RE: [Goanet]Church over Temple
You are really brilliant we should send you to be a mediator in the ayodhya problem to mediate the case !!! -- Brian Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about a complete take over such as, the take over of Hagia Sophia (St. Sophia) in Istanbul which then served as a Mosque for several centuries, and is now ostensibly a museum:- Click on the site http://www.atistanbulhotels.com/istanbulguide/hagia_sophia.htm __ Introducing the New Netscape Internet Service. Only $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet]Who is the world's greatest footballer?
None other the the current David Beckham !!! -- Brian Eustaquio Santimano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: rediff Sports unknown To:Subject: Who is the world's greatest footballer? Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 10:40:01 GMT Readers select their favourite footballers. __ Introducing the New Netscape Internet Service. Only $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Researching Goa
What Kind of Research on Goa thread is this attempt to mirror Ayodhya controversy all over Goa and dig up churches and temples and mosques etc... in Goa ... Marlon you really are a Bleeding heart liberal clown with no sensitivity to political or communal ramifications ... you are sitting there perhaps like that Dinesh D'Sousa clown in that American Institute 'Merican Insitutute smoking weed and blowing smoke out of your ass for the most part of yout time ... -- Brian Marlon Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gilbert, It looks to me like you are changing the rules on us. Your original subject was Churches built on temples - not whether it was the christians or the muslims who destroyed the hindu temples. Based on your initial boundary conditions, it is very clear that many churches were built on top of temples. With regards to the specifics of the Divar church, you can view a photo of the remains of the hindu structure in the book Window on Goa by Maurice Hall. It is available at amazon.com With the money I have just saved you from your proposed research trip to Goa, I suggest you add one of those nice new color laser printers to your amazon shopping cart. My interest in the Divar church was not because of some miraculous religious enlightenment :-) but rather because I was surprised to see a picture of my aunt's grave in a photograph in his book. Marlon --- Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Lino, Thanks for the original posting and for the That's why one needs more than one source or else one gets a 'Babri Masjid'. From Yours Skeptical, Gilbert. __ Introducing the New Netscape Internet Service. Only $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet]Re: HOARDINGS
Bosco - Goanet Volunteer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 04:38:49 EST, George de Sa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recently visited Goa and it was an awful sight to see hoardings all over Goa. Some action has to be taken. Thank you for highlighting the awful situation. George de Sa London = It seems that these days there are ways for things to slip through the system in many ways !!! -- Brian __ Introducing the New Netscape Internet Service. Only $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet]Re: shacks on the beaches
Bosco - Goanet Volunteer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 11:26:36 +0100, Architekturburo Huber ZT GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you or the tourists really need all these shacks along the beaches? I am coming to Goa since 1958 (I have been staying in Goa for some years as a teenager), An I must say slowly I do not know were to go anymore without being enoyed by the noice and environment coming from these places. I really hope that the south of Goa will not become the same as the beaches from Calangut to Anjuna. This really is true that some of these beaches are too over populated with a bit too many shacks that there is hardly any beach space left but just shacks and shack all over the place that what is much needed is some shack control like mosquito control to prevent these from in the manner of speaking spreading around and overtaking the pristine beaches -- Brian __ Introducing the New Netscape Internet Service. Only $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]FYI -- Something about the healthy side
Antioxidants and Free radicals Antioxidants are intimately involved in the prevention of cellular damage -- the common pathway for cancer, aging, and a variety of diseases. The scientific community has begun to unveil some of the mysteries surrounding this topic, and the media has begun whetting our thirst for knowledge. Athletes have a keen interest because of health concerns and the prospect of enhanced performance and/or recovery from exercise. The purpose of this article is to serve as a beginners guide to what antioxidants are and to briefly review their role in exercise and general health. What follows is only the tip of the iceberg in this dynamic and interesting subject. It's the radicals, man Free radicals are atoms or groups of atoms with an odd (unpaired) number of electrons and can be formed when oxygen interacts with certain molecules. Once formed these highly reactive radicals can start a chain reaction, like dominoes. Their chief danger comes from the damage they can do when they react with important cellular components such as DNA, or the cell membrane. Cells may function poorly or die if this occurs. To prevent free radical damage the body has a defense system of antioxidants. Antioxidants are molecules which can safely interact with free radicals and terminate the chain reaction before vital molecules are damaged. Although there are several enzyme systems within the body that scavenge free radicals, the principle micronutrient (vitamin) antioxidants are vitamin E, beta-carotene, and vitamin C. Additionally, selenium, a trace metal that is required for proper function of one of the body's antioxidant enzyme systems, is sometimes included in this category. The body cannot manufacture these micronutrients so they must be supplied in the diet. Vitamin E : d-alpha tocopherol. A fat soluble vitamin present in nuts, seeds, vegetable and fish oils, whole grains (esp. wheat germ), fortified cereals, and apricots. Current recommended daily allowance (RDA) is 15 IU per day for men and 12 IU per day for women. Vitamin C : Ascorbic acid is a water soluble vitamin present in citrus fruits and juices, green peppers, cabbage, spinach, broccoli, kale, cantaloupe, kiwi, and strawberries. The RDA is 60 mg per day. Intake above 2000 mg may be associated with adverse side effects in some individuals. Beta-carotene is a precursor to vitamin A (retinol) and is present in liver, egg yolk, milk, butter, spinach, carrots, squash, broccoli, yams, tomato, cantaloupe, peaches, and grains. Because beta-carotene is converted to vitamin A by the body there is no set requirement. Instead the RDA is expressed as retinol equivalents (RE), to clarify the relationship. (NOTE: Vitamin A has no antioxidant properties and can be quite toxic when taken in excess.) Preventing cancer and heart disease -- do antioxidants help? Epidemiologic observations show lower cancer rates in people whose diets are rich in fruits and vegetables. This has lead to the theory that these diets contain substances, possibly antioxidants, which protect against the development of cancer. There is currently intense scientific investigation into this topic. Thus far, none of the large, well designed studies have shown that dietary supplementation with extra antioxidants reduces the risk of developing cancer. In fact one study demonstrated an increased risk of lung cancer in male smokers who took antioxidants vs. male smoker who did not supplement. Whether this effect was from the antioxidants is unknown but it does raise the issue that antioxidants may be harmful under certain conditions. Antioxidants are also thought to have a role in slowing the aging process and preventing heart disease and strokes, but the data is still inconclusive. Therefore from a public health perspective it is premature to make recommendations regarding antioxidant supplements and disease prevention. New data from ongoing studies will be available in the next few years and will shed more light on this constantly evolving area. Perhaps the best advice, which comes from several authorities in cancer prevention, is to eat 5 servings of fruit or vegetables per day. Exercise and oxidative damage Endurance exercise can increase oxygen utilization from 10 to 20 times over the resting state. This greatly increases the generation of free radicals, prompting concern about enhanced damage to muscles and other tissues. The question that arises is, how effectively can athletes defend against the increased free radicals resulting from exercise? Do athletes need to take extra antioxidants? Because it is not possible to directly measure free radicals in the body, scientists have approached this question by measuring the by-products that result from free radical reactions. If the generation of free radicals exceeds the antioxidant defenses then one would expect to see more of these by-products. These measurements have been
RE: [Goanet] Church overTemple (13)
Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RE: [Goanet] Church over Temple Gilbert Lawrence: But you also wrote very confidently and with certainity, that Goan men were raped en-mass by wine-drunk Bacchus and his many maidens when they invaded Goa from Greece. This was all pre-Alexander the Great. No such account exists of this account of your post/story. AND We thought that Goa's History was that it was a Portuguese Colony, Now from where do we get these Greek drunken homosexual rapists ? or are we projecting some vivid imaginations here ??? -- Brian __ Introducing the New Netscape Internet Service. Only $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet]Young Goans mix genders while partying in London
Wonder if there is any connection with knowledge of knonkani got to do with any thing about the young goan club, though, knowing konkani adds to ones linguistic repetoire ... -- Brian Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know who the promoters are, unfortunately they have very little if any knowledge of Konkani, worse than me! Cheers, Gabe Menezes. - Original Message - From: Cecil Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 1:36 PM Subject: [Goanet]Young Goans mix genders while partying in London I came across this website www.goanparty.com that describes itself as The only party website for young Goan clubbers around London __ Introducing the New Netscape Internet Service. Only $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet]LEST WE FORGET Rise in suicide cases in Goa
Just using this post as an excuse to make a general observation that there is a general tendency for too much of negaholism or postings of a negative nature ... though this post is of informative news... -- Brian __ Introducing the New Netscape Internet Service. Only $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet]Goan political activity in Goa
Mervyn Lobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as curruption in Goa is concerned, only the residents there can get rid of currupt politicians. It amazes me that every time I go to (and especially south) Goa, everyone shouts that the representatives are criminals. Yet these very same people get VOTED into office again and again. Maybe there is corruption in the election process, Know? -- Brian __ Introducing the New Netscape Internet Service. Only $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet]indian political activity in the US
Marlon Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looking forward, the real issue is whether the so called developed world can adapt to the challeges they will face with the rise of nations such as China and India. It does not seem that the developed world composed of some countries such as the US and Australia are NOT quite excited by the prospects of India and China emerging from developing to developed status... on the contrast their reactions to the prospects are quite on the Xenophobic end of the spectrum ... of course what they think does not alter the reality of the pace of developments. If the US has brought about protectionist measures on off-shoring of jobs... the many Indians who are wasting their energy complaining about it should simply boycott the US in this sector and do business with the rest of the wider-world! To quote the title of one of Richard Feynman's non-technical books, which is What Do You Care What Other People Think? Now ... Richard Feynman ... is a Hero that I deeply admire ... who perhaps is one of the most well-rounded and balanced individuals with a refreshing and original perspective on many an issue. --Brian __ Introducing the New Netscape Internet Service. Only $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet]Goa to develop as an R R base for US warships ?
Goa Desc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The ship's commanding officer, Captain Thomas Crowley told reporters that the Goa stopover is just for recreation and that no naval exercises are planned with the Indian navy. One has to be wary of this precedent ... as the US military stops for RR in many other places across the world, usually have left trails of drunken brawls, sexual assaults etc... and many of them have been getting away with it in the manner of an arrogant-buffon proclaiming I'm an Aamerican ... well so what ? Besides, the US in its military and foreign policy is so much in bed with Pakistan ... why not they stop over in Pakistan for RR with their lover country which they are so much deeply in love with. In the current US budget, from George W. Bush, he has alloted USD 300 mil to Pakistan for development progroms ... and just USD 15 mil to India ! When you consider the size and population ratio of India::Pakistan, one would expect a reverse allotment in the budget... that of course assuming that the US had a certain neutrality in its foreign policy, which obviously is not. So with this skewed US foreign policy, such RR stops in India by the US military have to be put under the scan of a microscope to uncover hidden agendas. -- Brian __ Introducing the New Netscape Internet Service. Only $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet]GOAN PRESS goes ga ga over CM in the making
Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian Antao wrote:- Firstly ... there is the issue of the political independence of the press ... and one wonders if the press touting an individual to be the next CM of Goa is a form of media manipulation, particularly that this comes at the time when the code of conduct is enforced. RESPONSE: I see nothing wrong in the Newspapers espousing the virtues of any particular candidate. Perhaps, they have had enough of C.M. Parrikar. Here in the U.K. we have our Newspapers supporting either the Labour Party (Mirror, Guardian and sometimes Sun) or the Conservatives (Mail, Telegraph and sometimes the Sun). All is fair in love and war. You may be right about newspapers espousing about any particular candidate under ordinary circumstances. BUT India at the present time which is in the process of undergoing elections for the Lok Sabha, there is an Electoral Code of Conduct that comes into effect untill the elections are over... so we are talking about this special situation with the Indian constitution and the Code of Conduct that comes into effect during elections. Then again this touting of this candidate as the next CM could perhaps also be seen as an attempted coup at taking up the CM's position. Though one must say the the current CM, Mr. Parrikar has been the more Effective CM Goa has had in quite a while. And contrary to what was expressed in the view that he be moved up to the Rajya Sabha, His Intellect and capabilities are more needed right here in Goa, and it is these political vested interests that are looking at creating a hype and hyperbole at touting the next candidate for CM... when this candidate touted for being the next CM's, track record of being effective with the ministrial portfolio he has been entrusted with is not much to talk about and he is already eyeing the CM's chair ! Looks like the current chair he is holding, he has warmed it enough and has gotten too hot to handle, nad he thinks that the CM's chair is a bigger one that he can sit in and warm it for a longer time without it getting too hot to handle ??? In addition the current CM Mr. Parrikar's tough stand on dealing with corruption, has made him unpopular with the thriving corrupt eco-system in Goa, who are perhaphs looking for a more kinder and gentler CM who would be more hand-in-arms with their enterprise! -- Brian __ Introducing the New Netscape Internet Service. Only $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Goa's Airport Situation
Eddie Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Goa's Airport Situation by Brian Antao Goa's only airport situated in Dabolim has drawn quite a bit of debate, as the Indian Navy owns it. Apparently the Navy now wants full control of the airport leaving Goa with no airport for civilian transportation. --- Brian, Interesting reading but what do you mean by: Apparently the Navy now wants full control of the airport leaving Goa? I thought that they were in full control of the airport and have been so since 1961. Do you mean that they want it exclusively for their use? If so what is the basis of your claim? I thought the Navy had gradually been allowing greater civilian use. = It is aparantly because of this claim, that the Indian Navy has intimated to the Goa government that it wants the Dabolim airport exclusively for Navy use, that the Goa Government embarked on the plan to construct a new civilian airport in Mopa... I don't have exact references to this but perhaps Fred N. would be able to dig something up from the news archives. 9 July 2002: Times of India. The Centre has approved a Rs 150 crore expansion plan for Dabolim airport. The Civil Aviation Ministry has approved an ambitious project for the expansion of the Dabolim airport with a new terminal building would commence next month, The Centre approved this Rs. 150 crore expansion plan dated 9 July 2002, we are now in 2004, by now this expansion work should have been COMPLETED !!! quite on the contrary it has not even begun !!! 3 May 2003. Navhind Times, A new terminal, to facilitate arrivals of chartered flights is to be constructed at Dabolim airport at the cost of Rs.60 crore. === Another pipe-dream which is yet to be materialized. 1 Mar. 2004. Herald. A positive signal seems to be emerging with the setting up of the inter-ministerial committee of the Ministry of Civil Aviation and the Ministry of Defence functionaries, with regard to the acquisition of additional land for the proposed expansion of the Dabolim International Airport. === Well the problem that maybe standing in the way of all these promised expansion projects at the Dabolim airport is due to the fact that it is controlled by the Indian Navy, which might me coming in the way of making these civillian expansions to the airport. In addition to this airport this same group of ministers, has approved the privatization of Goa's airport along with a few others in the country... a report about this appeared in the National Press. These were apparantly the small-scale airports; While this Group of Ministers is still working on the mega new privatized new international airports at Mumbai and New Delhi. On that front the latest developments have reached as far as appointing ABN-AMRO as the main consultants. Also for the last three years we have been receiving reports that the airport is able to operate at nights. But no flight is allowed to land at night! This has been a major contentuous issue with the different airline operators to Goa, who have been forced to operate flights to Goa only in fixed time slots, as during the other times the airport is reserved for Indian Navy use. There was an article in the O'Herald written by an Indian Navy officer citing statistics on the usage of the Dabolim airport, by the civilian service and the Indian Navy. -- Brian __ Introducing the New Netscape Internet Service. Only $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet]Goa's Airport Situation
Santana Afonso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my last write-up, I have exposed the promises of the Central Government for allocating the Rs. 150 crore for infrastructural and modifying our Dabolim International Airport. Till so far nothing is done but only promises. === This seems to be the growing trend these days with the politicians who seem to have resorted to this new ploy of making Empty promises and hoping to keep the public happy ... like they say you can fool some of the people for some of the time BUT not all of the people for all the time. The central aviation ministry in addition has also listed Goa's Dabolim airport as one of the domestic airports in the country to be privatised. Now when this tussle is still going on between the Indian Navy controlling the Dabolim Airport, how would the privatization of the airport be undertaken ? Or maybe its was the Civil Aviation Minister talking after his fun-filled trip to Goa, the in-famous stay at Taj Exotica, whose hotel bills were published in the Indian Express and included purchase of huge amounts of liquor ... maybe it was all the liquor he bought during that stay in Goa that was doing the talking :-) There has also been a huge publicity binge that was launched about a large sum of grants approved by the central government for developing the electricity infrastructure, making a transition to under-ground cabling. The initial approval was for Margao and Panjim, and apparantly when the Union Power minister was in Goa, he approved a similar transition for the other three major towns of Vasco, Mapusa and Phonda. We are yet to see any work commence on this all-ready approved project as well. One wonders what happens to all these so called approved projects; are they for real or just political rhetoric and gimmicks ? -- Brian __ Introducing the New Netscape Internet Service. Only $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet]Hippie paradise taken over by UK traffickers: The Observer 7 Mar.
Eddie Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Headline: Hippie paradise taken over by UK traffickers. By-line: Goa's innocent, fun-loving reputation has been blown away by a spate of drugs deaths. By: Jason Burke. First came hippies, drawn by peace and cannabis. Then came the ravers, with their dance drugs, full-moon parties and henna tattoos. Now the darkest side of drugs has come to the golden sands, beach-front bars and cheap hotels of Goa - thanks to a massive new trade in illegal pharmaceuticals run by British traffickers. I ran across an American Guy at the Saturday-night market/party in the Baga-Calangute area. This guy was trying to set up a Web-Site to sell the cheaply and easily available pharmaceuticals in Goa/India to across the world to whoever would place an order through his web site. At that time he claimed to have put together a team to build his web-site and was looking for pharmacists who would be able to obtain the pharmaceuticals and handle the order processing/shipping etc. I am not sure this is quite legal in the first place, as the sale of pharmaceuticals is restricted across country-boundaries. Indian made pharmaceuticals are limited for sale in India, and need rigid export licenses to ship to other countries. So seting up a global web-site and making cheap Indian pharmaceuticals to anyone across the world to order them has a number of WTO based pharma-trade law issues to be considered. Now that's typical of the American mind-set to conquer the entire market with one big-swoop !!! -- Brian __ Introducing the New Netscape Internet Service. Only $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Goa's Airport Situation
Goa's Airport Situation by Brian Antao Goa's only airport situated in Dabolim has drawn quite a bit of debate, as the Indian Navy owns it. Apparently the Navy now wants full control of the airport leaving Goa with no airport for civilian transportation. We thought India was a full-fledged democracy, and one does not expect the Indian armed forces to usurp much needed civilian facilities for its military use. What are we to expect next? A Military coup a.k.a Pakistan with one of India's top military generals positioning himself as the new president of the country. Goa is a thriving tourist, cultural and now a business hub. It is crucial for Goa to have a centrally located airport of international standards. And the current Dabolim airport is perhaps situated at the most optimal location in Goa, making it most accessible to Goans from all over the state. In addition there is a lot of surrounding land at the Dabolim airport that can be easily acquired to build on the core infrastructure and develop the airport into a full-fledged civilian international airport. The alternate plans that the Goa government has been mulling on building a new airport at Mopa, is not the best strategic solution. Firstly Mopa is situated at northern tip of the state, which will inconvenience majority of Goans in terms of accessibility. Besides this new airport in Mopa, which began on paper quite a few years ago, is still a pipe dream, and would involve a lot of expenditure from the state government exchequer. Goa has been selected as the permanent venue for the IFFI, but the central government has not really allocated much of a budget to the Goa government for developing infrastructure for hosting the IFFI, (except for the convention center) and most of the expenditure is coming from the state government. The CM needs to ask the Central government to at the very least cost-share in the expenses involved in building the permanent infrastructure for IFFI. In terms of the Goa airport situation, apparently the Goa government has acquired land at Mopa for building a new airport. Perhaps the best win-win situation would be for the Goa government to give the land acquired at Mopa to the Indian Navy and in exchange the Goa Government gets full control of the Dabolim airport and it is developed into a complete commercial airport. Whatever funds are earmarked for building a new airport at Mopa, can be better utilized at building a bigger international airport at Dabolim, as the core infrastructure already exists. Another incentive for the Navy to move its base to Mopa is that, the Dabolim location has already been in the public eye. At Mopa, the Indian Navy can build an ultra-modern facility that is secure and a top-secret one! __ Introducing the New Netscape Internet Service. Only $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]From the Asian Age: On the lighter side
From the Asian Age, March 6, 2004: Where America clashes with Britain - By Michael Johnson London: For an American, London can be deceptive. At first it seems similar to New York. But Americans are not the same as the British -- and we dont want to be. We must pretend, however, or risk being labelled American, with all that implies. I keep a running list of our cultural-clash zones. Visitors coming over this spring might like to keep some of them in mind. Danger areas include: The war: Dont mention Iraq. Yes, they participated, but they arent proud of it. British politics: Dont say nice things about the Labour Party. Prime Minister Tony Blair is in perpetual trouble. Dont favour the Conservative Party, either. Its leader, Michael Howard, is in even deeper yoghurt. The Queen is safe, for the moment. Business talk at the club: Most gentlemens clubs still prohibit business talk at lunch. If you pull out papers for discussion, you will be stopped by a waiter and told, Its not done here, after which you will feel an inch tall and lose your appetite. Boundaries of conversations: Since this will take a lifetime to figure out, let them lead the way. In a lull, the weather is always a good way forward. Worlds greatest country: Its not a contest. Drop it. Shouting: Leave your oversized larynx at home. British wives do not shout Hey, Morty, come here! across a hotel lobby. False bonhomie: Americans like their relationships a mile wide and an inch deep. The Brits are the opposite. After 20 years here, Im beginning to think theyre on to something. First names of strangers: Dont use a persons first name until something personal has happened between you and him or her. This will probably be never. Excessive dental care: Snaggle-toothed Brits are par for the course. They think Americans have an unhealthy obsession with straight teeth. Now Americans are even getting their teeth whitened before job interviews, and they find this insane. Painful handshakes: About 50 years ago some American wrote a business book claiming that a firm handshake represents decisiveness. Each succeeding generation has tightened the grip a bit. This is fine if both parties are playing, otherwise there will be pain. In Britain, the wet fish is considered more polite. Penetrating eye contact: That same book said steady eye contact means youre really interested and sincere. Not true. It means someone told you about the book. To the Brits, staring is indecent. Look away. Too much money: The sordid subject of coin (probably a quote from Samuel Johnson) is generally taboo. Money does not translate into status here, family does. Dont mention your income or the value of your house. You probably shouldnt mention your family, either. Casual manners: Too much casual behaviour equates to boorishness. Watch them and do what they do. The American slouch: Standing, sitting or walking, pretend you have swallowed an umbrella. Shoes: Black leather only, no browns, no buckles, no cowboy boots. Sneakers are for children. Fitness: To the great mass of Brits, fitness is an unknown concept. In the acres of beautiful parks in central London, you may see as many as four joggers. Three are likely to be Americans. How can you tell the difference? The Americans even jog in place at traffic lights. Loud clothes: Men prefer dark colours. Dont bring your plaid trousers, your pink sports coat or your Donald Duck tie. Meaning of words: In Britain, pants are underpants. Underpants are knickers. To be on the job means to fornicate. Never say what one American manager said to his English staff, boasting that he joined his company the same year Elizabeth was crowned Queen: The Queen and I have been on the job together for 50 years. When the raucous laughter died down about 20 minutes later, he said to me, I thought it was funny, but not that funny. Dress up, not down: At any decent restaurant, wear a jacket. One American colleague was admitted to Simpsons on the Strand despite wearing a company-branded polo shirt and charcoal windbreaker. When he tried to take the jacket off at his table, the waiter was there in a trice. Thats not done here, he said. My colleague felt an inch tall and lost his appetite. (Comparisons made by a merry-can living in England!) __ Introducing the New Netscape Internet Service. Only $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on
RE: [Goanet]Re: indian political activity in the US
On Thu, 4 Mar 2004 10:08:29 + (GMT), CORNEL DACOSTA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In many respects, many do not think that Goa is any better either. If they did, they would be returning in droves, minimally to make room for those dying to get out to the West! Cornel === One has to travel the world over to acquire the wisdom of the many ways of the world ! -- Brian __ Introducing the New Netscape Internet Service. Only $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet]Nelly Furtado dreams of going to Goa: The Independent (UK)
Eddie Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Answer: Going to the rainforest in Brazil. My partner and I also dream of going to Goa - the combination of the Portugese and the Indian fascinates me. My daughter is also a quarter Indian and Portugese, so Goa's the place for her. Full text at: http://travel.independent.co.uk/news_and_advice/story.jsp?story=498282 Nelly Furtado's affinity to Indian music and Indian musical instruments is well known. But is the identity of her partner known? Is he half-Indian? Cheers Eddie Fernandes From What I hear Nelly furtado is Portuguese-Canadian ... her partner may be a similar hybrid with some Goan/Indian mix ??? Well Well we are seing an interesting trend of Indians courting celebrities the world over don't we ... probably a refreshing change from all the Bollywood in-breeding :-) -- Brian __ Introducing the New Netscape Internet Service. Only $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Is IFFI in Goa on the right track?
Is IFFI in Goa on the right track? by Brian Antao, Ph.D. Date: March 6, 2004 We still hear a voice of discontent here and there if Goa being the permanent venue for IFFI the right choice? Well it is a little too late to raise that question, as things are developed to a point where there is no turning back. These voices of discontent were really sleeping way back when the decision was being contemplated, and should have voiced their concerns then. Now that Goa has been finalized as the permanent venue for the IFFI, and preparations are underway, its time for Goans to unite on this front and recognize that it is a boon for Goa. A Goose that will lay golden eggs, one has to properly nurture the goose till it is ready to lay the golden eggs, and don't expect the golden eggs to flow without proper feeding and taking care of the goose! All the discontent will only result in the goose flying away from the hands of Goa. Just recently a committee of visitors from the Central Government was here to review the preparations for the interim hosting of IFFI-2004, and apparently were not too satisfied with the way things are progressing. As a general observation, Goa's Chief Minister Mr. Manohar Parrikar has been good at setting deadlines for completion of projects. But he seems to have a major shortcoming when it comes to the implementation of the projects expediently. In addition to setting the deadlines, he seems to be unable to get his underlings and government machinery to execute in a timely manner to achieve these deadlines. This is a much critical aspect that the CM needs to work on as far as IFFI is concerned, where he has promised to complete all preparations in time for hosting IFFI-2004, he really needs to change his strategy in terms of what his traditional modus- operandi has been to ensure that things get really completed in time for hosting IFFI-2004 in Goa, and hopefully apply this new modus- operandi to other development projects in Goa as well. Many of the opponents of the IFFI in Goa have been basing their arguments that Goa does not have much of a Film production activity in-state. Even though Goa is a favorite location for shooting for many a Bollywood production. In this regard it would be useful to make the comparison to Cannes. Cannes is host to one of the world's premier film festivals and does not have any major Film production activity. In terms of development of the IFFI permanent venue in Goa, Cannes is really the appropriate role model to start with. Though, it would be best for Goa to establish its own unique identity and setting in terms of being a permanent IFFI venue and not be a Cannes copy-cat. There are many positive benefits that Goans at large stand to gain from this development. Firstly the city of Panjim is getting a major face-lift, something that would never have happened if Goa would not have been chosen as the permanent IFFI venue. Take a look at Margao, there has been much talk coming and going on developing and beautifying the city, but it all seems to be political rhetoric, with nothing being done. At least the city of Panjim has been spared from such rhetoric and is fortunate to get a major face-lift on account of the IFFI, or one should say that Panjim is forced to get a transformation because of the IFFI! Let's hope the CM will be able to deliver on his promise to transform Panjim, his home electoral constituency into a modern metropolis with a European look and feel. Wonder when the elected representative from Margao, whose home electoral constituency it is; would work towards developing the commercial capital of Goa, towards a modern metropolis with the look and feel of an European commercial hub to complement the developments in Panjim. It seems that the Margao elected representatives, end up taking residence once elected in Panjim and assume Panjim to be their new home, and completely forget about working towards developing the home electoral constituency. In terms of a lack of proper film infrastructure or film culture, much blame has to be placed on a certain monopoly that owns and operates the bug-infested theatre chain in Goa, in the manner of a sleazy underworld business. Thanks to the IFFI, one hopes to see an improvement in this aspect, as a number of incentives have been offered; as developing an infrastructure for the IFFI includes putting into place modern multiplexes. Let us hope that this development provides enough of an incentive to a new generation of entrepreneurs to enter the Goa movie-theatre business and develop modern multiplex theatre complexes across the state, with state-of-the-art facilities and break the dreaded old monopoly operating the bug- infested chain of theatres! This monopoly is also responsible for bringing in a poor selection of movie releases that are not much of a motivation for many a
RE: [Goanet]Re: indian political activity in the US
Bosco D'Mello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here are some not so rosy facts -- The USA has the largest number of Convicted Criminals in the world ! RESPONSE: If the Indian courts could clear all their backlog cases, we may overtake those lousy Merry-kans !! After all those thieving, corrupt, oggling at women, bharatis. :-) === Consider this fact that the total overall population of America is just about 1/4 the size of India, so imagine the density ratio of the convict in the US ! RESPONSE: Have you only noticed the American bleeding-hearts ?? Are Americans the largest or close to largest visitors to India ?? I hope you are not referring to Desi-Americans...like Marlon . ;-) === Seems like Marlon tops the list :-) :-) RESPONSE: You sound like you have seen a lot of Merry-car.besides getting the fancy academic programs while you were there. === Yeah quite a bit of the REAL America much more than what many the merry-cans themselves have you might have say. Though I have not been to Disney-world or 6-Flags !!! You're spouting so much anti-Merry-can lately that you may displace some of those infamous names on the terrorist list;-) unless you're running for office in Goa on an anti-Merry-can agenda !! === Well you should see all the India bashing that has been going on in many a forum from these very same merry-cans getting xenophobic about the off-shoring of jobs... All these merry-cans would easily make it to an Indian terrorist watch list... In this regard Brazil has the right attitude to deal with many of the mad-merry-can policy ... when the merry-cans introduced the finger-printing and photographing of people entering the country, Brazil is the only country that turned around and introduced the same policy for all merry-cans. Its time other countries the world over take a page from the Brazillian book and give these merry-cans a taste of their own mad medicine !! For me, Merry-ca is as the merry-cans would say: Been There Done That ... its off to many of the more greener pastures the wider world around us has to offer !!! Which also includes, GOA which by the way for may parts is a much greener pasture :-) Cheers ! -- Brian __ Introducing the New Netscape Internet Service. Only $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]From Asian Age: About education in the US
From Asian Age, March 4, 2004 American pie in the sky - By Walter Ellis New York: As British universities lurch from funding crisis to funding crisis, the jealous eyes of the academic establishment focus obsessively on the United States as the role model for future success. The assumption is that if UK universities charged realistic fees, they would recreate themselves as world class -- or, at any rate, superior -- institutions, like those in America. But what is the truth about American universities? Are they really so much better than those in Britain? Are US students in general better educated? Does the US profit from the enormous sacrifice made each year by parents and students? Some -- perhaps 20 or 30 -- American universities are better than all but a tiny handful of their British equivalents. A few, such as Harvard, Princeton, Yale and Stanford, but also MIT, Chicago and Berkeley, make up the global crme de la crme of academia. Most US universities, however, are very ordinary places. The average US college degree is a lowly thing, requiring the standard once achieved by most Brits by the end of their first year. It is only at the post-graduate level that American excellence truly kicks in. This is also where the big bucks go. Much of the cash lavished on colleges is spent on comfy rooms, Internet access and insanely competitive basketball and football teams. The high spending allows tenured professors to have a second car, a lakeside summer home and no-quibble health insurance. In no serious sense is it spent on education. That is why, as you drive past a typical US college, it will announce not that it is number 34, or whatever, in the national league of academic excellence, but that its womens basketball team took top honours in 1988 or 1992. Some American professors (and everybody is a professor) are superb; most are not. Celebrity teachers, who are traded like baseball players, are the exception to the rule. They may make the headlines; they do not set the standards. Ditto Nobel Prize winners. It sounds impressive that most of the glittering prizes each year go to academics in American institutions, but many of the recipients are foreign-born and foreign-educated, and have little or no contact with undergraduates. Students, meanwhile, unlike their high-school counterparts in Garrison Keillors Lake Wobegon, are not all above average. Far from it. US graduates are often ill-educated know-nothings, for whom their four years (yes, four) at college are mainly devoted to having a good time and making connections. Think American Pie here. Maybe one in ten is truly gifted, and these are the ones who are force-fed through grad schools, so that they can go on to run the country. America is huge. The population will soon reach 300 million -- larger than the combined populations of Germany, France, Italy and Britain. It would be surprising if this fact did not translate into a preponderance of achievement, including top graduates and Nobel Prize winners. If the comparison were to be between the US on the one hand and Europes Big Four on the other, plus, say, the Netherlands and Denmark, how would things look? Very different is the answer. No one disputes that the best universities in America are first-rate. But the best of Europe is not that far behind, and Europes standard in general is higher. Take a hundred American undergraduates at random and put them up against a core sample from Britain, France and Germany, and then say that the Americans are brighter and more accomplished. As they say in California: Hello! What is true is that the better American universities have more money available to develop products for government and industry. This is almost entirely the result of highly efficient corporate and alumni donations. More is spent on science facilities and information technology than is the case in Europe, and this has traditionally fed through to the US economy. But Americas open-door education is not nearly so open as the myth suggests. Many high-school graduates with real potential dont make it through the system for the simple reason that they cant afford it and come from the wrong background. Good intentions do not compensate for a lack of accumulated wealth and experience and, in spite of a generation of positive discrimination, blacks and Hispanics remain seriously under-represented. Foreign students, preponderantly Asian, take their places, usually studying science or mathematics, while white middle-class US applicants concentrate on law, media studies and business. America, contrary to the myth, is a self-perpetuating elitist society, in which the favoured few are handsomely rewarded and the rest are left to fend for themselves. Those at the top, including politicians, scientists and leading journalists, but mainly business executives and lawyers, have a fine old time. But
RE: [Goanet]Relevance of IFFI - Goans need to ask the questions now
Goa Desc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Documented by Goa Desc Resource Centre Ph:2252660 Website: www.goadesc.org Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Press Clippings on the web: http://www.goadesc.org/mem/ -- Relevance of IFFI We need to ask about the relevance of the IFFI to Goans and if so, where it could be fitted in the overall scheme of Panaji and Goa's developmental plans. Primarily local entertainment in state is through music and tiatr, and practically no production base of feature films exists which makes the proposal to permanently locate the IFFI in Goa very much suspicious. I have been a strong advocate for Goa being the permanent venue for IFFI and the best arguments to support Goa being the permanent venue for IFFI, can best be described by making a comparison to Cannes ! All these issues, about lack of a film making industry etc. are really irrelevant, when you consider that Cannes which is one of the premier film festivals in the world, does not. have any film making industry either ! The many greater benefits that the IFFI has brought to Goa are: 1. You see that the city of Panjim getting a complete face-lift, something that would never have been done if not for the IFFI ! 2. Goa has been selected and awarded a large budget by the central government to build a world-class convention center in India, again this decision has come about from the fact that Goa is the permanent IFFI venue... a great opportunity for Goa to have a world-class amenity... that would make Goa a center for heightened business activity etc. 3. In terms of the film-culture of Goa, one sees the reverse effect, which is that the IFFI in Goa, will boost the film culture in Goa, raise the quality of the present bug-invested movie-theatre chain monopolized by the Zantyes with little regard to improve quality both of the theatres and realeases screened in Goa. If at-all there is a lack of a film culture in Goa it is this monopoly to be blamed. -- Brian __ New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet]Re: ] Ogling at women
Miguel Braganza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has nobody seen the 'Navel' beauties in sarees outside a Navy Ball? Do Wendel and Savio Jon sell their creations exclusively to Goans? Which girls dance with Remo? Is Aiswarya Rai an expat Goan or did her ancestors flee inquisition? How about Sushmita Sen? Lara Dutta? Viva Goa. Miguel The answer to that might be -- that it is all part of the hidden Hinduvta agenda ... how many Indians of the so called minority groups have been able to make it to the top of these beauty paegants ... even though beauty in a women is not dependent on her race or religion ! Just as beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so also is the beholder blinded by a veil of prejudice unable to see the real beauties ! -- Brian __ New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet]Let Goa also be shinning, presently it is smelling.
The Goa Chief Minister has formed a Corporation called something like Goa Sewage corporation which seems to be leading a clandestine existance so far since its inception, What has this Goa Sewage corporation accomplished since its formation ? What are its purpose and objectives ? A similar question needs to be asked of the so called IT advisor to the Goa Government to list the tangible contributions this chap has made since assuming office, but insteads also is living a clandestine existance drawing on a fat check and perks. -- Brian Goa Desc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Documented by Goa Desc Resource Centre Ph:2252660 Website: www.goadesc.org Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Press Clippings on the web: http://www.goadesc.org/mem/ -- - Garbage Disposal Plants - The collection and disposal of garbage in Goa is proving to be a tough nut to crack. The question on the public mind now is; whether or not the government is serious about the whole affair? __ New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet]indian political activity in the US
Marlon Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- I really dont think you can compare the absence of Indian political leaders in the US to the situation in the UK. The Indian population as a percentage of the total is far smaller in the US than the UK and their physical presence in the US has been much shorter for obvious reasons. Specifically, the south asian population is around 0.5% of the US population while it is about 2.5% in the UK. Furthermore, the south asian population is very ghettoized in the UK thus increasing their chances for political representation. In that respect... the Hispanics have grown to be the largest minority group in the US... how many Hispanic Senators are there ? Your arguments however make you seem to be part of the C.I.A. propaganda/disinformation machine (kidding), maybe you could make this American propaganda on some America-net for the American zealots to wallow in their mire. You might be better served to re-channel you zealousness to make the Goan propaganda, instead of trying to marginalize Goa, while make this American propaganda. Here are some not so rosy facts -- The USA has the largest number of Convicted Criminals in the world ! In terms of Standards of living ranking of nations, the USA ranks somewhere as low as 15th -- there are FOURTEEN other countries in the world that offer you a better standard of living in the world ! With Norway being ranked at the Number ONE spot as providing the best standard of living. Incidently my cousin has recently moved to Norway and can attest to that. Here's an interesting article -- United Nations: Nordic Countries Best Place to Live in the World The Nordic countries have the best standard of living in the world, as per the Human Development Report published by the United Nations Best Standard of Living in the World The Nordic countries are overall the best countries to live in the world, according to the Human Development Report which is published annually by the United Nations. Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland and Iceland figure among the top countries on the UN index because of their high levels of education, democracy, income and public health. The Human Development Report (HDR) is an annual independent study commissioned by the United Nations Development Programme and published into more than a dozen languages. The HDR measures the wealth of nations by the standard of living of their population and considers several indexes related to life expectancy, education, economy and environment. Economists, philosophers and political leaders have long emphasised human wellbeing as the sole purpose of economic development. A successful community is not that which has one wealthy member and nine living in poverty, but that one where all members of the community have succeeded in achieving a high standard of living. The HDR measures whether the national income of a nation is creating an environment for its people to enjoy a life with good health services, political freedoms, security against crime, greater access to education and a satisfying leisure time. Norway tops the index for third consecutive year The Nordic countries have always performed very well in the United Nations' HDR, all figuring within the top 15 countries on the index. Among the Scandinavians, Norway has become the best performing Nordic country in the report after ranking number one in 2001, 2002 and 2003, heading the Development index for the third consecutive year. In Norway, 99 percent of the population can read and write, there are 413 doctors per 100,000 citizens, the average life expectancy is 78.4 years, and the Norwegians are even wealthier than ever before. The famous Nordic social welfare state remains efficient and provides the Norwegians with a first class health, education and benefits system, which is financed through their taxes. Norway has also topped the lists for being among the most generous countries in the world in terms of foreign aid donations on a per capita basis, and for their green environmentally friendly policies. However the Norwegian society is the most developed in the world, the average Norwegian is still known to complain nonetheless. The current discussion topics in Norway range among the waiting lists for medical care, the shortage of nursing homes and the cuts in police and school budgets. Quality of Life, Income, Education and Life Expectancy If we would only focus on per capita income statistics, we would perhaps be surprised to hear that the inhabitants of the small central European nation of Luxembourg are the wealthiest in the world, with an average salary of $53,780. The average salary in Norway is $45,000 but the Nordic countries are above all known for being an egalitarian society; of the seventeen richest countries in the world, Sweden ranks first as having the fewest people living in poverty and the fewest illiterate people, while other rich countries such us the
RE: [Goanet]RE: Ogling at women
Well, one thought that Bollywood provided enough avenues for Ogling what with every Bollywood flick with its mandatory song-and-dance interjections showing enough flesh around the belly. Probably the depravity comes about from the fact that Bollywood only shows the flesh around the belly ... and these folks would like to come to the Goan beaches where they can get a full view of the flesh all over the body ! This cause of depravity the Indian movie censor-board might need to factor in that sex-education is wholesome and informative, and depriving one of seeing these in a wholesome way through the Bollywood media through censorship, only results in venting out of the pent-up feeling through other channels ... such as organized ogling as Nasci put it ! But then again, India is probably a greater democracy providing unfettered freedom to Oggle :-) -- Brian Nasci Caldeira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear RK Nair, I seem to have hit a 'raw nerve'. Why then do have not just 'ogling' but organised ogling to a 'business level' on behalf of Indians in Goa? Is this not the perversity in conservative Indian culture, that includes both muslim and hindutva depravity? Where else in the world do you see this kind of organised ogling? This type of activity brings a bad name to tourism in Goa and to the 'true culture' the liberal modern type, which the western tourist is lured into by advertising and more by word of mouth. Dear Nair, the beauty and the lustful mentality is in the eyes of the beholder! When kids do not know that their sisters and mothers have legs, they become curios and lustful; Sure Indian women in bikinis one piece or two piece have legs and figures as good as, if not better than the foreighn women; but they are not seen 'cause of stupid and unevolving, unchanging and medieval hindutva and muslim cultures! Its a pity that you are trying to uphold this depravity! Learn to respect the beauty and form of the woman and not to ogle and lust. My views are not bigoted and perverse! but your 'eyes and outlook' on life styles are! Think again and reform yourself. Be open minded and liberal. Modern Chinese and even other Asian cultures are better than these Indian types. You have to learn to differentiate between 'western and modern'. See ya!. Nasci. __ New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet]Any Goans in Japan?
That is really the best attitude to have -- When in Rome do as the Romans do that way you get to fully experience the local culture, people etc... instead of trying to seek out other Goans... unless of course you are in hostile territory and very much in need to touch base with other Goans for assistance. I was reading an intersting Financial Times Business Book the other day, where the author makes an interesting distinction between the traveller personality and the passenger personality. In short a traveller truely enjoys the journey and experiences it to the fullest extent. A passenger is merely passing through ! -- Brian Nasci Caldeira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well written, Helga! Japan is truly a great and civilised country! More importantly their Culture shines and they are never anti western for the sake of it. And they are authentic Asian; what a contrast to majority Indian outlook on life. I have myself travelled in Japan often! Did not come across any Goans. But when my wife and self did visit an Indian Restaurant in Yohohama, we found Goan Fish Curry and Rice on the menu! The only Indian Restaurant in the world I visited, is that we found and were pleasantly surprised. We tried it out, and though it was not authentic in taste etc, it came quite close. So there may be 'Goans ' in Yokohama, stranded after world war2!!! No need for anyone to go looking for Goans, surely. Ther's lots to see and exoerience. Bye, Nasci. Hi Venatius, I should have written this earlier - you are probably in Japan enjoying the good food! I lived in Nagoya for 7 years and in Tokyo for nearly 10 months but I do not remember meeting any Goans! Just as well ha?!!! But if you find that the language or the lack of it bogs you down there are plenty of foreigners from English speaking countries and many Indians especially in Tokyo and in most big universities. There are also many centers where foreigners can go for help and which are staffed by Japanese interpreters speaking most of the major languages. Here you can pick up loads of books on how to get by in Japan. In Tokyo you will find Japanese coming up to you and asking you in English if you need any help - they are very hospitable and very kind and what's more important you can get totally lost but you will never be mugged, robbed or assaulted. At least I have never heard of anyone who has been! Also many Japanese are looking for opportunities to practice their English so dont hesitate to ask for help! So enjoy the spectacular food and its artistry, the beautiful temples and the great hospitality. Its truly a great country and dont go wasting your time looking for Goans! If you do want to talk them they are all there waiting for you on goanet ready to argue on anything from Beyonce to Baghdad to quote the CNN guy. Have a great time!!! -Helga __ New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet]Ogling at women
Well Hinduvta may not be so bad after all, as it might restore Kama Sutra hey hey hey !! :-) --Brian Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Nasci Caldeira [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wrote: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 3:52 AM Subject: RE: [Goanet] Ogling at women Hi all, Hindutva as well as Muslim cultures and extreme Indian conservatism are the primary causes of 'The Ogling of Women' trend amongst a majority of Indians! RESPONSE: I have seen a documentary on India, about the situation before the British arrived. The Victorians did all they could to stifle, the really sexy Indians. There is a temple somewhere in South India depicting all the various sex positions. Then of course there is the Kama Sutra. Indians have to lay the blame on the puritanical British. Prior to that Indians were sex gods/goddesses. Cheers, Gabe Menezes __ New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet]RE: Ogling at women
Radhakrishnan Nair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What a wonderful theory, Nasci dear! Are we to believe that there is no ogling or teasing in cultures where children grow up seeing the bare limbs and midriffs of their mothers and sisters? Well Well ... children growing up to seeing the bare limbs and midriffs of their mother and sisters might be incestuous to their health ! :-) -- Brian __ New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Goa Government on a Holiday ?
Goa Government on a Holiday? The Chief Minister has just announced the schedule for the Goa Government based on the code-of-conduct that has come into place with the Election Commission having set the plans for the Lok Sabha elections. But the plans that the CM has announced seem more like the Goa Government will be going on a long holiday away from work to undertake full-time electioneering. This is really questionable if it falls under the code-of-conduct, for the state government to put a halt to all its work. The elections are the Lok Sabha elections and not the state government elections. So does this mean that all projects and development in the state are now come to a grinding halt till the elections are over? Brian Antao __ New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Re: moving back to Goa
Geee ... hope I can live up to your expectations of being a new Hero on the block and hope they are not on the lines of the Bollywood Hero ... and who will be my leading lady ??? perhaps the Goanet moderator Viviana !!!, of whom we have not heard much of lately wonder why :-) -- Brian Bernado Colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Goans are tired of being part of a third world community. Maybe our new hero returned from the US may turn the tables for Goa. Not the wrost place on earth before 61 I guess!! B. Colaco __ New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet]RE: RE: Mixed Marriages
I noted the emphasis on those last three words and in a deliberate tone of sarcasm added in the entire gamut of possibilities to the idea of mixed marriages why leave anything out ... which includes the kind of San Francisco Mixed Marriages :-) Perhaps you missed out on the sarcasm in the post !!! -- Brian Radhakrishnan Nair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Brian wrote: Well what about the kind of Mixed Marriages that have recently been solemnized en-masse in San Francisco?) Hi, Brian! Please read my post carefully. I wrote: There is absolutely no bar on a Keralite marrying a Punjabi, Gujarati, Goan or anyother Indian, provided they belong to the opposite sexes! The stress is on the last three words! Cheers, RKN __ New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet]Lopsided education in Goa
This is a problem due to the fact that the university education in Goa is rigidly structured across the individual affiliated colleges, and the curriculum is also rigid with little freedom to choose courses. A change can be brought about by having a core-concentration in the specialized area of study for example engineering and a minor-concentration in any of the other areas. The problem is implementing this flexibility, as for example the engineering colleges are rigidly fixed to only impart courses in engineering. Perhaps a student may be allowed the flexibility to attended classes/courses at any of the other affiliated colleges for thier minor-concentration outside the area of specialization. One problem that exists at Goa University is that each of the affiliated colleges are too seperated from each other, with little interaction and/or collaboration between them. In a previous article Reasearch Does Count I had mentioned that Goa University should move in the direction of being more of a Research and Teaching University, and I'd like to add that whatever references made in that article to Goa University applies not only to just the central Goa University body BUT to both Goa University and all its affiliated colleges. By bringing about more collaboration between the affiliated colleges, many inter-disciplinary research programmes can be undertaken. Research also needs to be undertaken by each of the affiliated colleges and their faculty, and not just at the main Goa University campus. Interaction between the affiliated colleges would also offer students greater flexibility of choosing and undertaking courses and subjects at the different affiliated colleges. -- Brian Antao jose lourenco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Education in Goa after SSC mostly splits into Science, Commerce and Arts streams. In the 'specialised' education that follows, which produces doctors, engineers, bankers or teachers, there is a lopsided focus. It is strange that our authorities feel that philosophy or money management need not be taught to Engineering students. The field of engineering in which I graduated is a broad one. The ethics of Socrates, Plato,Nietzsche,Russell et al as well as the sublime teachings of eastern philosophy would certainly have helped to shape the perspective of many an engineer,architect or doctor. Likewise lectures on stress management,money matters and motivation would have saved many a budding 'science' graduate from ruin. It is the need of the hour to establish a series of 'extra-curricular'(as the system may see it) lectures that correct this yawning gap in our educational system. Commerce students could learn how mudhouses,colonial era homes and high-rise buildings come together to affect people's spending power.Arts students must see how globalisation and technology will drastically alter the culture of the state. Computer students must debate the ethics of androids and anti-trust . Only then will we produce wholesome young men and women who see the larger picture clearly and understand and work with each other to usher in the Brave New World. __ Introducing the New Netscape Internet Service. Only $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet]Goa's Exam-centric system!
Thanks for the clarification on the ever changing acronym SAT Certainly, one has to be well prepared for the test! But preparing for the SAT is a different form of a preparation, much like training to take the driving test as indicated. However the Exam-centric general education system, compromises on learining or the Exams that are conducted should be conducted in such a manner where the learining process is very much like training to take the driving test and in the process you have acquired the skill on how to drive an automobile ! Which is a life-time skill. Like they say Once you have learned to ride a bicycle there's no question of forgeting it ... and there are many such things in life that one learns in the manner of riding the bicycle. -- Brian domnic fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SAT meant Scholastic Aptitude Test or Scholastic Assessment Test - not Standardized Aptitude Test. An excerpt from The Princeton Review Cracking the SAT Foreword by Adam Robinson John Katzman 2003 Edition: In the past few years, the political landscape surrounding testing has changed. As our society has become more test-savvy, the ETS test writers have responded in more sophisticated ways. They have admitted that the SAT is not an intelligence test, and not really an assessment test, either. This is reflected in the recent name changes of this test. The test writers first changed the name of the test from Scholastic Aptitude Test to Scholastic Assessment Test. Later, they dropped the claim that it was an assessment test, and now its just called the SAT (which stands for nothing at all). Further, the College Board now not only admits that preparation is advisable but even recommends it. A College Board official recently remarked Just as you wouldnt want to take a drivers test cold, you dont want to go cold into the SAT. Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA Brian Antao, Ph.D [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ..As a further recommendation, it would be also possible to eliminate the HSSC exam, and instead adopt the World recognized SAT (Standardized Aptitude Test) conducted by the Educational Testing Service (ETS) of Princeton, USA, for the standard XII students. Admissions for the various colleges in Goa would then be based on a weighted combination of a students performance on the SAT and their performance of their localized merit list in each of their individual Higher Secondary Schools. .. __ Introducing the New Netscape Internet Service. Only $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet] Ogling at women
When it comes to dating and personal relationships, one cannot accuse someone of being a racist, as it is a matter of personal choice and taste (Supposedly). And you also have your share of wierdos who want a taste of say women of a particular different race out of kinkiness etc. When it comes to inter-racial relationships and dating you really need to watch out for these wierdos (included both men and women)... I encountered a white-american woman who was looking for an Indian male specifically based on her stereotypical perception of the Indian male being a docile homely type who she could easily hold on a leash! On another instance I ran into a Hispanic guy in the US who was complaining that he had set his eyes on a nice Indian Girl, but she told him that she dated only other Indians and Blacks ! -- Brian Bernado Colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, well, well - brings us back to the subject, Indians are a special breed and racists at the same time. Try asking blacks in Britain. I saw a programme just the other day in which the prize for Black men was to get an Indian babe! Seems quite unatainable. Cheers, Gabe Menezes. Gabe, With your six pack Stella most of it is possible. Give a try at Leicester square at weekends!: B. Colaco __ New! Unlimited Netscape Internet Service. Only $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Act now to get a personalized email address! Netscape. Just the Net You Need. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Re: moving back to Goa
We have many problems, yes. But I still love being here. Being in Goa gives me a feeling that my work matters, and an ability to understand the context. FN I forgot to mention this most critical aspect, that being here in Goa, you get the greater satisfaction that You can make a difference ... as opposed to say being in America, where for the most part considered foreign labor for hire without much of a say or impact ! At the same time we do need Goans to constantly critique the state of affairs in Goa in a constructive way ... and sometimes one does need to resort to vitriolic to get the susegado Goan machinery to move on things ! I would say that we need more watch-dog type activists in Goa to keep prodding on for Continuous Improvement across the state as things tend to be easily get lost in a file gathering dust in a corner. For example, we hear about a lot of projects approved by the government, but many of these approved projects are sitting in files gathering dust. One much needed watch-dog group activity is needed to see that once these projects are approved that work on them commences immediately. In Goa, the machinery has the attitude of doing things Tommorow but the Tommorow never comes ! We also need a watch-dog group to see that projects are untertaken with high-quality standards. There is a lot of corruption in this regard, where for example, a project is approved for a certain amount, but the work is undertaken at a sub-standard level, and money is siphoned off, by compromising on the quality. For example, It seems that the Margao Municipality has undertaken to paint around the Municipal garden fencing... but a number of sections of the fencing are fallen apart, pieces of the concrete sections coming off and exposing the steel re-enforcing bars ... A good quality engineering work would be to first fix and patch up all these broken pieces in the boundary all around, and then apply the new paint. Instead of just painting over the broken pieces ... This is the kind of bad work that is much needed to be vocied out and critiqued !!! -- Brian __ Introducing the New Netscape Internet Service. Only $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet]Mixed marriages
Well what about the kind of Mixed Marriages that have recently been solemnized en-masse in San Francisco ?? With India having such a cultural diversity the number of permutations and combinations might exceed the computational capacity of India's indigenously built super-computer :-) -- Brian Radhakrishnan Nair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (The learned doctor Jose Colaco wants to know: I ask...What are the chances of a Keralite man marrying a Punjabi woman? No discriminations hunh?) Chances are pretty bright, dear Dr JC! Sitting in Nassau or some other godforsaken place, you're dreaming up delusionary stuff about India and its people. There is absolutely no bar on a Keralite marrying a Punjabi, Gujarati, Goan or anyother Indian, provided they belong to the opposite sexes! Have you heard of AIR newsreader Rini Simon, a Keralite? She's now Rini Khanna, married to a Punjabi. I've a couple of journalist friends in Delhi -- one a Christian and the other a Hindu -- both married to Punjabi girls. There are many more, but I don't want to discuss people's private lives on this forum. As Miguel once rightly stated, having tended to ailing children all your life, you think this world is made up of kids alone. Grow up, my good doctor JC and, as Gabe would say, spill the coffee! Your old friend, RKN __ Introducing the New Netscape Internet Service. Only $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet] Ogling at women
Well, Goans are Indians too and not a different entity all together ... so the term Indian is all-encompassing that includes Goans as well ! And Goa has its fair share of the cheats, corrupt etc. and is no different in this regard from the rest of India ! but not quite so bad as it is in the nearby Mumbai for example... A multinational Hotel chain representative who was in Goa scouting for new properties to expand to, asked the first question if one has to deal with the underworld in order to obtain a property for hotel expansion in Goa, as one has to do to acquire properties in Mumbai! As for the Ogling part, if you go to the many Goan beaches, and many of the foreign tourists who are sun-bathing will tell you that they are extremely annoyed by out-of-state non-goan tourists who come from other states in India and go about the beaches blatently standing by where they are resting and staring/ogling at them that they have to shoo them away ... -- Brian halur rasho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is it so diffcult to get the point across ? It is not about ogling. It is about stereo-typing of indians, by Goa-netters. About 50% percent of the posts here are derogatory comments about indians, being oglers, cheats, corrupt, backward, women covered from head to toe etc. Indians are like any other people. Some are insufferable jerks, a few are saints and most are some where in between. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well ... Ogling is a past-time of the loosers who are unable to positively interact and build relationships with women ... if you have grown up with girls in your life as friends etc. You'd most likely find it quite distasteful... Aparantly the same goes for pornography ... those who have had the real thing or as the American colloquailism goes Are getting it ... don't feel the need to watch others :-) halur rasho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A sense of humour helps sometimes, you know. Not having devoted as much time as you have to the study of this subject, I cannot speak with authority. However, on any week day, spend some time on the Bombay or Delhi University campus. I assure you the head to toe covering is rare, indeed. Quite the opposite, actually. Or better still, go on a pub crawl in Bangalore. As far as India is concerned, you are stuck in a weird time-wrap, but then again, who cares? And what is this our women and your women, and their women nonsense. Get rid of this notion that women belong to men. --- Rui Collaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am I mistaken? I don't think so. Indians prefer to ogle at Goan women and foreign female tourists because there's something in them to ogle at, in other words, they show part of their bodies (thank God, for beauty is to be seen and praised!). I don't see why and how they should ogle at their own women, dressed from head to toe as is the norm! You do not discriminate? Not quite so. Try talking to any African that has lived in India. He will say it is one of the most racist societies in the world. Not to speak of lower castes,harijans, tribes, etc. who endure all sorts of indignities, especially their women. Rui Collaço Lisboa __ Introducing the New Netscape Internet Service. Only $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet]moving back to Goa
Hi, I'm not the one to dismiss an entire culture in a stereotype, as most often is the tendency with Americans to do. I have had many positive and wonderful experiences, which many others I am sure have had too... but it would be more beneficial for other Goans to hear of the negatives so that they can be prepared better when they encounter similar situations... after all you don't want to paint a too rosy picture that all is fine... Maybe I was a little spolit having been to graduate school at Vanderbilt University, which is one of the nicer socio-cultural as well as, well ranked American Universities, which has a higher quality of student population(the upper crust), than what the average American is like. I have been to the silicon valley many times, and I'd say it is one of the better places in America to live in, but is is an exception and not the norm. I am also quite the explorer, and have travelled very widely across and seen quite a bit of America, including many of the off the beaten path areas and town-ships... and experienced the real Americana, and have met some real nice genuine Americans too... and can distinguish the Mississipi accent from the Alabama one, though many would simply say that it is the southern one, but franky there is a shade of a difference ! In general I would say that just the way that there is a wide gap between the rich and the poor in India, there is a similar gap between the good and not-so good Americans! Psychologists will tell you that when some one is put under a situation of extreme stress or adversity, it brings out a person's true character. September 11 was such an adversity that brought out the true character of Americans and most of it was not quite so good ! America which once was a bastion of the humanitarian democracy has progressed more towards being a neo-fascist police state. America has many sophisticated suppresive controls in place. On the other hand Britain has been progressing towards being the more compassionate democracy and the formation of the European Union is a development towards more of unification as opposed to the more isolationist path that America is heading to. For all the talk about America being such an open democracy ... how many Americans of Indian origin have been able to rise to a high-ranking political position ? If you look at Britian, we have Keith Vaz, a British-Goan who is a Member of the British parliament, in addition to a couple of other Indian origin MPs, as well as a couple of Indian origin Lords ... members of the upper house of the Lords! Britian also has more stringent anti-racist laws !! After all, where-ever you maybe it does take some amount of individual effort to make it within whatever framework that exists, and this frame-work differs from place to place, and you have to navigate through the negatives and use the positives to your advantage ! Cheers, -- Brian Marlon Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sorry to hear that Brian had a series of negative experiences in the US after leaving university. I do agree that things have gotten a little less comfortable after 9-11, but I believe this has much to do with the policies of this present administration than the public at large. __ New! Unlimited Netscape Internet Service. Only $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Act now to get a personalized email address! Netscape. Just the Net You Need. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet] Ogling at women
Well ... Ogling is a past-time of the loosers who are unable to positively interact and build relationships with women ... if you have grown up with girls in your life as friends etc. You'd most likely find it quite distasteful... Aparantly the same goes for pornography ... those who have had the real thing or as the American colloquailism goes Are getting it ... don't feel the need to watch others :-) halur rasho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A sense of humour helps sometimes, you know. Not having devoted as much time as you have to the study of this subject, I cannot speak with authority. However, on any week day, spend some time on the Bombay or Delhi University campus. I assure you the head to toe covering is rare, indeed. Quite the opposite, actually. Or better still, go on a pub crawl in Bangalore. As far as India is concerned, you are stuck in a weird time-wrap, but then again, who cares? And what is this our women and your women, and their women nonsense. Get rid of this notion that women belong to men. --- Rui Collaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am I mistaken? I don't think so. Indians prefer to ogle at Goan women and foreign female tourists because there's something in them to ogle at, in other words, they show part of their bodies (thank God, for beauty is to be seen and praised!). I don't see why and how they should ogle at their own women, dressed from head to toe as is the norm! You do not discriminate? Not quite so. Try talking to any African that has lived in India. He will say it is one of the most racist societies in the world. Not to speak of lower castes,harijans, tribes, etc. who endure all sorts of indignities, especially their women. Rui Collaço Lisboa __ Introducing the New Netscape Internet Service. Only $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Much ado about nothing
Much ado about nothing This is in reference to the edit-page article Dont blame the Foreigner by Colin Anders, Herald, February 28,2004, who presumably from the email address given is an Australian National. The article seems more like lamentations of a troubled race-conscious (xenophobic) individual, over-sensitive to use of language that has no specific implications. Idiomatically speaking the term tourist-infested by no means blames any particular foreigner, but simply is an adjective to describe a location that is overflowing with tourists. Incidentally, tourist is not synonymous with the foreigner, but includes the Indian tourist from outside the state. The writer also refers to an article by a Goan writer and in the process takes a pot-shot at his pseudonym, making it a point to racialize it by saying A Goan who has Anglicised his name to Tony Martin. While the writer purports to espouse on the cultural diversity in India, he aught to know that: Goans do not deliberately anglicize their names, but rather Goan names historically have much similarities to Anglical names. And incidentally the name Tony Martin is quite common with other naturally named Goans. In addition according to international patent laws, no one can claim the rights to ownership of a name and a human being is free to choose a name of his/her desire, which is part of the universal human rights. As for tourism in Goa, the Goa government as well as the various tourism development agencies has aggressive programs underway to boost tourism, and there is much effort to boost the right kind of tourism. Now, we wouldnt want Goa, in the guise of being a tourism Mecca to be a hideout for the Australian criminal do we? Tourism has come about to be a major industrial sector, if you will, in Goa. As for the Hippie culture, it originated in the 60s as part of the Vietnam anti-war protest, composed of what were then called the flower-children many of who found the isolated beaches of Anjuna a place to hang out. But the Hippie culture has long since died away. However the term Hippie has stuck on and the locals loosely use it to refer to the low-budget, backpacking tourist with no malice intended. Besides Goans are well aware of their identity as being Goan and at the same time being part of the nation of India and Indian as well, and don't need a lesson on how to be nationalistic from a xenophobic foreigner. The writer seems to be reading too much into nothing at-all and in the process opens a window to his rather race-conscious soul. Brian Antao __ Introducing the New Netscape Internet Service. Only $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet]GOA'S MINISTERS HAVE SOUND MONOPOLY
Goas Blanket Ban on loud noise Goa being a vibrant tourist and cultural state, the blanket ban on Music after an early hour of just 10.00pm across the state is quite self-defeating. Many of the developed countries also have noise-ordinances, but it is not in the form of a blanket ban over the entire region. For example a City has zones marked out as residential zones, commercial zones and entertainment zones. The noise-ordinances are applied differently to the different zones. Similarly it is necessary in Goa, to demark residential, commercial and entertainment zones. Particularly the beaches and beachfronts could easily be designated as entertainment zones. The tighter restrictions on playing loud music should be imposed on the residential zones. While different levels of restrictions need to be defined and loosened across the entertainment and commercial zones. Thus allowing and promoting different cultural events to be held at these earmarked zones. This step of zoning the noise-ordinance across Goa would also help in promoting tourism. Late night concerts, and party events with live music would be encouraged to be held in the entertainment zones, where they dont cause disturbance to the residential population, at the same time allow the party revelers to enjoy the events unfettered. Brian Antao airesrod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The enforcement of the Madhya Pradesh Sound Act in Goa has become farcical. Arrange a function, have a Minister if not the CM as your chief guest and you can play music till dawn. However, when the sound system is operational it would be a good idea to arrest the Minister for being a guest in his official capacity witnessing and patronising amplified music at late hours, against the law. Enforcement of the Sound Act should be uniform and there should never be a pick and choose of violators. On January 20th, this year Ribandar had a centenary celebrations village dance which the police did not hesitate to abruptly stop once we had crossed the permissible hour. Perhaps if we had asked the Minister who was our Chief Guest to stay on till the end of the show, we might have been able to dance on. On a different note, so much is being said about the Uttar Pradesh leader Mr. D.P Yadav who has been charged with extortion and murder and for having been welcomed into the BJP only to be flushed out a couple of days later. A Minister in the Goa Government who was recently admitted into the BJP has also a whole pile of cases of extortion against him. So much for the party with a difference that the BJP claims to be. Aires Rodrigues Ribandar __ Introducing the New Netscape Internet Service. Only $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Prejudice and the habitual dissemination of UnadulteratedFalsehood
Well since you seem to indulge in these personal discussions, I figured I could send you a personal mating call over these public waves :-) (naughty naughty!) -- Brian Viviana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gee, I didn't know I wasn't allowed to post or take part in Goanet discussions, thanks for pointing that out, Brian. I'll be sure to keep that in mind! Do you want to inform Fred Noronha or should I?? ;-)) VC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to intrude on this private tete-a-tete which seems to allude the general Goanet audience and say: That the moderator Dame Viviana is abusing her access to the Goanet for personal conversations, much like the many Goa Government officials who abuse the official machinery for their personal use ... well it all seems like part of the Goan culture... and who are the exceptions that complain about Corruption in Goa ? Cheerio ! -- Brian Viviana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JC - Arre Baba - tum keso aha? Ah, The Washington Post, that bastion of truth telling. You have web sites/sources which list names, I have web sites which state there were no HCPs on the Task Force. We can go on and on ad nauseum. However, I'm still asking you a question, which you have not answered plainly enough for me to understand, hanv bondo, remember? Are you saying I'm mis-/uninformed or are you saying I'm a liar? VC __ Introducing the New Netscape Internet Service. Only $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Prejudice and the habitual dissemination of UnadulteratedFalsehood
I'd like to intrude on this private tete-a-tete which seems to allude the general Goanet audience and say: That the moderator Dame Viviana is abusing her access to the Goanet for personal conversations, much like the many Goa Government officials who abuse the official machinery for their personal use ... well it all seems like part of the Goan culture... and who are the exceptions that complain about Corruption in Goa ? Cheerio ! -- Brian Viviana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JC - Arre Baba - tum keso aha? Ah, The Washington Post, that bastion of truth telling. You have web sites/sources which list names, I have web sites which state there were no HCPs on the Task Force. We can go on and on ad nauseum. However, I'm still asking you a question, which you have not answered plainly enough for me to understand, hanv bondo, remember? Are you saying I'm mis-/uninformed or are you saying I'm a liar? VC __ Introducing the New Netscape Internet Service. Only $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]re: Research does count
Nirmala, This is certainly a great effort at developing the different Centre's for research and development and would contribute much to the educational and research infrastructure in Goa. In all such endeavors, you would need to be more aggressive to seek out the resources that you need. Get a personal meeting with the Chief Minister... who I am sure is quite supportive of such developments, and would intervene to accelerate the process of getting the land approvals etc. In addition you should also publish a prospectus about this development in the major Goa newspapers. You could also seek financial grants from the CSIR. Goa also has the major industrial houses like Salgaocars, Dempos, Sesa Goa, the Zuari-Birla industries, D-Link etc. that you need to actively pursue to obtain funds for development and sponsorship. In addition you could also approach the other major Indian Industrial houses, such as Tata, Reliance, Mahindra, Godrej, Infosys, Wipro too. You would need to do a lot more pro-active marketing to seek the sponsors for these ventures. You would need to directly seek out and contact sources of sponsors, don't expect sponsors to come to you! Good Luck, -- Brian Antao Nirmala [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed, 11 Feb 2004 09:17:39 + (GMT) Dear Fred, Hello. Research does count. At Goa institute of Management, we are planning to establish research centres exclusively devoted to promote research culture in Goa and to meet the information needs of the industry, academicia and the government on different areas. We plan to start four research centres namely, Centre for Management of Education, Centre for Health Care Management, Centre for Entrepreneurship Development and Centre for Services Excellence. A major constraint is the limited funding for research. Although the Institute has provided a sufficiently good infrastructure, we currently have a limitation on the physical space available (permission to build in the vacant area is still due from the government, as the building is owned by them, leased to GIM) and also need sufficient funds to start them. We are looking for sources, and please let us know if any of the organisations abroad or in India are willing to associate with us in this process. Looking forward to an active response, Regards, Nirmala __ Introducing the New Netscape Internet Service. Only $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
Re: [Goanet]Remo - A satire on the State of the Art in Bollywood
Bernado Colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Extracts from Frederich Noronha's article Remo rage against bankrupt Bharat Remo said in an interview published in Panaji: This whole country, which was once the cradle of deep, high-thinking philosophy and art and literature, seems to have gone intellectually bankrupt, and Bollywood seems to be the beginning and end of life as we know it. State of the Art in Bollywood! by Brian Antao Why is that India's movie industry, answer to Hollywood, Bollywood, which claims to make the most movies in a year, in financial dire straits, tottering on the brink of bankruptcy. Bollywood's claim to fame in its attempt to compete with Hollywood is that it makes many more movies in a year than its rival. Movies are an Artistic production, where the Quality matters and not the Quantity. In terms of Quality none of the hastily mass-produced Bollywood hits come anywhere near in comparison to a carefully crafted Hollywood hit. Bollywood is like a decrepit old automobile factory producing the same old single-model line of cars that are out-dated and no one wants to buy any more. Whereas a successful automobile company is one that keeps up with the times, continuously upgrading its models diversifies its product offerings and has a broad selection of models that cater to the individual tastes of different cross-sections of consumer groups. What ails Bollywood? 1. The single one-dimensional song and dance interjected formula. 2. Mediocre, melodramatic overacting. 3. Lack of appreciation that motion pictures are Artistic creations. 4. Lack of creativity and originality 5. Lack of Business savvy by the Bollywood production companies. Use of a Single Formula Bollywood productions have been patterned along the lines of a single model or formula, the song and dance-interjected one, originally based on the timeless Hollywood classic The Sound of Music. Dame Julie Andrew's sequence singing, The hills are alive with the sound of music in the picturesque mountainside has been replicated almost like a template in every other Bollywood production. These one-dimensional productions are no different, say for example if all Hollywood productions were Mickey Mouse animations. Is Bollywood really so lacking in originality and creativity? In many of the Bollywood productions the song and dance interjections keeping popping up like commercials do in TV programs. Maybe Bollywood could employ an ingenious strategy of associating product commercials with these pop-up song and dance break-outs and in the process generate an added stream of revenue! At the same time these song and dance breakouts are as annoying and stick out like sore thumbs. When you watch a Bollywood movie on video or DVD, one has the ability of fast-forwarding through. It is probably fine, making two or three romantic musicals a year, based on this formula. But the so-called high action dramas end up being dissonant and schizophrenic when interjected with the same formula. Imagine the Hollywood hit Terminator, with Arnold Schwarzenegger breaking out in song and dance in the middle of the action! This formula being so abused that it is, is the prime reason why Bollywood productions don't sell any more. In Hollywood on the other hand, every production strives to be unique and original, a complete opposite of the Bollywood philosophy. Anything that closely resembles something being done or made before, or any purveyors of a formula, lacking originality or creativity, is mercilessly chased out of Hollywood. Bollywood really needs to grow out of this single formula based system, and adopt a free form approach that promotes original and creative artistic ideas, promotes experimentation with concepts that are new. Not to mention that this single formula approach stifles creativity and originality. The biggest damage that this one-dimensional approach does is portray, India a nation of great diversity, as a single stereotype in the International cultural exchange. The Walt Disney Company, which started out with making the Mickey Mouse animated features, has not limited itself to simply mass-producing Mickey Mouse animations. Disney has since broadly diversified, and in a year produces a wide range of distinct films that have only a common theme of being Family entertainment. While Bollywood's claim to fame it that it produces the maximum number of films [or flops] in a year. A close look at the fewer films that Hollywood makes, span a wide spectrum, are unique, original and most importantly are a great success financially. The range of movies released in a year by Hollywood, will at the most include one or two musicals, the rest range from a few animations, a few selections that address kids entertainment, a selection of Family entertainment, a few comedies, a few spy thrillers, a few action
[Goanet]COMMENT: Goa's Exam-centric system
Problems with Goa's exam-centric education system By Brian Antao, Ph.D. Recently The Goa Education board announced that it would publish the answer papers of the top students from the SSC and HSSC exams. Apparently this idea is to provide other students with a model on how the answers to the exam questions should be. There are a number of issues that are being debated around this development, some which include the Intellectual Property rights that the students own to their answer papers and royalties due to them as these answer papers are not provided free of charge but are on sale. These issues are of a rather trivial nature. The real problem is that such a move will take education reform in the state in a WRONG direction. As it is in Goa the education system at all levels from the high schools to the Universities is too exam-centric, with a major final exam used as the main criteria for academic advancement. Walk into a college campus and how many of the student groups are engaged in an intellectual discussion on a course or subject? The real problem with this exam-centric approach is that it promotes a cramming culture that produces students to be good parrots. Such rote memorization techniques were actually used in the early days in the computer research field of Artificial Intelligence and resulted in gross failure as the computer programs failed to behave intelligently. Cognitive Science is a growing field that deals with the many issues such as memory and learning mechanisms. Our Goan educators should avail themselves of the many leading edge developments in the fields of Cognitive Science and Cognitive psychology. Cognitive psychology is not just dealing with children with learning disabilities, but there are other areas in this field that have explored more efficient learning and teaching methods. Then we have the entire field of Pedagogy and pedagogical methods to effectively impart education. Goa's exam-centric education system fails to stimulate a student to truly learn a subject. The education system is also too punishment driven, instead of being motivation driven, where the teachers must strive to motivate a student to do better through positive re-enforcement ways, instead of resorting to punishment. The predominant culture of referring to past exam papers does not even exist in the educational system in the western countries. As the educational system enforces grass roots learning of the fundamentals. It is only in the case of standardized tests such as the SAT, GRE, GMAT that one refers to past question papers. One has to has the profound question, Is Goa's education system really educating its students? the operative word being to educate. If one looks at the trend that students in Goa follow in their education, typically a student accumulates past question papers from the last four or five years with ready answers to these questions. Exam preparation takes the form of cramming this set of questions and answers. The exam-setters typically repeat questions from past exams and thus we have students scoring high percentages in the exams. What have the students learnt in the process? Other than being experts in cramming and passing exams. The problem lies with both the system of education as well as the students. Goa's education system largely fails to motivate students to actually learn a subject or topic and master it and be an expert at it! There is a vast difference from learning a subject and cramming and passing an exam. We have for example engineering students from Goa colleges graduating with 80% in their final exams yet fail in job interviews and are unable to secure good quality jobs. What does it mean that a student who has secured 80% in his graduating class? One expects the 80% to indicate that the student has mastered at the very least 80% of the engineering curricula knowledge? But in the Goa's education system this 80% is more likely to indicate that the student's cramming index. One of Goa's minister's recently indicated that the exam system needs serious reform, yet we see this development of selling exam paper solutions of the top performers. Goa's education minister in a recent statement made another faux pas by stating that the subject of History could be done away with. Oh! Wonderful what an agenda do we have for education reform in Goa a minimizing and limiting one, instead of one that broadens the intellect of the youth, that provides more options and freedom in course and subject selections. Developing well roundedness is key to success in the long run. Learning history teaches one NOT to make the mistakes that were made in the past. Learning history also teaches one about the cultures of the world, the civilizations of the past that is quite useful to pave the ways to the future. Learning history also teaches one not to go about re-inventing the wheel! Goa is a modest sized compact state, with a
RE: [Goanet]moving back to Goa
Hi, Well, I had not pre-planned to move back to Goa, But came down on an extended break, happened to re-discover Goa and have continued living here and have decided not to return to the US. The quality of life for a foreigner in the USA from my personal experience went down-hill drastically since September 11, though it was going down-hill from much before. And you know with all the constant tension and Asians being put under the scan of suspicion was unsettling. After I arrived in Goa, it was such a breath of fresh air ... the atmosphere is so calm and peaceful ... and it felt more like being at home. I realized that in all the time I spent in the US I never quite got down to getting that feeling of being home and never really felt like it was a place I could call home In addition I had a horrible experience ... an experience with the classic American Bigot. A crazy woman based in Texas where I lived who never even saw me, but only had heard of me through one of her friends who happened to know me began making serious accusations that I was a terrorist. This woman was a classic case of the American Xenophobe who have a problem dealing with Intelligent foreigners. This woman was so twisted that she went to the extent of claiming to be an authority on India, and that there were No Catholics or Christians in India. And she went about accusing me of actually being a Muslim terrorist who had changed his name to a Christian name and lying about being a Catholic and all such really extremely demented stuff. It is so typical of Americans who have such grossly WRONG and demented perceptions about the rest of the world but will go about with such an arrogance to impose their WRONG beliefs. I have too much of pride and self-esteem to put up with such ridiculous bull-shit! This is the kind of shit that I won't tolerate or put up with, even if offered a million dollars! As for the USA, I really enjoyed the time when I was a student and in academia, but it was like night and day after that in the real world. I always wondered what happened to all these American folks who are good and nice when they are in the collegiate environment, but once they get out in the real world go down-hill. Things have changed too a lot in the USA, and I think what once used to be called the American Dream has become more of an American Nightmare... Now it is the European Dream !! Besides after coming down to Goa, I have also realized how insular the USA is. From Goa, I have access to more news and information about the rest of the world, that what one has in the USA. Even the regional Goan newspapers have better global news coverage than the American media. I have also discovered the more exciting challenges that Europe and England have to offer... my future plans are open and I am exploring a number of options that include, staying on in Goa, if a business plan I'm working on comes through, to exploring opportunities in England or other parts of developed Europe. If you see Goa for example, it is a popular tourist destination with Europeans, and the Europeans are definitely a much more cultured and classy lot. I have got a chance here to see and mingle with a lot of the European tourists and they are a much nicer, cultured, mannered, decent and pleasant lot. As compared to the American who seems like such a rough-neck in comparison... The term Americanus Redneckus is quite apropos ! A problem with the American psyche as such is that they tend to view the world in terms of stereotypes... for example if an American knows one Indian who is a convenience store worker, he/she would most stupidly conclude that all Indians are convenience store workers. Which was quite evident by the shocking public remark made by Hillary Clinton, who aspires to be an American President -- She said Was'nt Mahatma Gandhi a gas station worker In America, one has to be able to distinguish the American Xenophobe, from the racist. A lot of Americans are very Xenophobhic about Intelligent foreigners... Americans like to think that by default, simply because they are Americans they are smarter than the foreigner, and feel more comfortable with the less smart foreigner... as a result Americans are more a bunch of smart-asses and smart-alecs than Intelligent ... I read somewhere that Intelligent American is quite the oxymoron -- probably originated from the French who have quite a disdain of Americans, but one which is quite justifiable. Returning to Goa is really great ... if you have some capital saved up and have a bit of an entrepreneural spirit it is perfect ... you can set yourself up in a nice independent business and relax and enjoy the great Goan ambiance Besides, Goa is growing and developing in all fronts ... there are ample of recreational opportunities ... football is particularly a hot favorite... there are a dozen of different leagues at different levels, and matches played all over the place from the top Indian
[Goanet]Re: COMMENT: Research does count (Brian Antao, PhD)
The article was a general article emphasizing on various issues that should be factored in to improve the educational infrastructure in Goa, with a strong emphasis to increase the focus on developing research ability in students from an early stage. And yes as such there are a number of issues that are not directly connected, but are relevant in the broader context of improvinig the educational infrastructure. The article by the way appeared originally as an Op-Ed in the O'Herald. As for the respondent's comments that such a frame-work does not exist even in the developed world is really not an issue of contention in terms of improving education in Goa. Just because things don't exist elsewhere in the world, does it mean that Goa cannot take the leadership and be a first to implement its own path-breaking system ? He talks about the education system the world over not producing leaders but followers, and yet expects Goa to be a follower and not a leader. He boasts of having 7 years of teaching experience in a developed country but is not able to contribute any fresh new ideas that one would expect from someone with that much of real experience. The system of education in the developed countries to a great extent is more open-ended allowing one the freedom to be what one wants to be. It is not so much production oriented, producing neither employees nor employers! Where as it is the system in India which is NOT open-ended and more production oriented. To also point out, particularly to the many Non Resident Goans, who have left Goa and have settled in other countries and take this position of sitting on an almighty throne and looking back at Goa as being a backward under-developed village. Things are progressing mighty well in Goa. Many of whom were un-willing to accept that Goa was adjudged as India's Number One overall state. The basket-of-crabs mentality of destructive criticism prevails particularly among the Non Resident Goan community on their view of Goa. It's time many of them visited Goa and looked around and see for themselves the amazing developments that are taking place. Some feats to note: The Konkan railway based in Margao have developed the Sky-bus metropolitan transit system, a first of its kind in the world which has been granted a US patent, and many developed countries have expressed interest in the technology. The National Institute of Oceanography(NIO) based in Goa, Dona Paula, has many Goan Scientists working who have made many notable discoveries and have been awarded international patents. The last Director of NIO, Dr. E. DeSa has just been appointed to a prestiguous post at the UNESCO based in France. The other day a resident Goan, said to me, which was a great compliment, that I was very different from the many Non Resident Goans who come down to Goa on vacations etc. he said in Konkani (sp?) Eh dushre yetah te sogle beshteleh, feh, feh, feh kohn shapondah sangon woita, kai korepah yeanah Another day, I was amused by a Goan youth who had returned after just a year's stay in the US, and was trying too hard to put on an American accent while speaking that he was totally incoherent more than being impressive on his newly acquired American accent :-) PS: I studied and lived in the USA for over 15 years, and frankly had enough of it. After returning to Goa... I have discovered to great delight how nicely Goa has been developing and improving and growing and thriving. And I intend to contribute constructively to the growth and development... Cheers ! -- Brian George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:54:46 -0800 (PST) The author makes a number of good points in the article, though they are not necessarily connected (example who is a lecturer, the lack of research, cramming, etc.). However, after 7 years teaching at a University here in California, I can suggest two fundamental flaws with educational systems the world over (not just developing countries and Goa): 1. The system is geared to produce employees, not employers. Followers, not leaders. Crowd-pleasers, not trail-blazers. This is a malaise which also affects the Goan psyche and leads to comfort as second-class citizens in various institutions (educational, religious, political, etc). 2. Learning without a sense of social and civic activism. I do not consider an education complete or even good without creating in the student a passion for justice and equality. If a student (or for that matter any adult) does not pursue justice, they are not educated. The world we live in, full of injustices, demands no less. Science, engineering, math, etc. without the humanities and ultimately a sense for justice (and truth) is incomplete. George __ Introducing the New Netscape Internet Service. Only $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need.
Re: [Goanet]Fatorda Sports Complex --
Goa has certainly come a long way in the Sports arena. The Football scene has particularly grown tremendously and Goa is a major competitor almost near to over-taking Calcutta... This year's National Football League has the the highest number of teams from Goa qualified, with Dempo leading the pool table after the first leg. The inter-high school sports have also been elevated greatly in terms of standards. There are many local sporting competitions organized on a regular basis by different regional bodies. There's not just inter-high school but also inter-collegiate competitions, and they have always been !! The various official stats can be obtained from the various Goa sports associations, Like the Goa Football Association, Goa Athletics Association etc. No offence intended, but you seem to be one of the typical Non Resident Goans who have this impression that Goa is still living in the dark ages :-) Cheers ! -- Brian Marlon Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are there any major sporting competitions held in Goa? In particular, are there any biking, running and swimming as well as triathlon events in which a non-professional athelete or even a general citizen can compete in? Are there local clubs that organize and participate in such events. What about schools and colleges - do they have intra-college athletic competitions? Even more questions: are there any official stats or state records for various athletic events (e.g. 100m, 400m,...5K...) Marlon --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fatorda Sports Complex by Brian Antao The Fatorda sports complex is a good effort on the part of the Goa Government to develop a modern sports/fitness facility with a world-class football stadium in Goa that has brought international football to the reach of the many football fans in Goa. There are a few items that need to be further developed at the complex. One again sees the same lethargy in such projects, the initial development takes place, and not much attention is given to further development, expansion and continuous improvement. __ Introducing the New Netscape Internet Service. Only $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Fatorda Sports Complex --
Fatorda Sports Complex by Brian Antao The Fatorda sports complex is a good effort on the part of the Goa Government to develop a modern sports/fitness facility with a world-class football stadium in Goa that has brought international football to the reach of the many football fans in Goa. There are a few items that need to be further developed at the complex. One again sees the same lethargy in such projects, the initial development takes place, and not much attention is given to further development, expansion and continuous improvement. One incomplete facet of the complex is the jogging/walking track, which has been left un-surfaced and is filled with loose red mud, which is more of a health-hazard. When one takes a round on the jogging track, leaves one chocking and gagging on the red dust kicked up. The track really needs to be surfaced with an astro-turf, which is specially designed for jogging/running and walking and is weather resistant during the monsoon. Such a track is not too expensive or inconceivable. At the same time a poor quality surfacing also results in injuries such shin-stress etc. In addition such an astro-turf also needs to be laid inside the stadium around the football playing field, which is marked for athletic events. For the recent Afro-Asian games held for the first time in Hyderabad, the Andhra Pradesh government built a modern facility with international standards. Surely the Goa Government can now look in terms of making additions and improvements to the core infrastructure built at the Fatorda Sports Complex. The CM has announced a huge incentive package for Goan sports people who excell at the national and international level. But of greater need is adequate training facilities! Another much needed addition at the Fatorda complex is a full-fledged Gymnasium with all the modern exercise machinery for fitness training etc. Such a gymnasium would go a long way to cater to the fitness needs of not only the professionals sports community but should also be open to the general public to promote general fitness. A large enough Gymnasium would cater to the diverse needs, including bodybuilding as well as aerobics etc. At the just concluded Carnival we saw many mega-sponsors pitching in the floats parade etc. These mega-sponsors could be tapped in to contribute to the further development and expansion at the Fatorda Sports Complex in exchange for permanent advertising space etc. __ Introducing the New Netscape Internet Service. Only $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
RE: [Goanet]Goa's Electricity Woes --
Nagesh, That was certainly some good inside info on the workings of Goa's electricity department... I believe Corruption is certainly a big problem that plagues the public sector in Goa, with the PWD being even more notorious. It seems that the biggest hurdle in improving Goa's electricity infrastructure is the Corruption factor. And as you pointed out with all the defective equipment that has been installed, this is a clear indicator that Goa's electric transmission and distribution infrastructure is a highly defective and faulty one, which includes defective and faulty meters etc. Part of the reason for the defective equipment is again attributable to corruption where the purchase officer cuts a deal with the supplier and takes a under the table cut in exchange for the defective equipment that the supplier provides. The government has announced plans for underground cabling at the two major cities in Panjim and Margao ... this is a good opportunity to make a start and while doing this underground cabling atleast in these two cities, the transmission and distribution system can be completely overhauled... and as the process slowly migrates to other parts of Goa, eventually the entire infrastructure can be overhauled in phases begining with the sanctioned projects in these two cities. Another development is the Corporatization or privatization of the electricity department, which has been approved by the CM recently. Cities like Delhi have privatized their electricity utility services and has seen a great improvement in service. Perhaps we can hope for a similar improvement in Goa. If the Electricity service now operates as an efficient corporation and free from the bureaucracy! Another question to be asked is who is paying ultimately for the power that is lost in the defective transmission system, including the pilferage ? The voltage fluctuations are again a problem caused by a defective system. It is a serious problem that eventually does need to be fully fixed we certainly can't expect to go on this way... as with the growth that occurs in the state, more residential and commercial consumers, the defective and faulty system will end up being a great catastrophe waiting to happen ! Revamping the system, while it being an ardous task is not something which is inconceivable. In the developed countries, which started out with the older generation of the electricity infrastructure, have been able to phase out the old and modernize the infrastructure to keep up with the times... so there is a lot of expertise available in terms of consultancy services in this sector on how to effectively phase out an antiquated electricity infrastructure and phase-in a modernized one. For example, for the IFFI (Film Festival) infrastructure development, the government has retained the consultancy services of a Canadian Firm with Experience at Cannes and French film festivals. In the power sector there are many MNCs that could similarly retained to provide consultancy expertise on how to cost-effectively revamp Goa's electricity infrastructure ... one really good company is the Japanese corporation TMTD http://www.tmt-d.com In terms of financial support, Goa could reach out to global resources such as the Asia development bank (ADB) ... some of the northeastern states in India have secured financing from ADB to develop their electricity infrastructure. While the central government has launched huge electricity development projects elsewhere in India, the Goa government has not been able to adequetly impress upon the centre the dire needs required in Goa, but instead have been projecting this false image that Goa is trading in surplus power, and hence does not need assistance from the Center to revamp the infrastructure. So this claim about trading in surplus power has only come back to shoot Goa in the foot ! -- Brian Antao Nagesh Bhatcar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Revamping Goa's electricity network will indeed be a huge task to undertake. Having worked for the Electricity Department in the early 80s, I know of some of the problems that the Department had to endure. There are a lot of hurdles that will have to be crossed to achieve what Dr.Antao has envisaged for Goa. Many competent and talented Engineers are at the helm, but the process of sanctioning and implementation is a rather arduous one. Months used to go by in obtaining monetary sanctions from the Government. Almost every file had to go right up to the Chief Minister's office! I think the present Chief Electrical Engineer, T.H.Rao is a very competent and efficient person. Then he used to be an Executive Engineer, having just returned from an overseas stint. With respect to manpower and equipment, there are many things that are not in order. I think that there are more clerical folks than technical! Prior to Goa's becoming a State, DGSD used to be the agency that acquired equipment for the Electricity
[Goanet]Goa's Electricity Woes --
Goas Electricity Woes by Brian Antao, Ph.D Goa claims to be having a surplus in Electric power that it is selling to other states at a good margin of profit. Yet people in the state face poor quality of electric service, in the form of frequent power outages, inadequate load handling capacity for even simple household items such as the TV and the refrigerator. So while the residents of the state are starved of good electric power supply, is it right and justified to engage in trading electric power to other states? When the so-called surplus could be better utilized to improve the quality of electric power supply to residents within the state? What is being done with all the profits generated through the surplus power trading? And why is the profit not re-invested back into further upgrading Goas electricity infrastructure? Electric power generation is only one part of the equation, efficient transmission and distribution is a more critical part. A lot of electric power gets dissipated and lost due to a defective and faulty distribution and transmission system, of the type that is in place in Goa. A Chief Engineer of Goa Electricity Department has recently mentioned that providing un-interruptible power supply in Goa is a formidable task, involving large investment to improve the infrastructure. When high-ranking officers and government officials in the Goa Electricity department have such a defeatist attitude, one does not expect the state-of-the affairs to improve much. One would hope instead for a more Can-do and Will-do attitude. The proposed solution of sub-stations fitted with three feeder lines etc. is not quite an elegant technology. A government official when commissioning a new power appendage in Margao claimed that electric power was provided to the people at a low cost of Re. 1 per unit and they should not expect un-interruptible power supply at the low cost. This is really the kind of hubris that prevails, where a sense of Civic-duty and Good Customer Service are thrown out of the back door and instead the customer is held at a ransom. This is the same kind of ransom behavior that was prevalent in the then only government owned telephone services that operated in the most despotic manner providing substandard service; where phone connections were a right of only the privileged and the common man had to wait for 5-10 years to get a new phone connection. And see how that despotic phone regime has turned around. Fortunately with the government opening the mobile phone sector to private sector, one sees the many fruits of competitive markets: 1.The government owned telecommunications services have been forced to improve and be competitive and keep costs down. 2.The people have the alternative to easily and as many as they want mobile phone connections and services from a range of private service providers. What we also need to see in the near future is the entry of private sector electricity service providers, where the people dont have to be held hostage by the arrogant governmental electricity departments. Only then perhaps the state owned electricity services, like their telephone and communications counterparts will be forced to improve their services and be more competitive and provide better Customer Service. And yes make it very possible to provide uninterruptible power at the same rate of Re. 1 per unit! The real problem facing Goas electricity infrastructure is that it is an antiquated one, and whatever additions being slapped on in a haphazard way are in the form of applying bandages. The solution to the problem is Modernizing the infrastructure at a grass-roots level, and yes indeed it will require some bit of investment, but the dividends of this investment will be very high providing a quantum leap in the quality of service as well as improve the longevity of the infrastructure. Having a revamped and modernized infrastructure would also have an added bonus of attracting more industrial development in the state. Supposedly projects have already been approved to implement a new under-ground transmission network in the cities of Panjim and Margao, and it is important that this development be done in a manner which improves the quality of service and is not just a mere replacement of over-head wiring with under-ground cables. This is a good and opportune time to put into place a modern transmission and distribution system in these two cities coupling it with the under-ground cabling projects and ensuring that the power distribution is adequate and uninterrupted. There are many Indian subsidiaries of Global leaders in the power sector, Multi-National Corporations (MNCs) such as ABB, Toshiba, Mitsubishi Heavy Electric, Alstom Power, Siemens Power etc. That have the latest power transmission and distribution technology that utilizes state-of-the-art computer controlled techniques. The Goa Electricity
[Goanet]Job Openings in the UK for Medical Sales specialists
Hello, Boehringer Ingelheim Ltd UK. a leading European Pharma Company has the following new positions open, announced recently: Vacancy details Job title: HIV Specialists Job ref 000380 Job description Due to recent head count approval we now have a vacancy for three HIV Sales Specialist within the territories listed below. HIV is a fast moving dynamic disease area, and Viramune remains the market leader in the UK with sales in excess of 14 million. We will be launching a new class of antiretroviral in 2004 which will strengthen our franchise in HIV. There are also further exciting compounds in development within the area of Virology that are expected to come to market over the next 5 years. 1 North West. This includes Greater Manchester, Lancashire, Wirral, Cheshire. This territory includes the largest HIV Unit outside of London (North Manchester General). The territory currently has sales of Viramune of approximately 1 million. 2 M4 Corridor. This would stretch from Bristol in the West to London in the East. The territory may not go into central London, but certainly beyond M25. This territory currently has sales of Viramune of approximately 1 million. 3 M1/M40 Corridor into central London. This would Include Oxfordshire, Buckinghamshire, South Hertfordshire, and part of central London. This territory currently has sales of approximately 3 million, including the largest HIV Unit in the UK with sales in excess of 1 million. There may be a degree of flexibility with the boundaries between territories 2 and 3, to allow for where candidates may live. Skills required -Degree level or equivalent -Ideally have a Clean driving licence -At least 1 - 2 years sales experience within the pharmaceutical industry or selling experience or directly related medical experience. -Understanding of ABPI Code of Practice Adherence to the ABPI Code of Practice -IT literate (MS Office PowerPoint, Excel and Word) -Acceptance of ABPI exam process(where not taken) -Demonstrates understanding of the HSE Role. -Have the following skills : Excellent interpersonal skills Team working Organisational/Planning Ability to take on Technical knowledge -- Town/city Across S NW England Region National Country United Kingdom -- Job type Permanent Hours Full-Time Salary Recruiting Range up to 40,200 Application deadline 06/05/04 Start date ASAP For further details see the web link at: http://www.bijobs.co.uk/viewvacancies.cfm?ID=54819 Good Luck ! -- Brian Antao __ New! Unlimited Netscape Internet Service. Only $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Act now to get a personalized email address! Netscape. Just the Net You Need. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]Information on the deSouza Trust Scholarship
Hello, The De Souza Trust, Goa Scholarship 2004 has been announced which is a scholarship for students of Goan origin to pursue a study program in the UK coming from the charitable trust funds of Mr. Diego Frank De Souza. And are administered through the British Council offices. The contact person is [EMAIL PROTECTED] More details on the scholarship see the Web link at: http://www1.britishcouncil.org/desouza-scholarship-details.jpg Good Luck ! Brian Antao __ New! Unlimited Netscape Internet Service. Only $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Act now to get a personalized email address! Netscape. Just the Net You Need. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
[Goanet]The Language Issue In Goa
The Language Issue In Goa By Brian Antao, Ph.D. In the recent days there have been many sporadic attempts to ferment communal tensions in the otherwise closely knit secular Goa. The latest in these attempts is the furor raised on the unilateral demands that Marathi be simply imposed as the official language over the entire populace of Goa. Undoubtedly these demands are made by the same cross section of the people living in Goa, (one would hesitate to call then true Goans) who voted for Goa to be merged with Maharashtra, prior to statehood. The demand for making Marathi as the official language of Goa is as outlandish as the perhaps equally large cross section of the Portuguese speaking populace demanding that Portuguese be made the official language of Goa. The point is that both these languages are alien languages to the native land of Goa, brought to the state by cross-border migration and early colonization. With Marathi being the official language of the neighboring state of Maharashtra. In addition one forgets that English is perhaps as popular in use as a business language across the state, particularly with Goa being a major tourism destination catering to a large section of foreign tourists, for whom an imposed local language would impose great barriers in communication. One often finds this problem with people who take a fanatic stand and fail to take into account the greater issues of pragmatism. There really is no contest with the true indigenous language of Goa, which is Konkani. Goa has a unique identity for itself, and this unique identity can only be further strengthened by making Konkani, a unique language in itself, as the official language of Goa. These authoritarian demands for imposing Marathi as the official language of Goa, could also be seen as the disgruntled faction living in Goa that wanted the merger with Maharashtra, still harboring delusions of the merger, by making these back-door replications and a Marathawadi transformation of the unique identity of Goa. This radical Marathi faction is always welcome to migrate back to Maharashtra where perhaps they would feel more at home with an official language already in place of their desire. __ New! Unlimited Netscape Internet Service. Only $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Act now to get a personalized email address! Netscape. Just the Net You Need. ## # Send submissions for Goanet to [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # PLEASE remember to stay on-topic (related to Goa), and avoid top-posts # # More details on Goanet at http://joingoanet.shorturl.com/ # # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ##
