Re: [GNC] journal entries
Thanks Liz. As I said in an earlier post I have no experience with Quicken. Some searching produced that some users are using capabilities of Quicken to make it act like a double entry system, but Quicken does not enforce this. Second, Intuit has apparently sold Quicken. Dale On 8/15/19 5:09 AM, Liz wrote: > On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 08:56:49 -0500 > Dale Alspach wrote: > >> The start of this thread was a question from a new user about journal >> entries as he understood them from being a Quicken user. (I believe >> Quicken is a personal accounting version of Quickbooks. Quickbooks is >> targeted at small to medium size businesses.) My post was an attempt >> to explain why a new user coming from Quicken might have a different >> notion of journal entry and not understand the responses he was >> getting from this list. > > > Quicken and Quickbooks are completely different. I have owned both > (which may have been last century). > > Quickbooks is double entry accounting with fancy forms which hide the > works. > > Quicken does not do double entry accounting. Hence my suggestion that > those who come from Quicken are advised to learn about double entry > accounting from some suitable sources. > > Liz > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] journal entries
On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 08:56:49 -0500 Dale Alspach wrote: > The start of this thread was a question from a new user about journal > entries as he understood them from being a Quicken user. (I believe > Quicken is a personal accounting version of Quickbooks. Quickbooks is > targeted at small to medium size businesses.) My post was an attempt > to explain why a new user coming from Quicken might have a different > notion of journal entry and not understand the responses he was > getting from this list. Quicken and Quickbooks are completely different. I have owned both (which may have been last century). Quickbooks is double entry accounting with fancy forms which hide the works. Quicken does not do double entry accounting. Hence my suggestion that those who come from Quicken are advised to learn about double entry accounting from some suitable sources. Liz ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] journal entries
Dale, There is a wiki page on the migration from Quicken (https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Quicken_Migration) and perhaps this is a more appropriate place to document differences for new users coming from other packages as hopefully this is where they will end up. Perhaps a note referring to the wiki for those migrating from Quicken in the introductory sections of the docs. Being a wiki this can be expanded by users themselves. I think I remember seeing a paragraph somewhere in the docs which points out that unlike many other accounting packages, GnuCash is register oriented rather than journal or task oriented as the primary entry method. I found that aspect particularly useful as an accounting student 10 or more years ago as GnuCash more closely matched what appeared in T accounts in my text books. David Cousens - David Cousens -- Sent from: http://gnucash.1415818.n4.nabble.com/GnuCash-User-f1415819.html ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] journal entries
The OP was fairly light on details. (and gave a general “I don’t understand” but never said specifically ‘what’ they didn’t understand) It seems a few people hazarded a guess and might have gotten it right. (we haven’t heard back from the OP yet since) Another approach would be to tell someone, “Forget about any advice from elsewhere concerning ‘journal entries’ and just follow the Help & Guide with respect to entering your expenses. If you have specific questions trying to do that, let us know.” If the OP started with the Help Manual (or only read that one) I can understand their frustration. It isn’t a “How do I do this” it is a “How does the program work from a technical perspective once I’ve already figured out what I need to do”. I’ve always thought of the Help Manual as more of an Appendix sort of reference in many respects and not an actual Help that most other apps include and that I’m certainly used to referencing. The Help manual doesn’t tell you how to keep track of your expenses. That is covered in the Guide. But the necessary Setup work and the technical step by step of entering transactions generically is covered in Help. I personally think this is a mess and I know there are strong opinions in favor of the present situation, but this list seems to bare out that it needs serious rethinking and re-ordering. Now that I’m off that soap box, perhaps an approach to this type of question should more specifically be, “Read Chapter 2 ’The Basics’ of the Tutorial & Concepts Guide first to get a grasp on what needs to be done, then follow the ‘Setting Up' from Chapter 5 and 'Entering Transactions' from Chapter 6 of the Help Manual. Let us know if you have any questions.” The fact that someone needs to be directed *to get started* to Chapter 2 of one manual and Chapter 5 & 6 of another should illustrate the confusing nature of the current documentation organization. Regards, Adrien > On Aug 14, 2019, at 8:56 AM, Dale Alspach wrote: > > This does not really address the issue. Quickbooks, for example, is a > double-entry accounting system. What is being provided by the user > interface is an alternate method for entering transactions. (A perverse > user could enter every transaction from the general journal screen in > Quickbooks. ) > > The start of this thread was a question from a new user about journal > entries as he understood them from being a Quicken user. (I believe Quicken > is a personal accounting version of Quickbooks. Quickbooks is targeted at > small to medium size businesses.) My post was an attempt to explain why a > new user coming from Quicken might have a different notion of journal entry > and not understand the responses he was getting from this list. > > The question that remains is what should/could be provided in the > documentation to help users transitioning from these double-entry > accounting programs with a sophisticated user interface and a different > approach to entering transactions to Gnucash. > > Dale > > On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 5:15 AM Liz wrote: > >> On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 17:04:55 -0400 >> Mike or Penny Novack wrote: >> >>> If you mean "differences from other applications that are NOT >>> standard accounting" why should that be necessary. Shouldn't simply >>> saying that gnucash is "double entry bookkeeping" enough? The >>> documentation DOES make that clear. Not up to gnucash to point out >>> that non-double entry isn't standard accounting. >> >> Some type of writing that says >>"Gnucash enforces the industry standard of double-entry >>accounting. You may have been using a package which works >>differently, and if you have been using X Y or Z we recommend >>that you read about double-entry accounting before you >>start." (Links to suitable sites) >> This would be preferable to no information - and perhaps drop by one >> third the number of queries here which have started with a >> misunderstanding about accounting and blame the program. >> >> Liz ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] journal entries
This does not really address the issue. Quickbooks, for example, is a double-entry accounting system. What is being provided by the user interface is an alternate method for entering transactions. (A perverse user could enter every transaction from the general journal screen in Quickbooks. ) The start of this thread was a question from a new user about journal entries as he understood them from being a Quicken user. (I believe Quicken is a personal accounting version of Quickbooks. Quickbooks is targeted at small to medium size businesses.) My post was an attempt to explain why a new user coming from Quicken might have a different notion of journal entry and not understand the responses he was getting from this list. The question that remains is what should/could be provided in the documentation to help users transitioning from these double-entry accounting programs with a sophisticated user interface and a different approach to entering transactions to Gnucash. Dale On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 5:15 AM Liz wrote: > On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 17:04:55 -0400 > Mike or Penny Novack wrote: > > > If you mean "differences from other applications that are NOT > > standard accounting" why should that be necessary. Shouldn't simply > > saying that gnucash is "double entry bookkeeping" enough? The > > documentation DOES make that clear. Not up to gnucash to point out > > that non-double entry isn't standard accounting. > > Some type of writing that says > "Gnucash enforces the industry standard of double-entry > accounting. You may have been using a package which works > differently, and if you have been using X Y or Z we recommend > that you read about double-entry accounting before you > start." (Links to suitable sites) > This would be preferable to no information - and perhaps drop by one > third the number of queries here which have started with a > misunderstanding about accounting and blame the program. > > Liz > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] journal entries
On Tue, 13 Aug 2019 17:04:55 -0400 Mike or Penny Novack wrote: > If you mean "differences from other applications that are NOT > standard accounting" why should that be necessary. Shouldn't simply > saying that gnucash is "double entry bookkeeping" enough? The > documentation DOES make that clear. Not up to gnucash to point out > that non-double entry isn't standard accounting. Some type of writing that says "Gnucash enforces the industry standard of double-entry accounting. You may have been using a package which works differently, and if you have been using X Y or Z we recommend that you read about double-entry accounting before you start." (Links to suitable sites) This would be preferable to no information - and perhaps drop by one third the number of queries here which have started with a misunderstanding about accounting and blame the program. Liz ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] journal entries
On 8/13/2019 10:57 AM, Dale Alspach wrote: The Gnucash documentation could make some general statements about differences between Gnucash and other accounting software, but it would be too much to expect specifics about the other software. Dale Gnucash IS ordinary, run of the mill, double entry accounting software << all the double entry apps I have used are also "virtual journal" >> There is little to learn for anybody familiar with double entry bookkeeping (and that IS standard for accounting, has been for a VERY long time) If you mean "differences from other applications that are NOT standard accounting" why should that be necessary. Shouldn't simply saying that gnucash is "double entry bookkeeping" enough? The documentation DOES make that clear. Not up to gnucash to point out that non-double entry isn't standard accounting. Michael D Novack ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] journal entries
The problem is actually that in these consumer oriented packages the paradigm is different. In Gnucash the chart of accounts is fundamental. In Quickbooks the initial screen shows a set of tasks: add a customer, pay bills, enter charges, etc. Clicking on these brings up a set of account names, customers, vendors, etc. Underneath the user is creating a transaction but parts of it are hidden. (This happens to a limited extent in the Basic Ledger view in Gnucash.) Let me describe writing a check in Quickbooks, I either click on Write Checks on the Quickbooks desktop or go to the Bank menu and click on it there. I choose the correct checking account and am presented with an image of a blank check. I fill in the Pay To and the bottom part of the screen will show a split and will suggest an account. After filling in the remaining parts of the check and scanning in and attaching any related documents, I go to the split, select the appropriate account, enter a memo, customer, job, or item. Additional splits can be added and the check can be printed. The point is that the user is not seeing the transaction as a whole, is not seeing credit/debit or even more friendly versions of labels, and that the interface is task oriented. With a task oriented system situations arise which are not covered by the tasks in the user interface; those situations can be handled by a journal entry. Making a journal entry in Quickbooks is like Gnucash, i.e., double entry accounting. Here is an example list of journal transactions from Intuit's site: - Opening balances in a new file - Adjusting entries - Asset purchases - Depreciation - Interest on loan accounts - End of financial year adjustments - Sales amount from a different industry software that is required in the accounting software - Company transfers, different entities in two different files - Stock adjustments - Capital contributions - Owner drawings The Gnucash documentation could make some general statements about differences between Gnucash and other accounting software, but it would be too much to expect specifics about the other software. Dale On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 4:44 AM Fred Bone wrote: > On 12 August 2019 at 12:57, Mike or Penny Novack said: > > > On 8/12/2019 12:45 PM, Clint Chaplin wrote: > > > This is also similar to NetSuite, which is an on-line double entry > > > bookkeeping service, and where "journal entries" are a special case > > > transaction, even though by definition everything is really a journal > > > entry. > > > > > It is definitely a terminology confusion. > > > > In the old days, especially with "cash book" accounting*, a "journal > > entry" referred to a transaction that was not affecting any of the cash > > accounts. So mainly corrections and adjustments (example: recording > > depreciation). > > > > It has no real meaning in a "virtual journal" system like gnucash. > > Indeed. But what is the meaning in the systems being referred to in this > thread? The matter will undoubtedly arise again. > > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] journal entries
On 12 August 2019 at 12:57, Mike or Penny Novack said: > On 8/12/2019 12:45 PM, Clint Chaplin wrote: > > This is also similar to NetSuite, which is an on-line double entry > > bookkeeping service, and where "journal entries" are a special case > > transaction, even though by definition everything is really a journal > > entry. > > > It is definitely a terminology confusion. > > In the old days, especially with "cash book" accounting*, a "journal > entry" referred to a transaction that was not affecting any of the cash > accounts. So mainly corrections and adjustments (example: recording > depreciation). > > It has no real meaning in a "virtual journal" system like gnucash. Indeed. But what is the meaning in the systems being referred to in this thread? The matter will undoubtedly arise again. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] journal entries
On 8/12/2019 12:45 PM, Clint Chaplin wrote: This is also similar to NetSuite, which is an on-line double entry bookkeeping service, and where "journal entries" are a special case transaction, even though by definition everything is really a journal entry. It is definitely a terminology confusion. In the old days, especially with "cash book" accounting*, a "journal entry" referred to a transaction that was not affecting any of the cash accounts. So mainly corrections and adjustments (example: recording depreciation). It has no real meaning in a "virtual journal" system like gnucash. Michael D Novack * A shortcut where there was a special part of the ledger called the "cash book" which had the account for cash and a half dozen or so of the most affected other accounts. Any transactions that could skipped the "enter into the journal first" step and were entered directly in the cash book << usually 90+% of transactions could be >> Any transactions that affected OTHER accounts were entered the usual way, in the journal and then posted to the ledger. When I did this, I usually reserved a pair of columns in the cash book for the journal. For example, using 12 column paper, I could have the journal, cash, and the four "most popular" other ledger accounts. Or possibly more if only keeping one side here << the "real" ledger had all the accounts, even those in the cashbook. At the bottom of each cashbook page the totals were posted to the "real account" >> The reason for using a cashbook was to reduce posting. Transcription errors during posting were by far the majority of all errors. Michael D Novack ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] journal entries
This is also similar to NetSuite, which is an on-line double entry bookkeeping service, and where "journal entries" are a special case transaction, even though by definition everything is really a journal entry. On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 9:02 AM Dale Alspach wrote: > I think Frank is on the right track. The original poster is coming from > Quicken which I have never used. I think it is similar to Quickbooks > which I have used a little. Journal entries are used for corrections, > some transfers between accounts, etc., in Quickbooks. > > Gnucash does not have a special notion of journal entry. The General > Journal is just a view of all transactions from all accounts. This may > be what is confusing the original poster. > > Dale > > On 8/12/19 10:38 AM, Frank H. Ellenberger wrote: > > Am Mo., 12. Aug. 2019 um 17:21 Uhr schrieb David T. via gnucash-user > > : > >> > >> I'm not sure how this is a challenge, especially since both John and > >> David C. pointed you in the right direction in the docs. Perhaps you are > >> associating the term "Journal entry" with something special? > > : > > In the times of ink and paper, you had to enter (parts of) a > > transaction 3 times: > > Journal, Account A, Account B. > > > > On computers it is different, e.g. > > you enter all details in account A and the relevant parts appear also > > in account B and Tools->General Journal. > > > > HTH > > Frank > > > >> On 8/12/2019 8:20 PM, Harold via gnucash-user wrote: > >> > >>> I have searched, looked, and read what I could find about journal > entries in GC but I am no closer to understanding what I need to do to > enter a journal entry. I am not an accountant and am using GC for my > personal bookkeeping. I have entered journal entries in Quickbooks in the > past but don't understand how to do it in GC. Can anyone nudge me in the > right direction?Thanks,Harold > > : > > ___ > > gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > > - > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > -- Clint (JOATMON) Chaplin ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] journal entries
I think Frank is on the right track. The original poster is coming from Quicken which I have never used. I think it is similar to Quickbooks which I have used a little. Journal entries are used for corrections, some transfers between accounts, etc., in Quickbooks. Gnucash does not have a special notion of journal entry. The General Journal is just a view of all transactions from all accounts. This may be what is confusing the original poster. Dale On 8/12/19 10:38 AM, Frank H. Ellenberger wrote: > Am Mo., 12. Aug. 2019 um 17:21 Uhr schrieb David T. via gnucash-user > : >> >> I'm not sure how this is a challenge, especially since both John and >> David C. pointed you in the right direction in the docs. Perhaps you are >> associating the term "Journal entry" with something special? > : > In the times of ink and paper, you had to enter (parts of) a > transaction 3 times: > Journal, Account A, Account B. > > On computers it is different, e.g. > you enter all details in account A and the relevant parts appear also > in account B and Tools->General Journal. > > HTH > Frank > >> On 8/12/2019 8:20 PM, Harold via gnucash-user wrote: >> >>> I have searched, looked, and read what I could find about journal entries >>> in GC but I am no closer to understanding what I need to do to enter a >>> journal entry. I am not an accountant and am using GC for my personal >>> bookkeeping. I have entered journal entries in Quickbooks in the past but >>> don't understand how to do it in GC. Can anyone nudge me in the right >>> direction?Thanks,Harold > : > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] journal entries
Am Mo., 12. Aug. 2019 um 17:21 Uhr schrieb David T. via gnucash-user : > > I'm not sure how this is a challenge, especially since both John and > David C. pointed you in the right direction in the docs. Perhaps you are > associating the term "Journal entry" with something special? : In the times of ink and paper, you had to enter (parts of) a transaction 3 times: Journal, Account A, Account B. On computers it is different, e.g. you enter all details in account A and the relevant parts appear also in account B and Tools->General Journal. HTH Frank > On 8/12/2019 8:20 PM, Harold via gnucash-user wrote: > > > I have searched, looked, and read what I could find about journal entries > > in GC but I am no closer to understanding what I need to do to enter a > > journal entry. I am not an accountant and am using GC for my personal > > bookkeeping. I have entered journal entries in Quickbooks in the past but > > don't understand how to do it in GC. Can anyone nudge me in the right > > direction?Thanks,Harold : ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] journal entries
I'm not sure how this is a challenge, especially since both John and David C. pointed you in the right direction in the docs. Perhaps you are associating the term "Journal entry" with something special? To begin, set your View preference to "Basic" and on the Preferences:Accounts tab, uncheck "Use formal accounting labels." In the Chart of Accounts, double-click Assets:Cash In the Cash account register: * Type the date of the transaction, for example, today is August 12, 2019, so I would enter 8/12/19 because I use US style dates. Your date preferences might have this as 12-08-2019, or even 2019-08-12! * After entering the date, press the Tab key twice, which will move the cursor two columns to the right, to the Description field * Type a Description. For example, if you purchased Ibuprofen(r) from CVS, you might enter a description like "CVS" * Press the Tab key one time, and move the cursor to the Transfer column * In the Transfer column, select Expenses:Drugs * Press Tab *two more times* to the Decrease column * Enter the amount for the drugs. * Press the Enter Key What part of this wasn't clear in the documentation? David On 8/12/2019 8:20 PM, Harold via gnucash-user wrote: I have searched, looked, and read what I could find about journal entries in GC but I am no closer to understanding what I need to do to enter a journal entry. I am not an accountant and am using GC for my personal bookkeeping. I have entered journal entries in Quickbooks in the past but don't understand how to do it in GC. Can anyone nudge me in the right direction?Thanks,Harold On Sunday, August 11, 2019, 5:15:41 PM CDT, John Ralls wrote: On Aug 11, 2019, at 11:56 AM, Harold via gnucash-user wrote: I want to start tracking the cash payments that I make for drugs. I have been searching about making a journal entry in Gnucash but haven't found anything yet. Where do I find how to enter a journal entry in Gnucash using Linux? ___ Have you studied the Tutorial and Concepts Guide [1]? Regards, John Ralls [1] http://www.gnucash.org/viewdoc.phtml?rev=3???=C&doc=guide or Help>Tutorial and Concepts Guide from inside the program. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] journal entries
Enter the date and description. On the first time Credit Cash for the amount. On the second line, Debit Drugs for the amount. That should do it. On Mon, Aug 12, 2019, at 10:50 AM, Harold via gnucash-user wrote: > I have searched, looked, and read what I could find about journal entries in > GC but I am no closer to understanding what I need to do to enter a journal > entry. I am not an accountant and am using GC for my personal bookkeeping. I > have entered journal entries in Quickbooks in the past but don't understand > how to do it in GC. Can anyone nudge me in the right direction?Thanks,Harold > > On Sunday, August 11, 2019, 5:15:41 PM CDT, John Ralls > wrote: > > > > > On Aug 11, 2019, at 11:56 AM, Harold via gnucash-user > > wrote: > > > > I want to start tracking the cash payments that I make for drugs. I have > > been searching about making a journal entry in Gnucash but haven't found > > anything yet. Where do I find how to enter a journal entry in Gnucash using > > Linux? > > ___ > > Have you studied the Tutorial and Concepts Guide [1]? > > Regards, > John Ralls > > [1] http://www.gnucash.org/viewdoc.phtml?rev=3⟨=C&doc=guide or Help>Tutorial > and Concepts Guide from inside the program. > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] journal entries
I have searched, looked, and read what I could find about journal entries in GC but I am no closer to understanding what I need to do to enter a journal entry. I am not an accountant and am using GC for my personal bookkeeping. I have entered journal entries in Quickbooks in the past but don't understand how to do it in GC. Can anyone nudge me in the right direction?Thanks,Harold On Sunday, August 11, 2019, 5:15:41 PM CDT, John Ralls wrote: > On Aug 11, 2019, at 11:56 AM, Harold via gnucash-user > wrote: > > I want to start tracking the cash payments that I make for drugs. I have been > searching about making a journal entry in Gnucash but haven't found anything > yet. Where do I find how to enter a journal entry in Gnucash using Linux? > ___ Have you studied the Tutorial and Concepts Guide [1]? Regards, John Ralls [1] http://www.gnucash.org/viewdoc.phtml?rev=3⟨=C&doc=guide or Help>Tutorial and Concepts Guide from inside the program. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] journal entries
Harald, The following section in the GnuCash help manual gives the details of creating a transaction entry in GnuCash (https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v3/C/gnucash-help/trans-enter.html). It assumes that you have the register (table of transactions for a specific account) open. You can do this in the Accounts tab which is the first window GnuCash opens at by double clicking on a specific account, e.g. an Asset:Current Assets: Checking Account if you have initially created a default Common Account heirarchy when you first opened GnuCash. Gnucash is a formal double entry accounting package. To use it effectively you will need at least some basic information on double entry accounting which is presented in the section headed The Basics in the Getting Started section of the guide (https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v3/C/gnucash-guide/chapter_basics.html) that John referred you to earlier. The help manual referenced above is a description of the GnuCash interfaces and how to use them while the Tutorial and Concepts guide is more oriented at how to perform common accounting functions using GnuCash. To track a single expense you will require a minimum of two accounts, one Asset account to record where the cash (e.g. Asset:CurrentAssets:Cash in Wallet) you are paying for drugs is coming from and an Expense account to record your purchases of drugs from the pharmacy (e.g. Expense:Pharmacy:Drugs) and each purchase is recorded as taking money from your cash account ( a credit to it) and a corresponding debit entry to the Expense:Pharmacy:Drugs accountto record receiving the drugs in return for the money. If this is the only expenditure you really want to track GnuCash will possibly be overkill for you and a simple spreadsheet may better meet your needs. David Cousens - David Cousens -- Sent from: http://gnucash.1415818.n4.nabble.com/GnuCash-User-f1415819.html ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] journal entries
I have looked but didn't see an explanation that I could understand. On Aug 11, 2019, 5:15 PM, at 5:15 PM, John Ralls wrote: > > >> On Aug 11, 2019, at 11:56 AM, Harold via gnucash-user > wrote: >> >> I want to start tracking the cash payments that I make for drugs. I >have been searching about making a journal entry in Gnucash but haven't >found anything yet. Where do I find how to enter a journal entry in >Gnucash using Linux? >> ___ > >Have you studied the Tutorial and Concepts Guide [1]? > >Regards, >John Ralls > >[1] http://www.gnucash.org/viewdoc.phtml?rev=3&lang=C&doc=guide or >Help>Tutorial and Concepts Guide from inside the program. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] journal entries
> On Aug 11, 2019, at 11:56 AM, Harold via gnucash-user > wrote: > > I want to start tracking the cash payments that I make for drugs. I have been > searching about making a journal entry in Gnucash but haven't found anything > yet. Where do I find how to enter a journal entry in Gnucash using Linux? > ___ Have you studied the Tutorial and Concepts Guide [1]? Regards, John Ralls [1] http://www.gnucash.org/viewdoc.phtml?rev=3&lang=C&doc=guide or Help>Tutorial and Concepts Guide from inside the program. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
[GNC] journal entries
I want to start tracking the cash payments that I make for drugs. I have been searching about making a journal entry in Gnucash but haven't found anything yet. Where do I find how to enter a journal entry in Gnucash using Linux? ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.