the subordinates, and (presumably) the placeholder account itself is
> empty.  You can expand the subordinates, but will not be able to reconcile
> the expansion.
>
> What you are attempting to do is understandable, but difficult from a data
> modelling standpoint.  The constituent parts of a data structure have
> semantics.  In your particular case: that of a checking account.  But you
> are attempting to superimpose a breakdown of its contents that represent
> different semantics.  These semantics clash somewhat with the semantics of
> 'checking account' and the related function of reconciliation required with
> a bank statement.  So, while what you are attempting to accomplish is
> understandable, the collision of semantics is difficult to harmonize.
>
> There was recent mention of envelope budgeting here. Trying to implement
> an envelope budgeting scheme by using sub-accounts to a single checking
> account might be doable, but it would be a kluge insofar as it would
> complicate reconciliation and wouldn't represent a generally suitable
> envelope budget feature.  An envelope budgeting feature would necessarily
> span multiple financial accounts, potentially across multiple institutions,
> and require an entirely different view to be superimposed on the simple
> tree structure accounts in GnuCash represent.  The tree structure is
> GnuCash is tremendously flexible, but doesn't provide for multiple views.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: gnucash-user 
> On Behalf Of Robin Chattopadhyay
> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2022 5:05 PM
> To: Gnucash Users 
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Problem with missing balance in a parent account
> **FINAL POST**
>
> At the risk of sounding defensive (I assure you I'm not, just confused)
> what is wrong with what I suggested (using the right-click/context menu on
> the placeholder account)? In the screen shot attached, you can see that the
> account I've selected is marked as placeholder and I can select the
> Reconcile option from that account.
>
> I'm using 4.12 on Ubuntu 22.04.
>
> Robin
>
> On Mon, Oct 10, 2022 at 8:21 AM john  wrote:
>
> > Please remember to copy the list on all replies.
> >
> > If you want the Reconcile button (and, contrary to what Robin
> > Chatterjay wrote, Actions>Reconcile) to be active for your account,
> > make it not a placeholder.
> >
> > Regards,
> > John Ralls
> >
> >
> > > On Oct 10, 2022, at 7:56 AM, Jay Ridgley 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Good morning,
> > >
> > > After some additional research I believe that the ONLY problem is
> > > the
> > grayed out reconcile button.
> > >
> > > I was confused about the balance showing in the Parent Account,
> > Placeholder. It shows in the Reconcile Popup 

Re: [GNC] Problems upgrading to 4.8a

[Phil Wolff via gnucash-user]

   On 10/10/22 12:14, Geert Janssens wrote:

   Phil,

   I'm sorry I stopped responding on this thread. I ran out of time and
   also out of things to suggest. This is the first time I have ever seen
   the situation where dconf-editor and gsettings (cli tool) work fine and
   gnucash doesn't.

   So far gsettings issues have always been the result of missing schema
   files or an old set being found before the proper ones.

   So the only clue left for now is to figure out exactly which schema
   folders gnucash checks. That's why I was looking for a way to print the
   contents of variable XDG_DATA_DIRS gnucash sees while starting.

   Do you still have the file

   $HOME/.config/gnucash/config-user.scm

   With the contents to print XDG__DATA_DIRS ?
   Welcome back!! Yes, I still have it.

 If so, can you run gnucash from the command line as follows:

 gnucash --no-file --logto stderr

 And post the result that's printed in the terminal here ?

   I ran it, and got a long dump of error messages (below). The first few
   lines confirm that /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/gschemas.compiled is not
   being read. After some thought, I deleted
   /usr/local/share/glib-2.0/schemas/gschemas.compiled and ran the command
   again:

   [1]dellbert@dellbert:/usr/local/share/glib-2.0/schemas$ gnucash
   --nofile --logto stderr
   * 16:15:15  WARN 
   XDG__DATA_DIRS=/usr/share/ubuntu-xorg:/usr/share/gnome:/home/dellbert/.
   local/share/flatpak/exports/share:/var/lib/flatpak/exports/share:/usr/l
   ocal/share/:/usr/share/:/var/lib/snapd/desktop
   Found Finance::Quote version 1.51.
   Encouraged by this, I tried gnucash from the desktop icon, and it
   started up just like it did before the upgrade - splash screen,
   register page, scheduled transaction preview, the whole nine yards.

   I created an empty file (touch gschemas.compiled) and tried again -
   same successful result.

   I renamed the schemas folder, created a new one, copied one schema file
   (org.gnome.rhythmbox.gschema.xml) from /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas,
   compiled it and ran the test command again. The result was a long dump
   like the one below.

   It appears that, unlike the previous version I was running, this
   version (4.8a+(2021-09-28)) of gnucash can't tolerate a non-trivial
   /usr/local/share/glib-2.0/schemas/gschemas.compiled file.

   Here's the original dump:

   [2]dellbert@dellbert:/usr/local/share/glib-2.0/schemas$ gnucash
   --nofile --logto stderr
   * 16:34:36 ERROR  g_settings_new_full: assertion 'schema !=
   NULL' failed
   * 16:34:36  WARN 
   [gnc_gsettings_get_settings_ptr()] Ignoring attempt to access unknown
   gsettings schema org.gnucash.GnuCash.general
   * 16:34:36 ERROR  GVariant*
   gnc_gsettings_get_user_value(const gchar*, const gchar*): assertion
   'G_IS_SETTINGS (settings_ptr)' failed
   * 16:34:36 ERROR  g_settings_new_full: assertion 'schema !=
   NULL' failed
   * 16:34:36  WARN 
   [gnc_gsettings_get_settings_ptr()] Ignoring attempt to access unknown
   gsettings schema org.gnucash.general
   * 16:34:36 ERROR  GVariant*
   gnc_gsettings_get_user_value(const gchar*, const gchar*): assertion
   'G_IS_SETTINGS (settings_ptr)' failed
   * 16:34:36 ERROR  g_settings_new_full: assertion 'schema !=
   NULL' failed
   * 16:34:36  WARN 
   [gnc_gsettings_get_settings_ptr()] Ignoring attempt to access unknown
   gsettings schema org.gnucash.GnuCash.general
   * 16:34:36 ERROR  gdouble gnc_gsettings_get_float(const
   gchar*, const gchar*): assertion 'G_IS_SETTINGS (settings_ptr)' failed
   * 16:34:36 ERROR  g_settings_new_full: assertion 'schema !=
   NULL' failed
   * 16:34:36  WARN 
   [gnc_gsettings_get_settings_ptr()] Ignoring attempt to access unknown
   gsettings schema org.gnucash.GnuCash.general
   * 16:34:36 ERROR  gboolean gnc_gsettings_get_bool(const
   gchar*, const gchar*): assertion 'G_IS_SETTINGS (settings_ptr)' failed
   * 16:34:36 ERROR  g_settings_new_full: assertion 'schema !=
   NULL' failed
   * 16:34:36  WARN 
   [gnc_gsettings_get_settings_ptr()] Ignoring attempt to access unknown
   gsettings schema org.gnucash.GnuCash.general
   * 16:34:36 ERROR  gboolean gnc_gsettings_get_bool(const
   gchar*, const gchar*): assertion 'G_IS_SETTINGS (settings_ptr)' failed
   * 16:34:36 ERROR  g_settings_new_full: assertion 'schema !=
   NULL' failed
   * 16:34:36  WARN 
   [gnc_gsettings_get_settings_ptr()] Ignoring attempt to access unknown
   gsettings schema org.gnucash.GnuCash.general
   * 16:34:36 ERROR  gboolean gnc_gsettings_get_bool(const
   gchar*, const gchar*): assertion 'G_IS_SETTINGS (settings_ptr)' failed
   * 16:34:36  WARN  [file_retain_type_changed_cb()] no
   file retention policy was set, assuming conservative policy 'forever'
   * 16:34:36 ERROR  g_settings_new_full: assertion 'schema !=
   NULL' failed
   * 16:34:36  WARN 
   [gnc_gsettings_get_settings_ptr()] Ignoring attempt to access unknown
   gsettings schema org.gnucash.GnuCash.general
   * 16:34:36 ERROR  

Re: [GNC] How to include images in the Wiki?

[john]

David,

OK, done. 

Regards,
John Ralls

> On Oct 11, 2022, at 4:29 AM, David T. via gnucash-user 
>  wrote:
> 
> John,
> 
> sunfish62 (that's me) is also asking for such access.
> 
> On 10/11/2022 6:38 AM, john wrote:
>> 
>>> On Oct 10, 2022, at 9:01 PM, Geoff  wrote:
>>> 
>>> So, how do I go about obtaining "uploadaccess", or finding a friendly and 
>>> patient Administrator to upload images on my behalf?
>> Just ask!
>> 
>> What's your wiki username?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> John Ralls
>> 
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Re: [GNC] Feature Request - Totals in Search Results

[Gyle McCollam]

I'm surprised that it doesn't already do that, but this is not the forum to 
request enhancements.  You should log into the bug reporting system, even 
though this is not a bug.  There you can request an enhancement under the 
severity section.


Thank You,

Gyle McCollam

Gyle McCollam

gmccol...@live.com   email


From: gnucash-user  on 
behalf of M 
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2022 10:50 AM
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org 
Subject: [GNC] Feature Request - Totals in Search Results

First, thanks to all the great contributors to this project. Gnucash has
really matured during the 3+ years I've been using it. Thanks again.

Second, I have a quick feature request.  When conducting a search (Edit
-> Find...) it would be very useful if the results would populate with a
summary of the totals at the bottom of the screen (much like an account
register does).  I realize this information can be found by running a
transaction report, but it sure would be quick and easy if a summary
appeared in the Search Results transactions window.

Thanks again for everyone's work.

MIke
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Re: [GNC] GnuCash Tools>Online Banking Setup NOT working for me

[Glenn Serre]

Good morning,

To add to what Gyle said, even though I recently made a mildly
successful attempt to get aqbanking working with Bank of the West
(BOW), I have decided to stick with downloading monthly qfx files that
match my pdf statements.  In addition to Gyle's reasons, what I like
about this is:

- OFX direct connect support for non-Quicken applications is iffy.
The old ofxhome info for BOW does not work, and I had to get the
client id from the quicken logs. BOW tech support was unhelpful.

- BOW seems to only support an old version of the OFX protocol (I was
hoping to get check images using OFX 2.0).

- The downloaded qfx files provide a way to reconstruct my accounts
should anything go wrong with my gnucash db.

- If I detect in the reconcile that I messed something up, the
matching statements help me resolve the issue.

-- Glenn S.

On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 7:30 AM Gyle McCollam  wrote:
>
> Shiv,
> I also should have mentioned that I stopped using Aqbanking because too many 
> of my financial institutions won't work with it.  I have found that going to 
> the financial institutions' websites, which I do on a regular basis anyway, 
> and downloading the transactions in the desired format and then importing 
> into Gnu Cash works just as well with the added benefit of not having 
> passwords stored in yet another piece of software.  For security reasons, I 
> like having my passwords stored in Bitwarden only, my password manager.
>
>
> Thank You,
>
> Gyle McCollam
>
> Gyle McCollam
>
> gmccol...@live.com   email
>
> 
> From: gnucash-user  on 
> behalf of Shiv Jhawar 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2022 8:28 AM
> To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org 
> Subject: Re: [GNC] GnuCash Tools>Online Banking Setup NOT working for me
>
> Hello,
>
> Please help.
>
> I am using for the first time:
> GnuCash Version: 4.12
> Build ID: 4.12+(2022-09-24)
>
> I select: Tools>Online Banking Setup> Start Online Banking Setup> Start
> AQBanking Setup> OFX-DirectConnect backend>Run>Bank Name>Select a bank
> (matching banks NOT shown when I type in Bank of America)
>
> I am not able to setup  Bank of America Checking account for Actions>Online
> Actions>Get Transactions despite hours of efforts. "Not Responding" shows
> up whenever I make any selection from the top menu.
>
> I followed this link:
> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Setting_up_OFXDirectConnect
>
> Bank Name: Bank of America
> FID: 5959
> ORG: HAN
> Server URL: https://eftx.bankofamerica.com/eftxweb/access.ofx
>
> User Name: Shiv Jhawar
> User ID: sjhawar7
> Client UID
>
> The user has been successfully setup. You can now try to retrieve the list
> of accounts...
>
> Enter Password: I entered my password
>
> Requesting Account List:
> Screen pops up showing:
>
> 07:08:04 Sending request...
> 07:08:05 Using GnuTLS default ciphers.
> 07:08:05 TLS: SSL-Ciphers negotiated: TLS1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES-128-GCM:AEAD
> 07:08:05 Waiting for response...
> 07:08:05 Parsing response...
> 07:08:05 Status for signon request: *General error (Code 2000, severity
> "ERROR")*
> Error other than those specified by the remaining error codes. (Note:
> Servers should provide a more specific error whenever possible. Error code
> 2000 should be reserved for cases in which a more specific code is not
> available.)
> 07:08:05 Status for account info request: General error (Code 2000,
> severity "ERROR")
> Error other than those specified by the remaining error codes. (Note:
> Servers should provide a more specific error whenever possible. Error code
> 2000 should be reserved for cases in which a more specific code is not
> available.)
> 07:08:05 Operation finished, you can now close this window.
>
> Please *see attached screenshots.*
> *I get the following error:*
>
> *Error on executing job*
> *Status:enqueued (1)*
>
>
> Have a peaceful day!
> Thanks -
> Shiv
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Re: [GNC] Using GnuCash Wiki: Add Stock Page: Screenshots Added

[David T. via gnucash-user]

Here are a few images for the page. I don't have upload capability. I am 
also including the presentation text/embedded images as I would write them.



   Adding a Security to GnuCash

We will take the stock Amazon (AMZN) as an example.

 * Go to Tools->Security Editor

[SecurityEditor.png]

 * In the Securities page, click "Add"

[SecurityAdd.png]

 * Put "Amazon.com, Inc." in the "Full Name" field
 * Put "AMZN" in the "Symbol/Abbreviation" and (optionally) the
   "Display symbol" fields.
 * Enter a category in the Type field. We'll use "NASDAQ".

[NewSecurity.png]

 * Optionally, if you want to get online prices, complete the following
   fields:-
 o Check "Get Online Quotes"
 o Select a preference for "Type of quote source"
   (Single|Multiple|Unknown)
 o Choose the preferredFinance Quote
   
source
   (e.g., "Yahoo as JSON") from the dropdown list

[OnlineQuote.png]

Once saved, this security can now be used to create an account to track 
your holdings.




Stay tuned.

Geoff
=

On 11/10/2022 10:02 pm, David T. wrote:
GnuCash is a multilingual application that is translated into a bunch 
of languages. None of that can happen with your screen shots. You 
simply *must* remove the text embedded in images, so that users in 
other languages can translate the wiki into their language of choice.


Not to mention users with low visual acuity, who use readers of text 
to listen to what is written.


You're leaving all these users out of your approach.

David T.
On Oct 11, 2022, at 1:16 PM, Geoff > wrote:


    Well, I'm not so sure about this one.  I think it depends upon an
    individual's learning style**.  Some people love to devour text, 
others

    delight in visuals.

    My personal preference, as I said in a previous reply, is to try and
    show the entire workflow from left to right.  Granted the pink 
text is a

    bit loud, and could be toned down as "captions".

    Coincidentally, they are the only text you can actually read unaided
    when viewing on a phone.

    I'll keep this in mind for the next one.

    Thanks once again.

    Regards

    Geoff
    =
    ** Yes I know that not everyone agrees with this theory, but it 
works

    for me:-
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=learning+styles+debunked 



    On 11/10/2022 6:59 pm, David T. wrote:

    Further comment on your screenshots: it is infinitely better 
to put

    instructional text as actual text in the wiki page, rather than
    embedding in the screenshot itself. I'd ask you to edit those
    screenshots to remove the text. The circling is IMHO okay; the
    text, not.

    So,

    Click New Account

    [Image of main window with New button circled)]


    Put "Amazon.com  >, Inc." (or whatever description you
    wish) into the "Account name" field

    Choose "Stock" as Account type

    [Image of New account window with circles)]


    Click on the "Select" button for the "Security/Currency" field

    Choose "NASDAQ" as type and "(AMZN) Amazon" as security

    Set Parent Account to an account in the Assets branch of your 
chart


    Click "Ok"



    David T.
    On Oct 11, 2022, at 10:37 AM, "David T. via gnucash-user"
    mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org>> 
wrote:


    Geoff,

    As it's a wiki, you just go for it.

    I was going to do just that, because your image width causes the
    browser page to shrink everything else on screen, making it
    incredibly hard for old eyes to read the (now miniscule) text.

    But, you've aggregated all the steps into one wide image. If I
    were going to enter this, I'd have separate screen shots of each
    dialog, and I'd put them next to the steps they illustrate. That
    way, there's less opportunity for confusion, and the page will
    display better.

    I'm also wondering why this clear information isn't in the Help
    (or if it is, where it is)...

    ⁣David T. ​

    On Oct 11, 2022, 8:07 AM, at 8:07 AM, Geoff
 wrote:

    Folks

    Thanks to assistance from John & David C, and inspiration from
    James
    Baxter, I have revised and updated the "Add Stock" page on the
    "Using
    GnuCash" Wiki to include some screenshots to make the process
    clearer
    for new and unfamiliar users.

https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Stocks/add_stock

    >

https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Using_GnuCash

    

[GNC] Feature Request - Totals in Search Results

[M]

First, thanks to all the great contributors to this project. Gnucash has 
really matured during the 3+ years I've been using it. Thanks again.


Second, I have a quick feature request.  When conducting a search (Edit 
-> Find...) it would be very useful if the results would populate with a 
summary of the totals at the bottom of the screen (much like an account 
register does).  I realize this information can be found by running a 
transaction report, but it sure would be quick and easy if a summary 
appeared in the Search Results transactions window.


Thanks again for everyone's work.

MIke
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Re: [GNC] GnuCash Tools>Online Banking Setup NOT working for me

[Gyle McCollam]

Shiv,
I also should have mentioned that I stopped using Aqbanking because too many of 
my financial institutions won't work with it.  I have found that going to the 
financial institutions' websites, which I do on a regular basis anyway, and 
downloading the transactions in the desired format and then importing into Gnu 
Cash works just as well with the added benefit of not having passwords stored 
in yet another piece of software.  For security reasons, I like having my 
passwords stored in Bitwarden only, my password manager.


Thank You,

Gyle McCollam

Gyle McCollam

gmccol...@live.com   email


From: gnucash-user  on 
behalf of Shiv Jhawar 
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2022 8:28 AM
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org 
Subject: Re: [GNC] GnuCash Tools>Online Banking Setup NOT working for me

Hello,

Please help.

I am using for the first time:
GnuCash Version: 4.12
Build ID: 4.12+(2022-09-24)

I select: Tools>Online Banking Setup> Start Online Banking Setup> Start
AQBanking Setup> OFX-DirectConnect backend>Run>Bank Name>Select a bank
(matching banks NOT shown when I type in Bank of America)

I am not able to setup  Bank of America Checking account for Actions>Online
Actions>Get Transactions despite hours of efforts. "Not Responding" shows
up whenever I make any selection from the top menu.

I followed this link:
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Setting_up_OFXDirectConnect

Bank Name: Bank of America
FID: 5959
ORG: HAN
Server URL: https://eftx.bankofamerica.com/eftxweb/access.ofx

User Name: Shiv Jhawar
User ID: sjhawar7
Client UID

The user has been successfully setup. You can now try to retrieve the list
of accounts...

Enter Password: I entered my password

Requesting Account List:
Screen pops up showing:

07:08:04 Sending request...
07:08:05 Using GnuTLS default ciphers.
07:08:05 TLS: SSL-Ciphers negotiated: TLS1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES-128-GCM:AEAD
07:08:05 Waiting for response...
07:08:05 Parsing response...
07:08:05 Status for signon request: *General error (Code 2000, severity
"ERROR")*
Error other than those specified by the remaining error codes. (Note:
Servers should provide a more specific error whenever possible. Error code
2000 should be reserved for cases in which a more specific code is not
available.)
07:08:05 Status for account info request: General error (Code 2000,
severity "ERROR")
Error other than those specified by the remaining error codes. (Note:
Servers should provide a more specific error whenever possible. Error code
2000 should be reserved for cases in which a more specific code is not
available.)
07:08:05 Operation finished, you can now close this window.

Please *see attached screenshots.*
*I get the following error:*

*Error on executing job*
*Status:enqueued (1)*


Have a peaceful day!
Thanks -
Shiv
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Re: [GNC] GnuCash Tools>Online Banking Setup NOT working for me

[Gyle McCollam]

Don't know about BOA, but Citi Bank requires special setup and a different 
password than online banking password. Did you check with BOA?



Sent from Samsung Galaxy smartphone.



 Original message 
From: Shiv Jhawar 
Date: 10/11/22 8:29 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] GnuCash Tools>Online Banking Setup NOT working for me

Hello,

Please help.

I am using for the first time:
GnuCash Version: 4.12
Build ID: 4.12+(2022-09-24)

I select: Tools>Online Banking Setup> Start Online Banking Setup> Start
AQBanking Setup> OFX-DirectConnect backend>Run>Bank Name>Select a bank
(matching banks NOT shown when I type in Bank of America)

I am not able to setup  Bank of America Checking account for Actions>Online
Actions>Get Transactions despite hours of efforts. "Not Responding" shows
up whenever I make any selection from the top menu.

I followed this link:
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Setting_up_OFXDirectConnect

Bank Name: Bank of America
FID: 5959
ORG: HAN
Server URL: https://eftx.bankofamerica.com/eftxweb/access.ofx

User Name: Shiv Jhawar
User ID: sjhawar7
Client UID

The user has been successfully setup. You can now try to retrieve the list
of accounts...

Enter Password: I entered my password

Requesting Account List:
Screen pops up showing:

07:08:04 Sending request...
07:08:05 Using GnuTLS default ciphers.
07:08:05 TLS: SSL-Ciphers negotiated: TLS1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES-128-GCM:AEAD
07:08:05 Waiting for response...
07:08:05 Parsing response...
07:08:05 Status for signon request: *General error (Code 2000, severity
"ERROR")*
Error other than those specified by the remaining error codes. (Note:
Servers should provide a more specific error whenever possible. Error code
2000 should be reserved for cases in which a more specific code is not
available.)
07:08:05 Status for account info request: General error (Code 2000,
severity "ERROR")
Error other than those specified by the remaining error codes. (Note:
Servers should provide a more specific error whenever possible. Error code
2000 should be reserved for cases in which a more specific code is not
available.)
07:08:05 Operation finished, you can now close this window.

Please *see attached screenshots.*
*I get the following error:*

*Error on executing job*
*Status:enqueued (1)*


Have a peaceful day!
Thanks -
Shiv
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Re: [GNC] Using GnuCash Wiki: Add Stock Page: Screenshots Added

[Geoff]

Well David, I am happy to defer to your experience, however the 
screenshots contain GnuCash labels in the same language, so I am not 
sure how that works?


I'll clean them up this week.

Stay tuned.

Geoff
=

On 11/10/2022 10:02 pm, David T. wrote:
GnuCash is a multilingual application that is translated into a bunch of 
languages. None of that can happen with your screen shots. You simply 
*must* remove the text embedded in images, so that users in other 
languages can translate the wiki into their language of choice.


Not to mention users with low visual acuity, who use readers of text to 
listen to what is written.


You're leaving all these users out of your approach.

David T.
On Oct 11, 2022, at 1:16 PM, Geoff > wrote:


Well, I'm not so sure about this one.  I think it depends upon an
individual's learning style**.  Some people love to devour text, others
delight in visuals.

My personal preference, as I said in a previous reply, is to try and
show the entire workflow from left to right.  Granted the pink text is a
bit loud, and could be toned down as "captions".

Coincidentally, they are the only text you can actually read unaided
when viewing on a phone.

I'll keep this in mind for the next one.

Thanks once again.

Regards

Geoff
=
** Yes I know that not everyone agrees with this theory, but it works
for me:-
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=learning+styles+debunked  


On 11/10/2022 6:59 pm, David T. wrote:

Further comment on your screenshots: it is infinitely better to put
instructional text as actual text in the wiki page, rather than
embedding in the screenshot itself. I'd ask you to edit those
screenshots to remove the text. The circling is IMHO okay; the
text, not.

So,

Click New Account

[Image of main window with New button circled)]


Put "Amazon.com  >, Inc." (or whatever description you
wish) into the "Account name" field

Choose "Stock" as Account type

[Image of New account window with circles)]


Click on the "Select" button for the "Security/Currency" field

Choose "NASDAQ" as type and "(AMZN) Amazon" as security

Set Parent Account to an account in the Assets branch of your chart

Click "Ok"



David T.
On Oct 11, 2022, at 10:37 AM, "David T. via gnucash-user"
mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org>> wrote:

Geoff,

As it's a wiki, you just go for it.

I was going to do just that, because your image width causes the
browser page to shrink everything else on screen, making it
incredibly hard for old eyes to read the (now miniscule) text.

But, you've aggregated all the steps into one wide image. If I
were going to enter this, I'd have separate screen shots of each
dialog, and I'd put them next to the steps they illustrate. That
way, there's less opportunity for confusion, and the page will
display better.

I'm also wondering why this clear information isn't in the Help
(or if it is, where it is)...

⁣David T. ​

On Oct 11, 2022, 8:07 AM, at 8:07 AM, Geoff
 wrote:

Folks

Thanks to assistance from John & David C, and inspiration from
James
Baxter, I have revised and updated the "Add Stock" page on the
"Using
GnuCash" Wiki to include some screenshots to make the process
clearer
for new and unfamiliar users.

https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Stocks/add_stock

>

https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Using_GnuCash

>

This is my first Wiki update - is there a peer review process,
or do we

just go for it?

:--))

Thanks

Geoff
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Re: [GNC] How to include images in the Wiki?

[David T. via gnucash-user]

John,

sunfish62 (that's me) is also asking for such access.

On 10/11/2022 6:38 AM, john wrote:



On Oct 10, 2022, at 9:01 PM, Geoff  wrote:

So, how do I go about obtaining "uploadaccess", or finding a friendly and 
patient Administrator to upload images on my behalf?

Just ask!

What's your wiki username?

Regards,
John Ralls

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Re: [GNC] Using GnuCash Wiki: Add Stock Page: Screenshots Added

[David T. via gnucash-user]

GnuCash is a multilingual application that is translated into a bunch of 
languages. None of that can happen with your screen shots. You simply *must* 
remove the text embedded in images, so that users in other languages can 
translate the wiki into their language of choice. 

Not to mention users with low visual acuity, who use readers of text to listen 
to what is written. 

You're leaving all these users out of your approach. 

David T. ​

On Oct 11, 2022, 1:16 PM, at 1:16 PM, Geoff  wrote:
>Well, I'm not so sure about this one.  I think it depends upon an 
>individual's learning style**.  Some people love to devour text, others
>
>delight in visuals.
>
>My personal preference, as I said in a previous reply, is to try and 
>show the entire workflow from left to right.  Granted the pink text is
>a 
>bit loud, and could be toned down as "captions".
>
>Coincidentally, they are the only text you can actually read unaided 
>when viewing on a phone.
>
>I'll keep this in mind for the next one.
>
>Thanks once again.
>
>Regards
>
>Geoff
>=
>** Yes I know that not everyone agrees with this theory, but it works 
>for me:-
>https://www.google.com.au/search?q=learning+styles+debunked
>
>On 11/10/2022 6:59 pm, David T. wrote:
>> Further comment on your screenshots: it is infinitely better to put 
>> instructional text as actual text in the wiki page, rather than 
>> embedding in the screenshot itself. I'd ask you to edit those 
>> screenshots to remove the text. The circling is IMHO okay; the text,
>not.
>> 
>> So,
>> 
>> Click New Account
>> 
>> [Image of main window with New button circled)]
>> 
>> 
>> Put "Amazon.com , Inc." (or whatever description
>you 
>> wish) into the "Account name" field
>> 
>> Choose "Stock" as Account type
>> 
>> [Image of New account window with circles)]
>> 
>> 
>> Click on the "Select" button for the "Security/Currency" field
>> 
>> Choose "NASDAQ" as type and "(AMZN) Amazon" as security
>> 
>> Set Parent Account to an account in the Assets branch of your chart
>> 
>> Click "Ok"
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> David T.
>> On Oct 11, 2022, at 10:37 AM, "David T. via gnucash-user" 
>> mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org>> wrote:
>> 
>> Geoff,
>> 
>> As it's a wiki, you just go for it.
>> 
>> I was going to do just that, because your image width causes the
>browser page to shrink everything else on screen, making it incredibly
>hard for old eyes to read the (now miniscule) text.
>> 
>> But, you've aggregated all the steps into one wide image. If I
>were going to enter this, I'd have separate screen shots of each
>dialog, and I'd put them next to the steps they illustrate. That way,
>there's less opportunity for confusion, and the page will display
>better.
>> 
>> I'm also wondering why this clear information isn't in the Help
>(or if it is, where it is)...
>> 
>> ⁣David T. ​
>> 
>> On Oct 11, 2022, 8:07 AM, at 8:07 AM, Geoff
> wrote:
>> 
>> Folks
>> 
>> Thanks to assistance from John & David C, and inspiration
>from
>> James
>> Baxter, I have revised and updated the "Add Stock" page on
>the
>> "Using
>> GnuCash" Wiki to include some screenshots to make the process
>> clearer
>> for new and unfamiliar users.
>> 
>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Stocks/add_stock
>> 
>> 
>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Using_GnuCash
>> 
>> 
>> This is my first Wiki update - is there a peer review
>process,
>> or do we
>> 
>> just go for it?
>> 
>> :--))
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Geoff
>> =
>> 
>>
>
>> 
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Re: [GNC] Using GnuCash Wiki: Add Stock Page: Screenshots Added

[Geoff]

Well, I'm not so sure about this one.  I think it depends upon an 
individual's learning style**.  Some people love to devour text, others 
delight in visuals.


My personal preference, as I said in a previous reply, is to try and 
show the entire workflow from left to right.  Granted the pink text is a 
bit loud, and could be toned down as "captions".


Coincidentally, they are the only text you can actually read unaided 
when viewing on a phone.


I'll keep this in mind for the next one.

Thanks once again.

Regards

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On 11/10/2022 6:59 pm, David T. wrote:
Further comment on your screenshots: it is infinitely better to put 
instructional text as actual text in the wiki page, rather than 
embedding in the screenshot itself. I'd ask you to edit those 
screenshots to remove the text. The circling is IMHO okay; the text, not.


So,

Click New Account

[Image of main window with New button circled)]


Put "Amazon.com , Inc." (or whatever description you 
wish) into the "Account name" field


Choose "Stock" as Account type

[Image of New account window with circles)]


Click on the "Select" button for the "Security/Currency" field

Choose "NASDAQ" as type and "(AMZN) Amazon" as security

Set Parent Account to an account in the Assets branch of your chart

Click "Ok"



David T.
On Oct 11, 2022, at 10:37 AM, "David T. via gnucash-user" 
mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org>> wrote:


Geoff,

As it's a wiki, you just go for it.

I was going to do just that, because your image width causes the browser 
page to shrink everything else on screen, making it incredibly hard for old 
eyes to read the (now miniscule) text.

But, you've aggregated all the steps into one wide image. If I were going 
to enter this, I'd have separate screen shots of each dialog, and I'd put them 
next to the steps they illustrate. That way, there's less opportunity for 
confusion, and the page will display better.

I'm also wondering why this clear information isn't in the Help (or if it 
is, where it is)...

⁣David T. ​

On Oct 11, 2022, 8:07 AM, at 8:07 AM, Geoff  
wrote:

Folks

Thanks to assistance from John & David C, and inspiration from
James
Baxter, I have revised and updated the "Add Stock" page on the
"Using
GnuCash" Wiki to include some screenshots to make the process
clearer
for new and unfamiliar users.

https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Stocks/add_stock


https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Using_GnuCash


This is my first Wiki update - is there a peer review process,
or do we

just go for it?

:--))

Thanks

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Re: [GNC] Using GnuCash Wiki: Add Stock Page: Screenshots Added

[Geoff]

Hmmm, I've just had a look at this on my phone.

As soon as you switch to a small screen device, *everything* in the Wiki 
switches to "minuscule text" mode, it's certainly not caused by my 
screenshots.


A cursory inspection of the HTML headers shows that the Wiki framework 
seems to be a "legacy" version of MediaWiki that is oblivious of the 
device it is rendering on, (unlike, say, Wikipedia itself); but we won't 
solve that problem overnight...



As to separating the images, my thinking is:-
* GnuCash is very much a desktop application
* GnuCash is generally more usable in Landscape mode
* Old monitors are Landscape oriented
* Modern monitors are even more stretched to Landscape

So, by my logic, a typical GnuCash Wiki reader will be more comfortable 
with a wide screen approach rather than a (scrolling) deep screen 
approach.  Keeping the screenshots in a single, wide image makes it 
easier to follow the workflow and see the complete story in one glance.


But, hey, it's a Wiki.  I'm sure that the next person who comes along 
(average edits are ~4 years apart) will have different views again.


Thanks again for the review.

Regards

Geoff
=

On 11/10/2022 8:35 pm, David T. wrote:

I'm opening the page on Android devices in Chrome.

I still feel that each of the windows should be placed in a separate 
image, in the actual instructional sequence.


David T.
On Oct 11, 2022, at 11:05 AM, Geoff > wrote:


Hi David

Thanks for the review.

I tested this (on Windows) in Firefox, Chrome, and Edge; and (if the
window wasn't wide enough) all browsers just created a horizontal slide
bar and kept the original (non-minuscule) text size.

What browser and operating system are you using?

I did look at the Help, however the requirements to edit it are rather
daunting, so I am starting my very modest contributions in the Wiki.

Regards

Geoff
=

On 11/10/2022 6:33 pm, David T. wrote:

Geoff,

As it's a wiki, you just go for it.

I was going to do just that, because your image width causes the
browser
page to shrink everything else on screen, making it incredibly
hard for
old eyes to read the (now miniscule) text.

But, you've aggregated all the steps into one wide image. If I were
going to enter this, I'd have separate screen shots of each
dialog, and
I'd put them next to the steps they illustrate. That way,
there's less
opportunity for confusion, and the page will display better.

I'm also wondering why this clear information isn't in the Help
(or if
it is, where it is)...

David T.
On Oct 11, 2022, at 8:07 AM, Geoff mailto:cleanoutmys...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Folks

Thanks to assistance from John & David C, and inspiration from James
Baxter, I have revised and updated the "Add Stock" page on the
"Using
GnuCash" Wiki to include some screenshots to make the process
clearer
for new and unfamiliar users.

https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Stocks/add_stock

>

https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Using_GnuCash

>

This is my first Wiki update - is there a peer review process,
or do we
just go for it?

:--))

Thanks

Geoff
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Re: [GNC] Using GnuCash Wiki: Add Stock Page: Screenshots Added

[David T. via gnucash-user]

I'm opening the page on Android devices in Chrome. 

I still feel that each of the windows should be placed in a separate image, in 
the actual instructional sequence. 

⁣David T. ​

On Oct 11, 2022, 11:05 AM, at 11:05 AM, Geoff  wrote:
>Hi David
>
>Thanks for the review.
>
>I tested this (on Windows) in Firefox, Chrome, and Edge; and (if the 
>window wasn't wide enough) all browsers just created a horizontal slide
>
>bar and kept the original (non-minuscule) text size.
>
>What browser and operating system are you using?
>
>I did look at the Help, however the requirements to edit it are rather 
>daunting, so I am starting my very modest contributions in the Wiki.
>
>Regards
>
>Geoff
>=
>
>On 11/10/2022 6:33 pm, David T. wrote:
>> Geoff,
>> 
>> As it's a wiki, you just go for it.
>> 
>> I was going to do just that, because your image width causes the
>browser 
>> page to shrink everything else on screen, making it incredibly hard
>for 
>> old eyes to read the (now miniscule) text.
>> 
>> But, you've aggregated all the steps into one wide image. If I were 
>> going to enter this, I'd have separate screen shots of each dialog,
>and 
>> I'd put them next to the steps they illustrate. That way, there's
>less 
>> opportunity for confusion, and the page will display better.
>> 
>> I'm also wondering why this clear information isn't in the Help (or
>if 
>> it is, where it is)...
>> 
>> David T.
>> On Oct 11, 2022, at 8:07 AM, Geoff > > wrote:
>> 
>> Folks
>> 
>> Thanks to assistance from John & David C, and inspiration from
>James
>> Baxter, I have revised and updated the "Add Stock" page on the
>"Using
>> GnuCash" Wiki to include some screenshots to make the process
>clearer
>> for new and unfamiliar users.
>> 
>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Stocks/add_stock 
>
>> 
>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Using_GnuCash 
>
>> 
>> This is my first Wiki update - is there a peer review process, or
>do we
>> just go for it?
>> 
>> :--))
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Geoff
>> =
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Re: [GNC] Using GnuCash Wiki: Add Stock Page: Screenshots Added

[Geoff]

Hi David

Thanks for the review.

I tested this (on Windows) in Firefox, Chrome, and Edge; and (if the 
window wasn't wide enough) all browsers just created a horizontal slide 
bar and kept the original (non-minuscule) text size.


What browser and operating system are you using?

I did look at the Help, however the requirements to edit it are rather 
daunting, so I am starting my very modest contributions in the Wiki.


Regards

Geoff
=

On 11/10/2022 6:33 pm, David T. wrote:

Geoff,

As it's a wiki, you just go for it.

I was going to do just that, because your image width causes the browser 
page to shrink everything else on screen, making it incredibly hard for 
old eyes to read the (now miniscule) text.


But, you've aggregated all the steps into one wide image. If I were 
going to enter this, I'd have separate screen shots of each dialog, and 
I'd put them next to the steps they illustrate. That way, there's less 
opportunity for confusion, and the page will display better.


I'm also wondering why this clear information isn't in the Help (or if 
it is, where it is)...


David T.
On Oct 11, 2022, at 8:07 AM, Geoff > wrote:


Folks

Thanks to assistance from John & David C, and inspiration from James
Baxter, I have revised and updated the "Add Stock" page on the "Using
GnuCash" Wiki to include some screenshots to make the process clearer
for new and unfamiliar users.

https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Stocks/add_stock  


https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Using_GnuCash  


This is my first Wiki update - is there a peer review process, or do we
just go for it?

:--))

Thanks

Geoff
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Re: [GNC] Using GnuCash Wiki: Add Stock Page: Screenshots Added

[David T. via gnucash-user]

Further comment on your screenshots: it is infinitely better to put 
instructional text as actual text in the wiki page, rather than embedding in 
the screenshot itself. I'd ask you to edit those screenshots to remove the 
text. The circling is IMHO okay; the text, not. 

So, 

Click New Account

[Image of main window with New button circled)]


Put "Amazon.com, Inc." (or whatever description you wish) into the "Account 
name" field

Choose "Stock" as Account type

[Image of New account window with circles)]


Click on the "Select" button for the "Security/Currency" field

Choose "NASDAQ" as type and "(AMZN) Amazon" as security

Set Parent Account to an account in the Assets branch of your chart

Click "Ok"



⁣David T. ​

On Oct 11, 2022, 10:37 AM, at 10:37 AM, "David T. via gnucash-user" 
 wrote:
>Geoff,
>
>As it's a wiki, you just go for it. 
>
>I was going to do just that, because your image width causes the
>browser page to shrink everything else on screen, making it incredibly
>hard for old eyes to read the (now miniscule) text. 
>
>But, you've aggregated all the steps into one wide image. If I were
>going to enter this, I'd have separate screen shots of each dialog, and
>I'd put them next to the steps they illustrate. That way, there's less
>opportunity for confusion, and the page will display better. 
>
>I'm also wondering why this clear information isn't in the Help (or if
>it is, where it is)...
>
>⁣David T. ​
>
>On Oct 11, 2022, 8:07 AM, at 8:07 AM, Geoff 
>wrote:
>>Folks
>>
>>Thanks to assistance from John & David C, and inspiration from James 
>>Baxter, I have revised and updated the "Add Stock" page on the "Using 
>>GnuCash" Wiki to include some screenshots to make the process clearer 
>>for new and unfamiliar users.
>>
>>https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Stocks/add_stock
>>
>>https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Using_GnuCash
>>
>>This is my first Wiki update - is there a peer review process, or do
>we
>>
>>just go for it?
>>
>>:--))
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>Geoff
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Re: [GNC] Using GnuCash Wiki: Add Stock Page: Screenshots Added

[David T. via gnucash-user]

Geoff,

As it's a wiki, you just go for it. 

I was going to do just that, because your image width causes the browser page 
to shrink everything else on screen, making it incredibly hard for old eyes to 
read the (now miniscule) text. 

But, you've aggregated all the steps into one wide image. If I were going to 
enter this, I'd have separate screen shots of each dialog, and I'd put them 
next to the steps they illustrate. That way, there's less opportunity for 
confusion, and the page will display better. 

I'm also wondering why this clear information isn't in the Help (or if it is, 
where it is)...

⁣David T. ​

On Oct 11, 2022, 8:07 AM, at 8:07 AM, Geoff  wrote:
>Folks
>
>Thanks to assistance from John & David C, and inspiration from James 
>Baxter, I have revised and updated the "Add Stock" page on the "Using 
>GnuCash" Wiki to include some screenshots to make the process clearer 
>for new and unfamiliar users.
>
>https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Stocks/add_stock
>
>https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Using_GnuCash
>
>This is my first Wiki update - is there a peer review process, or do we
>
>just go for it?
>
>:--))
>
>Thanks
>
>Geoff
>=
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Re: [GNC] Problem with missing balance in a parent account

[John Layman]

I have been using GnuCash for only the half the time you have, but in no
Windows version of the software has it ever been possible to right-click a
placeholder account and get a roll-up of the subordinates by selecting
reconcile from the menu.

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From: gnucash-user 
On Behalf Of Jay Ridgley
Sent: Sunday, October 9, 2022 4:49 PM
To: David T. ; John Ralls 
Cc: gnucash-user 
Subject: Re: [GNC] Problem with missing balance in a parent account

Good afternoon,

Up until Ubuntu 22.04 The reconcile button was NOT grayed out for the type
of account I am using (Parent account  and Placeholder). I am including an
example of my account structure here:

Banking Account (Parent Account, Placeholder)
Checkbook  (sub-account)(contains all checkbook transactions)
Reserve (sub-account) (contains minimum account balance)
Separate Purpose (sub account) (rental income & expenses)
Checkbook Blind (sub-account) (amount held as a pad)

All transactions take place in the sub-accounts. For me it has worked
successfully since I began using GnuCash (over 25 years ago).

I was advised of a workaround that allows me to continue using this
arrangement until it can be fixed/changed to act as it did previously.

It is as follows:
Open Parent account
right click and choose reconcile from the drop down

Works just fine.

Would not be necessary if the Reconcile button was not grayed out.

My question boils down too: Is this change a bug or a "feature" and can it
be put back the way it was?


Please advise how I should proceed.

Thanks,
Jay

On 10/8/22 07:50, David T. wrote:
> That account register doesn't have any transactions in it, so it won't 
> have any value either. Is it possible that in the past, you used a 
> report to see the parent account balances, or even the Chart of Accounts?
> 
> And if the account in the screen shot is a placeholder account, then you 
> a) wouldn't be able to open the account by double clicking, b) be told 
> on selecting Open that it was read only, and c) once opened, the entire 
> register would be greyed out. The screen shot seems to show a normal 
> account. It also shows a similarly-named tab next to the active tab.
> 
> David T.
> On Oct 8, 2022, at 1:51 PM, Jay Ridgley  > wrote:
> 
> On 10/7/22 16:38, john wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On Oct 7, 2022, at 12:43 PM, Jay Ridgley
>  wrote:
> 
> Good Morning,
> 
> BRAND NEW to the list, have been using GnuCash on my Ubuntu
> system for over 20 years, this is the first problem I have
> encountered that I have not been able to resolve.
> 
> I discovered that the balance amount that should appear in a
> the parent account for my bank is missing. Therefore I am
> unable to do this month's reconcile.
> 
> The account was proper last month, and I was able to balance
> my checkbook successfully. In the meantime I upgraded to
> Ubuntu 22.04 LTS from 20.04 LTS every thing seems to running
> properly, otherwise, including GnuCash.
> 
> Today when I tried to reconcile my bank account I discovered
> the amount of the balance is missing and the reconcile
> button is grayed out(naturally since nothing shows).
> 
> All the sub accounts point to the parent account and when I
> list my accounts the balance appears there and is correct.
> 
> What happened and how can I get it back?
> 
> 
> 
> Can you attach (don't inline!) a screenshot of the problem? It's
> not clear from your description what balance is missing and what
> button is disabled.
> 
> Regards,
> John Ralls
> 
> John,
> 
>Sorry it took so long...
> The account shown is the parent and the Balance should NOT be blank,
but
> the sum of 4  account balances.
> 
> Thanks,
> Jay
> 

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Re: [GNC] Reconciling subaccounts

[John Layman]

Yes, so do I.  But, the essence of reconciling with financial institutions is 
to use an account structure that can be aligned with the statements the 
institution provides.  And reconciliation is a top consideration since your 
financial books are not the actual thing.

 

As for roll-up:  You simply cannot reconcile a brokerage account (for example) 
except by reconciling each individual holding and core account.  It’s 
inherently a bottom-up process.  And the same is true of bank books.  Given 
multiple checking accounts at a particular bank, they must be individually 
reconciled.  There is no rolling them up for purposes of reconciliation.  And 
superimposing an envelope budgeting scheme on multiple institutions with 
multiple accounts would require, not just flattening, but an alternate 
structure.

 

The GnuCash documentation on budgeting is pretty clear on what the software 
provides in that regard.  Whether or not a feature that allows flattening a 
hierarchy of accounts for reconciliation purposes would be useful, it doesn’t 
currently exist.  And it’s not particularly difficult to establish that fact.  
RTFM.  You can try using a paint scraper as a chisel, but don’t expect a 
sympathetic ear at the hardware store.

 

From: R Losey  
Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2022 2:56 PM
To: David T. 
Cc: John Layman ; David T. via gnucash-user 

Subject: Re: [GNC] Reconciling subaccounts

 

Well said!

 

I actually have both kinds of parent accounts, as you described.

 

On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 7:39 AM David T. via gnucash-user 
mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org> > wrote:

John, 

I don't know about "typically." There are any of a number of ways that someone 
might use placeholder accounts. In my own books, I have placeholder accounts 
for brokerage holdings, where the placeholder represents an institution's 
account and the leaf accounts represent individual securities. I also have 
placeholder accounts that represent a class of account types-- for example, a 
placeholder for savings accounts at different institutions. 

The OP appears to be using the structure to implement an envelope allocation 
system, in which case the subaccounts are virtual. They want both the real and 
the virtual accounts to show that reconciliation. GnuCash doesn't currently do 
that. 

Whether that's a bug or a feature (and whether a sensible implementation can be 
devised to address it) is perhaps a different matter. 

⁣David T. 

On Oct 8, 2022, 9:17 AM, at 9:17 AM, John Layman 
mailto:john.lay...@laymanandlayman.com> > 
wrote:
>Typically, the place holder account represents an institution, not an
>account.  I have never seen a bank statement that presents rolled up
>account totals at the institution level.  Each checking account,
>savings account, money market account, CD holdings, installment loan
>accounts, etc. are presented separately (even if within the same
>document) with beginning and ending balances shown separately for each
>such account.  Balancing could be an absolute nightmare if you had to
>track down a discrepancy in conglomerated the numbers.

-- 

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[GNC] A note to Geoff

[James Baxter via gnucash-user]

This Is James Baxter,  In my last email. I should have told you I am useing 
Linux Mint
ThanksJames baxterkangaro...@yahoo.com
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