[GOAL] Re: Hat Tip: Let's not leave Humanities behind in the dash for open access
Not like that, but there is the interesting story by Stuart Shieber on the Journal of Machine Learning: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/pamphlet/2012/03/06/an-efficient-journal/ __ Falk Reckling, PhD Social Science and Humanities / Strategic Analysis / Open Access Head of Units Austrian Science Fund (FWF) Sensengasse 1 A-1090 Vienna email: falk.reckl...@fwf.ac.atmailto:falk.reckl...@fwf.ac.at Tel.: +43-1-5056740-8301 Mobil: + 43-699-19010147 Web: http://www.fwf.ac.at/de/contact/personen/reckling_falk.html Von: goal-boun...@eprints.org [goal-boun...@eprints.org] im Auftrag von Eric F. Van de Velde [eric.f.vandeve...@gmail.com] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 26. Juli 2012 20:39 An: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci) Betreff: [GOAL] Re: Hat Tip: Let's not leave Humanities behind in the dash for open access For funders that already have set up a Green OA mandate with an funder-sponsored repository, it would be a relatively small additional investment to sponsor journals. They would not have to manage it themselves. They could put out a periodic Request for Proposals to manage journals on their behalf. Any scholarly publisher or start-up could compete for that business, thereby ensuring the management is done at minimal cost. The only thing the funder would have to do is put together editorial boards. This is something they already do when they put together proposal-review panels. The result would be Gold Libre OA without author-paid fees. The cost to research funders is likely minimal, and they would gain a significant quality-assessment tool. In fact, these are Gold OA journals that would not have the vanity-press incentive built-in when Gold OA is paid for by authors (the so-called predatory Gold OA journals). Would such a model be workable? Any unintended consequences? Has it been tried anywhere? --Eric. http://scitechsociety.blogspot.com Google Voice: (626) 898-5415 Telephone: (626) 376-5415 Skype: efvandevelde -- Twitter: @evdvelde E-mail: eric.f.vandeve...@gmail.commailto:eric.f.vandeve...@gmail.com On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Jean-Claude Guédon jean.claude.gue...@umontreal.camailto:jean.claude.gue...@umontreal.ca wrote: Like Stevan Harnad, I say: enough with colours! The important thing to remember is that gold OA is not, repeat *NOT* limited to author-pay schemes. There are indeed many journals that are gratis to authors and libre to readers (e.g. SciELO and RedALyC journals in latin America and beyond). To my mind, this is the optimal version of Gold. Jean-Claude Guédon Le jeudi 26 juillet 2012 à 06:16 -0600, Beall, Jeffrey a écrit : I make the distinction between gold open-access and platinum open-access. Author fees + free to reader = gold open access No author fees + free to reader = platinum open access This discussion, I think, demonstrates that this distinction is significant and worthy of a separate appellation. Jeffrey Beall, Metadata Librarian / Associate Professor Auraria Library University of Colorado Denver 1100 Lawrence St. Denver, Colo. 80204 USA (303) 556-5936tel:%28303%29%20556-5936 jeffrey.be...@ucdenver.edumailto:jeffrey.be...@ucdenver.edu -Original Message- From: goal-boun...@eprints.orgmailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org [mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org] On Behalf Of Reckling, Falk, Dr. Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 4:53 AM To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci) Subject: [GOAL] Re: Hat Tip: Let's not leave Humanities behind in the dash for open access I think there is still a misunderstanding with Gold OA. Running a OA journal does not necesserily mean to charges article fees! Take Economics as an example: meanwhile there are some good OA journals, most of them are new but with very prominent advisory boards (which is a good predictor of being successful in the long run) a) E-conomics (institutional funding): http://www.economics-ejournal.org/ b) Theoretical Economics (society based funding): http://econtheory.org/ c) 5x IZA journals published with SpringerOpen (institutional funding): http://journals.iza.org/ d) Journal of Economic Perspective (a former subscription journal but now society based funding): http://www.aeaweb.org/jep/index.php All of them are without APCs, and that model also works in many other fields. What is needed is a very good editorial board and a basic funding by an institution/society, or by a consortium of institutions or by a charity or ... Or why not considering a megajournal in the Humanities and apply a clever business model as PEERJ tries it right now in the Life Science?: http://peerj.com/ In the end, it is up to the community to develop models which fit their needs ... Best Falk Am 26.07.2012 um 12:09 schrieb l.hurt...@ed.ac.ukmailto:l.hurt...@ed.ac.uk l.hurt...@ed.ac.ukmailto:l.hurt...@ed.ac.uk: The question isn't whether they're free or not, but whether they
[GOAL] Re: Hat Tip: Let's not leave Humanities behind in the dash for open access
I basically agree with Eric's outline. This would be the way to wrap up the cost of publishing within the cost of research. I have repeatedly stated that this should be the case. Publishing is an integral part of research, and its financing does not have to follow business plans largely dictated by print age constraints. There is nothing wrong with subsidizing publishing (it is already the case in many countries), especially if one considers that research would not be sustainable without huge subsidies from governments. Can anyone tell me how private interests would have tracked the Higgs Boson? The only issue to deal with is how to keep the funders at arm's length from the publications while retaining an interest in quality. However, this problem is far less troubling than the relationship of commercial publishers and editorial boards (including editors, especially when the latter are compensated in one fashion or another). Examples of good behaviour abound and should be followed. International setups or multi-institutional alliances between charities would largely alleviate this limited worry. So, basically, systematically creating funder-supported journals in all major disciplines, perhaps following the super-journal model of PLoS One, would be the optimal way to go on the gold side of things. If this solution were to be implemented, a degree of competition would nevertheless remain by virtue of regional or national ambitions: Europeans would want their journal, as would probably the Chinese, the Indians, Latin Americans, Africans, etc... This would ensure a continuous flow of innovations in the publishing processes and mechanisms. Large collections of journals such as SciELO and RedALyC in Latin America could explore how to mutate into a few super-journals. They might need transitional funds from some willing foundation to do so, but I believe it is feasible. There is a lot to think about here. Jean-Claude Guédon PS And, just for equilibrium's sake, this is only on the Gold side. Much work remains to be done on the Green side as well. Ultimately, we will have to work on their convergence. Le jeudi 26 juillet 2012 à 11:39 -0700, Eric F. Van de Velde a écrit : For funders that already have set up a Green OA mandate with an funder-sponsored repository, it would be a relatively small additional investment to sponsor journals. They would not have to manage it themselves. They could put out a periodic Request for Proposals to manage journals on their behalf. Any scholarly publisher or start-up could compete for that business, thereby ensuring the management is done at minimal cost. The only thing the funder would have to do is put together editorial boards. This is something they already do when they put together proposal-review panels. The result would be Gold Libre OA without author-paid fees. The cost to research funders is likely minimal, and they would gain a significant quality-assessment tool. In fact, these are Gold OA journals that would not have the vanity-press incentive built-in when Gold OA is paid for by authors (the so-called predatory Gold OA journals). Would such a model be workable? Any unintended consequences? Has it been tried anywhere? --Eric. http://scitechsociety.blogspot.com Google Voice: (626) 898-5415 Telephone: (626) 376-5415 Skype: efvandevelde -- Twitter: @evdvelde E-mail: eric.f.vandeve...@gmail.com On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Jean-Claude Guédon jean.claude.gue...@umontreal.ca wrote: Like Stevan Harnad, I say: enough with colours! The important thing to remember is that gold OA is not, repeat *NOT* limited to author-pay schemes. There are indeed many journals that are gratis to authors and libre to readers (e.g. SciELO and RedALyC journals in latin America and beyond). To my mind, this is the optimal version of Gold. Jean-Claude Guédon Le jeudi 26 juillet 2012 à 06:16 -0600, Beall, Jeffrey a écrit : I make the distinction between gold open-access and platinum open-access. Author fees + free to reader = gold open access No author fees + free to reader = platinum open access This discussion, I think, demonstrates that this distinction is significant and worthy of a separate appellation. Jeffrey Beall, Metadata Librarian / Associate Professor Auraria Library University of Colorado Denver 1100 Lawrence St. Denver, Colo. 80204 USA (303) 556-5936 jeffrey.be...@ucdenver.edu -Original Message- From: goal-boun...@eprints.org [mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org] On Behalf Of Reckling, Falk, Dr. Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 4:53 AM To: Global Open Access List
[GOAL] Re: Hat Tip: Let's not leave Humanities behind in the dash for open access
Is platinum effectively the same as green? Sent from my iPad On 26 Jul 2012, at 14:12, Beall, Jeffrey jeffrey.be...@ucdenver.edu wrote: I make the distinction between gold open-access and platinum open-access. Author fees + free to reader = gold open access No author fees + free to reader = platinum open access This discussion, I think, demonstrates that this distinction is significant and worthy of a separate appellation. Jeffrey Beall, Metadata Librarian / Associate Professor Auraria Library University of Colorado Denver 1100 Lawrence St. Denver, Colo. 80204 USA (303) 556-5936 jeffrey.be...@ucdenver.edu -Original Message- From: goal-boun...@eprints.org [mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org] On Behalf Of Reckling, Falk, Dr. Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 4:53 AM To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci) Subject: [GOAL] Re: Hat Tip: Let's not leave Humanities behind in the dash for open access I think there is still a misunderstanding with Gold OA. Running a OA journal does not necesserily mean to charges article fees! Take Economics as an example: meanwhile there are some good OA journals, most of them are new but with very prominent advisory boards (which is a good predictor of being successful in the long run) a) E-conomics (institutional funding): http://www.economics-ejournal.org/ b) Theoretical Economics (society based funding): http://econtheory.org/ c) 5x IZA journals published with SpringerOpen (institutional funding): http://journals.iza.org/ d) Journal of Economic Perspective (a former subscription journal but now society based funding): http://www.aeaweb.org/jep/index.php All of them are without APCs, and that model also works in many other fields. What is needed is a very good editorial board and a basic funding by an institution/society, or by a consortium of institutions or by a charity or ... Or why not considering a megajournal in the Humanities and apply a clever business model as PEERJ tries it right now in the Life Science?: http://peerj.com/ In the end, it is up to the community to develop models which fit their needs ... Best Falk Am 26.07.2012 um 12:09 schrieb l.hurt...@ed.ac.uk l.hurt...@ed.ac.uk: The question isn't whether they're free or not, but whether they play major roles as venues and outlets for important Humanities scholarship. And also it's still the case that traditional print journals involve long print cues and delays in publication. And also it's the case that university libraries paying ridiculous subscription charges for journals in the Sciences have less funding for monographs (still the gold standard in Humanities), and even put pressure on Humanities to cut their journals. Finally, there is the concern that the current move to gold OA with pages charges, etc., will adversely affect Humanities scholars. So, please, no snap and simple replies. Let's engage the problems. Larry Hurtado Quoting Jan Szczepanski jan.szczepansk...@gmail.com on Wed, 25 Jul 2012 22:53:06 +0200: Is more than sixteen thousand free e-journals in the humanities and social sciences of any importance in this discussion? http://www.scribd.com/Jan%20Szczepanski Jan 2012/7/25 l.hurt...@ed.ac.uk: Webster concisely articulates the concerns that I briefly mooted a few days ago. Larry Hurtado Quoting Omega Alpha Open Access oa.openacc...@gmail.com on Wed, 25 Jul 2012 11:03:30 -0400: Hat Tip: Let's not leave Humanities behind in the dash for open access http://wp.me/p20y83-no Nice article this morning by Peter Webster on the Research Fortnight website entitled Humanities left behind in the dash for open access. http://www.researchresearch.com/index.php?option=com_newstemplate =rr_2colview=articlearticleId=1214091 Check it out. Webster observes that much of the current conversation around the growth of open access focuses on the sciences and use of an author-pays business model. He feels inadequate attention in the conversation has been given to the unique needs of humanities scholarship, and why it may be harder for humanist scholars to embrace open access based on the author-pays model. There is no Public Library of History to match the phenomenally successful Public Library of Science. . Your comments are welcome. Gary F. Daught Omega Alpha | Open Access Advocate for open access academic publishing in religion and theology http://oaopenaccess.wordpress.com oa.openaccess @ gmail.com | @OAopenaccess ___ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.org http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal L. W. Hurtado, PhD, FRSE Emeritus Professor of New Testament Language, Literature Theology Honorary Professorial Fellow New College (School of Divinity) University of Edinburgh Mound Place Edinburgh, UK. EH1 2LX Office Phone:
[GOAL] Re: Hat Tip: Let's not leave Humanities behind in the dash for open access
As I mentioned in my brief review which linked to Peter Webster's article, he isn't saying humanities scholars will reject OA, but there needs to be nuance within the larger conversation. His articulation was helpful to alert us to the fact that different disciplines take differing approaches to scholarly communication. Current funding models clearly favor the sciences, which tend to be more flush with cash to cover APCs (which, as has been discussed, are being exploited to keep commercial publishers in control of the system, and their revenues). I tend to agree with Falk, however. I appreciate the realities of disciplinary and institutional inertia, the power of tradition, and the fear of jeopardized reputations and (in the case of many scholarly societies) revenue streams. But there are now virtually no technical barriers for any community or group of scholars to start publishing a low cost OA journal before the end of day today (depending on your time zone). The tools are readily available. These journals can be designed to reduce the time period between submission and publication. Whether new or existing, what is needed is for the scholarly communities and the respected scholars within these communities to AUTHORIZE these journals with their reputations. We will sit on editorial boards of these OA journals. We will serve as reviewers for these journals. We will submit our research articles to these journals. We will validate for our institutions the quality of the research published in these journals for tenure and promotion, and for the encouragement of junior scholars who are trying to build their own reputations. We will encourage our institutions' provosts, department heads, libraries and university presses to help fund/lend expertise to these journals as they grow and require more administrative and technical support. Gary F. Daught Omega Alpha | Open Access http://oaopenaccess.wordpress.com Advocate for open access academic publishing in religion and theology oa.openacc...@gmail.com | @OAopenaccess Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 10:52:56 + From: Reckling, Falk, Dr. falk.reckl...@fwf.ac.at Subject: [GOAL] Re: Hat Tip: Let's not leave Humanities behind in the dash for open access To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci) goal@eprints.org Message-ID: 16331e0f-672a-45de-975e-16f583b71...@fwf.ac.at Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1250 I think there is still a misunderstanding with Gold OA. Running a OA journal does not necesserily mean to charges article fees! ...snip... What is needed is a very good editorial board and a basic funding by an institution/society, or by a consortium of institutions or by a charity or ... Or why not considering a megajournal in the Humanities and apply a clever business model as PEERJ tries it right now in the Life Science?: http://peerj.com/ In the end, it is up to the community to develop models which fit their needs ... Best Falk ___ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.org http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal
[GOAL] Re: Hat Tip: Let's not leave Humanities behind in the dash for open access
I think platinum open-access involves publishers and their journals or very often single journals, but green open-access is essentially self-archiving, including self-archiving of previously published stuff, usually in an institutional or disciplinary repository. Here's an example of what I would call a platinum open-access journal: Journal of Library Innovation = http://www.libraryinnovation.org/ --Jeffrey Beall -Original Message- From: goal-boun...@eprints.org [mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org] On Behalf Of Leslie Carr Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 7:35 AM To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci) Subject: [GOAL] Re: Hat Tip: Let's not leave Humanities behind in the dash for open access Is platinum effectively the same as green? Sent from my iPad On 26 Jul 2012, at 14:12, Beall, Jeffrey jeffrey.be...@ucdenver.edu wrote: I make the distinction between gold open-access and platinum open-access. Author fees + free to reader = gold open access No author fees + free to reader = platinum open access This discussion, I think, demonstrates that this distinction is significant and worthy of a separate appellation. Jeffrey Beall, Metadata Librarian / Associate Professor Auraria Library University of Colorado Denver 1100 Lawrence St. Denver, Colo. 80204 USA (303) 556-5936 jeffrey.be...@ucdenver.edu -Original Message- From: goal-boun...@eprints.org [mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org] On Behalf Of Reckling, Falk, Dr. Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 4:53 AM To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci) Subject: [GOAL] Re: Hat Tip: Let's not leave Humanities behind in the dash for open access I think there is still a misunderstanding with Gold OA. Running a OA journal does not necesserily mean to charges article fees! Take Economics as an example: meanwhile there are some good OA journals, most of them are new but with very prominent advisory boards (which is a good predictor of being successful in the long run) a) E-conomics (institutional funding): http://www.economics-ejournal.org/ b) Theoretical Economics (society based funding): http://econtheory.org/ c) 5x IZA journals published with SpringerOpen (institutional funding): http://journals.iza.org/ d) Journal of Economic Perspective (a former subscription journal but now society based funding): http://www.aeaweb.org/jep/index.php All of them are without APCs, and that model also works in many other fields. What is needed is a very good editorial board and a basic funding by an institution/society, or by a consortium of institutions or by a charity or ... Or why not considering a megajournal in the Humanities and apply a clever business model as PEERJ tries it right now in the Life Science?: http://peerj.com/ In the end, it is up to the community to develop models which fit their needs ... Best Falk Am 26.07.2012 um 12:09 schrieb l.hurt...@ed.ac.uk l.hurt...@ed.ac.uk: The question isn't whether they're free or not, but whether they play major roles as venues and outlets for important Humanities scholarship. And also it's still the case that traditional print journals involve long print cues and delays in publication. And also it's the case that university libraries paying ridiculous subscription charges for journals in the Sciences have less funding for monographs (still the gold standard in Humanities), and even put pressure on Humanities to cut their journals. Finally, there is the concern that the current move to gold OA with pages charges, etc., will adversely affect Humanities scholars. So, please, no snap and simple replies. Let's engage the problems. Larry Hurtado Quoting Jan Szczepanski jan.szczepansk...@gmail.com on Wed, 25 Jul 2012 22:53:06 +0200: Is more than sixteen thousand free e-journals in the humanities and social sciences of any importance in this discussion? http://www.scribd.com/Jan%20Szczepanski Jan 2012/7/25 l.hurt...@ed.ac.uk: Webster concisely articulates the concerns that I briefly mooted a few days ago. Larry Hurtado Quoting Omega Alpha Open Access oa.openacc...@gmail.com on Wed, 25 Jul 2012 11:03:30 -0400: Hat Tip: Let's not leave Humanities behind in the dash for open access http://wp.me/p20y83-no Nice article this morning by Peter Webster on the Research Fortnight website entitled Humanities left behind in the dash for open access. http://www.researchresearch.com/index.php?option=com_newstemplat e =rr_2colview=articlearticleId=1214091 Check it out. Webster observes that much of the current conversation around the growth of open access focuses on the sciences and use of an author-pays business model. He feels inadequate attention in the conversation has been given to the unique needs of humanities scholarship, and why it may be harder for humanist scholars to embrace open access based on the author-pays model.
[GOAL] Re: Hat Tip: Let's not leave Humanities behind in the dash for open access
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 4:03 PM, Beall, Jeffrey jeffrey.be...@ucdenver.eduwrote: I think platinum open-access involves publishers and their journals or very often single journals, but green open-access is essentially self-archiving, including self-archiving of previously published stuff, usually in an institutional or disciplinary repository. Here's an example of what I would call a platinum open-access journal: Journal of Library Innovation = http://www.libraryinnovation.org/ This is NOT BOAI-compliant. From their site: Copyright Notice The Journal of Library Innovation is an open access journal. Authors retain the copyright to their work under the terms of the following Creative Commons license: Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative Works 3.0 (United States) http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/us/.http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/us/ All authors will be required to sign a License to Publish prior to publication. NC is not BOAI-compliant ND is not-BOAI-compliant This licence would not be acceptable to a large number of funders (RCUK, Wellcome, ESF, NIH, etc.) For this reason it is important that we stop using arbitrary words and start using precise terms. If this is a platinum journal then I am not in favour of this term. -- Peter Murray-Rust Reader in Molecular Informatics Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry University of Cambridge CB2 1EW, UK +44-1223-763069 ___ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.org http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal
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On 2012-07-26, at 8:16 AM, Beall, Jeffrey wrote: I make the distinction between gold open-access and platinum open-access. Author fees + free to reader = gold open access No author fees + free to reader = platinum open access OA comes in two degrees: Gratis OA is free online access. Libre OA is free online access plus various re-use rights OA can be provided via Gold OA publishing or via Green OA self-archiving. Gold OA publishing is defined as free to the reader. Some Gold OA journals charge and author fee, some don't. Some are pure Gold OA, some are hybrid. We don't need a new color for every variant. Stevan Harnad And OA comes in two degrees: This discussion, I think, demonstrates that this distinction is significant and worthy of a separate appellation. Jeffrey Beall, Metadata Librarian / Associate Professor Auraria Library University of Colorado Denver 1100 Lawrence St. Denver, Colo. 80204 USA (303) 556-5936 jeffrey.be...@ucdenver.edu -Original Message- From: goal-boun...@eprints.org [mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org] On Behalf Of Reckling, Falk, Dr. Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 4:53 AM To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci) Subject: [GOAL] Re: Hat Tip: Let's not leave Humanities behind in the dash for open access I think there is still a misunderstanding with Gold OA. Running a OA journal does not necesserily mean to charges article fees! Take Economics as an example: meanwhile there are some good OA journals, most of them are new but with very prominent advisory boards (which is a good predictor of being successful in the long run) a) E-conomics (institutional funding): http://www.economics-ejournal.org/ b) Theoretical Economics (society based funding): http://econtheory.org/ c) 5x IZA journals published with SpringerOpen (institutional funding): http://journals.iza.org/ d) Journal of Economic Perspective (a former subscription journal but now society based funding): http://www.aeaweb.org/jep/index.php All of them are without APCs, and that model also works in many other fields. What is needed is a very good editorial board and a basic funding by an institution/society, or by a consortium of institutions or by a charity or ... Or why not considering a megajournal in the Humanities and apply a clever business model as PEERJ tries it right now in the Life Science?: http://peerj.com/ In the end, it is up to the community to develop models which fit their needs ... Best Falk Am 26.07.2012 um 12:09 schrieb l.hurt...@ed.ac.uk l.hurt...@ed.ac.uk: The question isn't whether they're free or not, but whether they play major roles as venues and outlets for important Humanities scholarship. And also it's still the case that traditional print journals involve long print cues and delays in publication. And also it's the case that university libraries paying ridiculous subscription charges for journals in the Sciences have less funding for monographs (still the gold standard in Humanities), and even put pressure on Humanities to cut their journals. Finally, there is the concern that the current move to gold OA with pages charges, etc., will adversely affect Humanities scholars. So, please, no snap and simple replies. Let's engage the problems. Larry Hurtado Quoting Jan Szczepanski jan.szczepansk...@gmail.com on Wed, 25 Jul 2012 22:53:06 +0200: Is more than sixteen thousand free e-journals in the humanities and social sciences of any importance in this discussion? http://www.scribd.com/Jan%20Szczepanski Jan 2012/7/25 l.hurt...@ed.ac.uk: Webster concisely articulates the concerns that I briefly mooted a few days ago. Larry Hurtado Quoting Omega Alpha Open Access oa.openacc...@gmail.com on Wed, 25 Jul 2012 11:03:30 -0400: Hat Tip: Let's not leave Humanities behind in the dash for open access http://wp.me/p20y83-no Nice article this morning by Peter Webster on the Research Fortnight website entitled Humanities left behind in the dash for open access. http://www.researchresearch.com/index.php?option=com_newstemplate =rr_2colview=articlearticleId=1214091 Check it out. Webster observes that much of the current conversation around the growth of open access focuses on the sciences and use of an author-pays business model. He feels inadequate attention in the conversation has been given to the unique needs of humanities scholarship, and why it may be harder for humanist scholars to embrace open access based on the author-pays model. There is no Public Library of History to match the phenomenally successful Public Library of Science. . Your comments are welcome. Gary F. Daught Omega Alpha | Open Access Advocate for open access academic publishing in religion and theology http://oaopenaccess.wordpress.com oa.openaccess @ gmail.com | @OAopenaccess
[GOAL] Re: Hat Tip: Let's not leave Humanities behind in the dash for open access
Like Stevan Harnad, I say: enough with colours! The important thing to remember is that gold OA is not, repeat *NOT* limited to author-pay schemes. There are indeed many journals that are gratis to authors and libre to readers (e.g. SciELO and RedALyC journals in latin America and beyond). To my mind, this is the optimal version of Gold. Jean-Claude Guédon Le jeudi 26 juillet 2012 à 06:16 -0600, Beall, Jeffrey a écrit : I make the distinction between gold open-access and platinum open-access. Author fees + free to reader = gold open access No author fees + free to reader = platinum open access This discussion, I think, demonstrates that this distinction is significant and worthy of a separate appellation. Jeffrey Beall, Metadata Librarian / Associate Professor Auraria Library University of Colorado Denver 1100 Lawrence St. Denver, Colo. 80204 USA (303) 556-5936 jeffrey.be...@ucdenver.edu -Original Message- From: goal-boun...@eprints.org [mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org] On Behalf Of Reckling, Falk, Dr. Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 4:53 AM To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci) Subject: [GOAL] Re: Hat Tip: Let's not leave Humanities behind in the dash for open access I think there is still a misunderstanding with Gold OA. Running a OA journal does not necesserily mean to charges article fees! Take Economics as an example: meanwhile there are some good OA journals, most of them are new but with very prominent advisory boards (which is a good predictor of being successful in the long run) a) E-conomics (institutional funding): http://www.economics-ejournal.org/ b) Theoretical Economics (society based funding): http://econtheory.org/ c) 5x IZA journals published with SpringerOpen (institutional funding): http://journals.iza.org/ d) Journal of Economic Perspective (a former subscription journal but now society based funding): http://www.aeaweb.org/jep/index.php All of them are without APCs, and that model also works in many other fields. What is needed is a very good editorial board and a basic funding by an institution/society, or by a consortium of institutions or by a charity or ... Or why not considering a megajournal in the Humanities and apply a clever business model as PEERJ tries it right now in the Life Science?: http://peerj.com/ In the end, it is up to the community to develop models which fit their needs ... Best Falk Am 26.07.2012 um 12:09 schrieb l.hurt...@ed.ac.uk l.hurt...@ed.ac.uk: The question isn't whether they're free or not, but whether they play major roles as venues and outlets for important Humanities scholarship. And also it's still the case that traditional print journals involve long print cues and delays in publication. And also it's the case that university libraries paying ridiculous subscription charges for journals in the Sciences have less funding for monographs (still the gold standard in Humanities), and even put pressure on Humanities to cut their journals. Finally, there is the concern that the current move to gold OA with pages charges, etc., will adversely affect Humanities scholars. So, please, no snap and simple replies. Let's engage the problems. Larry Hurtado Quoting Jan Szczepanski jan.szczepansk...@gmail.com on Wed, 25 Jul 2012 22:53:06 +0200: Is more than sixteen thousand free e-journals in the humanities and social sciences of any importance in this discussion? http://www.scribd.com/Jan%20Szczepanski Jan 2012/7/25 l.hurt...@ed.ac.uk: Webster concisely articulates the concerns that I briefly mooted a few days ago. Larry Hurtado Quoting Omega Alpha Open Access oa.openacc...@gmail.com on Wed, 25 Jul 2012 11:03:30 -0400: Hat Tip: Let's not leave Humanities behind in the dash for open access http://wp.me/p20y83-no Nice article this morning by Peter Webster on the Research Fortnight website entitled Humanities left behind in the dash for open access. http://www.researchresearch.com/index.php?option=com_newstemplate =rr_2colview=articlearticleId=1214091 Check it out. Webster observes that much of the current conversation around the growth of open access focuses on the sciences and use of an author-pays business model. He feels inadequate attention in the conversation has been given to the unique needs of humanities scholarship, and why it may be harder for humanist scholars to embrace open access based on the author-pays model. There is no Public Library of History to match the phenomenally successful Public Library of Science. . Your comments are welcome. Gary F. Daught Omega Alpha | Open Access Advocate for open access academic publishing in religion and theology http://oaopenaccess.wordpress.com oa.openaccess @ gmail.com | @OAopenaccess
[GOAL] Re: Hat Tip: Let's not leave Humanities behind in the dash for open access
Webster concisely articulates the concerns that I briefly mooted a few days ago. Larry Hurtado Quoting Omega Alpha Open Access oa.openacc...@gmail.com on Wed, 25 Jul 2012 11:03:30 -0400: Hat Tip: Let’s not leave Humanities behind in the dash for open access http://wp.me/p20y83-no Nice article this morning by Peter Webster on the Research Fortnight website entitled Humanities left behind in the dash for open access. http://www.researchresearch.com/index.php?option=com_newstemplate=rr_2colview=articlearticleId=1214091 Check it out. Webster observes that much of the current conversation around the growth of open access focuses on the sciences and use of an “author-pays” business model. He feels inadequate attention in the conversation has been given to the unique needs of humanities scholarship, and why it may be harder for humanist scholars to embrace open access based on the “author-pays” model. There is no Public Library of History to match the phenomenally successful Public Library of Science. … Your comments are welcome. Gary F. Daught Omega Alpha | Open Access Advocate for open access academic publishing in religion and theology http://oaopenaccess.wordpress.com oa.openaccess @ gmail.com | @OAopenaccess ___ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.org http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal L. W. Hurtado, PhD, FRSE Emeritus Professor of New Testament Language, Literature Theology Honorary Professorial Fellow New College (School of Divinity) University of Edinburgh Mound Place Edinburgh, UK. EH1 2LX Office Phone: (0)131 650 8920. FAX: (0)131 650 7952 www.ed.ac.uk/divinity -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. ___ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.org http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal
[GOAL] Re: Hat Tip: Let's not leave Humanities behind in the dash for open access
Is more than sixteen thousand free e-journals in the humanities and social sciences of any importance in this discussion? http://www.scribd.com/Jan%20Szczepanski Jan 2012/7/25 l.hurt...@ed.ac.uk: Webster concisely articulates the concerns that I briefly mooted a few days ago. Larry Hurtado Quoting Omega Alpha Open Access oa.openacc...@gmail.com on Wed, 25 Jul 2012 11:03:30 -0400: Hat Tip: Let’s not leave Humanities behind in the dash for open access http://wp.me/p20y83-no Nice article this morning by Peter Webster on the Research Fortnight website entitled Humanities left behind in the dash for open access. http://www.researchresearch.com/index.php?option=com_newstemplate=rr_2colview=articlearticleId=1214091 Check it out. Webster observes that much of the current conversation around the growth of open access focuses on the sciences and use of an “author-pays” business model. He feels inadequate attention in the conversation has been given to the unique needs of humanities scholarship, and why it may be harder for humanist scholars to embrace open access based on the “author-pays” model. There is no Public Library of History to match the phenomenally successful Public Library of Science. … Your comments are welcome. Gary F. Daught Omega Alpha | Open Access Advocate for open access academic publishing in religion and theology http://oaopenaccess.wordpress.com oa.openaccess @ gmail.com | @OAopenaccess ___ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.org http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal L. W. Hurtado, PhD, FRSE Emeritus Professor of New Testament Language, Literature Theology Honorary Professorial Fellow New College (School of Divinity) University of Edinburgh Mound Place Edinburgh, UK. EH1 2LX Office Phone: (0)131 650 8920. FAX: (0)131 650 7952 www.ed.ac.uk/divinity -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. ___ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.org http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal -- Jan Szczepański F.d Förste bibliotekare och chef för f.d Avdelningen för humaniora vid Göteborgs universitetsbibliotek E-post: jan.szczepansk...@gmail.com ___ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.org http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal
[GOAL] Re: Hat Tip: Let's not leave Humanities behind in the dash for open access
And the fact the ones that are not free are generally very modestly priced? Dana L. Roth Millikan Library / Caltech 1-32 1200 E. California Blvd. Pasadena, CA 91125 626-395-6423 fax 626-792-7540 dzr...@library.caltech.edu http://library.caltech.edu/collections/chemistry.htm -Original Message- From: goal-boun...@eprints.org [mailto:goal-boun...@eprints.org] On Behalf Of Jan Szczepanski Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 1:53 PM To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci) Subject: [GOAL] Re: Hat Tip: Let's not leave Humanities behind in the dash for open access Is more than sixteen thousand free e-journals in the humanities and social sciences of any importance in this discussion? http://www.scribd.com/Jan%20Szczepanski Jan 2012/7/25 l.hurt...@ed.ac.uk: Webster concisely articulates the concerns that I briefly mooted a few days ago. Larry Hurtado Quoting Omega Alpha Open Access oa.openacc...@gmail.com on Wed, 25 Jul 2012 11:03:30 -0400: Hat Tip: Let’s not leave Humanities behind in the dash for open access http://wp.me/p20y83-no Nice article this morning by Peter Webster on the Research Fortnight website entitled Humanities left behind in the dash for open access. http://www.researchresearch.com/index.php?option=com_newstemplate=r r_2colview=articlearticleId=1214091 Check it out. Webster observes that much of the current conversation around the growth of open access focuses on the sciences and use of an “author-pays” business model. He feels inadequate attention in the conversation has been given to the unique needs of humanities scholarship, and why it may be harder for humanist scholars to embrace open access based on the “author-pays” model. There is no Public Library of History to match the phenomenally successful Public Library of Science. … Your comments are welcome. Gary F. Daught Omega Alpha | Open Access Advocate for open access academic publishing in religion and theology http://oaopenaccess.wordpress.com oa.openaccess @ gmail.com | @OAopenaccess ___ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.org http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal L. W. Hurtado, PhD, FRSE Emeritus Professor of New Testament Language, Literature Theology Honorary Professorial Fellow New College (School of Divinity) University of Edinburgh Mound Place Edinburgh, UK. EH1 2LX Office Phone: (0)131 650 8920. FAX: (0)131 650 7952 www.ed.ac.uk/divinity -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. ___ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.org http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal -- Jan Szczepański F.d Förste bibliotekare och chef för f.d Avdelningen för humaniora vid Göteborgs universitetsbibliotek E-post: jan.szczepansk...@gmail.com ___ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.org http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal ___ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.org http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal
