Re: [Goanet] RE: POLICE FUNNYMEN !

2006-06-23 Thread sonia gomes

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Francis,

I agree with you, Kiran Bedi is a person who did a lot
of good work, Tihar jail is one of her best examples
But KPS Gill although infamous for that one incident,
cleaned Punjab of terrorist activities and allowed the
people to live in peace.

Just a little thought.

Sonia do Rosario Gomes
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 I wonder if we're not doing our guardians a great
 disservice
 here..just a few gadgets and some image
 processing??
 Sounds rather simplistic. Whilst western police
 forces have
 advanced considerably in their social standing as a
 career
 choice, Third World police jobs have plummeted
 economically.
 Western (US, EU, Can, AU) policemen average a
 monthly
 take-home pay of $5,000 - on par with a good govt.
 job or
 high-school teacher in the west (the 3 coveted job
 areas).
 
 Contrast this with our poor havaldars who earn under
 $100
 monthly, all the Pay Commissions notwithstanding.
 Actually
 most Third World (NE Europe, SE Asia, S. America 
 Africa)
 police forces are corrupt not because they 'want'
 to, but
 simply because they have to!! How do cops in these
 deprived
 nations (they all average $100 monthly) support a
 wife and
 kids, pay school fees, household expenses, etc on $
 3 a day, all
 the while whole families sharing 'dormitory' style
 accomodation
 in slum-like dingy barracks or 'police-lines'
 separated by no more
 than a torn curtain?! Do you wonder at their high
 suicide rates?
 
 What I can remark about India is that 'officers'
 higher up in the
 echelon are far better off than the ordinary
 havaldar, profiting
 themselves from an unprecedented 'hafta' system of
 unauthorised
 monthly deductions from their juniors, further
 worsening their
 plight. Look at the similarly crippled police forces
 in S. America and
 esp. Brazil as they battle the bikers, the
 vigilantes, the anti-police
 assasins. All horribly paid. At least Goan police
 vehicles function. In
 the Balkans, or even throughout Africa '911' simply
 doesn't exist
 as the police refuse to come saying their vehicles
 'have no fuel !'.
 
 Having said that, there is hope yet for our forces
 particularly after
 the advent of Kiran Bedi and Julio Ribeiro (of
 course wiping out the
 memory of that infamous KPS Gill!). The fault
 really, is ours, dog
 biscuits notwithstanding. The yearly budgetary
 allocations for the
 police are the worst in our central  state govts.
 It is the greedy
 politicians who are stealing from our police and not
 the police who
 give us poor service. Join Floriano in kicking out
 the rotten politicians
 and giving our police better pay. Then take our
 havaldars to task.
 
 With the prices of essentials doubling and tripling
 in Goa, raising police
 pay drastically is the need of the hour. Mind you,
 elsewhere it could
 be relative. A couple of years back, in Russia I
 spoke to the police-
 chief in Elista (capital of Kalmykia, not far from
 Chechnya) a gregarious
 individual sporting a gigantic handle-bar moustache.
 He was earning
 the princely sum monthly of 1,500 roubles, and
 living pretty decently
 in a depressed economy. But the rouble was
 exchanging at 30 roubles
 to the dollar, which meant his monthly pay-check was
 the equivalent
 of $ 50 ! Try living on that in the modern India (or
 Goa) of today !
 
 FR.
 ...
 Helga:
 I if wonder if the officer cops of the IPS cadre do
 better?Why
 should our forensics not be at par withthe rest of
 the world?
 Its just a few gadgets and some image processing -
 a piece of
 cake for our IT dudes. What is not is getting these
 hawaldars
 to not put half of the money for equipment in their
 pockets so they can 
 have a constant supply of batatwadas which I guess
 is the Indian equivalent 
 of donoughts/donuts?
 
 Elisabeth:
 Come on chaps, get with it. What about sketch
 artists?
 What about fingerprints? 

Re: [Goanet] RE: POLICE FUNNYMEN !

2006-06-22 Thread HELGA GOMES

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Good point  Francis. Our halwaldars are very poorly paid while some of the
IPS types enjoy the bribes and the bungalows. But whether its because of
their highly stressed but poorly paid jobs or just because -  some of them
are very cruel  and inhumane to the most helpless of them all - the street
kids, beggars and prostitutes. One incidence that comes to mind is the
little street kid that was crushed under the wheels of the police van at the
Margao police station. My experience with cops in Goa have all been severely
unpleasant. How about yours? Most of us were poorly paid in Goa -I was too.
But some government workers seem to take incivility, rudeness and
callousness to a higher level. Barring one gentleman from the Goa Civil
Service in the Mamlatdar's office in Margao I cant remember anyone with
least bit of courtesy or professionalism and believe me I have been to
plenty of offices and I still haunt those dusty corridors.
As for my comment ..just a few gadgets and some image processing? it
was not to minimize the entire police force of India. It was in response to
Elisabeth's
If you can't manage to get a team trained in forensics, I suggest you rent
the enter season of CSI, available on DVD and make your short-pant clad
Hawaldars watch it . To clarify I meant that we dont need any high
technology from foreign countries or 'training' from our pedestrian American
TV - we have plenty of technology (chromatography,  etc), great technicians
and fine programmers who can set up data bases and develop sophisticated
imaging software but unfortunately we also have corruption.
Also I am sure Elisabeth was kidding with her CSI reference.
Helga

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I wonder if we're not doing our guardians a great disservice
here..just a few gadgets and some image processing??
Sounds rather simplistic.


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