[Goanet]Church built on destroyed temple?
Re Fredrick's .with a so-far unraised 'campaign for demolishing of Christian churches' (which AFAIK first came up in a tongue-in-cheek posting by Godfrey JI Gonsalves). Correct me if I'm wrong. I do not remember if Godfrey raised the issue. However, the issue was raised more than two weeks ago, and to my specific question of whether it was actually raised by the BJP today, people have gone in all directions. If it was a toungue-in-cheek posting, it would have been nice if Godfrey had said so when I first raised the issue. And if Fredrick felt it was a tongure-in-cheek posting, it would have been nice if he had said at the very beginnning. If this had happened, Gilbert would have no necessity to say: The main message being Hindus can progress without needing a crutch of another community or religion. In this context, Almeida's posting of the article Excavating Hindutva would have become redundant. But having posted the article, let me deal with a few issues. The court asked for excavation at the site in Ayodhya precisely because there were claims that there was a temple destroyed there, and others were saying that this is not historically true. No one is claiming that the Rashtrapati Bhavan occupies a structure which was destroyed for the purpose of building the present structure. So, bringing in this issue with that of Ayodhya is trivalising what is quite a serious issue. The author of the article says, amongst other things, that one of the gifts of the British colonialists is the architecture of a bungalow. This is absurd. The ability of our ancestors to construct appropriate places of dwelling is well established. I am sure they did not need the British to teach them. Of course, cross fertilisation of ideas is a feature of all vibrant civilisations. While the British may have taught us somethings, they also learnt from their interaction with the Indians. And this can be said of all civilisations. However, what was the state of our country prior to the British rule has been well documented by them. One Dharampal has studied the documents, and I understand that he has brought them out in a five-volume publication. I also understand that one of the publishers of this set is The Other Press (I hope I have the name right for the publication house set up by Claude Alvares). People say that the British gave us the railways. In a technical sense yes. But it makes an assumption that if were not free we would not have built them ourselves. Also we should remember that the British did not give us a grant - they used our money to do something whose primary objective was for their own benefit, and the benefit for the Indians was incidental. Anyway, in an earlier posting I had said that Hindus in Goa have accepted the fact that their temples were destroyed and churches built on at least some of them. Also, not all churches are built on such sites. But let us not raise a bogey, tongue-in-cheek or any other mode, that some organisations want to reclaim the sites. Sachin Phadte. _ Get an IndianOil Citibank ATM/Debit Card. http://go.msnserver.com/IN/45534.asp Save upto 5% on your fuel expenses. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]For The Lighter Side !
How to identify the State/City you are in by observing a brawl: Scenario 1 Two guys are fighting and a third guy comes along, then a fourth and they start arguing about who's right. You are in Kolkatta ! *** Scenario 2 Two guys are fighting and a third guy comes along, sees them and walks on. That's Mumbai ! *** Scenario 3 Two guys are fighting and a third guy comes along tries to make peace. The first two get together beats him up. That's Delhi ! *** Scenario 4 Two guys are fighting and a third guy comes and shows the board... Not In Front Of My House, Shift To Someother Place Now you are in Chennai!!! *** Scenario 5 Two guys are fighting and a third guy comes along, then a fourth and they start to figure out an algorithm to solve the fight, without actually getting involved. Then you are in Bangalore ! *** Scenario 6 Two guys are fighting. A crowd gathers to watch. A guy comes along and quietly opens a Tea(chai) stall. That's anywhere in Kerala ! *** Scenario 7 Two guys are fighting and a crowd gathers, but stays far enough; on their side of the fence to enjoy the fun; Nobody bothers to interfere, nor plays truce... You Guessed right, you are in Goa:-)!!! --- Seb d'costa Ponda/Dubai - HAVE A NICE DAY - ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]31 MAR 2004: GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS
GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS 31 March 2004 Today's GOACOM VIDEO NEWSCAST at http://www.goacom.com/news goacomNews29 Mar 04 H E A D L I N E S - SSC Exams commences - All saints procession feast - New Campal football stadium to come up in the next couple of years - Salgaocar wins 40th Bandodkar cricket trophy. Website: http://www.goacom.com Webzine GoaNOW: http://www.goacom.com/goanow Daily Clippings: http://www.goacom.com/news DR WILLY'S FATE HANGS IN BALANCE: Though the NCP sources claimed that Dr Wilfred de Souza had received the nod as the alliance candidate for the Panaji Lok Sabha seat, the Congress Party sources indicated that the matter was still hanging fire. Party sources later claimed that the CLP meeting unanimously requested Ponda MLA and former MP, Ravi Naik, to contest the seat and that he had finally relented on the issue. (GT) MINOR'S TRAGIC DEATH RAISES EYEBROWS: He was known to many as Kalia and Rocky for some. Many others just knew him as a street child who would eke out a living by begging and doing odd jobs. On Tuesday, the minor child was crushed to death under the wheels of the Margao Municipal garbage compactor near the old bus stand here, when he was trying to run away from the clutches of the labourers employed on the Margao traffic police pick-up van. (H) TOP COPS DEPOSE BEFORE EC PANEL: The top police brass including suspended ASI V Yeram deposed before the two-member committee appointed by the Election Commission of India to probe into the issue of memo for spying on opposition MLAs. The panel also continued its inquiry into the alleged violation of the model code of conduct, specially the alleged distribution of cheques to beneficiaries under the Dayanand Social Security Scheme and Director of Social Welfare AK Wasnik was also quizzed. (GT) SHARP DECLINE IN BOYS OPTING FOR PHARMACY SEATS: The number of boys passing out of the only Pharmacy College in the State is decreasing over the years. Yet, pharmaceutical companies do not seem unduly worried about the shortage of manpower, either now or in the foreseeable future; they are already filling the vacuum by importing manpower from outside the State. (H) PAY PARKING IN MARGAO: The Margao Municipal Council will now commence pay parking from 1 April. (GT) MAPUSA CIVIC BODY TO COLLECT PARKING FEES: Mapusa Municipality will start collecting parking fees from four wheelers which are parked at the taxi stand from April 1. (NT) PRESERVE TREES AT OLD GMC COMPLEX: The People's Movement for Civic Action has urged the State government to preserve the tree cover at the old GMC complex so as to add more value to the precinct and to make the proposed project for IFFI eco-friendly. (H) PAEDOPHILE DUO'S RELEASE LEAVE CRG DISMAYED: Children's Rights in Goa (CRG) has expressed dismay over the order passed by the Bombay High Court ordering the release of a paedophile Swiss couple, who had served only half the term awarded to them by a city session court, after being convicted of sexually exploiting poor, tender-aged girls. The couple were released on the ground that they would pay compensation of Rs. One lakh to each of the victims and that they would also not plead their appeal 'based on merits' against the conviction by the session court, says a press release issued by CRG. (H) CM HEARS LOUTULIM VILLAGERS PROBLEMS: Chief Minister Manohar Parrikar's yatra to the Loutulim village to meet BJP workers turned up to a grievances redressal meeting where those gathered put their problems faced before the CM. Parrikar, who is known to be a late comer, however, on his first ever visit to Loutulim last Thursday, arrived on time but with workers having not arrived, had to wait for almost half an hour at the residence of Jose Pinheiro. (GT) SOUTH: BJP GROWING FROM STRENGTH TO STRENGTH: Traditionally, South Goa constituency has been the Congress stronghold. The party has won the seat more than five times since 1963, while the original United Goans had bagged the seat twice. The MGP, United Goans Democratic Party and BJP had won the seat once. Significantly, though a redoubt of the Congress, the party has been struggling to maintain its winning streak in the last three polls. What 's interesting to note here is the slow but steady rise of the BJP in South Goa in the last three polls. While former MP Churchill Alemao is Congress' candidate, the BJP has nominated ex-MP Ramakant Angle as its candidate. (H) MORE BOYS BORN IN SOUTH GOA IN 2003: South Goa had more bonny boys born than girls in 2003. Of the births registered in this district from January to October 2003, the male-female ratio stood at 1.09. The ration in favour of males was marginally lower at 1.04 in North Goa, according to official figures. In actual terms, 3877 males were born in South Goa in the first ten months of 2003 as against 3571 females. In the North, the birth rate was much higher-5367 males as against 5148 females. (H) TENDERS FOR STUDY ON
[Goanet-news]31 MAR 2004: GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS
GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS 31 March 2004 Today's GOACOM VIDEO NEWSCAST at http://www.goacom.com/news goacomNews29 Mar 04 H E A D L I N E S - SSC Exams commences - All saints procession feast - New Campal football stadium to come up in the next couple of years - Salgaocar wins 40th Bandodkar cricket trophy. Website: http://www.goacom.com Webzine GoaNOW: http://www.goacom.com/goanow Daily Clippings: http://www.goacom.com/news DR WILLY'S FATE HANGS IN BALANCE: Though the NCP sources claimed that Dr Wilfred de Souza had received the nod as the alliance candidate for the Panaji Lok Sabha seat, the Congress Party sources indicated that the matter was still hanging fire. Party sources later claimed that the CLP meeting unanimously requested Ponda MLA and former MP, Ravi Naik, to contest the seat and that he had finally relented on the issue. (GT) MINOR'S TRAGIC DEATH RAISES EYEBROWS: He was known to many as Kalia and Rocky for some. Many others just knew him as a street child who would eke out a living by begging and doing odd jobs. On Tuesday, the minor child was crushed to death under the wheels of the Margao Municipal garbage compactor near the old bus stand here, when he was trying to run away from the clutches of the labourers employed on the Margao traffic police pick-up van. (H) TOP COPS DEPOSE BEFORE EC PANEL: The top police brass including suspended ASI V Yeram deposed before the two-member committee appointed by the Election Commission of India to probe into the issue of memo for spying on opposition MLAs. The panel also continued its inquiry into the alleged violation of the model code of conduct, specially the alleged distribution of cheques to beneficiaries under the Dayanand Social Security Scheme and Director of Social Welfare AK Wasnik was also quizzed. (GT) SHARP DECLINE IN BOYS OPTING FOR PHARMACY SEATS: The number of boys passing out of the only Pharmacy College in the State is decreasing over the years. Yet, pharmaceutical companies do not seem unduly worried about the shortage of manpower, either now or in the foreseeable future; they are already filling the vacuum by importing manpower from outside the State. (H) PAY PARKING IN MARGAO: The Margao Municipal Council will now commence pay parking from 1 April. (GT) MAPUSA CIVIC BODY TO COLLECT PARKING FEES: Mapusa Municipality will start collecting parking fees from four wheelers which are parked at the taxi stand from April 1. (NT) PRESERVE TREES AT OLD GMC COMPLEX: The People's Movement for Civic Action has urged the State government to preserve the tree cover at the old GMC complex so as to add more value to the precinct and to make the proposed project for IFFI eco-friendly. (H) PAEDOPHILE DUO'S RELEASE LEAVE CRG DISMAYED: Children's Rights in Goa (CRG) has expressed dismay over the order passed by the Bombay High Court ordering the release of a paedophile Swiss couple, who had served only half the term awarded to them by a city session court, after being convicted of sexually exploiting poor, tender-aged girls. The couple were released on the ground that they would pay compensation of Rs. One lakh to each of the victims and that they would also not plead their appeal 'based on merits' against the conviction by the session court, says a press release issued by CRG. (H) CM HEARS LOUTULIM VILLAGERS PROBLEMS: Chief Minister Manohar Parrikar's yatra to the Loutulim village to meet BJP workers turned up to a grievances redressal meeting where those gathered put their problems faced before the CM. Parrikar, who is known to be a late comer, however, on his first ever visit to Loutulim last Thursday, arrived on time but with workers having not arrived, had to wait for almost half an hour at the residence of Jose Pinheiro. (GT) SOUTH: BJP GROWING FROM STRENGTH TO STRENGTH: Traditionally, South Goa constituency has been the Congress stronghold. The party has won the seat more than five times since 1963, while the original United Goans had bagged the seat twice. The MGP, United Goans Democratic Party and BJP had won the seat once. Significantly, though a redoubt of the Congress, the party has been struggling to maintain its winning streak in the last three polls. What 's interesting to note here is the slow but steady rise of the BJP in South Goa in the last three polls. While former MP Churchill Alemao is Congress' candidate, the BJP has nominated ex-MP Ramakant Angle as its candidate. (H) MORE BOYS BORN IN SOUTH GOA IN 2003: South Goa had more bonny boys born than girls in 2003. Of the births registered in this district from January to October 2003, the male-female ratio stood at 1.09. The ration in favour of males was marginally lower at 1.04 in North Goa, according to official figures. In actual terms, 3877 males were born in South Goa in the first ten months of 2003 as against 3571 females. In the North, the birth rate was much higher-5367 males as against 5148 females. (H) TENDERS FOR STUDY ON
Re: [Goanet]RE: Retaining walls in Church
--- Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was intrigued by a respondent's astute observation of a temple wall incorporated in church wall in Old Goa. Certainly this is some valid observation (on the ground) and may be even better than a written documented observation of Goa's history. However as I analyze this observation, the issue that intrigues me is why would the architect and builder retain a wall? And more importantly the foundation under the wall of an old building as part of the new building? The old foundation will have to bear the weight of the new (larger) structure and roof. If you were building a house for yourself, (as I did) would you want a wall of an old house (of uncertain building materials) maintained and be a small component of the new house? And run the risk of collapse of the entire structure at later date due to the unknown foundation? Or would it be a lot easier for all involved and a lot safer to just build the new structure in-toto? Is the astute observation a fact or a mind's eye? Regards, Gilbert When you are in a hurry to build a church or a mosque, and there are no bricks or stones available, you typically use those from the temple that you destroyed. I know of several mosques in North India, that used stones from other temples. In some strange cases, the stones were brought from several hundred miles away. But from what I read, it was a standard practice. -Tariq __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Award for best ( worst?) Goanetters -Voting begins
Voting now Started: Ends on 15th April 2004. Serious, I dont play joke (Except on April fool day) but please dont try to call the number +447764982450 it does not except calls although it shows missed calls.( I have few already) The phone/number is for sms only (also for emails) fax no.being 00447764986044 all emails/SMS/Faxes come straight on to this Personal Mobile Nokia 9210. Received about 5 email/votes already . Minimum votes requirement (in favour) to declare elected has now been revised to a undisclosed no. Vote for any one e.g. Caintan- Pinto- Ladru-pedru-gabru-jose-joao-bostiao-camil etc etc but remember, their names/postings MUST appear on GOANET at least 10 times. = http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ ___ WIN FREE WORLDWIDE FLIGHTS - nominate a cafe in the Yahoo! Mail Internet Cafe Awards www.yahoo.co.uk/internetcafes ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Mapuca church
Subject: Church built on Temple? Alfred de Tavares: For a certainty, the Igreja da Nossa Senhora dos Milagres, Mapuca and the Igreja do Espirito Santo, Margao took over the existing temples. The bell tower of the Milagres proves that. Miguel Braganza: I do not know about other churches which are actually converted temples, but the church at Mapusa is definitely one of them. I have written earlier on this forum that the ruling deity of this temple/ church is 'Milagris Saibinn'. The 'Saibinn' is Mary to the Catholics and Tulzai to the 'Hindus' who know their tradition [that is a minority today] in Goa. The history of the Mapusa Church has been documented by my grandfather, Alexio Jeronima de Braganca [a respected lawyer, President of the Communidade of Mapuca and a few other institutions in his time] in a Portuguese language book entitled, A Igreja de Mapuca. Copies of the book are available and I have quoted from it for a book published by the Instituto Menezes Braganza a few years ago. My grandfather died in 1955, during the colonial era when RSS and BJP were not heard of in Goa. Facts do not change. We have to learn to live with them, sometimes in spite of them. Viva Goa. Skeptical Gilbert: History is generally recorded in the following three forms: Oral History: Least reliable. a.k.a. legends, kaneos. Written history: Reliable if written close to the time the events occurred. Archeological History: Tavares states that the Bell tower proves that! Question: ... What is that? Catholic churches have bell towers ... Have the bell towers been dated with temple architecture of the period? Miguel writes much about oral history and customs of the Mapuca church that could well have developed over the last 100 to 400 years. I am very glad to note the two communities work well together and have their religious practices in sync. I hope that great relationship continues for another hundred years. The book written by his grandfather may perhaps contain some references to the original history of the church written at or close to the time of its construction - when the church was built ... and ... when the preexisting Hindu temple was destroyed? PLEASE tell us the year of the original written documentations. And abstracts from those original references. And the year your esteemed grandfather put it together. Is there any ARCHEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE CURRENTLY PRESENT on the ground? I noticed Miguel does not mention about his grandfather's opinion on the bell tower. PLEASE CLARIFY. Thanks. Gilbert ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]This post may interest UK -Goans in the voluntary sector
Goans in the voluntary sector- UK 000 The largest event for the UK voluntary sector www.dsc.org.uk/charityfair. Tuesday 27 - Thursday 29 April 2004 Business Design Centre London Home | Exhibition | Events | Partners | Press Releases | Booking | Essential Information Organised by the Directory of Social Change, Charityfair is one of the most important annual events for anyone working in or with the UK voluntary sector. Charityfair 2004 carries the theme 'Working Together for a Better Sector' and for this we've brought together a range of talented and knowledgeable speakers to lead a number of special events, workshops and masterclasses. There are also important updates, introductory workshops, debates and discussion covering almost every aspect of voluntary sector operations, see inside for details. There's something for everyone at Charityfair 2004. We hope to see you there! The Events Charityfair 2004 includes around 190 events covering new developments, issues and introductions to fundraising, management, law, finance, information technology, communications and more. For all the details including how to book click here The Exhibition The exhibition brings together around 100 exhibitors from charities, statutory and commercial organisations. There are also special launches, information and entertainment. There are also limited exhibition places still available. Click here for details. Book your place now What people said about Charityfair 2003: 'I have gained a huge amount of information and tips to take back to my small charity' 'Still a useful event each year. A good chance to focus on my organisation in a global way and get some useful expert input in short burst' 'It's still a useful, informative event even after seven years of attendance' 'A stimulating event for someone new to fundraising' 'Brilliant!' 'Please continue the excellent and inspiring service and support provided through this event and your publications' 000 FWD rene barreto 000 ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet]Portugal: how to get studies accepted by major universities?
Constantino Xavier wrote: PS: Portugal being a member of the EU and generally participating in all academic and research cooperation networks, once you're in Portugal, there is no major obstacle to mobility to their EU countries, provided you get a place... Hi Constantino, that is not absolutely true. Lets take the case of medicine, for example. The fact that Portugal might recognise the Medicine degree from the Goa University and lets suppose a Goan doctor gets his degree recognised in Portugal, that does not necessarily mean that he/she can then practice anywhere in the European Union. What is important is the primary medicine qualification - the first University degree in medicine (MB BS in Goa). The fact that a Goan doctor managed to get his/her MB BS from Goa recognised in Portugal (I suspect he/she is required to answer a few exams) does not necessarily mean that he/she can then practice in other countries of the European Union. If he/she then wishes to move to other countries of the EU, he/she will still have to apply to the other countries General Medical Council which will take into consideration his/her primary qualification from Goa and not the fact that his/her degree his accepted and recognised in Portugal. The only exception is if he/she re-qualifies and acquires another medicine degree from a University from a European Union country. In that case, then he/she will be able to work anywhere in the European Union. Best wishes, Paulo. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Link to website on new book by Rui do Carmo Costa Rio de Janeiro Brazil
Thanks to John M. Pimenta for this information... Please click on the URL below for details of a new Portuguese language book by Rui do Carmo Costa just published in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. Rui is the younger brother of Ilidio Costa of Panjim. http://www.indianarui.com/comprar.htm Aqueles com interesse em adquirir um ou mais exemplares devem enviar cheque nominal, cruzado, pelo correio de valor correspondente ao exposto abaixo, para: Rui do Carmo Costa Rua Ipanema 75/201. Barra da Tijuca. 22631-390. Rio de Janeiro- Brasil. Informar enderec,o completo para a entrega, com cep ou zip code e e-mail para contato. Prec,os por exemplar: o Rio de Janeiro, em maos, R$ 30,00. Solicitar via (21) 2431-1215 ou (21) 243-11651 [EMAIL PROTECTED] o Brasil, por correio, modalidade registrado economico, R$ 38,00 o USA/Canada, por correio, modalidade registrado economico, US$ 20,00 o Europa, por correio, modalidade registrado economico, Euros17,50 o India: informac,oes com Snr. Ilidio Costa, Panaji-Goa. (832) 2465416, clarissa at sancharnet.in ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Checking the rape of the innocents
Dear Goanetters, At last we are hearing the good news that a 'Children's Court' will be set up shortly. The Goa Government has filed an affidavit stating that recently in the Panaji Bench of the Bombay High Court recently. The same Court has approved the name of the judge who will preside over the Children's Court. We do not yet know if the proposed name was that of Justice [Mrs]Bhimba Thali, the Aditional District Sessions Judge in Panaji who has been dealing with similar cases under the existing laws. The Goa State Children's Commission and other bodies like the Village Child Committee, Steering Committee, etc stipulated in the Goa Children's Act,2001 also need to be constituted and made operative. The good news is that things are moving in the right direction. Action has also been initiated to review the Goa Fruit and Ornamental Plant Nurseries [Regulation] Act,1995 and Rules,1997, which have been conspicuous by their breach rather by their implementation. Various combinations of political parties have had their day in the sun since 1995...and done nothing. The current CM is delivering on his promise on this legislation even after Rina Ray is long gone and almost forgotten in Goa...but it is not a priority with him as is IFFI. Do not expect the Children's Court in a jiffy. Work for it. Eternal vigilance is the price of Freedom. I am tracking the progress of the Goa Children's Act. The Bailancho Saad is working on it. You can help by raising the issue. Many hands make light work. Viva Goa. Miguel - Original Message - From: Chief Minister of Goa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Miguel Braganza [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 12:46 PM Subject: Reply Dear Shri Braganza, Thanks for the email dated November 12, 2003 In this regard, I have directed the Women and Child Department to speed up the matter on framing rules etc in respect to children's act. With kind regards, Yours sincerely, Manohar Parrikar Chief Minister of Goa - Original Message - From: Miguel Braganza [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Information [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Joe Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:40 PM Subject: Rape of the Innocents We have a long way to go. As the good old Chinese saying goes, A journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step. We have the Goa Children's Act,2003; we have a reconstituted Goa State Women's Commission, we have enlightened parents and NGOs; we do have a more responsive[ Call it 'communal' if you please, but it is more responsive all the same. ] Government; we have a better administrationand the cases are at least getting registered in the police stations and in the public consciousness. Now is the time to act on the ACT. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.543 / Virus Database: 337 - Release Date: 11/21/2003 ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]GOAN CULTURAL SYMBOLS!
Domnic, How can you forget the BOCAO !! It would be more appropriate to have the Bocao as symbol. -Alfonso Bond Braganza Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 11:38:14 +0300 Subject: [Goanet]GOAN CULTURAL SYMBOLS! Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Every Goan is born with music in his blood. So, how about a GUMMOT for a symbol? It is one of the oldest music-related instruments which has existed in Goa for centuries! Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]RE: bharatis
Bernardo, Exactly what type of reaction were you trying to generate by starting this discussion? Furthermore, please explain your allegations of malabarism. Besides selling cellphone accessories, did these guys also have some sort of juggling act? Neal Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nealpinto.com - --- On Sun 03/21, =?iso-8859-1?q?Bernado=20Colaco?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bernado=20Colaco?= [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 02:56:52 + (GMT) Subject: Re: [Goanet]RE: bharatis You condone the malabarism bit that killed hundreds innit? Worried more about your bharati origins! B. Colaco ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Konkan Fruit Fest- in May,2004
Subject: Konkan Fruit Fest-2004 The second Konkan Fruit Fest will be held from 7 to 9 May, 2004, at the Heritage Precint, Campal-Panaji. There will be an exhibition of various fruits and fruit products from the Konkan region of India. Competitions will be held for various fruits of the season including mango, cashew, jack, sapota/chickoo, guava, bullsheart/anona, soursop, Lakoocha/vomt, Bhirand/Kokum, Mangosteen, Star fruit/Carambola, Jamun/Rose apple, Indian Cherry/carvanda, banana, papaya, pine-apple, etc. As in 2003, each entry will consist of six ripe fruits for mango, guava,chickoo,etc and twenty fruits for jamun, Carvanda, etc. A change this year is for the Jackfruit wherein ten fruit bulbs[ goreh] will be displayed in a shrink- pack plate instead of the entire fruit. The plate will be provided by the organizers. On-the-spot competitions will be held in fruit eating. Mango, banana and watermelon were eaten with gusto last year. We intend to add papaya eating to the list this year. Fruits, juices, fruit plates,syrups,squashes, preserves,wines,etc will be on display and sale. Stalls for sale of fruits will be available. Fruit plants will also be available on sale at the venue. For details contact: Dr.H.Y.Karapurkar Ph.2225549 A.J.Gomes Ph.2233775, 5641533 Miguel Braganza 9822988121, 2255139 or email [EMAIL PROTECTED], ajgomes@ indiatimes.com or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Warm regards, Miguel --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.543 / Virus Database: 337 - Release Date: 11/21/2003 ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]HANGING ON TO EXTENSIONS
- From: airesrod [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wrote: Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 10:56 PM Subject: [Goanet]HANGING ON TO EXTENSIONS Good Governance and transparency Goa Government style. Last week the Election Commission ruled that it was not appropriate for North Goa Collector, Mr. Kashkamat, to be the Returning Officer for the forthcoming Lok Sabha elections. Now, Chief Minister Manohar Parrikar has appointed him Joint Secretary, Administrative Reforms Department. There are many who contribute to this forum who think this present Govt. has worked wonders. Surely the proof will be in the pudding, at the Polling booths. Cheers, Gabe Menezes. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Navelim Consumer Forum decries Ravanfond bridge closure
-- Documented by Goa Desc Resource Centre Ph:2252660 Website: www.goadesc.org Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Press Clippings on the web: http://www.goadesc.org/mem/ -- --- Navelim decries Ravanfond bridge closure --- The Navelim Civic and Consumer Forum has resolved to protest the sudden closure of Ravanfond bridge by the government at Aquem-Baixo, Navelim and demanded alternative arrangements forthwith. The matter figured at the monthly general body meeting of the Forum on March 28 wherein members pointed out that the bridge is the only way for the residents of Aquem-Baixo, Firgulem, Shantinagar, Gantamorod, Mandopa, Cotoc and other places along with the Margao-Sanvordem route. One member drew attention of the Forum about the absence of any board with the notice of closure of the bridge. It was pointed out that the informative boards which are presently put up giving the directions of routes to be used are very vague and confusing for the motorists. The meeting unanimously stated that the decision to close down such a busy and important link on the State highway was taken without any thought or concern for the common man. Members also decided to call on the Collector and submit a memorandum demanding an immediate an alternative arrangement HERALD 30/3/04 page 4 --- GOA CIVIC AND CONSUMER ACTION NETWORK --- an initiative of GOA DESC RESOURCE CENTRE to promote civic and consumer rights in Goa --- GOACAN Post Box 78 Mapusa, Goa 403 507 Tel: 2252660 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.goacan.org --- ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]How the DSouzas fought banks' excess interest charges
-- Documented by Goa Desc Resource Centre Ph:2252660 Website: www.goadesc.org Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Press Clippings on the web: http://www.goadesc.org/mem/ -- - The art of fighting banks' excess interest charges - Cheques Balances by Sucheta Dalal Deep in the heart of old Mumbai, near C P Tank lies the Madhavbaug temple. Massive gates protect the precinct, comprising a huge courtyard dotted with shops selling items for worship. In a row of tiny hole-in-the wall shops, leading off from these temples is Varun Computer Service, a tiny two-table office that is run by Rasiklal Gandhi and his son. The computer centre is a misnomer. As Gandhis postcard-size pamphlet proclaims, his business is to identify excess interest charged by bank. The sales pitch addressed to advocates, borrowers and defendants says that he can scrutinise the loan accounts and re-compute interest calculation as per the agreed/contractual rate of interest and in line with various provisions of Laws, orders of the Supreme Court, High Court, DRAT (Debt Recovery Administrative Tribunal), DRT (Debt Recovery Tribunal), RBI (Reserve Bank of India) directives. How did re-computing interest turn into a business opportunity? His own experience of fighting a long legal battle with Indian Bank in connection with Mahavir Metal Mart and a sister concern. He has battled through the civil courts and the DRT, struggled to get the RBI to part with basic information regarding the applicability of its guidelines, sourced the right information and then re-computed his own interest payable. While Mahavir Metal Mart closed down long ago, Gandhi fought on to protect his assets pledged to the bank. He soon learnt that thousands of smaller borrowers suffered a similar plight and his experience would, for a small fee, help them fight banks that were overcharging them. Talking to Gandhi reveals that the travails of small scale sector businessmen are humungous. The absence of lenders liability rules and the opaque functioning of DRTs allow banks to ride roughshod over borrowers, kill their businesses, confiscate their assets pledged as security and then leave them with massive legal bills. Over the years, Gandhi has recomputed interest for nearly 300 clients who are mainly from Mumbai, but occasionally from as far as Sangli, Raigad, Hyderabad and even Assam. Clients come to Gandhi through a network of advocates and there are probably thousands of or lakhs of borrowers who are still chasing their tails to figure out whether their banks have been fair to them and if redressal is even available. Many simply may not know for years that they have been overcharged. I met Rasiklal Gandhi through Deepika DSouza and her father, who sought Gandhis services to help them in a decade long battle against a nationalised bank to save Dil Udyog, a SSI unit making single point gas monitors for explosive gases. Their charges against the nationalised bank include failure to disburse loans sanctioned to them; charging higher interest for facilities sanctioned, creating excessive mortgage and securities against amounts sanctioned and not disbursed, and finally refusal to settle their loan account or allow it to be transferred to another bank. In case after case, it becomes apparent that banks treat the smallest entrepreneurs with utmost callousness and in fact drive them into losses and bankruptcy by refusing to provide timely and promised disbursement of finance. Most small borrowers, whether Gandhi or Deepika DSouzas late mother Elinda, go through a predictable set of attempts to seek redressal before ending up in court or with the DRT. Here is what they find. The banking Ombudsman only looks into delays in clearance and collection of cheques. The Department of Banking Operations Development, when it replies, says that overcharging of interest amounts to a fraud and so is not their domain. The Rural Planning Credit Department sometimes acts as a post office and forwards complaints and replies back and forth without any attempts to understand or mediate. The cases land up in the High Court or the DRT and languish for two reasons. The bank is never under pressure to resolve the problem because it is usually sitting on pledged assets, which are far in excess of the amount lent or sanctions reneged. Courts tend to side with nationalised banks or simply do not want to get into the merits of the case which too helps the banks. On the other hand, the SSI unit is usually pushed into bankruptcy because it is simply not equipped to keep going without finance and at the same time meet legal expenses and deal with delays. The DSouzas case is a rare example where they have doggedly kept the unit
[Goanet]CONSUMER ALERT:Dialling 95 at local call cost? Think again
-- Documented by Goa Desc Resource Centre Ph:2252660 Website: www.goadesc.org Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Press Clippings on the web: http://www.goadesc.org/mem/ -- - Dialling '95' at local call cost? Think again - Do you believe that the '95' telephone number to Mumbai is at the cost of a local call? You are wrong if you do.The '95' call you make to relatives and friends in Mumbai in fact costs four times as much as a local call does.The lack of adequate awareness on this and a dozen other facilities offered by BSNL were animately discussed at an 'open house session' held in the city on Thursday. A significant suggested which was conceded by the BSNL officials was one that sought the provision of a 'complaint book' at all exchanges. This book will have a provision for an 'action taken report', to make the system more consumer-friendly. The session organised for BSNL's customers from Tiswadi taluka was attended by civic and consumer Forums of Socorro, Nerul, Merces, Divar and Chorao. Noted consumer activist, Roland Martins of the Goa Civic and Consumer Action Network (GoaCAN) among others, also attended. Participants pointed out that the lack of information about the facilities available had repercussions such as consumers being of the impression that the '95 call' to Mumbai was a local call, resulting in high billing. Lack of awareness and adequate publicity about the facilities such as 95 call facility to Mumbai has resulted in consumers considering the call as a local one, when actually the rate is four times higher, was the concern voiced by Martins.The pulse rate difference for every 50 kilometres is also not known to many consumers, Martins pointed out. The session also brought out that information given to the public on redressal mechanisms such as the 198 complaint recording system and the call centre number 1500 was inadequate. As a result, a number of women and senior citizens were avoiding using this facility. Another suggestion put forth was that pamphlets be made available at all the exchanges explaining the use of these facilities.The authorities present, including Area Manager (Central) B Praveen Kumar agreed to the recommendation that a complaint book be maintained at the respective exchange to record complaints under various categories. This, it was opined, would do away with the need for consumers to complain to the linesmen and the exchange. The book would have a separate column for the Action Taken Report and comments of the junior telecom officer concerned, it was agreed.The authorities also agreed to the suggestion that officials such as the junior telecom officer and sub-divisional engineer meet the affected consumers at their respective exchanges on fixed days and timings. They also agreed to the suggestion made by the Nerul Civic and Consumer Forum that senior officers like the Area Manager, Accounts Officer and the Divisional Engineer visit the village and interact with the consumers so that local issues can get resolved. Both the Socorro and the Merces forums brought up the issue of high rentals, even though they were rural villages. To this, the Area Manager replied that the rentals would be looked into. Kumar also said that in the next year BSNL would be replacing the Divar exchange, which is already 10 years old. BSNL has already started phasing it out, he added. He made the remarks in response to a grievance voiced by a resident of Divar who claimed that the islanders were troubled with their calls getting disconnected. Many complaints were made about telephone bills being excessively large, despite the calls they make being few. To this, the BSNL authorities advised that the dynamic lock facility be made use of to prevent any unauthorised use of calls.It was also suggested that linesmen be transferred from time to time, as they could know who has got the ISD connection, and make use of it. A consumer from Porvorim suggested that the number of outlets where bills can be paid such as banks be increased, and that drop-boxes be introduced at post offices. Promoting awareness about these outlets through the efficient use of the media, was also suggested.Punctuality and efficiency of the staff has to be improved, if BSNL's rapport with consumers has to improve. If you go to any office, the staff is not there on time, or they send you to some one else, and the situation is not improving, claimed the Porvorim consumer. Other problems such as non maintenance of telephone wires pulled from the street poles to residences, many poles not having telephone wires connected to a D P box, and low Internet speed were also brought up at the session.In response to a query, Mr Kumar informed the representatives of five villages
[Goanet]India face uphill task against Oman
India face uphill task against Oman March 30, 2004 18:03 IST Fresh from an impressive victory over Singapore, India will be hoping to take the fight to highly rated Oman in the Asia Zone Group 3 World Cup qualifying league match at the Jawaharlal Nehru International stadium in Kochi on Wednesday. The Indians, playing in front of their home crowd will have to put in that extra effort if they want to contain their rivals, who had put up a brilliant performance in their earlier qualifying match against favourites Japan before going down by a solitary goal in the last 30 seconds of the game. The young Oman side, with an average age of 20, is miles ahead of India in the FIFA world rankings and had recently held strong Saudi Arabia to a one-all draw in a pre-Olympic qualifying match. The worrying factor for India is the absence of mid-fielders Samir Naik and Tomba Singh, who was named the AIFF 'player of the year' just weeks ago, due to injuries. However, first choice goalkeeper Sangram Mukherjee has recovered from a sprained neck and is available for selection. India coach Stephen Constantine said, Samir's absence is a big loss. But it gives opportunity for up and coming players to take advantage of the situation. India are banking on their key striker, captain Baichung Bhutia, and hoping the other forwards, young Ashim Biswas and Abhishek Yadav, provide him the necessary support. A strong mid-field, comprising Jo Paul Ancheri, S Venkatesh and Renedy Singh, the hero of the match against Singapore, is capable of creating some brilliant moves and controlling the speed of the game and the coach is hoping it will play to its potential. We are here to play a good and fair game. Both India and Oman are good teams and we can expect a good match tomorrow, Oman team manager Juma Khamis Al Kaabi told reporters after his team had their first practice session in Kochi. Indian Team: Baichung Bhutia (captain), Sangram Mukherjee, Prasanta Dora, Deepak Kumar Mondal, Suresh Muttath, Debjit Ghosh, Satish Kumar Bharti, Mahesh Gawli, Lukram James Singh, Jatin Singh Bisht, Potsangbam Renedy Singh, Krishna Nair Ajayan, Alvito Rolando Correia D'Cunha, Climax Lawrence, Jo Paul Ancheri, Ashim Biswas, Abhishek Yadav and Venkatesh Shanmugam. -- Opera - Simply the Best Internet Experience: http://www.opera.com ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Portuguese dominated East?
Another view of colonial history which those nostalgic about the past on Goanet would surely not agree with. Any other perspectives? I found this debate interesting. It came up on the what-if group on Usent (http://groups.google.com ) We from Goa seem to be often living in a what-if world. FN -- Forwarded message -- Search Result 52 From: Doug Muir ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Subject: Re: WI the Spanish and Portugese stayed in charge in the Far East? View: Complete Thread (9 articles) Original Format Newsgroups: alt.history.what-if, soc.history.what-if Date: 2003-07-29 09:38:17 PST Hairy Harry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: During 1500-1600 Spanish and Portuguese explorers dominated not only the America's but also the far east. Well, problem #1 is, no they didn't. Unless you're using a very strange definition of dominate. The Spanish got a toehold in Luzon and gradually expanded it, and used it as a base for trade with China. That was about it for the Spanish in Asia. The Portuguese, more complicated, but basically they set up a network of heavily armed trading posts and used them to extort protection money by land and sea. This worked pretty well in the Indian Ocean. East of Malaysia, though, they never managed to do much more than trade. The Portuguese empire was hugely influential and it had an enormous effect on both European and Asian history. However, it's really a mistake to say that it dominated much of Asia, never mind the Far East. They never made any significant conquests, and their resource base was always painfully limited. They had strong bases in India, Indonesia, China and Japan. And in Japan and China they had also successes with missionaring the natives. Later in that century they were replaced by Dutch and English explorers and entrepreneurs who wheren't particularly interested in converting the natives to Christianity. After a few decades most native christians were back to paganism or killed as happened in Japan. Not really. The Spanish were interested in conversion, and eventually succeeded in converting coastal Luzon and later the rest of the Philippines plus a few Pacific islands. But they didn't send many missionaries outside their immediate sphere of influence, so they were never going to convert anywhere else in Asia. The Portuguese showed some interest in converting the Japanese and had some success there for a while. Everywhere else, though, they were only modestly interested in conversion. They eventually established small convert populations in and around their trading posts -- Macao, Timor, Goa -- but none of these ever amounted to much. This had nothing to do with them being replaced by the Dutch or the English. The Portuguese never were replaced in those places, and they still didn't do much. In fact, the Portuguese stayed in places like Mozambique and Angola for 400 years without converting many natives. They just weren't as interested in conversion as the Spanish. They were traders more than conquerors, and conversion efforts could interfere with trade. Doug M. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Re: Goan Cultural Symbols
I am glad for Willie's thoughtful and rich supply of possible cultural symbols. But does a territory / people have to be independent nation in order to have cultural symbols? May be they could lead to that, if the uniqueness of cultural symbols is politically exploited! That seems to have happened with many countries / peoples whose cultural uniqueness led to their independent nationhood? I wonder what comes after what. Manohar Sardesai's poem Sobit amchem Gõy celebrates what I would consider Goa's environmental / cultural uniqueness. Goan konknni mhon'nneo could be a source of its cultural symbols. These are not Goan Catholic diaspora creations! Teotonio R. de Souza --- William da Silva wrote: What does Goa want to be its distinctive cultural heritage? As if it were an independent nation? There is lurking in some Diaspora nostalgia for Goa and its culture, a tendency to treat Goa as if it were 'an independent nation,' at least emotionally and notionally. This is generally nourished by Catholic Goans, many of whom have in Diaspora a fragmented use of Konkani language and literature. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Portugal: how to get studies accepted by major universities?
Caro José Falcão, It is an interesting question you raise. Unfortunately the research and university cooperation between India (Goa) and Portugal are far from explored. This is an essential domain in Lisbon-Goa relations, and only private institutions such as Fundacao Oriente or in a smaller scale the Indo-Portuguese Friendship Society have supported the exchange of students, young people etc. The Portuguese Government, through its cultural delegation of the Instituto Camoes has hardly contributed to this exchange of knowledge etc. Perhaps the area of Medicine is the one where Goa and Portugal are better integrated. I have met young Goans (under 30) here in Lisbon who are doctors here, and have got their studies in India recognized by the New University of Lisbon (www.unl.pt), Medicine Faculty. Last year there was another edition of a Medicine Congress in Goa, joining Indian and Portuguese specialists. In other fields, things are less developed. There may be some punctual cooperation between major Portuguese universities and Goa University, but as far as I know only the New University of Lisbon has a formal memorandum of understanding signed with GU. Perhaps also the other main public university, Universidade de Lisboa (www.ul.pt). Goa University has also been conducting a study on tourism and its sociological impact in collaboration with the Universidade de Aveiro, in Northern Portugal (www.ua.pt). I think Alito Sequeira from GU is working on this. In general, academic contacts and recognition of studies are still too dependent from personal contacts etc. The Centro de Historia Alem-Mar at the Faculty for Human and Social Sciences (http://cham.fcsh.unl.pt/) which is a research institute on the Portuguese expansion, has had some contacts with Goan researchers and professors, they also co-organize the Indo-Portuguese Seminar on History. Narana Coissoró, Portuguese MP of Goan origin, heads the Orient Institute at the Instituto Superios de Ciencias Sociais e Politicias (http://www.iscsp.utl.pt) and has also been punctually engaged in the strengthening of these relations. The former head of Political Science Department GU , Peter dSouza, has also good contacts with Portugal, especially in the areas of Sociology and Political Science. So, depending on the are youre interested, either get ready for a long adventure in the jungle of paperwork or just try to meet up with a big guy. Cumprimentos, Constantino Xavier PS: Portugal being a member of the EU and generally participating in all academic and research cooperation networks, once youre in Portugal, there is no major obstacle to mobility to their EU countries, provided you get a place Message: 1 From: Joseph Falcao [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 21:35:17 + Subject: [Goanet]Portugal: how to get studies accepted by major universities? Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear All: Wish that you are keeping well. Has anyone in the Goanet either registered/recognized their studies (BSc or Masters) in Portugal or know the steps to get it done? Also, is it worth in terms of acceptance through out the European Community? Your insights are appreciated. Obrigado. Abracos, Joe Falcao _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]A letter to Shri. S.K. Mishra, I.A.S. (Retd) - Chairman of INTACH. Re: IFFI
No.: 72 of 2004. 30th March 2004 To. Shri S. K. Mishra, I.A.S. (Retd.) Chairman, INTACH, 71, Lodhi Estate, New Delhi 110 003. Dear Sir, This is to congratulate you for being elected as Chairman of the INTACH. One of the immediate tasks you could possibly take up is to prevent the Government of Goa from destroying the age old ambience, old buildings and structures under the name of infrastructure built up for the proposed International Film Festival of India. The old structures which might be more than 150 years old not necessarily declared as heritage buildings have been already pulled down. More than century old trees are being razed to the ground in the name of development. Shekar Kapoor, a member of the IFFI Committee, who had come to Goa to select the venue for the IFFI, observed that the Campal area, having a Latin-quarters atmosphere, with broad avenues flanked by rain trees, with its quaint ambience was the most ideal venue for IFFI. The gung-ho Chief Minister of Goa (a member of the RSS), has plans to build four-lane highways, multiplexes, new bridges on the river, etc. in the name of building up infrastructure for the IFFI. The proposed infrastructure will surely destroy the heritage of Campal area the reason for which this area was chosen for the film festival. I do not know how effective INTACH can be to save rain trees, old roads, old buildings, old river fronts, etc. in Panjim. The local residents, under the flag of Peoples Movement for Civic Action are agitating against this reckless building spree of the Government. Can INTACH intervene with the Film Festival Directorate in Delhi and stop this mad adventuresome of the Goa Chief Minister ? Goa Government had hosted the Commonwealth Heads of Government meet (CHOGM) in 1983, practically utilising the existing infrastructure. Additions and alterations were done without affecting the existing ambience. Thanking you, Yours sincerely, SD/- A.P. Bhatikar I.A.S.(Retd.) Member of PMCA Chairman, Nitoll Jinn Trust (Clean Life Trust) C.C. To. Shri Ramesh Chandra, Member Secretary, INTACH ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]AIACHEA DISSAK CHINTOP (THOUGHT FOR TODAY)
Doeallponn zannvae poros chodd gorzechem ani oxem mandun ghevop, zannvaechi survat (Kindness is more important than wisdom, and the recognition of this is the beginning of wisdom) Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Grand opening to SAF Games
Grand opening to SAF Games March 30, 2004 00:12 IST The thrice-postponed South Asian Federation Games finally became a reality on Monday with President Pervez Musharraf turning out to be the surprise chief guest at a colourful opening ceremony at the Jinnah Stadium in Islamabad. Musharraf's arrival led to a mixture of pleasant surprise and confusion since the organisers had said the Games would be inaugurated by Prime Minister Mir Zafarullah Khan Jamali. The organisers later clarified that Jamali's name was used because of security reasons as the President has escaped three attacks on his life. The stringent security measures, which had anti-aircraft guns mounted on roof-tops and surveillance helicopters flying, should have been indication of what was in store. However, for the people who have been subject to military coups and wars with its neighbour, the sporting event has come as a pleasant distraction and the majestic Jinnah stadium overflowed its capacity with many stranded outside. Welcoming the athletes from seven SAARC member countries as well as Afghanistan, who have been extended a special invitation, was organising committee chairman Lt. Gen Saeed Arif Hasan. Three years ago we embarked on our journey to host the Games but the events that unfolded globally forced us to postpone the Games not once but thrice, Hasan said. We were determined to show the world that we are strong enough to foster friendship and brotherhood in hosting the Games as appropriately reflected in the Games' logo. We will together participate in the Games to win hearts and not just the medals, he said. The event, which will see over 2,500 athletes compete, began with the Pakistan national anthem by school children followed by a recitation from the Holy Quran by Qazi Zafar Qasmi. The teams, led by the mascot Bholu, the brown Himalayan bear, and Sassi, the Indus Dolphin. marched past the chief guests. Shooter Jaspal Rana led the 150-strong Indian contingent. Six outstanding athletes of Pakistan hoisted the SASF flag to thunderous applause. The torch was brought inside by Asian Games gold medal winning boxer Abdul Samad Mir while former World squash champion Jahangir Khan lit the flame. Then, the spectators were treated to cultural performances that included traditional Urdu songs as well as English pop songs which was followed by fireworks and an immaculately schemed laser beam animation display. Indian High Commissioner to Pakistan Shivshankar Menon and Indian Olympic Association Secretary-General Randhir Singh also attended the ceremony while IOA president Suresh Kalmadi could not make it as he was busy with electioneering. -- Opera - Simply the Best Internet Experience: http://www.opera.com ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]30 MAR 2004: GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS
GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS 30 March 2004 GOACOM VIDEO NEWSCAST at http://www.goacom.com/news clip EARTH FEST - Down to Earth Jazz Fest to be held in Panjim from 22 to 24th April to mark the World Earth Day. A fab festival of Music and Art organised by Think-Geek led by Ethel da Costa. Website: http://www.goacom.com Webzine GoaNOW: http://www.goacom.com/goanow Daily Clippings: http://www.goacom.com/news MEMO: EC BEGINS PROBE: The two-member committee set up by the Election Commission to conduct a probe into the controversial memo episode quizzed several government officials vis-à-vis the complaints of violation of the model code of conduct yesterday. While the ASI attached to the Special branch CID Centre, Mapusa, has been summoned to depose in the memo episode before the panel comprising Dr PC Kapoor and P Marapandiyan on March 30, the panel quizzed the government officials regarding the breach of code by the government. (GT) GOVT OKAYS ORDINANCE TO FORM IFFI PANEL: The Goa cabinet yesterday approved an ordinance that provides for a 13-member panel led by the State's Chief Secretary to issue statutory permissions for International Film Festival of India related development works under a single-window system. The committee, however, will not have powers to override provisions of the statues. What the ordinance in effect will do is cut the red-tape involved in the physical movement of files from one statutory authority to another, Chief Minister Manohar Parrikar told journalists. (H) DR WILLY IS ALLIANCE CANDIDATE: Nationalist Congress Party has announced the name of its Goa president Dr Wilfred de Souza as the alliance candidate for the North Goa seat in the ensuing Lok Sabha polls. Party sources said the lone NCP MLA has been chose for the Panaji parliamentary seat and that a formal announcement would be made today. (GT) AUDA IS UGDP'S CHOICE FOR SOUTH GOA: The United Goans Democratic Party in a surprise move has named Auda Viegas as their candidate for the Mormugao constituency for the forthcoming parliament elections. Radharao Gracias, vice president of the party addressing a press conference, disclosed that they have decided to field a lady candidate as women makeup for 60 per cent of the vote bank in the South Goa constituency. (GT) AND NOW EDUCATIONAL ESTATES IN GOA: With the government formally constituting the Goa Education Development Corporation on March 18, Goa could become the first State in the country to set up educational estates (like industrial estates), to promote the establishment and growth of educational institutions, services and facilities to develop competitive and value-based education in Goa.The sources informed that initially two sites have tentatively been chosen for establishing the educational estates-about 150 acres in Colvale and about 300 acres in Dhargal. (NT) FOREST CONTRACTOR ARRESTED, RELEASED: The Forest department has confirmed that the government-owned Goa State Infrastructure Development Corporation had no licence or permission to fell any tree at the old GMC Complex at Campal till today. In fact, three licences were issued only on March 29 evening-a day after felling of trees had to be abandoned due to public protests. (H) PLANS TO CONVERT SECRETARIAT INTO HISTORICAL GALLERY: The Chief Minister, Mr Manohar Parrikar, told pressmen, that he was of the opinion of changing the existing Secretariat heritage building into a gallery displaying pre-Portuguese history of Goa, after the administrative set up of the government is shifted to the new complex at Porvorim. The government is trying to shift the Secretariat to Porvorim by August 15, he said. (NT) COAL POLLUTION: Mormugao councilor Ms Felicity D'Souza has criticized KP Rao, chairman of Pollution Control Monitoring Committee, for declaring Vasco free from coal pollution. Extending her wholehearted support to the agitation against pollution, the MMC councilor stated that instead of minimizing, coal pollution has increased thereby adding to the woes of the Vascoites. (H) MAPUSA KTC BUS STAND AREA USED AS AN OPEN-AIR TOILET: Goa has laws in place to deal with all violations but the authorities seem to lack the will to implement them, for the reasons best known to them. A classic example of this is the Kadamba bus stand. The open area between the ticketing counter of shuttle service and the Sulabh toilet is being used by unconcerned people to ease themselves in the open and though there is law to act against these people no one seems to be bothered. (NT) CITY THEATRES SET FOR MAJOR OVERHAUL: The capital city's existing three cinema halls are headed for are incarnation of sorts ahead of this year-end scheduled International Film Festival of India. Panjim's first commercial cinema hall National Theatre, and the Harish Zantye-owned Ashok-Samrat twin cinema houses, according to Chief Minister Manohar Parrikar, will be converted into mini multiplexes. The National theatre structure
[Goanet-news]30 MAR 2004: GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS
GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS 30 March 2004 GOACOM VIDEO NEWSCAST at http://www.goacom.com/news clip EARTH FEST - Down to Earth Jazz Fest to be held in Panjim from 22 to 24th April to mark the World Earth Day. A fab festival of Music and Art organised by Think-Geek led by Ethel da Costa. Website: http://www.goacom.com Webzine GoaNOW: http://www.goacom.com/goanow Daily Clippings: http://www.goacom.com/news MEMO: EC BEGINS PROBE: The two-member committee set up by the Election Commission to conduct a probe into the controversial memo episode quizzed several government officials vis-à-vis the complaints of violation of the model code of conduct yesterday. While the ASI attached to the Special branch CID Centre, Mapusa, has been summoned to depose in the memo episode before the panel comprising Dr PC Kapoor and P Marapandiyan on March 30, the panel quizzed the government officials regarding the breach of code by the government. (GT) GOVT OKAYS ORDINANCE TO FORM IFFI PANEL: The Goa cabinet yesterday approved an ordinance that provides for a 13-member panel led by the State's Chief Secretary to issue statutory permissions for International Film Festival of India related development works under a single-window system. The committee, however, will not have powers to override provisions of the statues. What the ordinance in effect will do is cut the red-tape involved in the physical movement of files from one statutory authority to another, Chief Minister Manohar Parrikar told journalists. (H) DR WILLY IS ALLIANCE CANDIDATE: Nationalist Congress Party has announced the name of its Goa president Dr Wilfred de Souza as the alliance candidate for the North Goa seat in the ensuing Lok Sabha polls. Party sources said the lone NCP MLA has been chose for the Panaji parliamentary seat and that a formal announcement would be made today. (GT) AUDA IS UGDP'S CHOICE FOR SOUTH GOA: The United Goans Democratic Party in a surprise move has named Auda Viegas as their candidate for the Mormugao constituency for the forthcoming parliament elections. Radharao Gracias, vice president of the party addressing a press conference, disclosed that they have decided to field a lady candidate as women makeup for 60 per cent of the vote bank in the South Goa constituency. (GT) AND NOW EDUCATIONAL ESTATES IN GOA: With the government formally constituting the Goa Education Development Corporation on March 18, Goa could become the first State in the country to set up educational estates (like industrial estates), to promote the establishment and growth of educational institutions, services and facilities to develop competitive and value-based education in Goa.The sources informed that initially two sites have tentatively been chosen for establishing the educational estates-about 150 acres in Colvale and about 300 acres in Dhargal. (NT) FOREST CONTRACTOR ARRESTED, RELEASED: The Forest department has confirmed that the government-owned Goa State Infrastructure Development Corporation had no licence or permission to fell any tree at the old GMC Complex at Campal till today. In fact, three licences were issued only on March 29 evening-a day after felling of trees had to be abandoned due to public protests. (H) PLANS TO CONVERT SECRETARIAT INTO HISTORICAL GALLERY: The Chief Minister, Mr Manohar Parrikar, told pressmen, that he was of the opinion of changing the existing Secretariat heritage building into a gallery displaying pre-Portuguese history of Goa, after the administrative set up of the government is shifted to the new complex at Porvorim. The government is trying to shift the Secretariat to Porvorim by August 15, he said. (NT) COAL POLLUTION: Mormugao councilor Ms Felicity D'Souza has criticized KP Rao, chairman of Pollution Control Monitoring Committee, for declaring Vasco free from coal pollution. Extending her wholehearted support to the agitation against pollution, the MMC councilor stated that instead of minimizing, coal pollution has increased thereby adding to the woes of the Vascoites. (H) MAPUSA KTC BUS STAND AREA USED AS AN OPEN-AIR TOILET: Goa has laws in place to deal with all violations but the authorities seem to lack the will to implement them, for the reasons best known to them. A classic example of this is the Kadamba bus stand. The open area between the ticketing counter of shuttle service and the Sulabh toilet is being used by unconcerned people to ease themselves in the open and though there is law to act against these people no one seems to be bothered. (NT) CITY THEATRES SET FOR MAJOR OVERHAUL: The capital city's existing three cinema halls are headed for are incarnation of sorts ahead of this year-end scheduled International Film Festival of India. Panjim's first commercial cinema hall National Theatre, and the Harish Zantye-owned Ashok-Samrat twin cinema houses, according to Chief Minister Manohar Parrikar, will be converted into mini multiplexes. The National theatre structure
[Goanet]Re: Goan cultural symbols
I am thankful to Leão Fernandes for his input. What about tal'le, peddve, bangdde, kormott and kalchi koddi in fish-loving Goa? Teotonio R. de Souza ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Appreciation
Hello Fred, Good Day! Keep up the good work, I fully support your idea of Alternate Goa Directory, which I suppose will be digitally available to the folks via online. And can be updated day in and day out. This will not only benefit for us but to the whole of Goan folks around the globe. Son of Goa Luis Dias = = Mr.Luis Dias __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
